In my opinion Hirvonen have to be this year champion!!
Nobody else is so consistent and dedicated in championship.
Go Mikko,go!!!
Different or same opinions welcomed.
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In my opinion Hirvonen have to be this year champion!!
Nobody else is so consistent and dedicated in championship.
Go Mikko,go!!!
Different or same opinions welcomed.
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I hope for that as well...Finland will be veeeeeeery important...The one who beats the other on a straight (or no) battle will have the upper hand for the title...Let's see...!!
Of course Psycho.
If Mikko takes rally Finland I believe that nobody could
stop him!!
Latvala have to make also a nice rally for ford.
Hmmm...Now I'm little bit worried...Broken gearbox for Latvala in the test...At least it happenned during the test session...
After his accident in Poland(he destroyed everything)
FORD wanted to take him out!!
Finally FORD keep the driver I think for the rest of
season to help Hirvonen.
Although,Latvala is a nice rally driver but a little road hog
and this doesn't let him grow up!!
There in no reason to discard Loeb's attack. I recall when Sebastian was out by his accident and then returned very close in points to Marcus, the pressure he put was good enough to beat Marcus. In this case, next rally Miko will open the road on friday and he is not accustom at all. This will definitely benefit Sebastian...... All in all I would not bet on favor Miko.
This is why Im not a big milko fan, he dont win too much, I like my champions to be winners, but the points scoring system plays into consistant hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimakos
But, saying that, I do believe if he wins finland and loeb finishes 3rd or below, he will go on to win the title.
Im a massive loeb fan, but he has won 5 years in a row, broken records all over, so he can let milko have one!.
Would prefer Latvala to win really, he is an exciting driver, but just too many monster crashes.
Looks like it will be a good end to the season, and I hope it goes to Rally GB, as I`ll be there :D
You have right Fide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fide
S. Loeb is definately a very good driver!
But don't forget that in Poland Mikko open again the road
and it wasn't a problem fir him!!
He managed to stay in the first place at almost all the rally.
Of course in the end he was far away and hadn't reason to press ;)
I'm sure for that Alexlake!
It's very difficult to have the winner before GB unless
your favourite Loeb make unbelievable mistakes :p
well, he is doing his best to throw it all away! keeps it all exciting, shame Sordo or Latvala are not that bit better and have a four way fight :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jimakos
This year we have had so much rain in Estonia and Finland and will have even more in next few days. So, the first on the road might be even advantage. I don't see a problem here.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimakos
It's more Loeb losing the title (never seen two consecutive crashes from him !), than Mikko winning it ^^
But I'll be happy to see Mikko actually deserving it. He has to show it in Finland.
no he didn;t ....Quote:
Originally Posted by jimakos
What?? :confused: Who was first after day one and two??Refresh your memory please...Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
yes but he didn;t have Loeb chasing him to see if he could hold him behind so no real comparison there......last time Hirvonen cleared the road and loeb was behind he ate him for breakfast
Calm down guys!!
It's not Hirvonen's fault if S. Loeb crashed and couldn't
follow Mikko.
Rally finland is so soon that we'll see who wants really the title :D
For me if Hirvonen makes a good start he won't have any problem with 1 place.
I'd agree with that. I think Mikko has benefited from Loeb taking his eye off the ball (F1?) and a points system which benefits consistency. Even a convincing win in Finland for Mikko wouldn't really be enough for me to change my mind, let's face it - it's his home round and he ought to be winning that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helstar
Mikko stands a good chance now though, he is even pretty good on Catalunya.
Mikko Hirvonen and S. Loeb together.
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According to the stats so far
who do you believe have to be champion in WRC?
Just tell your thoughts ;)
Looking back to 2009 I choose Seb...He won in Norway(!!!!),Portugal and Argentina and deserved it...Mikko must BEAT Loeb fair and square in at least 2 rallies in order to deserve the title...I'm with him but he must prove that he has the speed to become champion and not just the consistency...
the guy who has the most points at the end of the season deserves to be champion.....
do you guys think that Sainz was a worthy champion in 1992 with 3 wins while didier was 3rd with 6 wins and kankkunen 2nd with 1 win???
the one who wins it ...deserves it....
The 'problem' is the points system and lack of competiton. A similar thing happened last year - Loeb had a lot more wins than Hirvonen, who kept getting podium finishes and therefore collecting good point hauls. It was only in Japan that Loeb clinched the Title- which really is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho!
A similar thing could happen this year- Loeb has 5 wins, Hirvonen 2 - yet Hirvonen is leading - consistency is important, but this is slightly stupid.
