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That's a shame - sad to see them go. I'd have rather see them survive than Caterham any day of the week as they at least managed to score 2 points.
Bummer. I was hoping they could be resurrected.
What a shame. Something needs to be done to allow people to pursue their dreams...
I´m upset about this.
The plucky hard triers like Marussia are one of the major points of interest in F1 for me.
Do you hear that Bernie? One of the main reasons I follow F1 is for the small teams and their hopes and progress.
I've been keeping an eye on the team and admired how they have always consolidated and improved, doing it on so little. Just that not many noticed... Pound for pound in the way they are run, I consider them a top team, certainly ahead of teams like Ferrari.
The harsh reality is that teams like Marussia, Caterham and HRT are no different to the likes of Coloni, AGS, Scuderia Italia, Pacific, Larousse and many others - nothing more than footnotes in the F1 history books that few will remember 5 minutes after they are gone. Bernie doesn't care as they never made him any money. Ferrari, Williams, and McLaren don't care either truth be told. Should they care? Bloody hell they should because without them the sport that makes Bernie money, gave and continues to give Ferrari it's allure and is the only reason McLaren and Williams exist is in danger of turning into an incestuous orgy of inbreeding that will leave the sport resembling a grotesque shadow of it's once glorious past.
F1 needs to rethink every facet of itself starting with Bernie and then moving on to it's governance and financial structures. F1 can't continue to be run by vested interests. Without change the sport is dead.
Nothing too unexpected here in truth. Back in 2010 we had HRT, Marussia (Virgin), and Caterham (Fake Lotus) all join F1 under the promise of reduced costs, whilst the likes of Prodrive (Aston Martin) were turned down.
In simple terms we had three teams enticed into F1 when they simply couldnt afford to do so.
Thing is, Prodrive intended to run a customer car...
As you know, Rj I am with you. F1 with 14 cars and all large teams bores the pants off me.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjbetty
Marussia deserved to survive until 2015 and at least have a chance of using there money from those 2 points. I hope Caterham can survive, but I doubt it now.
So, how the BOSS GP series going?
That was their 2008 proposed entry. For 2010 it was a customer engine only, or so I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Somebody
I see Mannor F1 have made an entry for 2015. Can they pull this off?
Someone seems to have pointed out the prize money situation to the administrators... http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/11/19/m...-to-abu-dhabi/
I'm confused. So will the team be at Abu Dhabi or not?
like getting more money?Quote:
Originally Posted by N. Jones
Although I am sentimental about stuff like this (sometimes), it is also worthwhile to look at it in a pragmatic way..what exactly did Marussia bring to the table...it has happened before and will happen again. Another backmarker will take its place someday.
on a side note, Mallya is pursuing his dream of a F1 team by pumping money/selling stakes to other equally dubious companies while keeping employees in his airline company away from their salaries for months :rolleyes:
Sorry Storm old pal, but I think you have it slightly wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm
I get that Marussia were not legends of F1. You may say that Minardi didn't bring much to F1, but in my opinion they were fantastic for F1.
Minardi and many other small teams, may not get shown on the TV that much, but they add drama and good racing down the field, which at live events adds alot to a spectators spectacle.
Also I think its clear that its less and less likely that "another team will show up" I mean the costs these days mean teams cannot just be set up and race in F1 for a few years.
Now its extremely rare to have a new team enter F1. Go back 20/30 years and we still had incredibly small outfits able to enter F1 at the back and add to the racing.
Afterall IMO 26 cars racing even if in almost 2 catergories (i.e 16 competative cars and 10 slower cars) is better than 16 cars all told.
I want more cars for more racing. Simple as that. F1 these days will never allow this though because its too expensive just to get an entry
Hear hear! Bring back prequalifying and 20 teams! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by steveaki13
Aye I agree, gone are the days when an F1 team could be set up with a car built in someones garden shed, I mean look at 1989, we had 20 teams running 39 cars and 16 of those teams managed to score points (one of the smaller teams even got on the podium once), we will never see those likes again and to me, that is sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by steveaki13
Nowadays you need a hi-tech factory, a staff of at least 250 to even function properly, be required to run 2 cars (some teams in the late 1980's ran only 1 car) and have a large 8 figure budget to satisfy the FIA's financial suitability criteria. But that doesnt account for the cost of your engine deal, we know those Hybrid units cost four times as much compared to the V8's of old so no wonder teams are struggling, even looking at budgets, Marussia went under despite having a reported annual budget of £60million, which would have been more than enough to fund a championship winning team say 20 years ago.
And its worse if youre a completely new team, youll have to pay for your own travel and freight to races unless you finish in the top 10 in 2 out of 3 seasons, and even then that prize money is withheld for 12 months.
The whole process just absolutely stinks. and when Haas enter in 2016, I just hope they dont go the same way
I see the point of Storm, and then I see the point raised by Steve and others.
Well, let's put it this way. While looking at things in isolation, you indeed may not see that Marussia has added much to the F1 grid. Are they there at the back or not, doesn't make much of a difference.
But the fate of Marussia is part of the bigger face of F1. It shows that for new teams to come into F1 and become successful has become almost impossible, which the points raised by Dazzla also illustrate. Also the FOM money sharing between teams is massively skewed to put it lightly - you are not let near the pot, and while you are having trouble building up your own team, other teams have budgets + FOM income in place, how the hell are you supposed to compete against them?
Also the number of cars shows the health of F1 grid. I have once read a statement, which I think has a point - a grid consisting of less than 20 cars is never a sign of a healthy racing series. Somebody has to be a backmarker as well. If we take backmarkers like Marussia away, we would have less than 20 cars. I don't think that's fine.
