Reasons:
1.No Colin McRae for years,
2.Wrong people leading WRC,
3. No Ferrari as a leading sport's car brand..
Please make Your comments..
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Reasons:
1.No Colin McRae for years,
2.Wrong people leading WRC,
3. No Ferrari as a leading sport's car brand..
Please make Your comments..
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I agree with what you wrote Barreis!
One more reason I want to add is that WRC isn't live at least in my country!
So,I can't watch live WRC!
In the opposite F1 for years now is live in tv!
What about that?
No more live stages in Eurosport...
No such speeds...
Here in Greece, personally, I can't watch the every day's highlights, because no greek channel has the right to broadcast them...
Total agree!Quote:
Originally Posted by tolis11
Neither I can see anything live from WRC!
That's a condition has to change... :mad:
Why should it be? In some countries it is more popular than in others, first of all WRC is a spectator sport, when again F1 is a tv sport.
I don't like F1 (except Monaco GP and Australian GP 'cos of road circuit) but every weekend when is F1 I watch qualifing and race.. So why our sport can not be popular as F1?
Off course, it has to change, but I don't think so, especially in Greece...
Very few are now interested in WRC and another reason is that there is no Makinen,no Sainz, no Mc Rae, no Burns,no Gronholm,no Impreza....but only Loeb, Hirvonen...and a bit of Latvala.
Yes mate nobody in this country interested in WRC!Quote:
Originally Posted by tolis11
And now they took Acropolis,what we have to do?
Stop interested for WRC?
I'm wondering if is so expensive to take a channel the rights of WRC and if can't show us live rallies at least some reports of this spectacular sport...
i think you guys have a very short time view of WRC, why cry about drivers from the past, you should be happy when it comes new ones to replace guys that drives on old merits.
I don't have anything against names.. But we must have in our minds truth that 1997/8 rally was on the same level as F1 in media and now it's low profile.. I can see it when I talk with my friends.. They don't care about rally anymore..
I'm not crying for nobody!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
I'm a fan of Mikko Hirvonen and not too old to know these old drivers!
I also want new drivers come to WRC if they worth because it's monotone looking the same and the same every year.Loeb,Loeb,Loeb...
We want drivers with talent in WRC, no drivers with money, driving a WRC car and finishing behind a S2000... The best is to have many good drivers fighting for the win!!! We will never stop being interested in the WRC!!!
I can tell you a secret, if you promise not to tell anyone, sooner or later also Loebs rally carrer will end.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimakos
OK, it will end and then who will take the wins? Hirvonen-Latvala, Latvala-Hirvonen...And maybe Catalunya goes to Sordo...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
Because to really enjoy WRC you have to wake up early, walk a lot, wait a long time, get cold, or get wet or hot or dusty...
To enjoy F1 you just have to seat on your armchair...
100% right opinion!Quote:
Originally Posted by tolis11
What after Loeb's end?
There aren't many drivers in a high level to go for the title...
Maybe Matthew Wilson has a chance to drive for the title? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by jimakos
Spot on! I've always said this to none rally fans. Rallying is not very exciting on TV for most (for me it is!), but anyone who sees it live loves it.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Priorat
...the problem? The effort you have to make to see a rally. Especially now the route is more compact. In the 80's & 90's rallying was far more popular because it was more accessible. e.g in the UK everyone who wants to see the WRC (bar Ireland/N.Ireland) must travel to Wales. In the 90's the rally would passt down through many cities, towns and villages, enabelling a large population of people to travel 10/20/30 miles to see the rally, now the epicentre is Cardiff! i'm a hardened fan so, the 160miles i travel from the north of Wales is acceptable.... but for an avarage part-time fan (with the stage entry fees) its just too much hassle!
Many people say that the effort required is why rallying has never been popular in the US because the people are typically lazy, not being harsh, but in a sporting sense the average American can go to a NASCAR race and have everything to hand and relax!
I see watching a rally as an adventure, and thats how it should be sold. However, in the UK and around the world there are plenty of adventerous people that WRC would suit in terms of motorsport....Climbers, Mountainbikers, Hikers, Campers, Fell runners (lol), etc etc....but who wants to pay £20 per stage to watch? Yes, it is a World Championship and Yes, they are seeing the greatest drivers on earth, but i think the whole spectator system needs a re-think, because no matter what anyone says, the spectators are the most important part of top level rallying....they buy the cars to keep the teams running!!!
4.Car brands are not interested to invest in WRC..
That means no good value for the money..
Rallying has always been raw. It's easier to bring those VIPs to a classy track restaurant than to transport them with buses to "crappy VIP park" set up on some muddy field.
And as said above, it takes effort to follow rally. I love planning etc. but many people don't. They just want to see action easily. F1 is also great for TV - and what's even more important: it's easy to cover. Rally again... A lot harder.
I'm not one of those who cries and whines about the current situation of WRC. I still love every rally. The pure exitement and rally fever are still there for me. The only thing I would like to change in the modern WRC is the rally template. Normally three stages in the morning and then those three again in the afternoon. Every time there is exeption to this, things get really interesting. (Finland, upcoming Australia, Norway 2007, etc.) Luckily Simon Long has said that they'll try to get rid of that template.
I guess its different from country to country. www.motorsport.no just had a vote for :"What championship do you wanna see on TV?" And here are the results..
EM i rallycross(ERC) (40.5%)
Formel 1 (14.2%)
MotoGP (8.8%)
Rally VM(WRC) (31.1%)
STCC (5.4%)
not a big surprise, norway has had 1 reasonable driver in both rally and rallycross, i guess it explaines the result.Quote:
Originally Posted by JFL
I think the WRC Is a wild by nature kind of motorsports , while the F1,
Is more trendy and shinny, If you know what I mean...
Maybe that's why more people are attracted there.
So I guess, It's a matter of promotion mostly, and not
a matter of quality; both of them offer high excitement!
F1 has far more investment and is more glamorous. Difficult to be glamorous in a muddy paddock with cars based on those used by the ordinary working class.
I think the cloverleaf idea works well in countries like Jordan where there aren't many people likely to come and see the rally, and those that do will want to go to as many stages as possible. However, it's terrible for more traditional events where more people are likely to be able to come out to the stages.
Makes me think that perhaps the superspecial idea has been pushed too far. They bring rallying to the cityfolk, and would be an ideal place to entertain VIPs if they're in a glamorous stadium, kind of thing. But having a route that spends some time in outlying towns is a better way to bring rallying to a diverse variety of spectators.
Now that the internet is so widespread, it shouldn't harm the fans at home, either.
Very good post, its easy to agree on every point, rally is much more than super drivers and game consult drivers at service park, the worst vision would be if rally would be watered to become a mainstream sport that everyone likes, its very good as it is today, very little to correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
Total agree with you LCD!Quote:
Originally Posted by LCD
At least in our country we can't compare the promotion of WRC and F1... :)
I think that those super specials held on the city streets are way to go. The stadium 8-ths are quite boring and are maybe ok when the service park is near to the stadium and then there might be SS before the finish Ramp for example :-) So, when you want to see rally finish then you can enjoy some driving as well.
But city sss are very nice for two reasons.
1. People who are lazy enough can go and see the cars with very little effort. And might get excited enough to go and see real stages.
2. It is good promotion for the rally when the first stage is held on the streets of major city and people on that city are informed vi various channels (information about closed roads, neighbors call you to spectate on their balcony, you can hear the sound of the car etc.).
3. Less "non-rally people" on stages. Less troubles :-)
4. More variety on the stage.
No women/girls.. That's bad.. Where're women/girls there's glamour.. That's what rally needs for popularity.. To much male sweat around our sport..
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Everything F1 offers is media sexy. Long legs, short skirts, oversized budgets, best sponsors, yachts, Ferrari....
WRC has tried to imitate it with larger motorhomes, rally HQs has turned to more sophistigated, heck, we even have gridgirls ;) But WRC will never get the same interest as F1 and I don't think it even should.
Couldn't agree more there...Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
i wouldn;t mind getting the same interest as long as that doesn;t lead in changing the nature of the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
But it has already changed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
We have lost the endurance factor, we have lost the night stages etc. WRC cannot afford to loose any more what made it so appealing in the first place since it just cannot compete with F1 with popularity.
WRCars were one of the thing introduce to make WRC more like F1, I think now we realize it's a bad thing to make WRC too elitist and to compete with F1, it can be healthy separately. Good thing they are trying to regain the rally elements.
Manufacturers realised that our sport has bad value for the money invested in it. That's why they're out of business. I don't remember when I saw last time big sponsor on works Subaru squad.. Sponsors don't see it ineresting and they're analysing market all the time.. Same as manufacturers..Quote:
Originally Posted by tmx
to be honest i don;t care much about the endurance factor ...it would be nice to have an endurance event like safari but i prefer the rallies to be as fast as possible. Night stages are not completely lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Rallying is not a tv sport and thats why you can never expect it to be as popular as a tv sport. TV is big money nowadays. Thats the only reason and not because we don;t have Mcrae, celebrity kids, red ballons and spacemen.
Exactly. The WRC should cut its cloth accordingly and stop attempting to turn itself into something it isn't. I couldn't give a toss about the championship as it is now — nor, to be honest, the IRC — and this is a big part of it. The lack of strong national championships is also, surely, a major contributory factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Italy has great championship with paid drivers.. :) Also MC rally and San Remo rally are removed from the calendar.. Manufacturers want show and that's why they are out of this and some B teams (with some reach guys (with talent)) are in.. All the money (until this season) went to pocket of Mr Wilson (and Mr Richards).. Mr Quesnell learnt very well: GIVEEEEE MEEEE ALLLLL YOUUUU GOTTTTT!!!!
WRC was doing relatively okay until the mid -90's. Then people got involved who thought they could make it 'sexy' 'popular' , etc That meant Live TV and everything that goes with it. Selling the sport's soul to the 'devil', i;e TV. Ultra-compact routes, no night stages, etc For a few years it looked okay, up to 7 Manufacturers with up to 4 factory cars each, but one by one they all left, and nothing was done.
Reality needs to be faced, this isn't F1, never has been, never will be. Just accept it's a 'niche' sport that occasionally becomes popular - I mean take our own RallyGB - it used to go nationwide, and Joe Public could follow it, good TV/Radio/Papers coverage. So what happens, they move it to a 'corner' of Wales - that's really clever - limiting the amount of exposure.
Just be grateful that sponsors like Red Bull, Stobart, Abu Dhabi are in the WRC - they're obviously fans of the sport - because otherwise they would go to another more popular media friendly sport.