4 degrees of camber

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Maybe I didn't follow things as closely as some others, but Pirelli's words never seemed all that strong.

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Why would they need to be strong?

We cannot guarantee the physical integrity of the tyres if you run a camber over 4 degrees. What else do they need to say?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

They would not have been allowed to use them though, would they - being limited to a certain amount of tyres for the entire weekend?

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I dunno about that. I've read Adam Cooper's excellent article on this on Autosport and it seems that there had been an agreement between all the teams that Pirelli should bring in the extra tyres to cover any problems, I presume they would have had dispensation from the FIA in that case.

His other points were that all teams were informed prior to Spa that 4 degrees was the maximum recommendation.

After quali Pirelli inspected all the tyres and found RBRs had worn beyond what was expected and safe. Pirelli weren't told that RBR were running beyond the recommended camber of 4 degrees and therefore assumed the problem was with the tyres themselves, hence the talk about bringing extra tyres. Once Pirelli found out they told RBR that excess wear was their problem not Pirelli's.

RBR and McLaren lobbied Charlie Whiting for fresh tyres without getting a penalty (McLaren ran theirs at 4 degrees) who was about to give them dispensation, until the other teams who were running at 3 degrees pointed out that this was unfair. Thats why RBR were told they could go as they were or change setup and start from the pitlane.

In other words RBR initially suggested that excess tyre wear and blistering was because the tyres were inherently unsafe. Once it was revealed that they were outside Pirelli's setup recommendations they tried to have their tyres changed without penalty. I find it difficult to have sympathy with RBR's position.

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Originally Posted by Malbec

I dunno about that. I've read Adam Cooper's excellent article on this on Autosport and it seems that there had been an agreement between all the teams that Pirelli should bring in the extra tyres to cover any problems, I presume they would have had dispensation from the FIA in that case.

His other points were that all teams were informed prior to Spa that 4 degrees was the maximum recommendation.

After quali Pirelli inspected all the tyres and found RBRs had worn beyond what was expected and safe. Pirelli weren't told that RBR were running beyond the recommended camber of 4 degrees and therefore assumed the problem was with the tyres themselves, hence the talk about bringing extra tyres. Once Pirelli found out they told RBR that excess wear was their problem not Pirelli's.

RBR and McLaren lobbied Charlie Whiting for fresh tyres without getting a penalty (McLaren ran theirs at 4 degrees) who was about to give them dispensation, until the other teams who were running at 3 degrees pointed out that this was unfair. Thats why RBR were told they could go as they were or change setup and start from the pitlane.

In other words RBR initially suggested that excess tyre wear and blistering was because the tyres were inherently unsafe. Once it was revealed that they were outside Pirelli's setup recommendations they tried to have their tyres changed without penalty. I find it difficult to have sympathy with RBR's position.

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Well, that makes things less cloudy. So Pirelli stated 4 degrees was the max recommended camber at the start of the weekend then?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Well, that makes things less cloudy. So Pirelli stated 4 degrees was the max recommended camber at the start of the weekend then?

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No, not at the start but from before the weekend. Most teams played safe and went for about 3 degrees

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Originally Posted by Malbec

In other words RBR initially suggested that excess tyre wear and blistering was because the tyres were inherently unsafe. Once it was revealed that they were outside Pirelli's setup recommendations they tried to have their tyres changed without penalty. I find it difficult to have sympathy with RBR's position.

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I don't think anyone has said they sympathise with RBR?

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

The reason this happened was because RBR were stupid.

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Mclaren's tires were blistering, too, and RBR finished 1-2. So if RBR is stupid, what does that make mclaren?

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Originally Posted by vhatever

Mclaren's tires were blistering, too, and RBR finished 1-2. So if RBR is stupid, what does that make mclaren?

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All the tyres were blistering on the shoulder - this is down to the softer compounds of the Pirelli's and the specific loads on the tyre's shoulders on the run between Eau Rouge and the next corner. Specifically, it is the length of the straight and the speed attained (exaserbated by the additional speed afforded by both KERS and DRS) that creates the heat on the shoulder and causes the rubber to erupt.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I must admit I don't fully understand how camber works. This is your chance big man to explain and shine. If you can explain it in simple terms I'd be grateful. :)

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maybe later. he's doing his homework now. damn school!

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Originally Posted by vhatever

Mclaren's tires were blistering, too, and RBR finished 1-2. So if RBR is stupid, what does that make mclaren?

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They're all smart people. You're not however.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

All the tyres were blistering on the shoulder - this is down to the softer compounds of the Pirelli's and the specific loads on the tyre's shoulders on the run between Eau Rouge and the next corner. Specifically, it is the length of the straight and the speed attained (exaserbated by the additional speed afforded by both KERS and DRS) that creates the heat on the shoulder and causes the rubber to erupt.

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Exactly, and because all the tyres were doing it, we can't really say for sure whether RBR's tyres were actually that bad compared to others