Very sad news that we didn't want to hear :(
I thought that we could probably do with a separate thread to discuss this and keep track of his condition.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29496295
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Very sad news that we didn't want to hear :(
I thought that we could probably do with a separate thread to discuss this and keep track of his condition.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29496295
This is terrible news. In my humble opinion, Bianchi is one of the rising stars of F1. The reason he is not given enough credit is that he is driving a car that's destined to be in the back of field. I hope he recovers and continues his dream of F1 racing.
I have seen a very sad and horrible photo of the car wedged behind the tractor and a Doctor holding Jules helmet.
The roll hoop has been completely removed by colliding with the tractor. He must have had a massive hit on the head.
I won't post the picture here, because some may not want to see it.
At least the helmet looks in one piece
I've seen the picture too, for me I guess it depends which direction the car was heading, if it was backwards then the lack of roll hoop may not be as bad, if it's gone in forwards, then the whole car has gone through. Struggling to feel optimistic, but being in surgery has to be better than it could be
The close up of that picture, looks worryingly like the back of his helmet is actually damaged. Hard to tell, but worrying if true.
this is very sad news.
he is in a coma now but breathing on his own
gutted for bianchi
Bianchi out of surgery
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29499545
Gut wrenching news. He's one of the better people you can find in the paddock. He's an excellent driver that is deserving a better drive. Unfortunately, I'm guessing this incident will render him unable to compete for the rest of this season. :(
What a horrible accident. Let's hope and pray for the best.
I didn't think Bianci will be back even next year. These head injuries seem to take at least two years. If you look at drivers like Wedlinger, Hakkinen, and even Massa, they were not back to normal for at least two seasons.
The good news for now is that Bianci seems to be stable enough that we are not getting any farther news. Now it's like with Schumacher ..... a waiting game.
Very sad indeed..I guess not even the race winners are feeling that happy tonight. Atleast he is now stable, so let us hope for the best.
I hope he is going to be okay. My thoughts are with him and his family.
Formula 1 has done a lot of work in the past 20 years on improving safety for the drivers, but it has also been very lucky.
I think that this was a freak accident and its luck ran out.
The news seems to be better than was anticipated in the immediate aftermath of the accident.
Hopefully Jules will make a full recovery.
According to French newspapers Bianchi has suffered another cerebral haemorrhage after the surgery and now has to be given artificial respiration ...
A freak accident, yes, but not one that couldn't be foreseen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranger
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/m...l-1570271.html
It's something that Brundle mentions in his commentary every time he sees one of these vehicles in an exposed position. I'm sure something will be done about it now. Low-level guards fitted around the vehicles perhaps.
I'm reminded of poor Maria de Villota as well; hers was also a freak accident, but also involved a vehicle with the wrong-sized space underneath.
Is it my dodgy memory or in the past did they not make more use of cranes to remove the cars? I wonder if the mini digger type vehicles is a cost saving thing?
Some places used cranes while others had these tractor type thingies - but yes pulling a car out of the track while not exposing the said vehicle/marshalls by using a crane behind the barriers should be the way forward. Or a SC at the very least and not just yellow flags at that corner.
I do think that F1 needs to do something about the safety car procedures when retrieving a car but I don't believe the safety car every time there is a car off is the solution either because it erodes any lead someone might have.
A better solution might be cranes but then what about the marshals? There has to be a better way of retrieving cars without putting anyone's life in jeopardy.
I really Hope Bianchi recovers from this. That is the most important thing right now.
The is video available of the incident. Do not search for it unless you really feel the need to see it. Some do, and I understand that. I needed to know more and I have seen it. What is clear is all the guards or rails or whatever around a tractor would be useless, it would just destroy a car in a different way. They have spent millions making the tracks and the cars safer, then jeopardize it all by allowing such vehicles to be on the wrong side of the barrier. It may be a minute chance of occurring, but the outcome I have just watched is unacceptable. A better way has to be found. As a side note, it is incredible we don't also have a bunch of dead marshalls.
Caution again if you want to watch the video, you cannot unsee it
It looks like F1 has squashed all the video that's out there. I found four or fice of them, but they were all bland screens that say "This video contains content from Formula One Management, who has blocked it on copyright grounds."
The trouble is, the only reason Jules car hit the truck is due to a an extreme freak coming together of circumstances;Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
Jules car was travelling at significant speed, this being in fading light, heavy rain and double waved yellows - why so fast?
The truck was reversing into the trajectory of Jules out of control (but moving nose forward in a straight trajectory)Marussia
The rear of the truck had a sloping overhang, cruelly just at the height of an F1 cockpit.
As harsh as it might sound, this is a dangerous sport. We should not lose sight of the fact that a marshall was killed last year (I think) in Canada.... we carried on then, is this to be seen as any different than another sad but freak accident?
Not all. At least not on Spanish sports newspapers sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Austin
balls :/
there needs to be a huge shakeup at the top of F1 - It was stupid this race was allowed to progress when the rains arrived again Plus the did not even listen to one of the top drivers. This great sport is turning to SH!T !!!!!!
