May as well let the drivers use it the whole lap after that fairly substandard showing!
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May as well let the drivers use it the whole lap after that fairly substandard showing!
Your thoughts?
Meh?
Pointless on that straight, can't see why they can't just use it all lap round. If the point is to give us more exciting racing then I can't see the benefit of limiting the range that it can be used in.
This could be like Bahrain last year - everyone saying that it's going to be boring as hell, and then we're proven wrong in the second race. I don't know if that's the case, but I truly hope it is.
The DRS zone wasn't specially great - the main straight is located after a 4th or 5th gear turn, which doesn't allow the car behind to close onto the leading car, so it's difficult to get close there. DRS can't help that much. If the DRS area was set after an slower turn, it might have a much more beneficial effect.
Australia never has a lot of passing, and the straight is very short, i think the DRS worked quite well considering this. it shouldn't offer any freebies, just makes it possible to pass if you are already quicker than the car in front. it added the opportunity for a few passes, which IMO is excatly what it should do.
it will likely work better at different circuits with longer straights, where overtaking is more likely anyway.
I was pleasantly surprised and think so far so good
Yes, spot on I think. It will surely have a bigger effect at other circuits.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
the moaning and prevaricating about how it was a disatser and would lead to false racing and fake passing was unfounded, and it did let cars run closer and get a chance of passing, but thats still not good enough fo some people who have to find some kind of fault in everything. For me it has potential, as long as they don't go mad and let them have it too long on the big straights
I'll give it a few more races and trust in the FIA to tweak it, but 1st impressions aren't great.
I'm with Robinho. I was pleasantly surprised with it, creating, as I've said elsewhere, the effect of a decent slipstream, getting the following driver close, but ultimately still leaving him some work to do on the brakes. Personally I think it was just about right in terms of it effect on relative speeds.
My only concern is it doesn't permit the slower car the opportunity for a quick repass, as, let's face it, but the time the pair have completed another lap round to the zone there is no way the slower car will still be within 1 sec. That takes a little something away from the racing IMO; those desperate attempts to repass within two corners, knowing it's your only hope.
I'm not sure what the answer is. Perhaps a second zone, or the overtaken car getting one free use of the device to attempt a repass, or - or - well as I say I don't have the answer, but maybe the powers that be will come up with a solution.
As Robinho and Sonic have said the system gives you a chance but doesn't put it on a plate. My very first impression was that it didn't do a lot but there were certainly cases where it allowed the opportunity to pass that wouldn't usually exist with normal aero.
My problem remains that it's for a section of the track, why not have it all the way round? This would also help with Sonic's problem of the slower car not getting the chance to pass back. If they do that then I can't see much of an argument, beyond "it's not racing", for not having it. And with the tedium of some of the recent years and the difficulty drivers have following other cars, I don't think that "it's not racing" is actually much of an argument.
I agree with alot of the above.
At this circuit the main staright is not particularly long, and after a high speed corner.
I personally think it should able to be used at any point on the lap, so you can aid your slipstream to turn 1, 3 or is it 12 or 13 after the quick chicane, and more freedom as said would help the re pass.
I think for me you need a wider time to use it, or not at all. The one straight per lap approach is a bit bizzare.
Not sure how you would regulate all of this to be honest, but its not my job. :D
If the rules stay as they are though I think at Spain, Canada, Turkey, Brazil among others with longer straights we will see more affect.
Lets wait and see.
Agreed, though I think it will be more effective in places with long straights like Sepang, Shanghai, Abu Dhabi and Catalunya.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
Mind you, some of those places listed could do with an actual chance of overtaking...
Yer its obvious at Sepang it should be more effective, while you couldn't watch the Monaco GP and say "Well it didn't increase overtaking". Nothing will.
So we need to wait and see and except on some tracks its just not going to have an effect.
I think it still sucks. Get rid of that crap!
Crap, complete crap. I hope they remove it soon or let it be used all the time. Nonsense that it should be available to one driver, but not to another during a fight.
I know exactly where you are coming from. I don't want to like it - really I don't. But the designers have got just so damn clever that there is next to no slipstream effect, so until someone far smarter than me comes up with a better solution, I'm gonna at least give this a few races to prove its worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
If it is used all of the time then it would be completely pointless because the car infront could use it too.
Made no difference as far as I could see. Apart from being something to talk about it didn't create any more overtaking opportunities.
