Wikileaks

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Originally Posted by Ghostwalker

What people are in danger?



Mr Assange? yes most certainly. Especially since high politicians in Canada and USA wants to see him dead. Several politicians have siad that Julian Assange should be executed.

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And what is wrong with the above. He should be popped. Sooner the world starts doing this the sooner this crap will stop. So if you can stand the consequences then go ahead. The private in custody should be waterboarded until we are comfortable he had no accomplice. Freedom does not mean the right to act illegally and get away with it.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

And what is wrong with the above. He should be popped. Sooner the world starts doing this the sooner this crap will stop. So if you can stand the consequences then go ahead. The private in custody should be waterboarded until we are comfortable he had no accomplice. Freedom does not mean the right to act illegally and get away with it.

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I'd bet that's what Stalin, Hitler, Saddam et al thought too.

hey EKI those are all you buddies

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Originally Posted by Roamy

And what is wrong with the above. He should be popped. Sooner the world starts doing this the sooner this crap will stop. So if you can stand the consequences then go ahead. The private in custody should be waterboarded until we are comfortable he had no accomplice. Freedom does not mean the right to act illegally and get away with it.

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Can you specify what crimes JA and WL have commited.
becausde from what i understand WL is protected in the same way as media.

Its not crap, what is the crap is the s*it that the US cowardly forces are doing in Iraq. Killing innocent people for fun and then laughing at them?

The same governments that wants to "Liberate" Iraq, Afghanistan and impose free speech are now cowardly turning the west world in to a dictatorship where people who reveal corruption and war crimes are considered criminals. This have showed that the "land of the free and home of the brave" rather is the "Home of the un-free and land of the corrupted and paranoid". It is nothing different then what dictatorship countries like Nazi Germany, Stalin Soviet, China and Iran were/are doing.
People with information are "removed" because they are "uncomfortable" for the government because their hidden agendas (stealing oil and valuable minerals) might be revealed.

This whole incident has showed the need for someone to reveal the corruption and the filthy a**es of the worlds politicians.

then

http://www.lasisblog.com/2010/11/12/...tted-no-crime/

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But in the United States, generally publishing classified information is not a crime. The sort of information that a news organization can be prosecuted for publishing is limited to: nuclear secrets (Atomic Energy Act), the identities of covert agents (Intelligence Identities Protection Act), and certain forms of communications intelligence (Section 798 of the Espionage Act).
Perhaps lamenting that the U.S. does not have an Official Secrets Act like the United Kingdom, right wing columnists have consistently misinterpreted these Acts, or have cited other provisions of our espionage laws which almost surely do not apply to Wikileaks.
The most commonly cited statute by those who advocate prosecuting Wikileaks is Section 793(e) of the Espionage Act. In August, former Bush speechwriter Marc Theissen linked to this section in an article for the Washington Post when he wrote that Wikileaks is “a criminal enterprise” whose founder, Julian Assange, should be arrested by U.S. forces on foreign soil, international law be damned.
But this provision does not apply to those who publish information.
Section 793(e)reads “Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document…relating to the national defense…willfully communicates… the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it…[s]hall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.”
As made clear in the Pentagon Papers case, the word “communicates” was never meant “to encompass publication” or to affect the press. Congress included the word “publish” in three other sections of the Act but intentionally left it out of 793. As the legislative history of this provision states, “Nothing in this Act shall…in any way to limit or infringe upon freedom of the press or of speech as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States.”
Justice Douglas referenced the legislative history in his concurring opinion, when he wrote of Section 793, “it is apparent that Congress was capable of, and did, distinguish between publishing and communication in the various sections of the Espionage Act.”

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Since WL is juridically considered press a prosecution of it and JA would means that they are violating the same law they say they protect.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

hey EKI those are all you buddies

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So? You're my buddy too.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

When it puts people in danger for some self proclaimed "noble" goal, that is when I get pi$$ed....

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There are occasions when principles have to take priority over a few lives, I know it sounds macabre but that's how the society obtained it's freedom back in the 18th and 19th centuries.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Eki's points are valid, except again for the reality that he always defends people who despise his way of life, his right to speak his mind and have no respect for the values HE holds dear. That has always made me scratch my head....

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I can understand Eki, and what he does is simply respect the ones who are and/or think different.

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Originally Posted by Ghostwalker

What people are in danger?

The people in USA? yes because of their politicians behaviour but not because of leaked information about the abysmal behaviour of US/nato forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Mr Assange? yes most certainly. Especially since high politicians in Canada and USA wants to see him dead. Several politicians have siad that Julian Assange should be executed.

Reactions like we've seen from US, Canada, Australia and the USA's 51st state Sweden is because they are afraid that the their lies and frauds will be revealed, they are afraid that they cannot "control" the information (=propaganda). The politicians are afraid that their corruption will be brought to surface.

The same people that excuses the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan with "we are there to convert them to "democracies" (=puppet states) are now attacking the right of free speech just because it might harm their credibility.

Imo its the obligation of people to reveal crimes committed by politicians and military forces. Just because they are politicians doesn't mean that they are untouchable.

And finally as i wrote in one of my previous posts. According to US laws Julian Assange and WL have not done anything illegal by publishing the leaked information.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Assange is a leech on the freedoms he proposes to protect. He isn't releasing anything in this last release that is anything but embarassing but much ado really about nothing. That said, he is a slime ball of the first order, because his noterity and high minded rhetoric is built on people who are either misguided or just criminal themselves giving him information. I don't see him as noble at all....and what is more, if he had such dirt on the slime balls who run many other countries such as China, Russia or wherever, he would be worm food by now. It is why he picks on the West...because he knows THEY have laws and due process.

He is a coward...pure and simple.

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How can you call coward someone who's got the balls to take on this world's superpowers?! Isn't that a clear case of contradiction? Just asking.

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Originally Posted by ioan

I can understand Eki, and what he does is simply respect the ones who are and/or think different.

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Exactly. Dissidents aren't only in communist dictatorships.

The Chinese political prisoner (what's his face?) got the Nobel Peace Prize this year and China is pissed off. Maybe some year Assagne and the Wikileaks gets the Nobel Peace Prize and the US will be pissed off.