Is there really a contest?
Webber for ruining what could've been a great last two laps.
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Is there really a contest?
Webber for ruining what could've been a great last two laps.
Webbo easily. Also a bit questionable why Webber and Hamilton pitted.
Webber the dumb ****.
I'll add Hamilton to the list for being a little b*tch.
webber!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so frustrated
Webber
Alonso was an early contender for his start, but made up for it with a stella drive through the field. So it has to be Webber.
Webber - definitely seems that last yr was nothing short of an exception to the rule that his middle name is brain fade - unluckiest man in F1 my left foot he just makes far too many mistakes
Garry Walker. As usual.
Mark Webber...sadly.
Red Bull Racing!
Mark Webber for punting Lewis. (Jesus, why?!)
Red Bull's technical director for the brake failure on Vettel's car.
Team principal for terrible strategy on Webber's pitstop.
hahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Alfa Fan
I didnt know i had said something controversial today, but I guess I did then :D
Webber F**ed up a few times, managing to put himself behind slower cars with mistakes and then stuffing into a fight that wasn't his yet - i think ambition overcame adhesion - too much Aussie grit, too keen to perform at home. he'll be back and should win races this year, but thrown points away again.
honorary mention to Hamilton and Webbers pit crews for giving up track position for questionable strategy calls on the tyres
Webber, obviously he was very nervous.
I think Alfa Fan is being a bit unfair, I thought finding something negative to say about Jenson's performance was quite a remarkable achievement :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Obviously Webber.
Close 2nd for teh Ferrari pit crew for losing Massa 2 places at their only tire change.
Webber, no doubt.
Not donkey of the race, but I have no idea how Massa ended up on the podium. He spent the race seemingly holding up Alonso and generally looking more like the Felipe of a few years ago. Still, he did make it to the podium.
My donkey of the race: Bridgestone, for producing "soft" tyres that can last three quarters of a race.
Michelle Michibata for not wearing a higher mini skirt.
Webber.
Don't be so harsh on the Scuderia my friend. They had to hold Massa up because of traffic in the pitlane and the new rule about not releasing cars into traffic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
If you want to blame Ferrari for anything I'd blame them for being fair and not moving Massa over to allow a clearly faster Alonso through. Alonso might have won had they done that.
I think people are being a little harsh on Webber for the incident with Hamilton. The McLaren was practically stopped when they collided. It was still Webber's fault but I've seen a lot worse.
yep :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
still it was clever tactics by ferrari... there´s no way massa would have held ham and webber so long :p
Donkey of the race goes to Red Bull Racing. Strategy was questionable, brakes shouldn't have failed and Webber was Paul Tracy-esque today.
That's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
Honourable mention to Schumacher, who should have been much further up, even with 3 pitstops.
Fair point. I watched it again and he just seemed to miss his braking point, still his fault but I think a penalty would be very harsh. He still gets the donkey vote though, far too nervous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
Webber... not the real deal.
gloomyDay touched on this, the grid girls and those silly outfits.
Has to be Webber. Silly, silly man. Twice!
While in between his mistakes, I thought his driving was impressive, Webber's still the donkey.
the last mistake probably wouldn't have made him donkey, but he came out on slicks just ahead of Massa and went straight off, overtook Massa but failed to yield to Hamilton and went off, hitting lewis and both ending up behind Massa again. then when having an opportunity of following Hamilton past Alonso on the exit of the corner, misjudeged it and took them both out.
all that in arguably the fastest car. too many mistakes, to eager to impress and too hot headed
Too much Red Bull. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
Not donkey of the day but I would add that Felipe Massa's weaving on the straight when people were trying to overtake him was extremely dangerous.
Obviously, Mark Webber messed up causing the crash with Lewis Hamilton but surprised no one else has picked up on this weaving. Not that it helped him much really- it just slowed him down and led to the cars in behind being able to stay close to him. Still extremely dangerous down a 180 mph straight. Alonso and Kubica showed how it's meant to be done when defending a position.
This weaving deserves to be punished more than what plained plain mistakes by Webber on a day when he was having a go and looking in an extremely racy mood. We do want excitement, don;t we?
Somehow Renault and Mercedes managed to release their drivers no matter the traffic. Rosberg was 2 seconds behind Massa when they went into the pits and he came out 1 second in front of him. 3 seconds id a lot of time lost there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
C'mon Hawk Lewis didn't manage to get past the Renault even though he had a speed advantage on the straights, how could Alonso get past him especially that he was probably not much faster than Massa?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
To be fair from the overhead replay it was obvious that Webber somehow didn't realize that he was going way to fast given the situation, totally his fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
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Originally Posted by Malllen
Why not try to win the race on 4 stops or something along the lines? :rolleyes:
Can't you come up with anything better to slag him off? Pathetic.
Same as most
Webber he seemed to be trying way to hard and in the end made several mistakes.
Webber. Although whilst all of the driving mistakes where his fault, he wasn't helped by being left to hang out to dry with the first set of tyre changes. That put him back in the pack having to try and get past people, when he'd already managed to get himself behind Vettel after his poor start.
I have to say after today's performance I've lost any belief that Mark can ever really be a contender. I'm sure he'll win a race or two this year as the Red Bull is obviously a rocket, but that will be about it.
Feel sorry for Vettel. He's being severely let down by his equipment thus far. When's his contract up at RBR?
They can't change tires on both car in the same time so the one who's in front get's the choice of being first, tough luck for lil' Oz donkey but he needs to get himself into that position first.Quote:
Originally Posted by ST205GT4
The BBC pitlane reporter said Ferrari had to hold Massa up because they couldn't release him into traffic. That's bad luck and nothing to do with poor performance by the crew. With that many cars in the pitlane it was a lottery as to when the car could be released.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Alonso was faster than Massa all weekend. If Ferrari moved him ahead of Massa straight after the stops then I think Alonso would have a better shot at Kubica because he was clearly happier with the car.
I'm not upset that they didn't pull team orders, it's too early in the season for that but it's hard to argue that Alonso wouldn't have had a better shot at winning than Massa.
I acknowledged it was Webber's fault. I just don't think it was that bad.
He won once with 4 stops, hence the high expectations LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Obviously. However, instead of falling asleep at the wheel RBR management should have had Vettel in the same lap as the rest of the field, not a lap later. And therefore Mark two laps later.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
At least Webber was trying to overtake people and make the most of a strategy that in hindsight wasn't the right one, albeit marked by mistakes that led to him having to attempt to do the hard work all over again.
Not saying, that it wasn't worth the McLaren, Red Bull, Mercedes and Toro Rosso teams attempting the two stop strategy. It was well worth a go but didn't work today. Even if it was down to the characteristics of the car/driver that led the teams feeling they had to make the decision. Just hope the fact it didn;t work today doesn;t discourage teams from trying the same type of thing in picture. I fear there will be a lot of boring races this season if teams always choose similar strategies
I agree Red Bull strategy was not good on first stop. Should have pitted at least one of their cars earlier. Unfortunately, Red Bull make rather a habit of making the wrong call.
Ferrari got it right today, as it turned out. They often get it wrong too
Not slagging. He has merely been underwhelming thus far in his comeback.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
20 laps behind a Toro Rosso today wasn't exactly impressive. Hopefully he will be better in Malaysia.