[WRC] Rally Finland 2013

Never too early to start a thread on Rally Finland...

Here's a link (Finnish) to a little newspiece that states for the first in public (at least I haven't saw any) that this year's edition will use stages in Lahti region as has been the case in 2011 and 2012 as well. Let's just hope they'd add a stage or two there, making it more proper than last year's excursion. However, SSS Jokimaa, the lame trotting track stage, is most likely not to be used because it never really reached the popularity it would demand to be worthy to build.

There's also some rumouring that extra event Vetomies (Gr.F) would make a return, which of course has meaning only to ones spectating the event live. Perhaps another extra rally with old 4WD cars too...

RG1 should be out some time in late February, I think.

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Originally Posted by Hartusvuori

RG1 should be out some time in late February, I think.

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Can´t wait.... :bounce:

Strong rumour:

SS1 Himos (with that ski hill stadion part)

and then towards Lahti

Siim Plangi told that NORF is in his plans with Evo 10 R4 if I am not mistaken

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Originally Posted by pantealex

Strong rumour:

SS1 Himos (with that ski hill stadion part)

and then towards Lahti

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After Himos it could be Hassi...

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Originally Posted by pantealex

Strong rumour:

SS1 Himos (with that ski hill stadion part)

and then towards Lahti

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If any Finnish forumers listened to that radio show last Monday (Yle Urheiluilta) with some talk about this year's edition, it was mentioned that Lahti leg should include stages near Lahti as well as stages on the way there and on the way back. SS Himos would clearly fit that picture, where as SS Hassi is more difficult if Ouninpohja will be run again (not impossible though, of course). There are stages to choose from near Lahti, then most likely SS Mynnilä on the way back. I would whole-heartedly welcome SS Himos back, but I guess there have been reasons why it hasn't been included in the rally last two times. We will see.

[quote="Hartusvuori"] I would whole-heartedly welcome SS Himos back, but I guess there have been reasons why it hasn't been included in the rally last two times. QUOTE]

Why is that?

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Originally Posted by Hartusvuori

I would whole-heartedly welcome SS Himos back, but I guess there have been reasons why it hasn't been included in the rally last two times.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Why is that?

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I've only heard rumours, so in public I'd like to leave the matter to those that know it in detail. But in my opinion the stage could hardly be considered as bad by organisers, if you look at it from sporting point of view (challenging stage with different kind of parts, prooved to be a decisive stage few times in mid 00's) or from organisational point of view (central location, with end part in ski loops making it a proper forest stage + kind of SSS).

MM-ralliin uusia erikoiskokeita Päijänteen länsipuolelle - Moottoriurheilu - ESS.fi

Here's a recent interview with clerk of the course Kai Tarkiainen (in Finnish, of course). It doesn't say anything in detail, just comfirms the fact that they are planning more stages between Jyväskylä and Lahti (west side of Lake Päijänne). They are talking about new stages, but is that new-new stages or new compared to last year, it's up to how the journalist have interpreted the answers. We'll know for sure only when RG1 is out. But there won't be any changes for part back on the east side of Lake Päijänne, so most likely that's SS Mynnilä then. Also, I don't remember hearing anywhere that those Lahti stages would be on Thursday.

Afaik there has not been many stages near the west side of lake Päijänne so it would be interesting. The map below is from 1994. I t would be of course better if the stages would be closer to Päijänne but with some or all of the stages 18, 19 and 24 the distance is between 90 – 110 km from the west side of the stages to Lahti.


From the west side of stage 24 it's about 95 km to Lahti, from the west side of stage 18 it's about 110 km to Lahti and from the west side of stage 19 it's about 90 km to Lahti.


The east side of Päijänne has been used much more. The second map is also from 1994 and the third is from 1988 (In 1998 there was 39 stages and 500,18 SS km :) ). Stage 5 is part of Mynnilä.

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Look at this...
Tusen Sjöars Rally 1984 WRC - YouTube Finland 1984 :-)

Will the Shakedown be run on Thursday or is it possible that it will be on Wednesday?

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Originally Posted by MartijnS

Will the Shakedown be run on Thursday or is it possible that it will be on Wednesday?

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It´s yet to be announced. Wait until end of this month...

Route schedule for this year's NORF should be published this or next week, I believe.

In AKK's magazine (from last week) it says that there'll be rallying for 4 days from Wednesday July 31st (QS) to Saturday August 3rd. Rally will start on Thursday August 1st with "more stages than it've been lately". SSS Killeri will be run as last stage of the day on Thursday and Friday. Killeri on Thursday for sure means a different kind of approach to Lahti stages than in 2012, or then it'll be like in 2011 with Thursday afternoon near Jyväskylä and Lahti stages then either on Friday or Saturday. No other stage names mentioned than Killeri.

On Friday and Saturday there'll be sub-event Vetomies and Nelivetomies (4WD). I don't know exactly how these are run or regulated, but they mention "vintage WRC cars" in the article so.... we'll see :-)

We´ve booked Sokos hotel at Paviljonki on wednesday until thursday. Hope they don´t start too early on Thursday though. I´m thinking of having a gadering on Sokos hotel bar wednesday evening for our forumers. How about that? Room for changes possible of course.

No news on the route yet.

However, it was announced that Tuulilasi magazine will provide the official spectator's guide this year, as they did for the first time last year. However, VM will do their own guide too. Let's see what will follow...

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Originally Posted by Hartusvuori

No news on the route yet.

However, it was announced that Tuulilasi magazine will provide the official spectator's guide this year, as they did for the first time last year. However, VM will do their own guide too. Let's see what will follow...

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Route and maps to come this week. RG1 end of March.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Route and maps to come this week.

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Tomorrow...

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The total length of the route is 1567,87 kilometres. It comprises 23 special stages, which add up to 327,34 km in all.

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Neste Oil Rally Finland route 2013 - Rally as its purest

Thursday 1.8.2013

Start+RF Paviljonki

SS 1 Himos 1 5,50 km, 12:15
SS 2 Torittu 1 8,40 km, 13:40

Refuel Padasjoki

SS 3 Koukunmaa 13,68 km, 15:18

Regroup & Refuel Padasjoki

SS 4 Torittu 2 8,40 km, 17:34
SS 5 Himos 2 10,20 km, 19:00
SS 6 Killeri 1 2,06 km, 20:30

Service Paviljonki 45 min
Total: 48,24 km

Friday 2.8.2013
Service+RF Paviljonki 15 min

SS 7 Jukojärvi 1 22,50 km, 9:48
SS 8 Palsankylä 1 13,92 km, 10:56

Refuel Höytiä

SS 9 Mökkiperä 1 13,64 km, 11:41
SS 10 Lankamaa 1 23,30 km, 12:44

RG+Service+RF Paviljonki 13+30 min

SS 11 Jukojärvi 2 22,50 km, 15:36
SS 12 Palsankylä 2 13,92 km, 16:44

Refuel Höytiä

SS 13 Mökkiperä 2 13,64 km, 17:29
SS 14 Lankamaa 2 23,30 km, 18:32
SS 15 Killeri 2 2,06 km, 20:30

Service Paviljonki 45 min
Total: 148,78 km

Saturday 3.8.2013
Service+RF Paviljonki 15 min

SS 16 Surkee 1 14,95 km, 8:26
SS 17 Leustu 1 9,90 km, 9:24

Refuel Jämsä

SS 18 Ouninpohja 1 33,01 km, 10:32
SS 19 Painaa 1 7,30 km, 11:50

RG+Service+RF Paviljonki 13+30 min

SS 20 Surkee 2 14,95 km, 14:04
SS 21 Leustu 2 9,90 km, 15:02

Refuel Jämsä

SS 22 Ouninpohja 2 33,01 km, 16:10

Regroup Jämsä 30 min

SS 23 Painaa 2 (PwrS) 7,30 km, 18:11

Podium Paviljonki 20:00
Total: 130,32 km

Great info thanks :up: about time to start my trip-plan :D

Jukojärvi and Lankamaa are driven to opposite direction than last Year...

How are Surkee or Leustu run - direction, I mean? Also interesting to see how Himos is made, if for second run it makes a loop of 5+ kms drivers will drive twice with - was it - 30 second intervals. Always nice to have new old stages too.

Altogether, looks like some groundwork must be done about the route. Now bring on entries... :-)

I like that route! Very good.

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How are Surkee or Leustu run - direction, I mean?

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Surkee is first stage after SP so I think that it's same direction than last year.

Generally quite short stages. Ouni is only over 30km stage and then Jukojärvi and Lankamaa are over 20km. All others are less than 15km. It's a little disappointment for me...

So QS is on Wednesday on Ruuhimäki?

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

So QS is on Wednesday on Ruuhimäki?

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Yes.

The first thing I noticed were how short most stages are!

But nice to see Ouninpohja back twice again :)

Any maps ..... to dreaming.....first days of August.......

The power stage has a suitable name, Painaa = press / push. :)

Ari Vatanen's son might drive NORF this year:

Max Vatanen rallissa mukana jo ensi vuonna? - YouTube (only in Finnish)

So, Kubica's rally calendar includes rally Finland. I'm looking forward to see him driving here.

Rally guide published.

Competitors - Neste Oil Rally Finland

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Rally guide published.

Competitors - Neste Oil Rally Finland

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Has ever SS2/4 Torittu used in Finnish Rally Championship or F-Cup?

I don’t know about F-Cup but it was used in NORF 1985.

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I don’t know about F-Cup but it was used in NORF 1985.

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In 1984 too :) So... no chance for onboards. Maybe that's even better :)

Torittu has also been used in 1978 and 1983.

The another new old stage Painaa has been used in 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986. :)

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So what about Itenary for NORF?

I would have wanted some more new stages, and more mileage...

It seems we´re getting more and more Mickey Mouse stages even in NORF...

At least it's more mileage than last year. But for sure the stages appear something we are very used to. Torittu and Himos are new, Painaa kind of new and some other well known stages are run reversed, so it's something.

Looking from spectator point of view, it's okeyish. Thursday is more friendly with schedule, no need to drive south of Lahti nor stay on stages near midnight. For Friday 3-4 stages is possible, same for Saturday. And even if stages are same, there are plenty of corners and jumps to choose from.

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At least it's more mileage than last year. But for sure the stages appear something we are very used to. Torittu and Himos are new, Painaa kind of new and some other well known stages are run reversed, so it's something.

Looking from spectator point of view, it's okeyish. Thursday is more friendly with schedule, no need to drive south of Lahti nor stay on stages near midnight. For Friday 3-4 stages is possible, same for Saturday. And even if stages are same, there are plenty of corners and jumps to choose from.

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For sure. But my expectations were a lot more. Though I´m sure it will all be very nice in the end.

How about torittu stage? Anything nice at that one?

Our plan is to do recce on Torittu, Himos (which I believe they will run down the ski slope) and Painaa on our way from Helsinki up to Jyväskylä on Wednesday. Painaa by the way, will be very fast up to first junction, then thru the big trees for 200 m and right on small road for a couple i kilometers, to the left in junction which was so hard for many drivers (amongst them Sandell) coming from reversed direction. Then only a couple of hundred meters and finnish. I´m I right??