If all of it becomes true, then I'm all for it. More onboards is what I personally have missed for several years now.
http://www.motorstv.com/car/rally/16...aks-new-ground
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If all of it becomes true, then I'm all for it. More onboards is what I personally have missed for several years now.
http://www.motorstv.com/car/rally/16...aks-new-ground
so will the coverage move from eurosport
As I understood it, YESQuote:
Originally Posted by Pinto
How can this be good??
Most of the European countrys dont have Motorsports TV, this is UTTERLY BAD NEWS!!!!
I don't know what to think. MotorsTV are notorious for showing stuff a week delayed for no good reason.
If you want to turn the TV on and see some good racing, they're a good choice, but if you want the excitement of watching something actually happening that weekend, they're of no help whatsoever.
Edit: Seems I missed my point. Despite their best intentions, chances are that they'll screw up WRC coverage royally.
Dont panic, Motors TV is a Eurosport owned channel, maybe WRC doesnt get delayed because of some ball sport or running and jumping type sports.
Yeah, it was really annoying in Eurosport that in some occasions you had to wait almost half the night to see WRC and when the WRC and IRC and snooker clashed, then there was no time for sleep :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
And I have really enjoyed their 24 hour Le Mans coverage. So, as you can understand, it is possible to watch Motors TV in Estonia :-)
Will this mean it is no longer on Dave?
If yes, Thank god!!
Bugger! Looks like I'll have to give Murdoch my shilling as dont get cable out where I live.
What a wise man Frédéric Viger is. :up:
Shame that I don't have access to MotorsTV. Their concept feels like just made for me.
This will be a joy for fans. MotorsTV currently does not have high-profile racing series so the WRC will be treated first class and coverage will be extended. Just the daily roundups will be twice as long as on Eurosport if I understand correctly. They also have the time and means to show more marginal footage like onboards. And no more Snooker delays! I for sure love what they are doing with the Rallycross coverage!
Those who will not be happy will be the sponsors. As Mr. Viger says, this is a channel for hardcore fans. Ratings will plummet big time. It is telling that Le Mans prefers to be treated second rate on Eurosport rather than two weeks of non-stop wall-to-wall coverage on MotorsTV.
I think we have to wait and see its easy to promote your show with words...the result is what matters.
I hope they treat the sport the way it deserves.
Ehh.. as far as I know MotorsTV is an independent channel and has no connection to the TF1/Eurosport organisation..
For those who want to, there seems to be possibilities:
http://www.motorstv.com/get-motors-tv
I am hoping for more Virtual spectator analyzes, to spot the differences btw the drivers.
This tool need to be better used in the future !
http://www.virtualspectator.com/vs-sub-vs-nz.html
Well now i can't watch WRC at all unless I fork out for Sky. Which I won't do. Aty least on Dave it was available to anyone with Freeview...seems like a backwards step.
Are you taking the piss? NO NO NO NO AND NO. VS is one of the most abhorrent and catastrophic things to happen to rallying over the last 5 or so years. I would rather no manufacturers with no VS than have 3 or 4 teams and have to put up with watching a stupid computer representation of rallying.Quote:
Originally Posted by M5
Out on the stages you don't need something to show you who is quicker, you can watch and guess before finding out the times later. TV should be no different and all virtual spectator does is take up valuable time which could be used with real footage of the cars doing stuff, which is what most rally fans want to see.
Don't care about Motors TV as long as it's still on terrestial, if WRC moves to satellite only then it'll be the final nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned.
British Rally Championship coverage moved to satellite tv in the UK around the same time the series went into a steep decline and no coverage of the WRC on terrestrial or free to view tv here will see the world series dip even futher off the radar. Even Bernie realised F1 coverage wouldnt work if everyone had to subscribe so how come ISC think they know better?
Maybe the big question is that 'Normal/Terrestrial' TV aren't interested in Rallying - unless they are paid to show it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sal
According to this article Eurosport keeps on showing daily highlights.
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/r/wm/d/...wrc/index.html
This seems like on the face of it good news for the real fans. The ones who can get Motors anyway. The fact is ratings wont be good. But as it is we either have coverage buried and un-prioritised on Eurosport. Or have it hidden away on Motors TV but with a worthy show. At least us fans wont be getting F'ed over with live clashes.
