why no penalty for Hamilton?

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Originally Posted by henners88

I've become increasingly tired of your posts lately Daniel and I used to have a laugh with you on here which I'm finding hard to do these days. If its not telling people their opinions are stupid, its attacking groups of posters who don't agree with you. Not my problem anymore.

Is a group of Lewis fans defending their favourite driver any different to someone like you who finds fault with everything he does whether its good or not? I'm yet to see you give any worthy credit without undermining it with a dig to be honest. I find you sit on a threads and disagree with the majority simply for effect, and fools like me bite like I did in your highly hypocritical 'anti-trolling thread' which was silly in hindsight.

Night night everyone.

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Henners accuses Daniel of trolling - OK
Daniel accuses someone else of trolling - not OK

Sorry Henners, but I'm not disagreeing for the sake of it, you can go back early to the start of this thread and see that I didn't think the incident was a huge deal, but as usual the anti-anti-Lewis cavalry came along and tried to paint him as a saint and I'm sorry, but that's just not true.

I finally dloaded the race to re-watch this incident and it really saddens me to say this, but I think the majority of IRL drivers seem to have more common sense then our Lewis Hamilton does. After re watching the replay, the smart thing to do was move forward enough to get that Macs arse end off the racing line while facing incoming traffic, and then wait for a safe moment to spin around, I've seen that done thousands of times, but that seems like a difficult concept for Lewis.

Now I`m still flip floppy on whether it was deserving of a penalty, but if the Stewards deemed it was dangerous enough for one, I would have preferred something a little harsher then a simple drive through. It also goes with my argument that F1 should have permanent stewards for the season, and they should have a larger selection of penalties to dish out.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Wow, what strong and extremely rude words......

Whilst I agree that in this case Lewis did not see di Resta and it was probably just a genuine mistake, why is it always Lewis that's getting involved in this incidents? You say he's a hard racer with a drivers instinct, I say that he's a quick driver who has had self belief drilled into him from a young age and he acts and because he acts he feels that the way he acts is correct. Personally I feel that other drivers would have looked rather than just assuming that everything was going to be OK.

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I don't know why it's always Lewis that gets involved in these incidents. Personally, I feel he's an easy target because he is so aggressive. If it were another driver I doubt as much noise would be made over it. I also feel that the Nurburgring was the first time all year where his head was in the correct place, the place where it should be every race. He has too much PR work to do for a guy that really has to go for the title. He is very marketable. This could be his undoing. For a driver to only get 2 days to train between any race is simply not good enough. I agree that Lewis has not been as impressive since his first year in F1 but he hasn't been far off either. The reason I believe for that is becuase he doesn't get the time to train and put his head in the right place anymore, whereas in 2007 he was unknown and was simply able to concentrate on his preparation for each race. I'd love to know Lewis PR schedule Vs say Seb's. I'd imagine Lewis is much fuller and Seb gets a lot more preparation time. Michael Schumacher won 7 WDC's because he trained and concentrated on his driving. Yes, he had PR work but it was limited. Last year was an extremely strong year for Lewis. I felt it was the best he drove since 2007. I also feel how well he drove in 2009 with the heap of crap car he had is overlooked too often myself. To summarise, 2007 was probably his best year alright but 2008, 2009 and 2010 were pretty damn good and I doubt many other drivers on the grid could have won two races in the 2009 McLaren.

Regards Hungary, yes, he should not have spun his car around where he was. Was it a punishable incident? Yes. Is it deserving of a harsher sentence than a drive through? No. You and I both agree on that from what I can tell though.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

My favourite driver is Jacques , so I am not so sure what you mean by my not liking drivers to speak out .

I am also not sure why you are saying that I want him banned for a race . I suggested nothing of the sort .

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Ok, well then to quote yourself, you wrote: "Driving into traffic , expecting them to react should be punished with far more than a drive-through ." What would you expect he be punished with?

He had a few seconds to think about the move, a very long time in F1, and pulled it on.

