Who will we see in next years WRC2 for Rally2 cars?
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Who will we see in next years WRC2 for Rally2 cars?
Mikkelsen
Mikkelsen - Toksport SKODAQuote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Bulacia - Toksport SKODA ?
Ingram - Toksport SKODA
Lindholm - Toksport ? SKODA
Heikkilä - TGS ? SKODA
Suninen - RedGrey ? Hyundai
Veiby - RedGrey ? Hyundai ?
López - ? Hyundai ?
McErlean - PCRS Hyundai ?
Tundo - ? Hyundai (1 event)
Huttunen - M-Sport Ford
Cais - M-Sport Ford ?
Prokop - M-Sport Ford ?
Pajari ? - M-Sport Ford ?
Østberg - TRT ? Citroën
Rossel - Sainteloc ? Citroën
Johnston - Sainteloc ? Citroën
Camilli- Sports & You ? Citroën
Gryazin - ?
Linnamäe - ?
Meeke!!!
Kajetanowicz?
Cais with Ford is pretty much confirmed. Car will be still prepared by Orsák Racing, but it's pretty possible that he will run under M-Sport banner.Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
Paddon - RedGrey ? Hyundai
Munster - BMA Hyundai ?
I have changed the name of this thread, so I hope it will be more understandable now. I have also moved "wrong" messages to the correct thread.
http://planetemarcus.com/sept-rallye...ngram-en-2022/
Ingram in Monte-Carlo, Croatia, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain and Northern Ireland (?)
With Toksport SkodaQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
He already had a two-year deal with them confirmed last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
No more one round outside Europe? This year it was changed, because Japan was cancelled, but next year should be Kenya, New Zealand and Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Considering that there won't be a separation between "works" teams and privateers (as there was WRC2 and WRC3 in 2021), I think there won't be this overseas obligation...Sporting Regulations should be published soon and then we will know for sure what will be necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
Cais confirmed in WRC2 Junior from Monte
Cerny full WRC3 season
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIKh51zX...jpg&name=large
rossel to have full wrc2 campaign with citroen and ph sport
Yohan Rossel
@Rosselyohan
Hello
@OfficialWRC
! ��
The moment has come for me to announce my full WRC2 programme with
@CitroenRacing
and
@PH__Sport
!
The adventure continues and we will fight to hold the #C3Rally2Family colours high !
See you in #RallyeMonteCarlo !
The Monte entry list is now out, complete with different variants on WRC participation
- Toksport with two teams, but Gryazin in "Toksport WRT 2" is not eligible for team points. Ingram is also ran by Toksport, but he is entered by "Chris Ingram".
- Yacco Accr Team has one Ford and one VW on the entry list.
- PH Sport runs Rossel's Citroen, Sainteloc Junior Team Camilli and Johnston.
- No "team" entries from Hyundai or M-Sport.
- Bulacia, Gryazin, Ingram, Cais and Munster are running for WRC2 Junior points
- Loix, Burri, Miele, Boland, Rosati, Raoux, Covi and Arengi for WRC2 Master points.
Well that settles that. 6.2.2 stands, teams must start with only 2 cars - M-Sport/Portugal was overlooked last year, and 6.4.3 is incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Hyundai and M-Sport will turn up, but I wonder if 20 entries was capped or what they received? It's small increase but higher numbers than previous years.
Seems the new 2022 WRC2 is no simpler than the previous WRC2/WRC3 - there are Team entries, second teams, Non-Team entries but run by the team and independent entries run by other non-Manu teams. plus Masters and Junior entrants !!
to me Monte entries look simple, same WRC2 for every driver + support category for some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
https://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/20...Entry-List.pdf
I don´t care who has entered the crew or which team has rented that car.
WRC2 is THE thing and others are just sub categories inside WRC2.
Last year was way more complicated!
It also looks like Hyundai could be Østbergs next project.
No cars entered by a factory bound team
According to the solbergs the Rally2 car is far from finished, and is not easy to drive.
What about Teemu?
I'd say that quote is more of a case of self-defence, than an objective assessment of the car's capabilities... if indeed Oliver has even said that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
I wonder if that would be the feedback, if he'd managed to win WRC2 / RC2 on an event in an i20 N Rally2, rather than 3 DNFs?
