Hello I've just seen that Daniel Elena didn't mistake!!! In the onboard camera he said 130-- and no ++ like all people say!!!!I am sure I checked many time the video.
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Hello I've just seen that Daniel Elena didn't mistake!!! In the onboard camera he said 130-- and no ++ like all people say!!!!I am sure I checked many time the video.
All people? Was Sebastien who said it not all people.Quote:
Originally Posted by adambousbek
Even Daniel himself said it
As Seb said: After 10 years he did make a mistake, so if that's the case I think thats only fear...
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Originally Posted by adambousbek
Not true.
Elena said 130 ++.
-- is for the next corner. No doubt ( I am french )
I haven't checked it but for sure Loeb was mad at him.
I was surprised just how mad Loeb was! Normally even if a driver is absolutely hopping crazy mad at his co-driver he won't say so, we would just say "it's one of those things"..
Does Elena go on TV complaining every time Loeb makes a mistake?
Are you guys creating a storm to the waterglass now ???
Just throwing something else in...
Was it not Daniel Elena who 'could' be seen to have cost Seb the title in 2003? His mistake (I think it was Turkey) when they took a wrong turn on the road section could've been the difference in points they required that year, instead it went to Solberg...
As did Nick Grists wrong call cost McRae a championship. Co-drivers make mistakes just like drivers do. Otherwise why not just replace them with a tape recorder?
Meh.
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Originally Posted by A.F.F.
That is exactly what this is :up:
i dont know if you remember, that Daniel was celebrating his 35th birthday on friday
i guess that this mistakes was because of huge hangover :s pin:, after b-day party :D :D :D not jet-lag or sth ;) ,
Don't think he was that mad, just upset (and after a huge fight with Marcus all year and now at a crucial stage of the championship, who wouldn't be?) but just told it like it was. Remember that Daniel is trying to be World Champion also!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
"Co-drivers can't win rallies, but they can sure lose them" :)
right... i've checked cause we hear '--' before they go off. But it's for the next corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by kakus
Dani said '130++'
When was that mistake Seb is talking about(the 10years ago one)?? Is that the one when they crash in the old looking Xsara? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4uYyQqxo-YM
and for the records YES he says ++, Seb knows it right away he starts telling Daniel about it, even before the car stops http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=20ADXN9Y9wg
I just checked it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20ADXN9Y9wgQuote:
Originally Posted by adambousbek
Daniel says "130 ++ mi-long tard ouvre, et ferme 130 -- plus long etc... " the 1st 130 should have been a --
So yes Daniel Made a mistake. They both acknowledge it so i dont really understand why there is confusion.
And yes Seb was not happy, but i understand his frustation. Anyway rallying is team work, you win and lose with your codriver, so whose mistake it is not important.
So it's "mi-long" that sounds like "Milou", the Tintin dog. I've been wondering.Quote:
Originally Posted by xavier
No.. Tintins dog is called Snowy.... Now that really would have confused things!.. but at least he'd have got round the corner. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
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Originally Posted by jonas_mcrae
Seb said 1st mistake in 10 years, not 1st mistake for 10 years, similar but totally different statements.
Shiney tar/driver error caused the crash you mention
Depends on language. In english it's indeed snowy but original french name - and the better (compared to english) translated finnish version - is Milou. Voilá.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tintin_and_Snowy
Yes Jonkka, I was just trying to be funny.. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
Hey... this is interesting... in Sweden, and apparantly in Finland, TinTins dog is called Milou. Hmm... Never heard of Snowy, but I understand now that TinTin is obv. very popular in Australia since they have named some mountain range after his dog... :cool:
Edit: late with my comment obviously
Cheers Zico!
I dont know how mad he was, but I find it annoying with his tone when they interviewed him and he said "ask the co-driver." It was a mark of disrespect.
Agreed tmx, but Loeb always seems to be very nice, so I guess he sometimes has to show that he is human also in this field.
The statement from Loeb there reminded me of Colin McRae's answer after Grist checked them in a little too early under rally Deutchland 2002; "Just ask the Welsh Wizard" wasn't it?
Yes, soon after they would split. Not going to happen with Loeb and Elena of course. IMO, it wasn't bad to see the other side of Loeb once. Then again, it was not with a Delecour temperament.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennizw
Well said. Agreed. :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Why is it so big deal that co-driver made mistake??? Loeb and Elena are in a team. They win together and lose together. Sometimes one makes mistake, and other times the other makes mistake, as simple is that. Elena can't drive like Loeb but I'm sure Loeb can't drive like Loeb if Elena isn't beside him.
A team, between driver and co-driver, it's like a marriage. Problems we resolved at home, not in front of televisions cameras.
To me it is simple: Sebastien Loeb like driver :) Sebastien Loeb like person :mad:
To me it is also simple: Loeb as driver :D Loeb as person :cool:
As opposed to Bosse: :D + :tongue: allthough it wont display...
Well...what abt Wilson then...? Me thinks: :eek: + :)
And so on...
I don't know what makes you folks happy??? If the media asks the reason for their off, what should Loeb have done ?? Lie ??
I have to admit I haven't watched every single piece of footage from Japan but I've seen two different interviews conserning their mistake and in either one of them, Loeb wasn't nothing but a gentlemen, towards the interviewer and his co-driver Daniel Elena.
Jeez....
You people are insane :D
If Loeb had made a driving error and they would have asked Daniel about it, what do you he would have said.... "Ask the driver" :laugh:
In all of their time together that makes the score what?
Daniel 1
Sebastien 6 or 7?
Sebastien was obviously upset and frustrated that it wasn't HIS mistake that put them out of the rally but at the same time I think he is smart enough to realize he has made more mistakes to cost Daniel rallies than Daniel has cost him.
Drivers by their nature are egotistical, this was simply getting to see a bit of that side of Seb.
SO I agree, meh.
(if anyone is interested, in the next to last Rally America championship event there is a spot of incar that shows the driver correcting the co-driver on the note as the co-driver is late before they go off (they finished the stage with little to no damage))
I thought the opposite tbh.. Put yourself in Sebastiens shoes.. wouldnt you have been be a tad peeved? I think I would have been too.. Is it wrong to see the human side? I dont think so..Quote:
Originally Posted by tmx
As Josti says.. At least he didnt thump Daniel as per Delacour.. ;) :D
This is a normal post :up: Reporters or the one ho need news and something to write! Most of the time it is B*llsh!t. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by koko0703
I think Seb's words weren't deserved by Daniel, I don't remember Elena blaming Loeb bitterly in front of the cameras when the driver did a mistake.
Exactly, I dont also see anything strange in the whole case, Loeb just told what did happen, when he was asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Seems that the people here is a bit too sensitive, poor co-driver :)
Most time the media ignore the co drivers. They go straith to the drivers with the microphone and camera. So the dirver can do his words and explain his sight of the accidents.Quote:
Originally Posted by kobefly