If the power level stays above 700hp then I don't care what engine they use. I just don't want the power of F1 to fall down to the 650hp they have been talking about.
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If the power level stays above 700hp then I don't care what engine they use. I just don't want the power of F1 to fall down to the 650hp they have been talking about.
Interesting points. However, Haug is still against 4 cyl engines in F1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
"Mercedes’ opinion is based on the fact that they have the most powerful engine on the F1 starting grid, as this tactical advantage might disappear once the new engines occur."
http://www.mibz.com/28586-ferrari-f1...-pathetic.html
Of course it is also true that nowdays 6 or 8 cylinder engines are not as bad as those used in the 70s or 80s. For that matter a 6 cylinder engine at times may be more gas efficient than a 4 cylinder engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Besides that, I hardly believe we should see F1, or for that matter any motor racing sport, from an enviromental friendly perspective. That's not the nature of motor racing. Not to mention that over the years the F1 engines have become cleaner and more reliable without compromising the original nature of the sport.
F1 has always been about high technology and high speeds.
And again, as I asked earlier, how low are we willing to go, with these cylinders? Are we going to see cars powered with one cylinder engines? If the environment and the oil consumption should be our focus, would not a one cylinder engine be more environmently friendly than a four cyl engine?
Let's also remember, as I mentioned, all the testing limitations, reduction of engines available to a team, etc, etc. All rules that I am sure are having a positive inpact on the environment.
Indeed, but your average Jo Public does not want to pay a fortune every 4 weeks for an engine rebuild...Quote:
Originally Posted by mstillhere
....and this is where F1 needs to allign itself more for road car relevance, and the transfer of technology.
More efficiency = more speed. If they limited fuel usage the engineers would be compelled to develop more environmentally friendly and economical solutions, because they'd also be faster. No need to mandate KERS or 4-pots, because they'd get used anyway, or the engineers would come up with something even more beneficial.
The FIA (or whichever "working group" is responsible for framing the rules), by setting these restrictions in the rules (e.g. on KERS boost usage, engine architecture and so on) are actually holding back the progress of these technologies, not promoting them. Am I right in remembering that McLaren developed a form of energy recovery some time ago, only to see it promptly banned before it could race?
I think that all this eco-friendly f1 is nothing more than a PR thing. There's nothing ecological about f1 even if they build 0 emission cars. I wonder just what is the proportion between the emissions of everything involved in organizing f1 compared to the actual emissions of f1 cars or the fuel consumed to carry everything and everyone from one country to another or from one continent to another compared to the fuel consumed to drive those cars around the track.
In the future we will see electric cars powered by hydrogen cells in F1, as well as everywhere else. You may or may not like it but that's where we're eventually going and that's exactly the right thing to do if we think more than a few years ahead in time.
I'd recommend enjoying these 4 cyl petrol engines while you can, it's just a small step in the current direction of motor industry and it won't be the last by a longshot.
You can dream about bigger petrol engines all you want but it will never ever happen again so I kind of fail to see the point.
PR thing? How many times does it have to be said in this thread that no, the emission level of a single F1 race is not the issue; the issue is being one step ahead of technology and push it forward and yes, also to be seen as "green" from the outside, not to draw more fans but to show a modern and relevant mindset that's sustainable.
I'd say you enjoy petrol cars while you can instead of bitch and moaning about them being downsized, because in a decade there will be electric cars with hydrogen cells running. Which I'm looking forward to.
(I do agree that the tight regulations does nothing but hinder progress though, I would love to see something like limited fuel for the weekend and then let the teams solve it in whatever way they can.)
The carbon footprint is indeed huge, but then, look at the carbon emissions of having the luxury produce we all love in our supermarkets every day - flown in from every corner of the earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
As I understand it, the FIA has, for some years now, offset the estimated or calculated CO2 emissions associated with F1.
Me too, but how to extract the Hydrogen without the need to use disproportunate amounts of fossil fuels? And we know what burning fossil fuels create, don't we? Catch 22.....Quote:
Originally Posted by maxter
Honda are working on this on their 'hydrogen island', using hydroelectric power to extract the hydrogen. Not everyone has an island handy though, do they.......?