It worked well so far.
It cut the deficit of running against a brickwall at the last corner. Best example being Alonso catching Webber mid-race, just before Webber pitted. Under normal conditions Alonso would never have caught up Webber on the pit straight.
Why is agreeing with you so easy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
Seriously though, you're right. We all know it is a big fat giant gimmick, but if it makes the Spanish/Abu Dhabi/European grands prix actually entertaining, then I think it may be worth it.
Crap.
I think that the concept is brilliant - a technology that only favors the overtaking car. A partial antidote to primary source of passing difficulty ...advanced aerodynamics. I think that that gaping drag reduction will have a greater impact in some of the upcoming drag strips as others have pointed out. I wonder how DRS implementation affects the whole drafting dynamic?
I liked it. Made it easier to pass without making it completely unchallenging. Until they come up with a more fundamental solution for reducing the wake from the aero, it'll do.
Agreed. The fear that it would make it impossible to defend has proved unfounded.Quote:
Originally Posted by christophulus
We'll see in Malaysia which has much longer straights.
Are there any tracks where DRS wont be used? Monaco springs to mind as an immediate example of a track where DRS might not be used due to its tight and twisty nature but at the same time it is a race that could benefit from a bit more overtaking. DRS doesn't seem like th solution to all problems if you ask me.
Even if it was used at Monaco it would be of limited effect I think.
A bit too artificial for my liking. Also, the 'overtaking zone'. What's all that about? This meant to be F1 - 'The Pinnacle of Motorsport'. It's okay for BTCC, Nascar, etc
Sorry, while we have to give it time- it's all contrived, and another dumbing down of the sport for the casual viewer.
I'll still follow the sport, but find ALMS/LMS far more interesting from a whole lot of reasons.
A bit sh!t.
I actually thought it worked must better than I had suspected it would. It may have made a couple more passes happen, but didn't make them easy or artificial by any means. If used properly on other circuits it could in fact make the races more interesting.
There. I said it. The FIA might have done something that works.
Remove the Aero. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by christophulus
Thinks... I'm going to the Supermarket and buying an Aero bar.
It wasn't that great but I'll give it the benefit of doubt being the first race and all. Maybe it will work better at snoozefests like Barcelona (with looong main straights)
We need to give this thing a few races before drawing conclusions. My impression is that it did work as intended. It made it a little easier for a faster car to pass a slower one, but not easy.
One thing I liked about it was that you could see it being used, which I actually didn't expect. I think it adds a bit of drama to overtaking challenges because of that. In that way it's better than KERS, which has seemed to work better as a defensive, anti-overtaking device to me.
Another thing I liked is that the challenge to use it is that the following driver has to get himself into that 1-second space at the right time, so it's not fair to say the overtake is handed on a plate.
I think I saw Petrov comment that he was able to use it while passing backmarkers, which helped him defend his place (against Alonso). Perhaps this usage is not what they had in mind when they introduced the system.
So, not a complete disaster.
I actually like the concept as if a driver is gradually catching another driver, you know that when they eventually catch up with them they will have some chance of getting by, unlike now where a driver could claw back a 30 second defecit only to be stuck behind the other car until a pit stop or the end of the race!
One modification I would like is that a driver is within a second at the activation zone, they should be allowed to use the device for the entirety of the following lap, and to make it simple, allowed to use it even if they've passed the car in question.
However I don't like the use of it in qualifying? The idea is to make overtaking easier, so why is it deployed in qualifying?
I thought that, bit strange to see them all hitting it, and even stranger to see Sutil drop it on the last corner and still keep it out the wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Just another gimmick that does not work. It is so easy to work out how to create more overtaking (if that is the point of teh DRS system). I cant believe that the powers that be are so stupid that they dont implement them, instead of these stupid gimmicks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malllen
I'd love to see all aero removed completely but despite DRS being a bit gimmicky I felt it perhaps did just enough to improve overtaking. We will have to wait and see how it will affect the next race but so far I have nothing negative to say about.
KERS on the other hand is a complete gimmick and offers nothing to the sport at all.
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Yes its gimmicky but I personally don't want more overtaking but dogfights close to replicating Button vs. Massa.
I'd be on board with that - it removes some of the gimmicky nature of DRS - but doesn't yet answer the question of how to give the slower car the chance to fight back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Change the laws of physics?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
yeh canny change the laws of physics! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko