Stefan GP, to take part in the 2010 ?

The whole thing stinks and as for the suggestion that those of us who don't like the idea of Stefan GP because Stefanovich is serbian, get over yourselves already. You really expect us to bow down and kiss his a**e through fear of being called racist if we don't, that doesn't work with me. Force India were my favorite team last year, massively improved from previous seasons and showed that they're not just on the grid to make up numbers.

The simple facts are these, it was widely accepted that F1 was being made more accessible through the budget cap, subsequently teams started coming forward having made all the arrangements to run a season, (or at least worked out how to get the funding,) based on said budget cap. Then the goal posts were moved, as already mentioned, and you really expect all the teams to be able to cope with that? Sure, they could have bought the Toymota team, but have you not considered that they'd probably have made considerable investment into their own team plans and so couldn't readily hand over the cash for Toymota.

In closing, I hope none of you Stefan GP supporters run your own companies. If you do, think how you'd feel to have a key supplier suddenly cut off by a rival upstart company. Then maybe you'd have some sympathy for Campos.

Campos couldn't pay the bills. Stefan could. That's business.

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Maybe Zoran Stefanovic thinks he's signing Michael? :p :



I think that can be explained by at the time when the FIA were vetting the teams Stefan didn't have a decent package in the Toyota TF110 and the Toyota engine. Having got the remains of the Toyota operation they seem to have some money in place so it isn't really any wonder why Bernie is now pushing this team.

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What about when Toyota pulled out and Stefan GP likely had all the rights to Toyota's 2010 chassis at the time? Even then they were still overlooked in favour of Sauber.

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What about when Toyota pulled out and Stefan GP likely had all the rights to Toyota's 2010 chassis at the time? Even then they were still overlooked in favour of Sauber.

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Which might point to the fact that Bernie is looking out for his own backside on this one. If StefanGP have more money than Campos, Bernie sees a more likely candidate for long-term investment into the sport and, thus, he can make another few quick £££ in the process.

I think Bernie is a truly great business man and he does his job ruthlessly. He is a genius negotiator. But that doesn't mean I like him, or think he's a nice guy. I hate his tactics, I would never put any trust in him and I find him a cold-blooded personality.

Come to think of it, he reminds me of Mr. Burns from the Simpsons. :p :

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Which might point to the fact that Bernie is looking out for his own backside on this one. If StefanGP have more money than Campos, Bernie sees a more likely candidate for long-term investment into the sport and, thus, he can make another few quick £££ in the process.

I think Bernie is a truly great business man and he does his job ruthlessly. He is a genius negotiator. But that doesn't mean I like him, or think he's a nice guy. I hate his tactics, I would never put any trust in him and I find him a cold-blooded personality.

Come to think of it, he reminds me of Mr. Burns from the Simpsons. :p :

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And to file a lawsuit agaisnt Campos for breach of contract if they fail to make it = more money in Bernie's back pocket

You are right though, he's a genius negotiator but an arrogant piece of dirt in the process

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What about when Toyota pulled out and Stefan GP likely had all the rights to Toyota's 2010 chassis at the time? Even then they were still overlooked in favour of Sauber.

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Sauber had been confirmed as the reserve team after Lotus took their spot, that was before Toyota pulled out. As an existing F1 team Sauber were always going to beat Stefan and quite rightly so, there is no shame or cause of concern to be drawn by that.

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Sauber had been confirmed as the reserve team after Lotus took their spot, that was before Toyota pulled out. As an existing F1 team Sauber were always going to beat Stefan and quite rightly so, there is no shame or cause of concern to be drawn by that.

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They did put in a challenge though from what i remember. But like you said, Sauber were listed as the "14th team" and quite rightly the FIA were true to their word and let them in ahead of Stefan

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And to file a lawsuit agaisnt Campos for breach of contract if they fail to make it = more money in Bernie's back pocket

You are right though, he's a genius negotiator but an arrogant piece of dirt in the process

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Why do you use such disgraceful words in describing Bernie Ecclestone?

Have you any real idea what the people who populate F1 and actually know Bernie think of him? No, you do not.

Instead you villify him.

That says more about you than anything else. You have my pity.

Heres a thought - why don't you just forget about F1, the sport that Bernie built, because in reality, not doing so makes you a hypocryte or worse.

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Which might point to the fact that Bernie is looking out for his own backside on this one. If StefanGP have more money than Campos, Bernie sees a more likely candidate for long-term investment into the sport and, thus, he can make another few quick £££ in the process.

I think Bernie is a truly great business man and he does his job ruthlessly. He is a genius negotiator. But that doesn't mean I like him, or think he's a nice guy. I hate his tactics, I would never put any trust in him and I find him a cold-blooded personality.

Come to think of it, he reminds me of Mr. Burns from the Simpsons. :p :

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Seeing that you know Bernie so well I am sure he will be mortified. OMG! What is he to do NOW!!!!

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Seeing that you know Bernie so well I am sure he will be mortified. OMG! What is he to do NOW!!!!

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Sorry if I'm not friends with your chums but I perceive him in a different light. You look at the positive he's brought to the sport from a commercial point of view. I look at his attention-seeking comments in the media, his prioritising of his own assets and his manipulative approach to governing the sport.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Have you any real idea what the people who populate F1 and actually know Bernie think of him? No, you do not.

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Ask Ron Tauranac, see what he says.