Osama Bin Laden Is Dead

hey, if pakistani's knew where bin laden was hiding , what was stopping them from storming his compound and killing him :?: ...afterall, the military camp is 500m or so away only....It's really unrealistic to assume that the Pakistan Government / Military didn't know where Osama was hiding. Afterall , Osama is probably one of the most famous person whose photo even a 7-8 yr old person would recognize.

It's clearly impossible for a guy to stay in a city , 500m from a army camp , and not be taken in, unless there was grassroots support in the first place.

quoting from here
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mor...-1226048821726

"PAKISTAN was not informed of the daring midnight raid on the terror leader's compound – a raid which nearly went wrong in the first seconds after touchdown."

Mr Brennan said the US was in discussions with Pakistani officials about how Bin Laden could have survived in the compound for five years, but he said after the US briefed them on the raid they seemed "surprised" that Bin Laden was living under their noses.

"People are referring to this as 'hiding in plain sight'. Clearly this was something that was considered as a possibility. Pakistan’s a large country. We are working right now at (finding out) how he was able to hold out there for so long and whether or not there was any kind of support system within Pakistan that allowed him to stay there.

"We know that the people in the compound there were working on his behalf and that’s how we ultimately found our way to the compound.

"I think it’s inconceivable that Bin Laden did not have a support system in the country that allowed him to remain there for an extended period of time. I’m not going to speculate on what kind of support he might have had on an official basis, inside Pakistan."

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Originally Posted by harsha

hey, if pakistani's knew where bin laden was hiding , what was stopping them from storming his compound and killing him :?: ...afterall, the military camp is 500m or so away only....It's really unrealistic to assume that the Pakistan Government / Military didn't know where Osama was hiding. Afterall , Osama is probably one of the most famous person whose photo even a 7-8 yr old person would recognize.

It's clearly impossible for a guy to stay in a city , 500m from a army camp , and not be taken in, unless there was grassroots support in the first place.

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"Pakistan probably has great fears about reaction if they were" known to be" involved in the execution of bin Laden."

Osama Bin Diein

Courtesy of some of my cities most elite.

Good riddance you piece of cowardly trash.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I would respectfully suggest to you that perhaps the people on the streets celebrating are not representative of the Western people as a whole.

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Yeah, for sure and I completely agree with you. Still it was quite strange to see people on the streets and happy about it, problably because OBL was served to the larger population as the biggest monster of our era (remember Saddam?). Also do not understand the mission in Afghanistan as those people over there will never accept or be happy about western democracy that they have beeing forced to accept at the very moment. I know some of the people who have been serving in Afghanistan and quite frankly, they do not understand why the troops are still there. Iraq was/is all about oil money .... actually .... these missions are all about money or to gain profit and nothing else

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Originally Posted by cali

Yeah, for sure and I completely agree with you. Still it was quite strange to see people on the streets and happy about it, problably because OBL was served to the larger population as the biggest monster of our era (remember Saddam?). Also do not understand the mission in Afghanistan as those people over there will never accept or be happy about western democracy that they have beeing forced to accept at the very moment. I know some of the people who have been serving in Afghanistan and quite frankly, they do not understand why the troops are still there. Iraq wasis all about oil money .... actually .... these missions are all about money or to gain profit and nothing else

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I agree with you on Iraq, but not on Afghanistan. I always felt that the war on terror started in Afghanistan and was placed on the back-burner in order to stabilise the situation in Iraq. If America decides to leave now there will be nothing but bloodshed, and those terror cells will come right back, so basically taking away all that progress already accomplished.

The twin towers fell, and Al-Qaeda should too.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

I agree with you on Iraq, but not on Afghanistan. I always felt that the war on terror started in Afghanistan and was placed on the back-burner in order to stabilise the situation in Iraq. If America decides to leave now there will be nothing but bloodshed, and those terror cells will come right back, so basically taking away all that progress already accomplished.

The twin towers fell, and Al-Qaeda should too.

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Dunno about terror cells, but bloodsheding is still going on there every day ... If you think that allied forces have achieved somekind of order, then think again :)

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Please give me a net link to their deliberate attacks on civilians not connected to a war in progress-- if it is on the net it has to be true..

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"The United States invasion of Panama was launched on December 20, 1989. Losses on the U.S. side were 24 troops, plus 3 civilian casualties. Statistics of the number of Panamanian civilian deaths remain disputed; the New York Times and Newsweek magazine reported between 202 and 220.[citation needed] The conflict also caused some considerable internal displacement, with 20,000 to 30,000 having been rendered homeless.[citation needed]

On December 29, the General Assembly of the United Nations voted 75–20 with 40 abstentions to condemn the invasion as a flagrant violation of international law.[19][20] According to a CBS poll, 92% of Panamanian adults supported the U.S. incursion, and 76% wished that U.S. forces had invaded in October during the coup.[21] However, others dispute this finding, claiming that the Panamanian surveys were completed in wealthy, English-speaking neighborhoods in Panama City, among Panamanians most likely to support US actions"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Noriega

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Originally Posted by Eki

They've been showing celebrating Americans on TV today. That reminded me of the celebrating Palestinians after the 9/11 attacks. Both equally petty and distasteful IMO. Death of human beings isn't a cause for celebration (nor is death of animals).

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I did think that initially, but then I thought again. I think the celebrations are more akin to the likes of which we saw after the end of WW2 (or perhaps other victorious wars?) in that people are celebrating the defeat of the enemy, not just the death of the individual. However such celebrations are of course, premature.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

I think that some of us are only too aware if what we're facing.
Do you include the groups responsible for the Madrid railway attacks, the two sets of Bali bombings, the Marriott Hotel bombing in Islamabad as being "inspired" by or having connections to al-Qaeda?

The problem is that the monster's head has been cut off but it would appear that the monster we're dealing with is actually a Hydra. Cut off one head and the beast still has many others.

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While the threat remains I do think they are a lot weaker though not because OBL has been killed. AQ just aren't as popular as they once were and aren't drawing the same kind of money they used to.

Like many revolutionary ideals their philosophies were so much more attractive to Muslims when they remained abstract. Faced with the reality of AQ tactics including killing as many innocent (and mainly Muslim) bystanders as possible as well as the utter failure of AQ to provide any positive model for development in places they did rule even for a short while, the Muslim world just turned their backs on them. Without that base of support they were doomed.

I'm sure they'll remain an irritant for a long while but I don't think they'll ever be the threat we thought they were.