Great idea......if you want to drain F1 of any creativity.Quote:
Originally Posted by 93VTEC
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Great idea......if you want to drain F1 of any creativity.Quote:
Originally Posted by 93VTEC
So in your opinion, Ferrari and all the teams that were using 2006-spec front and rear wings were also wasting time on winter testing? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Let it be clear that mass dampers can also be used to measure the dynamic characteristics of a dynamic system, in this case suspension, chassis and tyres, and since only the last ones have changed (and AFAIK the construction it's the same but the compound is different), the mass-damper could be used to see which structural and aerodynamic characteristics would be required to obtain the same "attitude" of the car under braking and on the curves.
As for the floor, I guess if the floor was flexing under load, under 50 mm from the pavement I guess they were cheating, but unfortunately there's no way to prove that, so the FIA is right to change the measurement rules as they did when the tyre width scandal ran up and down the paddock in 2003. The rules have been clarified and will prevent that the spirit of the rule itself can be upheld.
Furthermore, the rules stand to level the field within a range of creativity, it is that range where engineers work, either taking it to the limit or "flexing" it. If the rules are strict and clear in every aspect of the car, there would be point in holding a Constructor's Championship.
That would be interest: the "objetive" determination of "clearly against the spirit of the rules". By definition, the "spirit" of the rules is not written, because otherwise it would be just "the rules". You cannot penalize for breaking "the spirit" of the rules. It just doesn't make sense. If the rules say that something is forbidden, then it is forbidden; otherwise, it is allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 93VTEC
I wonder why "autosport" is the only site, who has written this. And it'll be even more interesting if Ferrari are found not guilthy and their innovation does not break the book of the rules.
There was an article on f1live.com stating that McLaren protested 3 different Ferrari parts but the FIA cleared them all, I think I already posted a link in the "whiners" thread!Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Here it is: http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlin...27100350.shtml
Sorry, but I couldn't find where in this article is written your statement about FIA clearing anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
It's maybe the phrase?: "It is understood that Whiting, the FIA's technical delegate, declared the F2007 legal."
If it's this one, should be referring to an ancient past, as all we (should) know already Whiting has sent a letter to all teams informing them that detailed checks will be carried out on cars' underbodies during scrutineering on the Thursday of the upcoming Malaysian Grand Prix, and this tests will proceed with all devices (springs) removed.
So this phrase can't be the one where is stated "FIA cleared them all".
But I'm still looking for it; I'm sure it has to be written somewhere on this article, as you always back up what you post.
Well "declared legal the F2007" = "cleared them all" unless for some reason you don't accept it.Quote:
Originally Posted by andreag
For what it concerns it is about the fact that the FIA declared that bodywork legal for last race. They clearly could not clear it for the next race as they did not check yet the cars for the Malaysian GP.
As for the tests with all devices removed I can see plenty of team having troubles in their way as they all use some kind of device for their floors, not only Ferrari and BMW.
And I'm still looking to find what on earth is making you deliver personal attacks on me? Did I offend you in any way?Quote:
Originally Posted by andreag
The FIA have generally been leniant on Ferrari, so I wouldn't be surprised if they get away with anything. However if it's legal, then Ferrari shouldn't be punished - that goes without saying - they've outsmarted everyone....again! However if it's a 50/50 decision, you can bet your house that the FIA will sway towards Ferrari's 50!
What did Honda have a couple of years back that was bordering illegal? And was later banned? Or McLaren's 3rd pedal. Or Renaults damper system? Or Michelin? Now lets look at decisions which have gone against Ferrari...
The worst was when Ferrari had illegal cars in Malaysia 99. Points were docked from the drivers AND the team. Fair enough. However Ferrari appealed and it was later decided, only the team should have points taken away from them, as the drivers were not responsible, and it was out of their hands! If that was the case, why has every previous illegal car penalised the driver and the team? And since then, whenever the car has been found illegal, the driver too has always been punished, whether he could have prevented it or not. It seems like it was a one off decision in favour of Ferrari. The worst bit is McLaren had the same situation with DC 2 races after (though in a new season), where he was disqualified from 2nd place, even thought the car was legal to start the race, but ended up illegal (the floor board had rubbed off against the bumps). McLaren put in the same arguement as Ferrari, accepting the team should be punished, but not DC - the FIA said no.
As for expecting Ioan to back up everything he says, I think is slightly inaccurate from my experiences. Maybe it's time Ioan changed his sig to something a bit more truthful :)
This isn't true there were other cases when the constructors points were lost but the driver kept his points, I wish I could tell you from the top of my head those occasions, but I remember this happened at least to Hakkinen once (maybe someone has a better memory than I and can clear this).Quote:
Originally Posted by raphael123
Glad you put that in Ioan. Thats Mclaren's way of definately getting such a system banned......Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan