Falken 912s all round.
Surprisingly good. Good grip, decent on track days despite being Touring tyre range.
Tempted to go for similar tyres as I only do a 1or 2 track days a year.
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Falken 912s all round.
Surprisingly good. Good grip, decent on track days despite being Touring tyre range.
Tempted to go for similar tyres as I only do a 1or 2 track days a year.
Ditto!
Interesting. Caroline had two Falken 912's on her Subaru and they were terrible. Absolutely no feel at all through the steering on them and they were terrible in the wet also. The Subaru has a couple of Vredestein Sportrac 3's and 2 Continental Premium Contact 2's on at the moment and both types of tyres seem good, Conti gives a nicer steering feel and the Vredestein's are quite sticky.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
The Fiat runs the tyres which came with it from new which arse Bridgestone Potenza RE050A's in the summer which are performance tyres and far outstrip the cars ability to corner but once you get to November and it gets below 10 and is damp, they get a lot of wheelspin and are pretty dangerous in the snow and ice. After almost 22k miles they've still got 3.5-4.5mm of tread left and the wet performance is just starting to drop off as I felt today, when do they get to maybe 2 or 2.5mm I'll replace them with whatever's cheapest in the range of decent tyres but which does well in tests . So far I'm thinking Dunlop SP Sport Fast Response's. In the winter it runs Vredestein Snowtrac 3's which are simply so fantastic on snow and ice that we take the Fiat out when it's snowy, not the Subaru.
I'm so sad I even have a picture of both types of tyres the Fiat runs :p
http://oi52.tinypic.com/167sg9g.jpg
As for buying the cheapest tyres, no idea why you'd do that, it's just false economy and if you're buying a Continental, Michelin, Pirelli, Goodyear, Dunop or similar then you're going to be in better hands. Always amuses me when you're walking along and you see an expensive Audi with a big engine which is rolling on Wanli's or some other rubbishy far east tyres. It's a cliche, but those are the only 4 things stopping your car from falling off the road, I can understand some knackered l reg Corsa running cheap tyres but if you can afford a new car you can afford proper tyres and you should buy proper tyres. Sorry if I come across as a tyre snob but it's true :p
I dont buy expensive tyres,by changing them round every six thousand miles,and not kerbing them,I do OK.It would be nice if money was NO problem,then i would probably buy Michelin. Another thing,is that when Toyo tyres first came onto the market they were cheap,and then the same with Hangkang,from China,but as soon as they become popular UP goes the price.You get quoted £30 for a tyre,THEN new valve,fitting,balancing and we are at £48 !!
Only 6 thousand miles on a set of tyres? What are you doing to them?!?!?!?!?!? I typically pay about £9 for a valve and balancing. I fit them myself as I don't trust the shaved chimps that these places seem to employ.Quote:
Originally Posted by driveace
oh great another tyre thread :z
:dozey:
:andrea:
You go to work and probably look at tyres now and you have to come on here and read about them :DQuote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
I agree. A slow day indeed... :dozey:Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
I'm running them black and round ones.
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Pirelli P3000 Energy - 175/65 R14
The Michelin Hydroedges which the 206 was sold with only comes in Metric, so I had to change the wheels and the tyres at the same time.
Well not all Potenza's are the same of course :) Like I said the RE050A's which I'm fairly sure you could get in Audi sizes have lasted 22k miles and still have between 4-5mm of tread left.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
One thing I would recommend would be to use an online service like www.mytyres.co.uk , www.blackcircles.com or www.camskill.co.uk you can get tyres for MUCH cheaper. With mytyres and blackcircles you can arrange for them to be fitted, with camskill you can get them fitted yourself. Works out a shedload cheaper. Just as an example, on the ATS site I'd pay about £120 each for some tyres for the 500 and buying online and getting them fitted at a local tyre place youre looking at £100 so a sizeable saving. Personally I wouldn't go for the Michelin's when I can have a Dunlop or something else decent for £35 less.
Look at the ATS site, surprise surprise ;) Winter Tyres, Cold Weather Tyre | ATS Euromaster
Like you say though, personal preference :)
a) still on holiday :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
b) don't have to come on here, or read about them :p
Lucky bar steward :pQuote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
This thread is tyresome.
You MUST read the comments CAREFULLY Daniel!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I did not say the tyres on my car ONLY lasted 6000 miles I said " I change them round every 6000 miles,and do alright with them"
SO by changing the wheels round ,I usually find all the tyres need replacing at the same time,as it evens the tyre wear out.AND doing 50,000 miles per year for the last 50 years,with 3 cars working as a driving school (that equalls 150,000 miles per year),i know all about tyres ,believe me!
I have been fitting tyres in the motor trade from 1956,when radials were not an option!!!!!
proper attire required for entry :dozey:
We are not talking about latex or females here !!!!! Its tyres don!
I love the smell of burning rubber in the morning :dozey:
Fair enough :) You can understand why I thought you meant you were getting rid after 6k miles though :)Quote:
Originally Posted by driveace
I rotate my tyres once a year too. Winter tyres go on in November or so and then summer tyres get rotated when they go on when the winter is finished. Makes for predictable handling as one end of the car never has significantly more grip than the other end.
So do the youths in London :DQuote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
Yes, but is seems that that situation is now somewhat deflated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
If not the cheapest tires I would run brands one or two levels better than it. :D
Luckily Falken ZE 512 were mounted in the rims when it changed, strong image of drifting :)
It's either Jo or Russell innit?Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I find it slightly strange that people put so much thought into buying a phone or a car and will only buy a recognised brand, then when it comes to what connects the car to the road they don't care. I find that rather a strange though process :)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I know it's not like you can show off your new Conti Sportcontact 3 tyres to your mates and impress them, but better tyres are usually better in terms of balancing out between fuel economy, dry grip, wear, wet grip and grip in the winter than the low end brands.
If you really don't want to pay for a top brand there are some really good mid range tyres like Uniroyal RainSport 2's and offerings from companies like Yokohama, Toyo, Vredestein, Hankook and Kumho which are probably better value for money than the low end brands.
But hey, if u think it's kool not 2 care about ur tyers then that's up 2 u I guess.
Meant to reply earlier, are Peugeot actually selling cars with metric rims in Australia? If so, WOW! You have no chance of getting one in anywhere but a major city if you have a catostrophic puncture :mark:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
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Originally Posted by henners88
By the sounds of it, if you're buying from a trusted person he is probably selling you decent mid range tyres then. Just out of interest, have a look what tyres they are, if only to satisfy my curiosity, I command thee! :) All I was saying was that if you were literally buying the cheapest tyres you could get then this is a bad thing :) Having experienced a few cheapie cheap budget tyres in my life I would have to say that they present a genuine risk to safety. I've had some genuinely scary/interesting experiences on budget tyres. My 406 came with some Tigars and was downright dangerous, my 504 came with Cheng Shin's which were rock hard and in the wet you'd often be locking a front wheel. Mid range tyres however are acompletely different matter :)
They're fine on my Celica.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
MX-5 owners rate them.
It appears there's a sweetspot to them. The sidewalls are soft so you have to go up on the original air pressure and voila you regain/get better feedback.
Thinking of getting Bridgestone's equivalent which are the ER300s. They seem to do well in the wet.
Getting tyred of doing 10,000 miles on performance tyres and worrying about aquaplaning.
Perhaps that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
One which seems to be almost universally liked is the Uniroyal Rainsport 2 which tends to do well in wet tests of course. I quite like the Vredestein Sportrac 3's on Caroline's Subaru, the front end feels much gripper than the rear, but the steering isn't quite as nice as with the Conti Premium Contact 2's on the front.
If it weren't for the fact that they're verging on dangerous in the snow, I'd recommend the Potenza RE050A's to you as they're fairly good in the rain. Mine are down between 4-5mm after 22k miles (thought they were worse than they are) now only just starting to feel a little dropoff in wet performance. A couple of days ago in torrential rain I was still able to travel along at a steady 60 on the dual carriageway. They last long and they're grippy in the summer at least :)
They're over rated. B'stone have done well out of F1 tie up/Potenza as they're OE shod for a lot of cars, even the Ferrari Enzo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Falken 452s are a hell of lot better and cheaper.
I think that it's a captured market. They know that only imperial sized wheels and tyres are sold in Australia, so they know that when it comes time to change your tyres, they get to charge you something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I was looking at a 407 Coupe when I bought the 206, and that even had the audacity to sell the car with alloy wheels as well.
When you're already paying more than $200 a corner for tyres, it would add up very quickly indeed.
Well I can safely say that other than the Vredestein Snowtrac 3's, the Potenza's are far and away the best tyres I've ever had in terms of grip.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Most people I know with RE050A's tend to be happy with them, the one caveat being winter performance which aint so good. But to have done 22k miles on them and only be just round half way through them is pretty good in terms of wear. I also
The big problem with tyres is that in almost all situations, a new tyre will be better than the old one in terms of wet grip and noise than a tyre which means that a lot of people get a car which has something like Michelin's, Pirelli's, Conti's or Bridgestones on it and puts a set of Wanli's or Nankang's on it and as you'd expect they're better because they have more tread on them.
Personally I place more weight on tests conducted in fairly controlled conditions with the same cars
2010 EVO Tyre Test | the online tyre guide
Potenza did fairly well here.
Anyway, the Subaru is now running 1 less Conti after a massive bolt killed the rear left tyre by punching a freaking massive hole through the tread. Now running an Infinity which we had in the shed. Not all that bothered as the Subaru will hopefully be going off the road soonish and it'd probably get a couple of new tyres anyway whenever it goes back on.
As did both Contis with an overall 1-2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
... just sayin' ;) :bandit: :p
I'd happily fit CSC3's if they made them in the proper load rating for my size :p Start making them in 195/45 R16 84V and I'll buy a set ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
Who are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Most Jap car, err, enthusiasts I know wouldn't dream of going back to the RE50A.
Tyres on the Smacker are Michelin Premicy HP XL 225/50/17's 98W. Good wear (16-18k on the fronts where all the weight and turning wear is) and 40K+ on the rears. Minimal road noise, excellent all-round grip and good fuel economy. Expensive tyres, but if you ring round, you can get them fitted etc for under £200/corner.
Well, different sizes, different characteristics and all. I didn't like the Falken's so I think that says a little about how tyres differ with size.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
I post on Fiatforum and a firm favourite (for the winter tyre people) there are Vredestein Snowtrac's and I myself have some and love them, yet on other sites people prefer Pirelli's or Michelin's. Tis just the way things are. After a ridiculously bad set of Pirelli P400's I'll never buy Pirelli's, even though they'll be absolutely fine.
Not a bad price and good mileage! www.mytyres.co.uk do an absolute shedload of tyres in that size. Just as an indication of what you can get for less, you can get a Conti for £160 or a Uniroyal Rainsport 2 for £130. If you're a Michelin fan, Costo regularly do 20% off offers. You have to be a member though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
One thing I would just mention as well, it's always recommended that you keep your best tyres on the rear as it lessens the risk of losing the back end in the wet. I know it goes against conventional wisdom for a FWD car, but far better to understeer off and hit something with the front of the car rather than oversteer and hit the object sideways ;)
Vicki Butler Henderson explains why new tyres should go on the rear - YouTube
That said, who needs to pay £200 for ONE Michelin when you get get a goodride for £48.50 EACH? :rotflmao:
Details: Goodride SA-05 225/50 R17 98W XL BSW - mytyres.co.uk
Christ almighty, which plonker would put those on his car? :mark:
Oh and also, Camskill are very cheap for tyres too :)
Same Michelin's are £171.30 from them. You have to get them fitted of course, but the saving is worth it. Car Tyres - MPV Tyres - People Carrier Tyres - 17" :: R17" - 225/50/17, 225/50 R 17 ::
I've got a Costco card through work luckily, but they were not (believe it or not) as cheap as the online price from Kwik Fit. As a rule, I price match with Kwik Fit, take a screen shot, email it to SMC Ford who then match the price. Saves about £50 a corner on the dealer's price!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
The only rubber I buy from Costco however is, errrrrrrrrr, ummmmmmm, well, you know....... ;)
I do, however, drive like a pu55y. My aim is to get 700 miles from a tank a fuel, but the gentle driving has the bonus of being easy on the tyres. And the longevity of the tyres is even better, given that the wife uses the car for the school run and work when it is raining. She walks the kids to school in the dry, but work is too far to walk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel