Donkey of the race

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Originally Posted by truefan72

btw did Vettel get a penalty for his move on Kubica last year?

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I believe he did.

A bit alte and a bit expected, but my vote goes for Webber.

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Originally Posted by ioan

I believe he did.

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A ten place grid penalty.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

A ten place grid penalty.

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Thanks for the info Tam. :up:

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Originally Posted by truefan72

explain to me how kobayashi is a fool when his car breaks down on him. By your analysis then vettel is an even bigger fool right? i detect a hint of distaste in your comments with regard to japanese drivers. why label him as "the japanese driver?" this is not A1GP

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I'm not analysing anything. I just set a bunch of rules (which you can like or not), and following them some drivers get more "fool points" than others. Quite objective, empirical approach actually. It's all about 1's and 0's. Yes or no.
For me, the donkey of the race is Webber, as it is quite obvious to most of us. I'm only saying that the Japanese driver (he's Japanese, right? maybe I'm wrong, I'm not sure...) got more points following those simple rules.

Not a Kobayashi basher here (Kobayasher? :laugh :) . Last year he raced in two GPs and impressed me as much as his results are disappointing me this year. So far, 2 races, constantly behind De la Rosa, and 2 DNFs (althought not his fault, any of them).

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Originally Posted by Pulidor

Not a Kobayashi basher here (Kobayasher? :laugh :) . Last year he raced in two GPs and impressed me as much as his results are disappointing me this year. So far, 2 races, constantly behind De la Rosa, and 2 DNFs (althought not his fault, any of them).

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Then why mention him in this thread?

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Originally Posted by Pulidor

I'm not analysing anything. I just set a bunch of rules (which you can like or not), and following them some drivers get more "fool points" than others. Quite objective, empirical approach actually. It's all about 1's and 0's. Yes or no.
For me, the donkey of the race is Webber, as it is quite obvious to most of us. I'm only saying that the Japanese driver (he's Japanese, right? maybe I'm wrong, I'm not sure...) got more points following those simple rules.

Not a Kobayashi basher here (Kobayasher? :laugh :) . Last year he raced in two GPs and impressed me as much as his results are disappointing me this year. So far, 2 races, constantly behind De la Rosa, and 2 DNFs (althought not his fault, any of them).

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ok accepted, but I still don't understand how mechanical failures make him the #1 fool in your books.

By your set of standards then surely Vettel is a bigger fool

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Originally Posted by ioan

Then why mention him in this thread?

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Well, so far you have explicitly talked in this thread about Webber, Massa, Rosberg, Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel, Schumacher and Kubica and I have no problem with it. I think that's the point in a forum.

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Originally Posted by truefan72

ok accepted, but I still don't understand how mechanical failures make him the #1 fool in your books.
By your set of standards then surely Vettel is a bigger fool

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Why should Vettel be a bigger fool? He didn't cause an accident and he didn't cause a safety car deployment. He just got a broken car and went off. Feel free to take a look at the rules that measure the points given.

BTW, what do you guys think about moderators setting a poll for both the driver and the donkey of the race? Not just for this GP, but on a regular basis. Just an idea.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

A ten place grid penalty.

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webber should get the same.....

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Originally Posted by Pulidor

Well, so far you have explicitly talked in this thread about Webber, Massa, Rosberg, Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel, Schumacher and Kubica and I have no problem with it. I think that's the point in a forum.

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You're trying to avoid an answer to the question.
FYI I only did call Webber the donkey of the race for the obvious reasons, so why did you mention Kobayashi as getting a mention as donkey of the race? :D