- SS2/6 is extended by 5 km from the end
- SS11/15 is new
- Jaškovo - Mali Modruš Potok dropped.
- Saturday stage order shuffled
- They made it just above 300 km ;)
Otherwise same as 2022.
https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/s...86990090055685
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- SS2/6 is extended by 5 km from the end
- SS11/15 is new
- Jaškovo - Mali Modruš Potok dropped.
- Saturday stage order shuffled
- They made it just above 300 km ;)
Otherwise same as 2022.
https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/s...86990090055685
Well that’s one of my crystal ball predictions most likely failed, unless Japan is well under 300km again :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
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- Jaškovo - Mali Modruš Potok dropped.
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Too bad. It was a very good stage for spectators.
Last year, I was about 2 meters away from the road and also before stage, from nowhere J-M Latvala appeared. Of course we took photo together.
https://i.postimg.cc/KvnbwK7L/IMG-20220423-162713.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/FRMtnm7D/IMG-20220423-150438-1.jpg
58 crews send entry for 2023 edition.
Roadbooks and maps are out on website of organiser. Just one new stage wich is situated close to highway in the direction of Platak Stage. The only other thing that changes compared to last year is that stage 2-6 is now about 5 kms longer. Everything else stays the same as last year.
Hopefully recce videos come to youtube like two last years.
Can you send me the maps, i have no access to the files area
Would be very helpful
I sent you PM, not sure if it arrived, if not let me know.Quote:
Originally Posted by LSebastian
Google maps and PDF available on the spectators pageQuote:
Originally Posted by LSebastian
https://rally-croatia.com/en/spectat...al-stages-maps
You helped me out before, i'd be grateful if you could againQuote:
Originally Posted by br21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBafSSGZCa4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHQmvK2MNY8
what is the name of SS? will be in this edition?
Neuville's jump (SS3 in 2021) is not driven this year but other stages have jumps as well.
Rossel's corner is 8.1 km into SS3/7 this year.
Hi, I want to ask, if anybody know what SS are this stages?
If it´s possible where on the map is possible to find them.
Thank´s Pete
Video source : https://youtu.be/qmsqeeJt11w?t=149
https://youtu.be/qmsqeeJt11w?t=383
Solberg not going for WRC2 points. Suninen (and Zaldivar) not starting, although it was in their initial program. Also no Mikkelsen yet. But a good WRC2 fight between Greensmith, Rossel, Lindholm, Gryazin, Cais and Fourmaux
No Ingram either despite doing Croatia last year. He hints his next rally will be Portugal and maybe in the new Fabia RS.
https://www.rally-maps.com/Quattro-R...-Karlovac-2023
A "practice event" with three WRC Croatia Rally stages. Greensmith and Gryazin are starting.
Yes, but I`d say smart choice of copied stages from WRC - short ones, which usually don`t have big impact - this `critical´ ones driven this year as friday 1 and 2 in the loop and saturday longest one are not part of this national rally - and this longer stages also have pretty different character and ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Finally, for the first time, we gonna see i20 Rally2 in Croatia rally.
Also ones that were driven already 2021 and 2022, so familiar to most drivers anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by jcevc
Hello mate, the location that you are asking for is couple kilometers away from that famous bridge (SS Vinski Vrh-Duga Resa). This are the correct cordinates (45.4741959, 15.4612296)Quote:
Originally Posted by Peperoma
That may be so - I still think it's pretty crazy that a national rally is using actual WRC stages, less than a month before that WRC event is due to run. We're talking 20% of Rally Croatia's total stage distance having 2 extra recce passes, and then being used competitively by just a few guys for whom this national rally falls into their schedule / budget. It doesn't seem right to me, and I can't think of another example of where that's happened before.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
The Equator Rally in Kenya in the last few years has run many identical stages to the Safari 2 months before it ran. This year it moved but don’t know if that is Safari related or more that a National event was added to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ouvreur
Lindholm test
https://youtu.be/dQo67I4Rqwg
Toksport crews finished 1-2 on their pre-Croatia test event last weekend, Gryazin quickest on majority of stages but Greensmith wasn't toooo much slower:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...karlovac-2023/
this is almost pointless to mention when they had no one to drive against. Mauro Miele finished 3rd overall :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RS
Tanak happy with his test rally...
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/wrc...ble-for-tanak/
Yes and it was Greensmith's first tarmac experience in the new Fabia and vs Gryazin who set the tarmac pace back in Monte.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
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https://itgetsfasternow.com/2023/04/...ia-rally-2023/
Route preview. Only one new stage but the two new stages from last year were driven in such tricky conditions that they are practically new if the weather is dry.
I must say I dont like this. I know they have special permissions, but for me this is against the rules to allow WRC competitors to do same stages like WRC event only three weeks before the rally...Quote:
Originally Posted by jcevc
That's the thing that bugs me most. If a competitor informally went cycling to take a look at the roads, they would rightly be penalised. But somehow it's allowed for an organiser to put a rally on them, and anyone who wants to (and can afford it) can drive two passes of recce and three in competition... it doesn't make sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Covid time Arctic rally was run mostly on same stages and Rovanperä took part in both events, but if I am not mistaken, all those stages were run in opposite direction, which is big difference. Additionally winter rally is never the same couple of weeks later ;) So, I don't remember such a case.Quote:
Originally Posted by ouvreur
Rovanperä took part in Arctic in 2020, WRC event was run in 2021. Hänninen did the event as a test for the team in 2021 but not the WRC event. Oliver Solberg did the normal Arctic in R5 and then WRC with the WRC car. Only the power stage was run in the same direction as in the WRC event. And yeah, conditions were pretty different, even Toyota was a bit lost with their setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Mänttä 200 ajo in Finland has used 1000 Lakes route in the mid-to-late 80's but back then recce was more free anyway.
Last year Ouninpohja Rally used like 2-3 km that was run in the WRC event but AFAIK only Teemu Asunmaa was someone who did both events.
If the organisers of Karlovac ran those WRC Croatia stages in the opposite direction I wouldn't see any problem at all. Then it would be a test, in comparable conditions, on similar roads - no different to any other competitor's PET.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
What those crews who participated in Karlovac have actually done is practised 3 stages of a WRC event 3 times, in their entry cars, within a month of that WRC event taking place. Practicing stages hasn't been allowed for decades.
No - they’ve participated in another event which is completely allowed and always has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by ouvreur
It’s no different from the Fafe rallysprint (or whatever it was) that was organised for a few years as a warm up for Portugal. Wasn’t that something like the previous weekend?
It's not "completely allowed", you need FIA's permission to take part in the rally, for example in the case of Karlovac, if you want to also do the WRC event.Quote:
Originally Posted by J4MIE
In the days when Rally Portugal was far from Fafe, in the South.Quote:
It’s no different from the Fafe rallysprint (or whatever it was) that was organised for a few years as a warm up for Portugal. Wasn’t that something like the previous weekend?
But Rally Fafe ERC has been arranged on the same stages as WRC Rally Portugal. Teemu Suninen just commented on this topic and said that it's different in Fafe when the rally is run months earlier, the conditions are so different. And I think it's the same as Equator Rally Kenya and Safari Rally, first is arranged in the mud season (and anyway no WRC regulars have participated)
Fafe Rallysprint was organised for a few years when Rally Portugal was held in the south of the country, so there was no overlap.Quote:
Originally Posted by J4MIE
But if you want to give a portuguese example, the next round of the portuguese national championship (2 weeks before Rally Portugal) runs 2x the final 15Km of the Amarante WRC stage. In the recent years there where always some WRC2 crews coming. In this case I don't see much of an issue since its not the full stage and the full one (WRC) has been ran the same way since 2015.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
It ended up not being quite the overlap it looked to be. The only repeated stages that where run where Fafe and Santa Quitéria (Felgueiras). and none of them are new to most of the drivers. The WRC version of Cabeceiras de Basto is run in reverse this year, and the Vieira do Minho stage (ended being cancelled) was meant to be a shortened reversed version of the WRC stage which has been slightly altered this year with 5 extra km in the end.
And yes, the winter conditions change a lot the character of some stages. Plus, the ones that took a bigger hit by the winter usually are repaired and graded closer to May.
I see an issue when we are talking about completely new stages. IIRC, Tanak and Sordo were doing Rally Fafe in 2020 and only couldn't run Felgueiras because it was a new stage for the WRC event. If this is applied all is fine to me.
Fair enough, but has this ever been refused? Unlikely. Especially if organisers are keen as it will also be good promotion/warm up for the WRC event.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Equator and Safari ran in identical dry conditions last year. The wet seasons are not that reliable any more due to climate change, last year was in May.
Thank you for refreshing my memory, I am getting old, one year seems like couple of weeks :PQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Have just been asked to co-drive in Croatia but too late to get time off work I think :rolleyes: :(
Having to work for a living majorly sucks……