People saying Motors will mess it up aren't thinking. This is still going to be ISC content like before. All Motors do is allow them the platform to give more airtime to the WRC. Lets face it Motors has lost every good contract it ever had - it can spare HOURS to rallying.
What does concern me is them trying to market this through the addition of increased onboard material. To me the one thing the WRC footage doesn't need is more onboards. What I truly hope is that they will be able to move away from the core four-car plus a brief summary coverage they do now. With the S2000 cup starting this extra time will be ideal.
The longer time frame also gives an opportunity for ISC to get out of their lazy interchangable rehash coverage they churn out every event.
My biggest fear is that it will only serve (with more ad breaks dont forget) to pad out their already sparse coverage with more onboards, pointless split screens and, *shudders* Virtual Spectator. The bottom line is that unless the ISC commit to putting more camera crews in stages - there isn't going to be any more 'real' footage.
I'll wait to pass judgement until they begin, but I just hope they dont think they can spin us the same garbage but just for double the amount of time.
W-w-wwhat? :eek: Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
As Simmi said, they should put more camera's on the stages, rather than inside the car (let alone they tried every onboard angle already there). It's pretty obvious the general excitement of rallying comes from the outside view, not the inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
About Motors TV, it's sad I don't have it, but to be honest the Eurosport coverage was too short, not that good and not very punctual as many already said. The absolute downfall for me was at the Rally GB coverage, when they decided it was more important to show a Harry Potter movie star, rather than following a rally car coming by. That was embarrising.
While I respect your opinion, I personally am tired of the onboards. They aren't even of a good quality these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
I fear the coverage will be "now lets ride onboard with Seb, looking at the back of his seats".
Or "now lets watch Mikko for the next 2K's, only we will just look at his facial expressions, then cut to his feet."
The more I think about it the more negative I feel. It's hard to look at anything the ISC do with much optimism.
Long added: "There's no way we can put all of the on-board footage into our international programme - a programme with broader appeal for those fans who want a 365-degree perspective on the sport – but Motors will certainly be making use of all the on-boards."
So reading between the lines this is him saying:
"OK we now have an hour to fill. We wont actually do any work to improve our product or add new features. But at least we can now use all those onboard shots we normally leave on the cutting room floor. I'm sure we can probably pad out the time without actually working too hard, or using a single creative braincell."
Sorry, but this article says nothing about the future of Eurosport broadcasting.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaCo
I´d say that one camera in each of the 5-10 first car live the whole time of every leg would be great. I could pay a few bucks every time just being able to watch live inside Sebs car through out a competition!! :D
Looks like nothing on Eurosport
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80179
What? No one in Spain has any idea about this station or where to find. At least Eurosport is easy to connect even without paying just listening in German.
If anybody in Spain must pay even 0.1 cent ISC will loose one of the TWO spectators yet watching WRC on television (the only one remaining will be Sordo's father), so boring is
ISC want really to promote WRC????. Not in this way. Give me back Montecarlo, Safari and Corsica, PLEASE.
Has this whole thing actually been confirmed as Europe-wide? Or just UK?
Where did you get that info?Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
Are You sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
List of Eurosport Events brands: http://www.eurosportcorporate.com/index.php?target=8
Let me get this straight: MotorsTV is replacing Eurosport coverage right. So the national programmes like on DAVE will not be affected by this? Or is MotorsTV now the exclusive broadcast partner in Europe?
this side help?Quote:
Originally Posted by General Prim
How to receive Motors TV
As far as I can work out:
- Eurosport no longer showing WRC in 2010 (certainly UK, possibly Europe-wide). Arguably to do with their IRC bias & unreliable scheduling
- ISC seeking individual deals with national broadcasters to replace blanket Eurosport deal
- MotorsTV in UK gets daily 48min highlights package, footage substantially bulked-out from existing daily 26min highlights package with onboards, aimed at rally purists
- Dave continues for 2010 with entertainment/magazine WRC show on Sundays of events, aimed at casual viewer/general petrolhead
You're not the only one. :) Just think the increased exitement while watching live onboard - you don't know what will happen!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Let's think that you've watched someone for few kms and the driving is very, very aggressive. You gasp air few times because of close calls. Then one corner again, bit too much cutting, car hits a rock and goes to a violent roll. You say "Ohh!" just on the same second as the crew does. Damn, are they okay? "Are you okay? Are you okay?" "Yes, I'm fine. I'll radio the supervisor, you get out and warn the next one.. Remember to take the OK sign!" Then switching the view to the next car...
No, I don't want accidents to happen but I used a bit non-normal situation to describe the system. That would be just like sitting in the backseat.
No doubt onboards are important and have their place. That action you speak of sounds like something we would have seen 10-15 years ago. You still get some thrilling onboards in Finland but apart from that. The cars just aren't exciting enough. It's not often you can really see from an onboard that someone is being aggressive IMO. They are a nice way of conveying speed though, that I will say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
If someone is going to roll spectacularly I'm of the school of thought where I'd rather see it from the outside. That is where all the iconic rallying moments really come from, seeing a car sliding on maximum attack - rather than looking through a windscreen. That is why I would prefer more cameramen in the stages. Ideally get a heli up. Any wild moment I see through an onboard camera, my first reaction is I hope someone got some footage of that from the outside.
They showed Urmo Aava go off in Ireland this year from an onboard camera. I still have literally no idea how that accident came about. It just didnt give me enough information. Perfect example of how onboards should be used is 2002, Roman Kresta on the Monte. They show the onboard footage of a fairly small crash into a wall. Then you see the full insane scale via helicopter of the plunging drop below. I just dont see how you can convey rallying's great events from the inside.
That's just a bit of a rant and not really directed at you Juha_Koo. I'm just frustrated that they appear to have a great new extended time slot and they are just going to fill it with monotonous onboard footage. It's lazy IMO.
Okay, I'll too have to start by saying that there's nothing personal here. :) Just different opinions on different matters. But I can't help myself bringing out my views for some of your points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
What's up with that action bit? We have action nowdays. I also think that Finland is not the only country that produces great onboards. This year we had Ireland, Norway, Poland, Australia and many others that produced great onboards. I tend to appreciate different kind of onboards, I'd say my "specialities" are bumpy tarmac and high speed gravel. I just don't watch onboards to see the driving itself, but to see the stage charecteristics.
And thanks to the fact that we have the fastest rally cars in the rallying history the footage is really spectacular. As for the comment about not being able to see who is aggressive and who is not... I can only say that you haven't watched enough of onboards... Because I can always tell is the driver pushing or not.
Onboards also pay tribute to the unsung heroes of rallying: the codrivers. I'll have to admit that one of the main reasons why I watch onboards is the possibility to hear (and see) the codrivers in action and seeing different pace note systems in action. As a side hobby, I've started to investigate the differences in pace notes in different languages. I can completely understand pacenotes read in five different languages and if I take the I-can-understand-some-bits to the counting, the figure goes up like a rocket.
I always think just the opposite about the footage in case of a mishap. :D But ofcourse I love external shots as well. But for me, the commentary by the crew tells dozen times more than commentator's "Ohhhh and it's rally over for them!" comments. But I also agree on the helicam matter. More of that please.
As for the Aava's off, it was a pretty clear case. There wasn't enough information in the notes about the slippy corner, Urmo came to the corner at a normal speed and lost the back end very quickly like usually on wet tarmac. Counter-steer came tenth of a second too late and when the slide ended there wasn't enough room on the narrow road for the car to straighten and left-hand wheels dropped in to a water drain.
Onboard cameras doesn´t exclude outside filming as usually is been doing. It´s just the complement that´s missing, I think.
Juha_Koo I do agrre with your description you gave.... ;)
You must love the IRC, because that is exactly what they have been doing this year.
One of them only works in Galicia, and the other one has limited coverage through the country, so I think I'll have to thank Eurosport for making of me a Curling and Snooker fan...Quote:
Originally Posted by Blitzerflitzer
And as some of you said, the last thing that WRC TV coverage needs is more onboard cameras... Nowadays, they put them near three meters from the windscreen, so we can't watch anything!
A guy on Russian Eurosport just confirmed that there will be NO WRC coverage at all next year on Eurosport.