Even if backmarkers may not add much in terms of competition, they are still a natural part of sport, just like frontrunners and midfielders are. Everyone has their role. If you took away all backmarkers, some seasons would become very sparse. For example recall 1995-1996, when I think we had only 7-8 teams, who could be considered at least midfield class - others were all backmarkers, who only through some major luck could get points. And in terms of speed they were consistently many seconds off front-runners.
http://m.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/319...auctioned-off/
Sounds like it's definitely game over for Marussia. Not too impressed with the job their administrator has done vs. the Caterham people.
A friend of mine had his redundancy letter and its extremely rare something like that would have been revoked if there was a chance they would be saved. I feel sorry for everybody who lost their jobs in Banbury and surrounding area's. At least it is F1 country and teams like Lotus, Williams, Mercedes, Force India, and Red Bull are all close.
On Sky's 'ask crofty' special on Friday, he said that he had spoken to Graham Lowdon and he had told him that the money was in place for the team to be sold. Hopefully it will go through.
Marussia and other small teams add an enormous amount to F1 for me.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-30394940
"F1 Marussia: Folded team's assets auctioned"
I agree, but its not just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by steveaki13
Smaller teams provide a chance for young talent to learn their trade and I'm not just talking about drivers but mechanics and engineers too. Ferrari for example wouldn't be so great if it couldn't poach Minardi's best mechanics and engineers.
Also although rare smaller teams can change into more successful ones with capital injection. I'm thinking of FI which up until a few years ago was an embarrassment at the back called Midland/Spyker, or STR which was Minardi. This year's WCC was won by a team that was usually second last in the mid/late 1990s, beating a team to second place that in the early 2000's was causing its owners Ford no end of trouble barely able to call itself midfield at the time. The third best team this year started off with the team owner renowned for scrounging off other teams so he earned the name 'wanker Williams' and until he got Saudi sponsorship didn't exactly threaten the points finishes that often.
Its a shame to lose Marussia and Caterham, both were victims of being owned by people who didn't understand the sport, weren't really interested in it for its own sake and stopped investing money when they failed to make a financial case for themselves. Marussia's end was especially pointless, had the owner not been so bloody minded in the price he demanded for the team he might have found a buyer and they had a good prize haul coming their way for 2015 too.
http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story...auction-121614
"Gene Haas to bid on Marussia F1's assets at auction"
Haas has apparently bought the Marussia factory yet there are rumours the team will race on this year with new ownership.
Must be someone with facilities.. I'm guessing Kolles.
If Marussia get an exeption to run the 2014 car in the early races, Hass could run them to collect the prize money from last year and then use them as starting point for his own team.
There is always debate about whether the small teams add anything to F1. My point is simple, if the small teams... Caterham, Marussia etc go from the grid, then surely the next two teams up the ladder (Sauber and STR) become the small teams that no one loves, so are they then a waste of time and if they leave, then Toleman and Force India becoem the small teams.... where does it stop?
True Caterham and Marussia have been less than usefull. In Caterham's case no top 10 finishes in 4 years possibly makes them the worst F1 team of all time (even AGS scored a smattering of points), but someone has to finish at the back.
Nope - Andrea Moda.Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield5
11 - Did Not Pre Qualify
3 - Did Not Qualify
2 - Did Not Attend
1 - Excluded
1 - Did Not Finish
Out of 18 attempts, they only got 1 car to any grid where it qualified 26th of 26 and in the race lasted 11 laps.
Perry McCarthy went out at Silverstone in a car with no engine. It was pushed down pit lane where it crossed the timing line and then came to a rest.
Caterham have got cars to the end of Grands Prix. They aren't so terrible.
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/21/m...vestor-report/
" Noah Joseph
Marussia, it turns out, may not be down for the count just yet. The troubled Formula One team collapsed three races before the end of last season under the weight of its own debt, but now reports are indicating that a new deal is in the works that could bring the team back from the brink.
Although the identity of the secret investor has yet to be disclosed, team principal John Booth told the BBC that the team was "at a fairly advanced stage with a new investor – a credible investor." With the ies still to dot and the tees to cross, the owners of the troubled team have reportedly postponed the second of two auctions to liquidate its assets. Though its base of operations in Banbury, UK, has (along with other assets) reportedly been acquired by the new Haas outfit, the team's cars are said to still be sitting in Abu Dhabi where the final race of the season – in which the team did not compete – was held.
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it looks like Caterham is official gone
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/17...ntial-investor
“Caterham, I don’t think there is much chance of saving them, but Marussia there is a chance. Maybe within 10 days I think we will be able to say whether it is going to happen or not.”
I thought Haas had acquired the Marussia facility in Banbury and much of their equipment has already been auctioned off? It will be interesting to see where they go. They better get shopping and find some premises.
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Originally Posted by Rollo
True Rollo, but Andrea Moda survived for less than a single season as Andrea Moda. In their previous life as Coloni they finished 8th in only their 7th start, and true this was their best finish (there were only 3 others) in four years.
So if you include this as being the same team my point stands up. If you count Andrea Moda as a new and unique entity, it is hard to judge due to the brevity of their stay. But I do accept you point about the dire effort Moda put forward, and going on the numbers, they were quite probably the worst of the worst
They look like they are back .
Justin King , ex-Sainsbury's boss , who happens to have his kid , Jordan , running GP2 this year , is part of a group confirmed to be bringing Manor onto the grid this year .
The old factory premises was sold off , but maybe there is an old grocery store somewhere nearby that they could convert into a home base .
Here's the latest.
You gotta hand it to them for tenacity.
Hope this is true. Even though they never set the grid alight, they are another team and who knows, if they keep Ferrari engines they might even have a change of scraping the odd point scoring race through the season.