Suninen said the same about new Hyundai Rally2. I've translated his Finnish quotes somewhere, but if I remember it was mostly the handling that was awkward, going from understeer to oversteer too surprisingly. Hopefully something that can be rectified by dampers and setup, because there's not a lot that can be changed with the sparse homologation jokers.
They were all in the same (Rally 2) cars last year. But now it's still a mess with the number of sub-catagories, and who has more or less team support and amount of testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
The main thing is that we don't have anymore two parallel series's with the same car. It's tough for privateers, but the long-term plan is to forward some of them to WRC3 with Rally3 cars when they take their first steps in 4WD cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2022/wrc...-wrc2-line-up/
It appears that no one wants to drive WRC2 for M-Sport
They developed Rally3 and Rally4 before end of the year. Why they didn’t improve Rally2 car too? It is notorious that need some improvement.
Not a surprise, investing in a Rally2 M-Sport is probably the worst choice today from a strictly competitive point of view. IMO, M-Sport should have found a deal WRC championship + some Rally1 drives for Ostberg or Mikkelsen to help developing the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Should be a difficult year for them again in WRC-2; let’s hope Huttunen and Cais can deliver some good drives.
You said it, they spent 2021 developing Rally1, Rally3 and Rally4 so no time and resources for Rally2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
My suggestion: hire Huttunen and make him develop the car.
I was expecting they would confirm Huttunen in some way at this point.
Cool with 8 crews in MC driving in the new Master class.
Will be fun to follow the golden generation competing!
We wanted to bring this idea to ERC few years ago. It was refused by FIA...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
If things go well in Monte Carlo, we might see Freddy Loix (and Pieter Tsjoen) on more WRC2 rallies this year.
https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/...1496#gs.mnr39v
Suninen says that they start the WRC2 season later due to lack of spare parts caused by COVID-19. They also want to make good preparations and development tests.
Interesting. Erik Cais decided to bless his car before the new season:
https://www.facebook.com/erikcaisral...21496304613025
Some of you probably remember discussion about WRC 2 rules. So, the final outcome is that point 6.4.3 was wrong. Driver to be eligible to score Drivers' points can be registered by team or by himself. The later means that he can pay 3k euros, as in WRC 3 last year.
Suninen had said on Finnish TV that the chassis Solberg crashed in Finland is still under repair and that's one of the reasons they didn't start Monte (could also be related to lack of spare parts mentioned earlier or just busyness with Rally1)
After a 1st Rally, the new championship system for Rally2 seems better even if some things can be improved: the Junior and Masters championships does not mess up the global understanding. Could seem a little complex at the beginning but the comparison is clearer I think.
Some points could be improved:
- the Junior eligibility rule is a little too tricky in my opinion: I’m not sure comparing Gryazin or Bulacia (both 25th start in a R5/Rally2 in WRC and more than 20 in ERC for the Russian) with Cais (2nd WRC event and 12 ERC R5 event) and Munster (8th WRC event and 8 ERC R5 event) is totally fair. And, for example, Rossel has only 16 R5/Rally2 WRC évent (and no ERC) in career and he cannot participate, even if a little older; the same for Huttunen. But it’s always difficult to find a good rule to and, still, it gives an acceptable level of competition for the category with also Lindholm and Lopez to come and maybe others.
- the power stages point rules should be the same for all the championships, here is too specific (a rule for WRC, another for WRC2 and no point for the rest). Or at least the same for all which is not WRC.
Two things are quite useless but, as it has no effect on the global championship, never mind;
- the Masters thing, okay it helped to attract some drivers but I’m not sure it’s coherent with the development of WRC-3 championship and Rally3
- The team championship is useless (last year is a good evidence with Movisport win) but still, okay, it gives some visibility to a team such as Toksport so not really an issue. But, as Toksport is the only real team to play the game, the interest is really limited.
About Rally3, I’m still skeptical: as there is no young big names or good references and that this car is still below Rally2 level, it is really difficult to know what is the value of this championship; and when he wins the class, is he good or the others bad? And does his gap with Rally2 good or not? It was already the case in Rally4 to be honest but the difference was that there were more cars to compare and it was less expensive. So I’m not sure this more expensive solution is a good thing. Let’s hope it can succeed but I’m not sure of the principle.
The only positive is that it should help to have a very good high-level Junior championship in Rally4 in ERC as they cannot make WRC anymore.