Big thumbs up for the US

Ignoring them will not make them stop or go away. If anything, it will increase their ranks. There's nothing like success to boost membership. They don't need a central figure. The rank and file will have an AK and anything they want on demand. Do you think after having that sort of personal power they are going to return to goat herding again?

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Originally Posted by airshifter

You might want to read up on Yamamoto, and his studies in the US. It's not as if the US has isolated itself from other cultures over the years. I'd venture to bet that the US government employs more various cultural experts from other countries than any other nation, including those employed in their military joint commands.

I would say that they should have listened to the man they best trusted to execute Pearl Harbor, who told them they were heading in a direction they likely would not return from.

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Nicely put. That was the point I was trying to make. Once you're stumbling on your back foot, it's rather naive (and kind of late in the game) to think that your opponent is going to take time out to further study your culture... especially when he can smell victory at that point. If anything, they made a serious error in not better understanding our culture BEFORE they attacked Pearl Harbor and killed thousands of Americans.

Another thing that I would say didn't help any plea for patience or using an alternate means to make them surrender (an invasion) was the American experience with Japanese suicide attacks. Well before the end of the war, the Japanese had gained a reputation as fierce warriors who preferred death over surrender. To them, surrender meant dishonor. Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees. While I greatly admire that way of thinking, I know that it also means that if you don't win, you are likely going to die. And if that was your philosophy in 1940, don't be crying the blues in 2010.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Nicely put. That was the point I was trying to make. Once you're stumbling on your back foot, it's rather naive (and kind of late in the game) to think that your opponent is going to take time out to further study your culture... especially when he can smell victory at that point. If anything, they made a serious error in not better understanding our culture BEFORE they attacked Pearl Harbor and killed thousands of Americans.

Another thing that I would say didn't help any plea for patience or using an alternate means to make them surrender (an invasion) was the American experience with Japanese suicide attacks. Well before the end of the war, the Japanese had gained a reputation as fierce warriors who preferred death over surrender. To them, surrender meant dishonor. Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees. While I greatly admire that way of thinking, I know that it also means that if you don't win, you are likely going to die. And if that was your philosophy in 1940, don't be crying the blues in 2010.

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Very well put foreward.

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Originally Posted by Eki

Exactly. The Muslim fighters don't have a living central figure like Hitler, Emperor Hirohito or the Pope. The only ones who really matter to them are Allah and Mohammed. You can't kill Allah and Mohammed is already dead, so what do you do.

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That depends whether one is Shia or Sunni.

Remember there is a dogma reason they kill each other.

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Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7

Ignoring them will not make them stop or go away. If anything, it will increase their ranks. There's nothing like success to boost membership. They don't need a central figure. The rank and file will have an AK and anything they want on demand. Do you think after having that sort of personal power they are going to return to goat herding again?

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No! I think they will go back to being poppy growing misogamists like they have been for the last 300 years. :dozey:
We have the technical expertise to observe them via satellite, and lob a cruise missile in every once in a while. Terrorism is nothing new; trying to beat it is a waste of time. Quit believing the bullsh!t propaganda machine and maybe address that question I posed to you about your racist comments on the drowning victims in Louisiana! :arrows:

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Originally Posted by Tazio

No! I think they will go back to being poppy growing misogamists like they have been for the last 300 years. :dozey:
We have the technical expertise to observe them via satellite, and lob a cruise missile in every once in a while. Terrorism is nothing new; trying to beat it is a waste of time. Quit believing the bullsh!t propaganda machine and maybe address that question I posed to you about your racist comments on the drowning victims in Louisiana! :arrows:

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nuke them and then gather up the glass left behind for coke bottles....
as in the wise worlds of george, not that george, but the real george, five star Patton....

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

That depends whether one is Shia or Sunni.

Remember there is a dogma reason they kill each other.

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Neither the Shia or the Sunni have a living central figure/leader who has the right to make decisions for all Shias or all Sunnis.

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Originally Posted by Eki

Neither the Shia or the Sunni have a living central figure/leader who has the right to make decisions for all Shias or all Sunnis.

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Nope they have dead ones, that makes them more dangerous.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Another thing that I would say didn't help any plea for patience or using an alternate means to make them surrender (an invasion) was the American experience with Japanese suicide attacks. Well before the end of the war, the Japanese had gained a reputation as fierce warriors who preferred death over surrender. To them, surrender meant dishonor. Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees. While I greatly admire that way of thinking, I know that it also means that if you don't win, you are likely going to die. And if that was your philosophy in 1940, don't be crying the blues in 2010.

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Which is what made the Pacific a little different from Europe. At least the Germans, if surrounded and faced with a hopeless situation would be more likely to surrender (despite frequent orders from Hitler to fight until the last man). Whereas you knew with the Japanese it was going to be a fight to the death.

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Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7

Funny thing about Americans and our culture. We will roll over for all kinds of nonsense so you never really know what you might do that will thoroughly piss us off. However, once pissed, we are an extremely dangerous adversary and will do whatever is seen fit to destroy you and your ability to make war. Note that "insurgencies" and general hooliganism does not constitute war in the conventional sense of a recognized government fielding conventional forces against the same.
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No doubt, the US is the biggest military power in the world, I don't think anybody disagrees with you. In fact you guys are very lucky, you've never had to fight a total war like we Finns, for example. Nobody's attacked your mainland soil with all they've got. Bombing a military base isn't really the same thing as dozens of planes bombing your capital city or hundreds of thousands of soldiers crossing your borders with an aim to destroy you and your culture.