Mikko deserves the title if he has more points than Loeb at the end of season but unless he wins couple head-to-head fight with Loeb in last couple rallies, I consider Loeb is still a much better driver than Mikko even if Mikko takes the title.
There's no doubt about that I suppose...Quote:
Originally Posted by koko0703
Trying no to be disrespectful, but if Hirvonen wins the title - which is entirely possible - then I'm afraid he would be the worst WRC champion so far. As for Loeb's crashes - maybe he has (maybe subconsciously) got a bit bored due to lack of competition, especially after five straight wins in the beginning of the season, and his concentration and commitment may not be 100% any more. He badly needs a new challenge.
Everything you tell guys about Loeb is absolutely true!
But don't forget that Hirvonen doesn't have the experience
of Sebastian!!
And he is also driving with the ideal wrc car C4 :p
I would like to see Loeb in another team fighting for the title!!
I think his future is in f1 ;)
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And in the hardcopy version of the magazine out today Loeb said that by the time he drives AbuDhabi GP (if he does) it will be too late to switch to F1 for 2010 as by that date he expects to have signed to continue with Citroen in the WRC for 2010.
Here is a future photo!!Don't you think??
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For a one off end of season sponsor driven experiment yes - but Loeb is 35 so I think he left it too late to move to F1, I expect him in wrc in 2010, when he still has his C4 to play with, but in 2011 probably endurance racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimakos
I don't believe in the "worst champion". If Mikko makes it, he deserved it, nothing else. The only thing you can blame on this is the ridiculous point system and the fact that Loeb screwed up three rally's in a row, while Mikko is doing a solid job so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
And for the sake of WRC, it would be better if Mikko wins it, but it pretty much all depends on what happens in Finland.
I remember last year, with Marcus not competing in Finland Mikko was a certain winner there, and we all know what happened, Mikko had no answer to Seb.
I think it will be slightly different this year and Seb might take it a bit easier, but I am still expecting it to be very close, Latvala could really affect the way the title goes too if he can make it to the end of events.
Agree as well that it is really too late for him to make a switch to F1, he's not a young guy anymore. If he gets to do a race I think it'll be very interesting to see what happens, but do think it's more of an opportunity for Red Bull to get a lot of promotion out of it. Could go either way, he could be very good or not so good, we'll see...
actually Hirvonen is equally experienced with sebastien if not more experienced......Quote:
Originally Posted by jimakos
Sebastien Loeb:Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
WRC starts:121Mikko Hirvonen:
first: Catalunya 1999
latest: Poland 2009
Results
wins:52 (43.0% of starts)
second places: 20
third places: 6
total podiums: 78 (64.5% of starts)
points finishes: 87
total points scored: 747 (drivers' championship points)
DNF's: 16 (13.2% of starts)
Stage wins: 617
WRC titles:winner of 2001 FIA Cup for Drivers of Super 1600 Cars
winner of 2004 FIA World Championship for Drivers
winner of 2005 FIA World Championship for Drivers
winner of 2006 FIA World Championship for Drivers
winner of 2007 FIA World Championship for Drivers
winner of 2008 FIA World Championship for DriversWRC starts:94As taken from juwra.com: Loeb, Hirvonen
first: Finland 2002
latest: Poland 2009
Results
wins:9 (9.6% of starts)
second places: 14
third places: 14
total podiums: 37 (39.4% of starts)
points finishes: 61
total points scored: 371 (drivers' championship points)
DNF's: 18 (19.1% of starts)
Stage wins: 138
Not completely agree. Loeb was champion in 2006 because of the stupid SupeRally system. Without SupeRally, Grönholm was the champion. In my opinion, Sainz deserved the title more than Mäkinen in 1998. Mäkinen made much more driver errors that year than Sainz.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I think Mikko has actually been helped this year by JML's inability to finish rallies. There is a good chance that JML would have been ahead of Mikko on a number of rallies and taken points off of him, unless team orders had kicked in early. I presume JML will have to play that role next weekend in Finland.
my god.....looking at those guys resumes makes mikko look even worse than a sick dog although they have just around the same experience.....damn....Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
and what about sainz title in 92 ?? and burnsies title in 2001 ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Wim_Impreza
the fact is.....rules are anounced before the season starts so every driver has his approach...you canhave the rally driver approach and win the title and you can have the sick dog approach and win the title...in both cases we have World Rally Champions.
Well, just purely my view, but IMO all past WRC champions have accomplished more in their careers and been a top drawer in their primes, while Hirvonen barely makes this level in by far the worst state of competition in WRC history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josti
I hope Mikko wins it, in my opinion he is the most underrated driver in WRC and will make a very fitting champion.