Honda found a bug in the McLaren CPU?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Zaphod?

I think he also owns a robot called Marvin.

"....brain the size of a planet..........." :laugh:

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:rotflmao: Oh boy does that bring back memories :s mokin:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhiker...40/zaphod2.jpg

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Originally Posted by wmcot

By the way, it's "WITCH HUNT"...

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LOL :) True!

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Originally Posted by wmcot

By the way, it's "WITCH HUNT"...

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As in "oi, witch hunt did that"? :laugh:

Well, it looks like this issue is not to go away any time soon. Ferrari are suspecting that Kimi's electronic pump malfuctioned due to a problem with the ECU unit (It did not respond the way it was supposed to). They also are suspecting that the engine failures (so far unexplained by Ferrari- and that is huge) MIGHT have something to do with this unit as well.
Some other teams are also wondering if this unit is hindering the full potential of their cars.
I actually wonder how can a unit that was mainly designed by a McLaren company for a Mclaren car is supposed to beatifully fit in with so many other engines. Actually I am ready to say that the whole idea of having ONE electronic unit - McLaren made or not - working properly again in so mamy different cars is totally stupid and wrong. It should be reconsidered.

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Originally Posted by mstillhere

Well, it looks like this issue is not to go away any time soon. Ferrari are suspecting that Kimi's electronic pump malfuctioned due to a problem with the ECU unit (It did not respond the way it was supposed to). They also are suspecting that the engine failures (so far unexplained by Ferrari- and that is huge) MIGHT have something to do with this unit as well.
Some other teams are also wondering if this unit is hindering the full potential of their cars.
I actually wonder how can a unit that was mainly designed by a McLaren company for a Mclaren car is supposed to beatifully fit in with so many other engines. Actually I am ready to say that the whole idea of having ONE electronic unit - McLaren made or not - working properly again in so mamy different cars is totally stupid and wrong. It should be reconsidered.

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It's interesting that there were plenty of other cars able to finish the race without engine problems.

The HW has been developed by Mclaren, the SW by Mircosoft.

Why is having a standard ECU "stupid and wrong"? Certainly the mayhem, that I very much enjoyed this past weekend, was due to not having traction control, thanks to a standard ECU. Massa's turn 1 and Glock's incidents would not have happened with TC. The racing this year is going to be as much about the driver as the equipment. In years past it was mostly about the equipment and a little about the driver.

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Originally Posted by jjanicke

It's interesting that there were plenty of other cars able to finish the race without engine problems.

The HW has been developed by Mclaren, the SW by Mircosoft.

Why is having a standard ECU "stupid and wrong"? Certainly the mayhem, that I very much enjoyed this past weekend, was due to not having traction control, thanks to a standard ECU. Massa's turn 1 and Glock's incidents would not have happened with TC. The racing this year is going to be as much about the driver as the equipment. In years past it was mostly about the equipment and a little about the driver.

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I truly, truly hope that what happened to Ferrari in Australia was a single and isolated case (with the electronic gas pump amd MAYBE the engineS - with capital S- failures). What it matters to me is that the ECU is not affecting the values of the cars in the field. Just imagine the effects on the sport if we were to find out that just the opposite is true.

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Originally Posted by mstillhere

Well, it looks like this issue is not to go away...

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Are the Ferrari "suspicions" the ones mentioned in this report where Stefano Domenicali says:

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"Today we had engine trouble, but with this rule-book the gearbox is another element to keep in check. Let's not forget that with MES (the standard ECU) we can have some problems in understanding the system, and how to integrate it with the car. We must still discover it in full."

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I don't know about other teams saying the ECU is a source of their problems, but I guess it's a neat, ready-made, excuse for poor reliability which could be down to any number of different factors.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Are the Ferrari "suspicions" the ones mentioned in this report where Stefano Domenicali says:
I don't know about other teams saying the ECU is a source of their problems, but I guess it's a neat, ready-made, excuse for poor reliability which could be down to any number of different factors.

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Hey, they could take a LEAF out of the train delay excuses book as used by rail operators in Britain.

Classic examples include;

Adverse weather conditions (wrong tyre choice?)

Congestion (never quite understood this one, they run to a timetable, so know exactly how many trains are running don't they), but could be for when they queue up in the pits......

Leaves on the line

Staff shortages (couldn't get out of bed)

Unforseen circumstances (this is a good one for blaming the ECU) alond with,

Circumstances beyond our control. (It'a all Ross's fault, he left....) :laugh:

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I don't know about other teams saying the ECU is a source of their problems, but I guess it's a neat, ready-made, excuse for poor reliability which could be down to any number of different factors.

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Very true, but having a Mclaren-supplied ECU was always going to bring these types of suspicions/concerns.

After 2007, any 'faith' in Mclaren being fair and even-handed has been well and truly and, imo, potentially forever lost.

That's not to say that Mclaren are up to no good with the ECU....I still try to cling to the hope that they can be fair, even though I don't trust them and wish the FIA had gone to a supplier with no link to F1 (VW?), but seriously, after the repeated underhand tactics and denials of the truth that they commited last year, what does any Mclaren-loving person expect?

Yes, I know it's 'innocent until proven guilty', but likewise it's 'guilty when proven guilty' and there are some posters on here who have yet to accept that.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Very true, but having a Mclaren-supplied ECU was always going to bring these types of suspicions/concerns.

After 2007, any 'faith' in Mclaren being fair and even-handed has been well and truly and, imo, potentially forever lost.

That's not to say that Mclaren are up to no good with the ECU....I still try to cling to the hope that they can be fair, even though I don't trust them and wish the FIA had gone to a supplier with no link to F1 (VW?), but seriously, after the repeated underhand tactics and denials of the truth that they commited last year, what does any Mclaren-loving person expect?

Yes, I know it's 'innocent until proven guilty', but likewise it's 'guilty when proven guilty' and there are some posters on here who have yet to accept that.

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Interesting quote from Max on Autosport yesterday....

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Originally Posted by Max Mosely

"If I was against Dennis, I wouldn't have awarded McLaren the supply of the ECUs to the F1 teams, I would have let Magneti Marelli win the contract, since it already supplied most of the teams.

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As much as I am pleased MES got the contract, would it not have been better to have either -

1. Gone with the majority supplier

or

2. Chosen a complete independent, say Lucas or Bosch for example.....

It's a little unusual when Max words things like that....