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Indeed.. I feel so sorry for Fellipe.
Disgusting.
Disgusting, and not even subtle. I hope they get disqualified for that blatant breach of the team orders rule.
F1 Sporting Regulations:
Disqualify them both, please. Otherwise this is a joke.Quote:
39.1 Team orders which interfere with a race result are prohibited.
No different to what McLaren pulled in Turkey.
The problem is that they were not specifically ordered Massa was informed that Alonso was faster. I feel sorry for Rob Smedley having to deliver that news, he sounded gutted.
Yes, but I'm still bent out of shape since Massa gets dumped on AGAIN! :angryfireQuote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
No, it was "Fernando. Is. Faster. Than. You. Confirm you understand". And later, "Sorry mate". A deaf man couldn't fail to heard the message there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
They should take Ferrari's constructor points FOR THE SEASON over this.
I feel sorry for Massa too. I want a Ferrari 1-2. But more than that I want Ferrari world championship. Alonso can do that this year, Massa can't.
All this righteous indignation is misplaced, in my opinion.
The stewards should request the data which proves Alonso was faster, that should be evidence enough to DQ Ferrari. Still, we know that Alonso will accept a win at the expense of his team mate, singapore taught us that.
opps thread here
the "sorry" comment after the pass says it all...if vettel were really pushing to the point of passing FA, that would be one thing...or if they only had one wing to pass around........but this is a clear violation, as in crystal.
The most gutting thing of all is it's a year to the day that Massa had his accident in Hungary, and he's had a deserved win taken away from him. :down:
I assume you wanted them to get data from both McLaren and Red Bull in Turkey as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
:down: :down: :down: Ferrari, Alonso and dare I say Santander!
:down: :up: Smedley and Massa for making the team orders so obvious but still bending over.
I'll never support these Italian cheap-shots again.
The rule needs to be scrapped.
Breaches as obvious as this make a joke of the whole rule... not that other teams don't do it.
yep, this makes it even worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by christophulus
Does not matter if he was faster or not...faster is one thing, passing is another --and that is the key---as proven in every F1 race for the last ten years or more, and since vettel was not that much of a threat...well???????Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Who says Alonso CAN do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
I hope Alonso doesn't get even 3rd place in the championship.
Translation: For god's sake, do the fastest lap in case the stewards start poking around.Quote:
"Fernando - no need to save fuel"
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That was so unfair. I can understand team orders if one driver is mathematically out of the championship and the other isn't, or if one car has a mechanical problem, but I can't see the justification of Ferrari ordering Alonso past Massa. Felipe was driving a superb race and fully deserved the victory today :mad:
And us all a favor, spun out so that we do not have to see your face on the podium.Quote:
Originally Posted by christophulus
C'mon ioan, Alonso has been faster than Massa all year and was 30+ points ahead before this race. I like Massa but of the Ferrari drivers Alonso has the only realistic shot at the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
He was faster? Then why was he not ahead?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
This is racing not cruising around.
The team had the 1st and 2nd position secured. This was not needed.
If I was Massa I would have taken him out when he pulled alongside after that turn.
if vettel passes massa and then fred gets put back behind massa, does that make Vettel the winner??
If so, that should bring tears of joy to valve Bounce.....
A huge :down: for Smedley for what he said 2 seconds ago to the ORF reporter.
What did he do?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
what a joke
its just not cricket
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Australian slang: Having something that is unjust or just plain wrong done to someone or something.This come from the game of cricket which is regarded as a gentlemans game were fairplay was paramount.
1stperson :D id you see that guy punch that other guy.
Ferrari will ride Felipe as long as he lets them.
He needs to get a better contract or this will continue.
He said there was no team decision just a clean pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
Point of order. English slang I'll have you know!
Today? Yes he was, but not by much. Over the course of the season? Clearly. Have a look at the qualifying results.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
It was needed for the championship.
He needs to humiliate them and get out of there, and this was the right occasion for doing that with a win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malllen
He's got the money to live a nice life and he won't win any championship with Alonso at Ferrari.
Maybe. But the fact remains is that it is against he rules!
What championship?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
Alonso is not half the driver some like to make him look like, he couldn't hold a candle to Hamilton or Vettel.
Why did we not see a caption saying that the incident would be investigated after the race? :s
I've not seen such blatant race fixing since Austria 2002 (Ferrari) or Singapore '08 (Alonso). I'm ashamed for the sport and sorry for Massa.
poor old Massa, Fernando's win this isn't.
I hope the stewards do the right thing and DQ Alonso, and IMO NOT Massa-who was only following 'orders' and obeying his employers.
What's galling is the knowledge that had that been any other team, Alonso would have been wah-wah-wah-ing on the radio to get them investigated, the hypocrite.
A little melodramatic don't you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Red Bull hopes that the FIA and race direction takes measures.