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7th February 2010, 20:42
Hondo

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Originally Posted by Eki

Answer me this: Are they welcomed in Florida?

Finland returned those who illegally came from the Soviet Union and we still return those who illegally come from Russia, although they now have the freedom to leave Russia. It's sad, I know, but we can't afford to take everyone who wants to leave Russia.

For the most part those that have family here and want to become good, productive citizens are welcome here. Some of it is almost like a game. If they can make it to shore, they can stay by claiming asylum. If the Coast Guard stops the boat near the beach and everybody dives overboard and swims for the beach, those that make it to where they can stand with their heads above water win. Those that are plucked from the water still swimming lose and go back.

The stories about George Bush modifying the Coast Guard boats to release up to 12 hungery sharks below the waterline are not true.

Why would anyone want to leave Russia?
7th February 2010, 21:01
Eki

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Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7

Why would anyone want to leave Russia?

I just read on a tabloid about an 81 year old Russian grandmother who's been living with her daughter for two years in Finland. The daughter has been living in Finland for almost 20 years and is married to a Finn. Now the Finnish authorities want to send the granny back to Russia for fear they'll have to pay for her care here in Finland. Apparently the granny doesn't have any relatives in Russia who could take care of her and the Russian care for the elderly isn't up at the same level it is in Finland. The Finnish son in law has returned his military passport in protest saying that if he's not capable of defending his family, he's not capable of defending his country.

Then there was a Russian military conscript who had escaped his unit near the Finnish border to Finland with an assault rifle. He ended up shooting himself when the Finns tried to capture him.
8th February 2010, 06:37
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by Eki

Answer me this: Are they welcomed in Florida?

Finland returned those who illegally came from the Soviet Union and we still return those who illegally come from Russia, although they now have the freedom to leave Russia. It's sad, I know, but we can't afford to take everyone who wants to leave Russia.

Most Americans I have met understand the USA is the destination for a lot of oppressed people and poor from the less well off or badly run nations of the earth. Legitimate asylum, or economic refugee's who are absorbed legally are not the ones people in the USA get upset about. The Millions who just come in and start working under the table ARE.

Of course, when stern people decide building a fence or putting more Border Patrol on the Mexican border is in order, the trendy chattering classes think it is horrible...but the fact is, a nation which does not control its borders is defined by many historical definations as not being sovereign. I wouldn't say the USA is THAT, but the tremendous strain on the social welfare system of the US is just one of the reasons the recession has kicked the crap out of the economy and one of the reasons why the reforms suggested for healthcare were so hotly contested.
8th February 2010, 06:39
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by Eki

I just read on a tabloid about an 81 year old Russian grandmother who's been living with her daughter for two years in Finland. The daughter has been living in Finland for almost 20 years and is married to a Finn. Now the Finnish authorities want to send the granny back to Russia for fear they'll have to pay for her care here in Finland. Apparently the granny doesn't have any relatives in Russia who could take care of her and the Russian care for the elderly isn't up at the same level it is in Finland. The Finnish son in law has returned his military passport in protest saying that if he's not capable of defending his family, he's not capable of defending his country.

Then there was a Russian military conscript who had escaped his unit near the Finnish border to Finland with an assault rifle. He ended up shooting himself when the Finns tried to capture him.

Sounds familiar. Every once in a while we will read the story of someone who's visa has run out who has kids here in Canada, or someone who overstayed a VISA who seems like a sympathetic character is on the deportation list to a country that isn't very nice. We hear of this sort of thing all the time. What you describe Eki wouldn't happen here...so I guess Canada is MORE empthatic than Finland? Granny would be exempt here because the daughter would have gotten sponsorship for Granny.
8th February 2010, 11:15
Eki

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

I guess Canada is MORE empthatic than Finland?

You are probably cleaner and more polite too.
8th February 2010, 15:03
Easy Drifter

When I see the litter beside our roads, especially when the snow melts I doubt cleaner!
More polite, no idea.
Present company excluded. :p
8th February 2010, 21:33
Eki

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

The freedom to come and go means your nation isn't a prison camp!!! Even the Chicom's allow their people to come and go to an extent.

I'm watching a documentary about China. It mentioned how Carter demanded from Deng Xiaoping that certain amount of Chinese should be allowed to leave China before the US can cooperate with China. Den Xiaoping answered, "Sure Chinese people can leave. How many do you want 40 million, 50 million?"
9th February 2010, 01:44
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by Eki

I'm watching a documentary about China. It mentioned how Carter demanded from Deng Xiaoping that certain amount of Chinese should be allowed to leave China before the US can cooperate with China. Den Xiaoping answered, "Sure Chinese people can leave. How many do you want 40 million, 50 million?"

Eki...things like that is why Jimmy Carter is a TOOL....

Dealing with the PRC is pretty difficult, but you never help your cause by demanding things from them like that....
9th February 2010, 01:45
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by Eki

You are probably cleaner and more polite too.

I was razzing you....we probably are NOT as clean, but we are famous for being polite. Except starting Friday...then the gloves are off....we were polite in Montreal in 76, and Calgary in 88, but this time we want the gold and we want it early and often!!!
9th February 2010, 05:56
Eki

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

I was razzing you....we probably are NOT as clean,

Come on, Canadians are clean. They said so in "Canadian Bacon". They invaded Canada and when they saw Toronto, one of them said in awe "It's almost like Albany, only cleaner".

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