Put any ot them on a bike in moto-x :)
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Put any ot them on a bike in moto-x :)
We seem to have wandered off topic.
Danicafan: There have been many F1 drivers who were winners on ovals. There have been oval drivers who won on road courses including F1.
At the moment there are too many good feeder series running in Europe for IRL drivers to get much chance. If the new spec cars are better road racing cars and the series runs on tough road circuits there certainly will be chances.
In the mid 70's one of the main feeder series was the Cdn. F. Atlantic series. Yes, a lot of the drivers were not North American but it was a main proving ground. It was also a main feeder for Indy and had no ovals!
Then there was the time 6 or 7 pro Atlantic teams showed up at Charlotte for a SCCA spring regional! They ran all formula cars together for first practice. The Formula Vees came off the road course and headed for the top off the banking and then shot down to the bottom to gain speed and then back up at maybe 80. By this time the Atlantics were up to 160/170 and running near the top groove. Groups were quickly changed before disaster hit.
I don't think that being an IRL driver makes one inferior to any and all F1 drivers. But anyone who believes that a person who has never won a professional open wheel race, or whose standings show them to be average at best, can run circles around the sharp end of the F1 grid... that's the same mindset that you see on certain "fantasy" boards, where any CCWS driver can beat any IRL driver (even the current IRL drivers who scorched them when both were in CART). So like I said, this one time at band camp, these four twin sister cheerleaders from another school... :dozey:Quote:
An IRL driver is more diverse in that they drive both road/street courses and ovals. F1 drivers would be lost on an oval. An IRL driver would run circles around them.
Danica, Tony Kanaan, Dixon, Marco Andretti, Wheldon, Castroneves, Dario, Sam Hornish (I know they are NASCAR now) can run against anyone in F1.
In my world, Senna was always better than Prost or Mansell. I would never admit any different. But that was me being a Senna fan(atic). I was still plugged into reality well enough to know that wasn't (always) true. I think certain IRL drivers would do well enough against certain F1 drivers, in either F1 or IRL cars. But if it was my own money that I was betting, I'd take the sharp end of the F1 grid to beat the sharp end of the IRL grid in either type of car. That's a personal opinion based on observation over the years... because it'll never happen, as I don't see Lewis (or Kimi or Fernando or Felipe or Kubica) ever coming to the IRL and I don't see Danica (or Dan or Dario or Castroneves) ever going to F1. I do believe Rubens Barrichello might come over to do Indy if Honda remains a player.
But short of a real ROC race, we will never settle this.
So using Al Gore's logic if you make $250,000 for 4 years then you are a millionaire. How about $25,000 for 40 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Yes all F-1 drivers make around $1,000,000 but that does not make them millionaires.
Justin Wilson is? He drove F-1. Yet a JPM can make a base around $750,000 and end up doubling up what he made in one season with McLaren.
May F-1 drivers price themselves out of the sport like Jacques Villenueve, others want to continue to drive, Coulthart. The rest are drivers desperate to continue there climb son the car owner has the final say. If a driver takes $500,000 and $100,000 per point then that can become the norm.
Yes if you win a WC you can demand more than a person who struggles to gain a point.
Who is Al Gore? I think you should read about F1 a little more before putting out comments like above. You obviously don't have any idea of the status of the sport in the world. Yes F1 drivers are all millionaires, in euros, and in dollars even more so. According to F1 racing March 2007 the top 10 drivers salaries were:Quote:
Originally Posted by !!WALDO!!
1. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, US$51 million
2: Ralf Schumacher, Toyota, US$25 million.
3: Fernando Alonso, McLaren, US$22 million.
4: Jenson Button, Honda, US$18 million.
5: Rubens Barrichello, Honda, US$12 million.
6: Jarno Trulli, Toyota, US$10 million.
7: Felipe Massa, Ferrari, US$8 million.
8: Giancarlo Fisichella, Renault, US$7 million.
9: Mark Webber, Red Bull, US$5 million.
10. Takuma Sato, Super Aguri, US$4.5 million.
Two things come to mind here.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
First, there are, by my count, about 23 more drivers in F1 (including test drivers). Are they all paid over one million?
Second, Waldo is right, IMO. It takes more than having a $1M salary to be considered a millionaire. If your salary is $1M a year and your lifestyle takes $999,999 to support, then you're not going to be a millionaire. YMMV.
The test drivers are a different thing, I don't consider them F1 drivers.... Anyway, based on what I have read here , It seems that people here (Americans) fail to grasp how much money there is in F1, and how big it really is outside their world.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbyars
I disagree. I think most American racing fans understand very well how much money there is in F1.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
However, you made a very specific statement about all F1 drivers being millionaires. I think that is the statement some of us are disputing.
I would guess - and it's just a guess - that there are more actual millionaire drivers in NASCAR than there are in F1, but I'll also be the first to admit that is not really an apples to apples comparison.
Well, to be fair, in the last couple years, no one outside of the Hendrick or Gibbs team dominates Nascar, especially in a Dodge. Not really any different than in F1 if you are outside of the McLaren and Ferrari camps.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Until his father re-negotiated his contract mid way through last year, Lewis Hamilton was FAR from a millionaire on the salary he was being paid, as are most second and third drivers on the grid. See how much a second driver for Williams is actually paid. How many ride buyers ate there actually on the grid. That being said, with the money available in F1, being paid in excess of $1m is hardly indicative of the talent at hand. Access to the money to be there in the first place isthe real story. does anyone anywhere outside of the Shumacher household believe Ralf was worth anywhere near the salary he was paid?Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Spoiled rich kids born with the proverbial silver spoon don't count. In that respect, you may be correct.