Wrong Lewis.

Lewis Hamilton looks forward to break | Formula 1 | Formula 1 news, live F1 | ESPN F1

Just as I wrote about Lewis head being in the correct place, here is an article where he says he looks forward to getting his head in the right place over the winter break.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

why is it always Lewis that's getting involved in this incidents?

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He's clearly not alone in "getting involved" in incidents.
Formula*1 Penalties - Viva F1

Rubens Barrichello, Fernando Alonso, Sergio Perez, Paul di Resta, Michael Schumacher and Sebastian Buemi have all been penalised for causing collisions so far this year.

I do think that 1) Hamilton is singled out by some for excessive criticism and 2) drivers generally are being penalised for comparatively inoccuous incidents. If we want to see drivers race then we have to accept that sometimes there may be unintentional contact. Clearly where there is intent action should be taken.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

He's clearly not alone in "getting involved" in incidents.
Formula 1 Penalties - Viva F1

Rubens Barrichello, Fernando Alonso, Sergio Perez, Paul di Resta, Michael Schumacher and Sebastian Buemi have all been penalised for causing collisions so far this year.

I do think that 1) Hamilton is singled out by some for excessive criticism and 2) drivers generally are being penalised for comparatively inoccuous incidents. If we want to see drivers race then we have to accept that sometimes there may be unintentional contact. Clearly where there is intent action should be taken.

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He is being singled out because he is racing at the front. The truth is if Trulli or Glock did this neither of us would be in any way bothered about it. As Schumacher and Senna said, if you look back through the entire field you'll see other incidents, it's just because we're racing at the front that people make it a talking point.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

He is being singled out because he is racing at the front. The truth is if Trulli or Glock did this neither of us would be in any way bothered about it. As Schumacher and Senna said, if you look back through the entire field you'll see other incidents, it's just because we're racing at the front that people make it a talking point.

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Speaking for myself here, this doesn't apply whatsoever. Since I don't wholly support or hate any driver/team, you won't see me doing the bashing around here. However, if some driver does something that I feel is out of order, I'll vent my views and that doesn't matter if it's Hamilton or if it's D'Ambrosio. I feel strongly that Lewis' move was out of order but if this forum could be filtered from all of the constant bashers and whiners, we might actually have a decent discussion for one. Not ones that end up as slagging matches and result in paranoia amongst some members. Otherwise, I'm just thrown in with the 'basher' crowd because I think he was a bad boy this time out.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

He's clearly not alone in "getting involved" in incidents.
Formula*1 Penalties - Viva F1

Rubens Barrichello, Fernando Alonso, Sergio Perez, Paul di Resta, Michael Schumacher and Sebastian Buemi have all been penalised for causing collisions so far this year.

I do think that 1) Hamilton is singled out by some for excessive criticism and 2) drivers generally are being penalised for comparatively inoccuous incidents. If we want to see drivers race then we have to accept that sometimes there may be unintentional contact. Clearly where there is intent action should be taken.

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Also, if you take a look at that list, his only two big ones are at Monaco and Hungary, notoriously tight circuits with next to no room for error. Malaysia was him and Alonso having brain farts. So, then that's "TWO" races out of 11 this season so far where he was "dangerous", and some haters (I find this to be the appropriate tag) are having seizures asking for his head.

Vettel in 2010 made one of the biggest bonehead move of the decade at Turkey 2010, and then almost took Webber out again at Silverstone and banged into Lewis, and then finally took Button out with an equally idiotic move at Spa, Belgium GP. Yet, I didn't see so many haters jump on the bandwagon asking for race bans. Why this much acid for Lewis?

I think it's time for these haters to figure out what problem do they really have with Lewis. Do they hate him because he's actually a great driver, probably the best in the field right now, better than their favorite driver, they know it and they can't stand him because of that? Probably every time he makes a mistake, these people can't wait to gloat.

Or is it something else.... :dozey: