Driver - Webber
Donkey - Pastor
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Driver - Webber
Donkey - Pastor
Driver of the Day: I'd like to give to Massa
Donkey: Kobay
Not sure about the Perez/Maldonado incident and nor is it easy to have much sympathy for Pastor these days.
Spot on :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Webber pulled off a good old-fashioned no nonsense non-DRS pass on Alonso (who, to be fair, gave Webber proper respect and racing room). Massa deserves a pat on the back for a decent performance too.
Donkey definately Pastor, it was yet another bone-headed move from someone who is gaining a poor reputation; and Kobayashi is honourable donkey for clattering into half his pit crew and toppling them like dominoes.
Driver~Webber
Donkey~Egornado
ditto ditto ditto
Webber perfect against a very fast Ferrari (just see where even Massa ended ;) :p ) :up:
Donkeys are Maldonado and Sauber (latter for the whole weekend). It is just mindblowing, how many points these competitors have thrown away this season despite having a really fast car.
Driver? Webber, Alonso. Grosjean for a good recovery (have to look again, how responsible he was for the first lap incident though).
Driver: Webbo
Donkey: anyone who expected this race to be exciting. I don't know about you, but I found it rather boring...
Driver of the Day:
Fernando Alonso - For me he drove a brilliant race, and I thought he deserved a win, but unfortunately his tyres were not up to it at the end.
Other Mentions:
Mark Webber - Great drive and chose his moment well, the move was brave but he was helped by DRS. That is the 0.5% which makes me give the DOTD to Fernando
Massa- He drove really well and was like the Massa of old. Good job.
Grosjean - He got involved early on, but showed brilliant pace and commitment to recover to 6th. That pass on Rosberg into maggotts and becketts, when he just left his foot flat down and let Rosberg avoid a massive crash. That showed balls.
It wouldn't surprise me if Maldonado got a one-race ban or at least a suspended ban. He reminds me a little of Irvine pre-Ferrari, with similar cockiness. I like him, but he probably needs his leash yanked.
I always knew you were a closet Petrov fan! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
it was a good and entertaining raceQuote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
seems trendy to come on here and proclaim a race (any race) boring.
I'm not sure if you watched the race, but it was far from boring
I am severely disappointed by the mclaren performance, but I would not call the race boring, with action up and down the grid.
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
It's how F1 should be, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
It should be tense, suspense at something might happen, will happen; not countless meaningless overtakes, say Barcelona.
The first 20 laps were great. The drivers battled all over the track the track was a challenge and early pitstops mixed it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
Then the last 30 or so the cars got 3-5 seconds apart and stayed there, intersected only by the odd DRS move.
People on TV always say thank goodness for no rain, but I don't mind admitting I was hoping for a wet race today.
The reason being, Silverstone tends in recent years to be either brilliant or dull. No in between.
Great races recently: 2000,2002,2003,2008,2011.
Dull: 2001,2004,2005,2006,2007,2009,2010.
On balance this was an in between Great first half, dull second half.
Yup. It's a shame that I could only remember the latter. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by aki13
Personally, the thing I care the most is the battle for podium positions, and there didn't seem to be much of it, apart from the Vettel-Massa-Hamilton fight, which was pretty much done after the first pitstops. Even in the end, when Webber was behind Alonso, there was no tension whatsoever - with Webber being between half a second and a second faster, I expected him to get past Alonso in no time.
Edit: come to think about it, the fact that I had to spend something like a third of the race watching advertisements must have played a large part in my boredom. :mad:
What a Donkey I am, I forgot to list my Donkies.
Maldonado - He cracked under pressure again and wiped out Perez.
Sauber - They looked so fast and yet have nothing to show for it.
Kobayashi - For attacking his pit crew.
Rosberg - No pace
Thats my thoughts. There was no epic tension of a battle of years past. Will Webber overtake or can Alonso drive a brilliant defensive last 5 lapsQuote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
? With DRS you no the answer to both.
I no I am going to be hated and given a bashing for saying that.
Fortunately today Webber made the pass on Alonso well away from the DRS zone. He did have the advantage of DRS in some previous laps to help him close the gap, but remember that much of the time backmarkers allowed the Ferrari to also use DRS.Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
Didn't Mark pass him outside of Brooklands after using DRS down the Wellington Straight??Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Yes, he did. He got really close to Alonso and used DRS + Alonso's tow to overtake him.Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
Was Alonso managing his tyres for that stint or was that his true pace? It was great magnificent overtake. Alonso gave breathing space and still tried to fight back.Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
People say how great this year's tyres are yet if you're on the wrong tyre at the wrong moment you're a sitting duck.
Piquet was in a similar situation in 1987 and yet it produced one of the all time great overatakes.
I for one have no problem what so ever to be a donkey. The race was pretty much settled until the lat 10 laps. Unless it was deemed dull because Fred didn't win, on contrary, it was one of the more exciting finishes of the season. Fred used up his rubber when he was battling Lewis and Mark took advantage of it. I'd say it's a fair result the end of the day. At least the tires didn't went off as they did in Canada if I recall correctly. Massa did a better job with the softs in a heavier fuel load egQuote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
Hen he needed to overtake Shuey early in the race.
Drivers: Mark, Romain and Massa
Best team: Red Bull for great call on Seb's stops in the first stint
Donkeys:Mclaren, Mercedes, Pastor and Koba
What the hell is going on with Rosberg?
Drivers, Webbo, Grosjean.
Simples, Webber for driver, Pastor for donkey (again). If it wasn't for the spain win i think there would be calls for his head, given the number of good points scoring finishes he's thrown away now (Oz, Valencia, GB off the top of my head)
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Drivers: Webber, Alonso, Schumacher.
Honourable mention to Massa who should have no problems retaining a drive if he consistently performs as well as today.
Donkeys: Maldonado, honourable mention to Kobayashi.
Drivers: Webber - beat Vettel and can win title if he keeps this up. Wonder how he goes towards end of season tracks though...
Schumacher - 28 sec ahead of Rosberg, > +0.5sec fastest lap. Similar gaps in Malaysia, Valencia and probably Australia. Rosberg only really really beat him in China (maybe Spain?) and yet Rosberg is destroying Michael...?
Grosjean - 7sec behind Raikkonen, 17sec behind winner. Pitted for repairs on lap 1.
Donkeys: Maldonado - not so much for another crash, but his general lack of respect, as said by Perez.
me neither ! :bandit:Quote:
Originally Posted by longisland
driver- Webber and Grosjean
donkey- Maldonado- throws it into another car again- Barcelona aside he is useless- another good haul of points down the toilet. Shame Williams need the PDVSA money
Driver of the race - Webber
Donkeys: Maldonado, a special mention to Grosjean who once again made contact with other cars. A good drive afterwards but you just cannot go on hitting cars every other race.
Sucks to be Pastor right now , with everyone piling on .
So , all you guys just want him to roll over and let Sergio punk him into giving up the line ?
Pah !
Have a look at the incident again .
Neither driver gave way , and they ended up trying to take up the same space .
It's not as if Sergio didn't know he was there .
And , it should be pretty damned obvious that Sergio knew that Pastor would not give up the place easily , since he's complaining about his reputation here .
He went outside .
He knew the risk .
He knew he was going into a corner with a car beside him .
He knew who was in that car .
How do you say "Cry me a river" in Spanish ?
Maybe Pastor should get some stick over incidents in the past , but not this time .
That was a racing incident .
The stewards disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
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Originally Posted by Bagwan
"llórame un río", but it doesn't make much sense :p
Gee , that's strange .Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
It's all Greek to me .Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
Driver: Alonso and Webber tie. Their brief wheel to wheel action never looked like ending in tears.
Donkey: The fuel/tyre/DRS rules.
The rule book gets my donkey vote because, in my opinion, the tyre rules and the fuel rules are killing the racing and DRS is killing the defending.
I was left wondering whether it was the tyre rule that defeated Alonso or if he backed off so that he would have enough fuel to guarantee second place? That just isn't right. :crazy:
Sergio knew Pastor was inside for that corner .Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
And , Pastor knew he knew .
This wasn't a lunge from way back , and they both judged the situation wrongly .
Pastor has admitted he misjudged the grip , first losing the front end , before the curbing , and then the rear , as he corrected .
And Sergio was angry that Pastor hadn't conceded the corner , when he had expected him to have done so .
Ergo , racing incident .
That's my opinion , and I'm dreadfully sorry if you're not impressed by it .
I'm inclined to agree, I don't think there was any malice in what Maldonado did, but it was careless. Once again, being overly aggressive has cost him and Williams some valuable points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
It's a bit like Hamilton last year, you just kind of knew that if it was a close pass then there was likely to be contact (especially if Massa was nearby). I just hope Maldonado can calm down in the second half of the season and accept when something's a lost cause.
Driver of the Day - Webber, Massa, Schumacher
Donkey - Alonso, Rosberg, Kobi, Pastor
Webber drove a great race, really pacing himself well, he dint let Alonso drive away, kept his tyres under check, and when the time came pushed and took victory, Massa similarly did the most he could, and Schumi defended as well as anyone to keep his 4th fastest car in 3rd and then drove sensibly, and a good overtake on Lewis, was a good moment.
Donkey - Alonso, used up his tyres much more then he should have had, to let webber pass him, he dint need to fight hamilton, rather should have just cruised behind him, webber had already made a pit stop and there was absolutely no need to race him and destroy his tyres till hamilton pitted. Rosberg was terribly slow today, the most I think I have seen him in the last year or so, much slower then where he should have been, Kobi for sending some of his pit crew to medical care, and pastor for making that dull head turn to take perez out of the race.
I guess you didn't read my post with the same amount of sarcasm I intended .Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I am sorry for that . I don't use smiley faces .
Your previous post dismissed my opinion entirely , saying that if it had been a different driver , the opinion would be different .
Then , you stated your opinion , which was reasonably obvious , given your view on mine .
Punk Perez had to know Maldonado wouldn't just give it up . He could have taken a wider line and still beat him coming out .
But , since Pastor has had some recent events with questionable maneouvres , he gets punked again when Perez has a mic in his face .