Most of the field was still on intermediates when the incident happened, so it surely can't be the case that the conditions were fundamentally unsafe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
For those who do want to see the video there's a one here. http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=818_1412603603
Horrible, horrible incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
TBH though I'm not surprised that we've seen someone hit a recovery vehicle, it's just so tragic that it was in such a way. To my mind there has been an issue for a long time, one is that these telehandlers are allowed to go trackside while the race is live. Whilst most of us don't want to see a safety car, they do exist for a reason and would have stopped this from happening. The other is that the drivers routinely ignore the flags. In the UK a yelow flag is defined in the MSA Blue Book as:
"Yellow flag – Waved: Great danger. Slow down considerably. Be prepared to suddenly change from the projected racing line, or take other evasive action including stopping if necessary"
Drivers clearly haven't been doing this for years, and now one of them has paid a very heavy price for it. There isn't a great rethink to be had here, just get back to drivers actually following the rules and stewards enforcing them.
As for the rain...well it was a factor, but if Bianchi had followed the rules, no problem. There's no big rethink to be had on that front in my mind.
I disagree. It's an easily avoidable incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Someone mentioned canopies on the race thread, I actually don't see this as something a copy would have helped with. BUT there are two things which people have touched on.
1. Why was he going so quick in a yellow flag zone? If he wasn't so horrendously injured he should be getting a race ban. He needlessly endangered his life and the lives of the trackside workers.
2. Where was the safety car? Where was the full track yellow? By having a zone of yellows you still reward a driver for driving quickly through the yellow flags....
I'm sorry, but this is the typical motorsportforums F1 forum way of dealing with it..... ie it doesn't happen all of the time so it's termed as being a freak incident so do nothing and hope it doesn't happen again. It happened to Brundle before, once is too many times for this sort of thing, twice is just a joke. It's not going to kill the sport to have safety cars more often and be harder on drivers who are driving faster than they should be in these sorts of conditions, it might have already killed a driver to not be harsher though......
Really horrible accident - the Marussia even lifts the tractor and turns it about 90 degrees. Very, very heavy impact.
If Bianchi would have touched the back of the tractor with his head directly, he would have been dead before the wreck standing still. Hope he survives - and in a more livable way than it is feared of Michael Schumacher ..
oh my, not good newsQuote:
Originally Posted by WUff1
fingers crossed...
Wow that was a horrible impact. Even more than you have in your mind before seeing it.
I noticed Brundle looked very shaken by the incident. Having had almost the same accident himself in 1994 and ever since worrying about that happening.
wow that was awfulQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I can only surmise that something went wrong with his car. there seems to be no way with double waved yellows he would travel straight at that rate of speed
i know the conditions played their part, but everybody was slowing down but he wasn't. it seems like he was still going at full speed
now that i've seen it, the injuries and his condition i suspect are much worse than i though.
Hang in the Jules and make a full recovery!
It's incredible that one of the marshals around sutils car were hurt... you can see them scrambling...
useless MD/Marca videos are always geo specific :sQuote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
That video is something though...what is mind boggling is that the marshall above the crane/tractor thingie is STILL waving his stupid green flag after Bianchi hits :(
Thinking again, after the Sutil crash, automatically that corner had yellow flags, then who decides (the marshall or race control?) to wave green flags at the SAME corner when the car is actually being moved by an external vehicle inside the barricades?
The team's insistence that news be delayed until the family has had a chance to arrive to Japan . . . does not sound good. I hope and pray that I am wrong.
I doubt there was a car issue, with the green flag being shown he would have got back on the gas, and in all likelyhood simply aquaplaned on standing water, if this happens, no amount of steering imput or brakes would alter the trajectory of the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Hopefully Jules will recover, but after seeing footage of the accident....
I would assume the camera angle is deceiving. I assume he was the marshall post beyond the incident (thus green flags to say "you are past the accident"Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm
If not, its some dumb ass marshalling right there
I wonder whether a system like we saw at Le Mans this year, where there are specific caution zones, would be a good way of effectively throwing a safety car but without bunching the pack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtseGcIX6WM
Slightly different in endurance stuff but it worked very well there, and the negatives are far fewer than a full safety car.
I agree Mr Jan
That struck me at Le Man as a truly good idea.
Yes, I feel for all those reasons that this can hardly be put into the 'freak accident' category. What happened to poor Henry Surtees was a 'freak accident'. This is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
With the exception of Brundle's mishap, I can't think of another similar incident in an F1 race. Why has this happened now? Well, it's very hard for any layman to come to a hard conclusion, but I too would suggest that driver behaviour in relation to flag signals has deteriorated. Without wishing to conflate two current issues, maybe the increased reliance on pits-to-car communication is partially to blame? It does seem true that F1 drivers (I don't see the same thing happening in other formulae) are more likely nowadays to miss or ignore flag signals.
Yes, a very interesting idea. So long as the reliance is kept on the drivers taking heed of the signals, I'm all for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan