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not really. the adverts have ruined it and caused us to miss a lot of the action, James Allen is an embarrassment. BBC coverage will be a lot better.
ITV's best coverage was probably the 1997 Australian Grand Prix. And that pretty much says it all really.
The ITV coverage has been basically competent, but no more. As ever when ITV lose the rights to the BBC, no-one will be sorry except those who lose their jobs. No matter how hard it tries — too hard, a lot of the time — ITV just isn't seen as the natural home of sport on UK television and it doesn't deserve to be. Deep down, I reckon it knows it, too, no matter how many rights it buys in at once.
I think most of the time he's pretty good. The switch from ITV to BBC won't make any difference here as far as ads are concerned, unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by 71minus2
I started watching Formula One in 1996, so pretty much all I've known is the ITV coverage. I have to say that Martin Brundle single-handedly raised the level of the coverage. Without his insights I would probably not have bothered with 2002 and 2004 :) It was great hearing the legendary Murray Walker for 5 years before 2002, and then came James Allen.
I think Allen is a clever man and he is so enthusiastic it's untrue. However he made a lot of mistakes, especially with regards to driver identity, which really you should never make. It's clear enough who's driving which car unless it's a very long shot, and even then you have some idea who it is. Overall he wasn't quite as bad as many people said, but he did infuriate me at times. He has seemed to improve over the last few races however. I wouldn't mind if he went to the BBC for 2009 but it'd be nice if someone else has a try.
As for the presenters, Jim Rosenthal was ok, but didn't have the raw F1 knowledge. Steve Rider was very good but I think he got saddled with some of the blame for the Hamilton-bias when it wasn't really his fault. I think he's just genuinely excited that Lewis is at the front.
Speaking of the devil, the Hamilton-driven coverage over the last couple of years has infuriated me somewhat. It gets to the point during the races where James Allen almost has to introduce a guy like Giancarlo Fisichella because he is almost never mentioned.
In fact most of the guys near the top 10 are never mentioned, like Jarno Trulli and Nelson Piquet. I hope the BBC can cover EVERY team and driver and not just the Brits. As proper F1 fans and not bandwagon-jumpers, we'd probably like to know one fact about every driver on the grid than 20 about Lewis Hamilton before every race. I like Hamilton but they should know when to stop.
A big talking point was the advert breaks during races. Yes, they've always been there but they used to be around 30 seconds before 2006-7 when they turned into fully fledged advert breaks. During a major sporting event. Enough said. I think they should run the Brazilian GP with no damned adverts and let us watch the title decider all the way through.
For those of you who know what I'm talking about, I feel like I did when Channel 4 lost Test Match Cricket to Sky Sports. I feel ITV moved F1 broadcasting forward a long way, and delivered a usually highly polished presentation, with a few niggles thrown in here and there.
It'll be a sad occasion for me because most of my F1 life I have known the ITV coverage, but I'm looking forward to new beginnings and a fresh approach next year. I hope the BBC don't regress the coverage by sticking a few people in a studio.
Thank God!! Let's hope and look forward to uninterrupted race broadcasts - no advert breaks.
...For the BBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
Channel Ten is still going to have to pay the bills.
That's OK!! Let's hope we get better webcast next year from the Beeb!! Bugger Channel 10!Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
You're not going to get it unless you find a UK proxy server. The Beeb GeoIP-locks their live webcasts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
Whenever I complain about Channel 10, it's usually met with stoney silence. The fact remains is that here in Oz, the Grands Prix will still be put on at stupid o'clock to make way for Big Brother, Australian Idol, Australia's Got No Talent, or whatever the hell stupid ass reality show that they put on... rararrarrr :angryfire :
That p!ssed me off to no end until I got digital TV. Which has pre-race stuff as well as live coverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
Too bad quali is still on at stupid o'clock though.
I can't stand watching the internet feed constantly buffer :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
We get the ITV based broadcast in South Africa with James Allen and Martin Brundle's commentary. We don't get their adverts, but some nice peaceful moments without commentary while, I assume, u are watching adverts. We were lucky to get all the practice sessions and quali live. Only quali and race sessions had commentary. And did I mention NO ADVERTS!!!
I hope we don't lose any of these benefits in SA when it changes to BBC
North One have done a good job.
ITV have done their best to undo all that good work with shoddy scheduling, far too many ad breaks, and piss-poor picture quality.
Even in recent years when they've had three digital channels, how many times have we seen the post-race coverage cut short as they throw to Coronation Street or a Bond film which has been on a hundred times?
In the rare cases when they've extended their coverage they've not updated the EPG, so anybody recording the race will have missed out - ITV's duty office told me this was impossible but that's BS: the BBC manage it ok and even Eurosport occasionally work out how to do it.
I'll be watching Brazil with joy in my heart, no matter who wins, knowing it's the last race (at least for a few years) where I have to endure adverts and Sony ironically telling me how they make the most of HD while watching a sub-standard SD broadcast.
ITV's commentators are too Lewis-loving, Ferrari-hating for me. I guess they never heard of balanced reporting!
So did ITV. I just rely on some very creative persons who turn up at pino's chat room for quals and races.Quote:
Originally Posted by Somebody
Ha, very true!! How many times have we heard Steve Ryder say "we shouldn't forget the other British drivers" in the pre and post race broadcasts.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
On the whole ITV, or rather North One Productions have done a good job - everything that could have been asked of them in all honesty. Yes, the Ad breaks at times have been annoying but hey-ho...
Having Steve Rider as the presenter over the past three seasons has been a definate plus and he will be missed - how ironic that he was the presenter at the BBC when they hosted their "last" Grand Prix in 1996.
To me its James Allen - yes he is enthusiastic and knows a heck of a lot and yes he makes mistakes BUT to me he just isnt a commentator. His voice is too monotone and when he does 'try' to get excited it comes across as fake. He was better suited in the pit lane. And seeing as its he who does 60% of the talking, for that reason more than the uninterupted coverage I'm glad that its going back to the BBC - I feel that Jonathan Legard will be much better, more of a commentator than a presenter - and there is a difference. Hopefully Mosely wont get his way on Martin Brundle....
As I see on the other thread, it will be Martin and DC. For direct experienced information and discussions, I guess we could not have asked for better.
this is for all you Channel 10 bashersQuote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/tra...s/s2395650.htm
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Next year fifteen free-to-air television channels into Australia,
DC will be involved but probably not as a commentator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
We are in the fortunate position of recieving uninterupted coverage of every race, quali and practice session :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 71minus2
I wonder if they will make mention of this being their last race and give us a look back to 1997 since they started covering F1? It would be a good point to take a look back over the past 10 years.
Or will they just pretend it is business as usual?!
Highlight clips of Brundle's gridwalks is a must.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Kimi in Brazil, Ozzie Osbourne in Canada spring to mind!
Or John Prescott - "I'm going for Damien".Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
here we get the ITV feed courtesy of TSN, so i guess it will now be a BBC feed i hope. Never cared much for James Allen, and the love affair with everything Hamilton/McLaren is a little much, but being one of the top drivers/teams i guess i can't fault them too much
Murray Walker and James Hunt, now they knew how to call a race. It helped that there were guys named Senna, Mansell and Prost though.
ITV have done a great job, it's not the F1 team's fault that they want an advert break every 15 minutes to advertise something Hamilton-related.
On a side note, the last race the BBC presented, we had a British world champion. The last race ITV shows....
Perhaps they could show us all the exciting bits we missed over the years due to the adverts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
And this is nothing new at all. I was watching the BBC coverage of some world rallies in 1986 on YouTube the other night, and the attention given to the Metro 6R4s was a bit disproportionate — until they almost inevitably broke down, of course...Quote:
Originally Posted by heelandtoe
I'm a little nervous to be honest. It seems a bit like the BBC took up the coverage because ITV's in financial difficulty and can't afford it, I doubt it'll play as important a role in the BBC schedules as it does in ITV's. I still don't think that the BBC do a very good job with MotoGP.
Still, they must still be making some effort and it'd be great to watch it without adverts. I think that the Hamilton bias will probably stay, but who knows?
Was he going to eat him?Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Well I won't miss ITV but it has not all been bad. So long and farewell.
Channel 10 suck. Not quite to the level of suckiness that Channel 9 achieved but close enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbolt
I've been watching F1 for over 20 years and have NEVER seen a live, uninterrupted race on TV. I live an hours drive south of Sydney and can't get Channel 10's HD broadcast because it only goes into the capital cities. Forgive me if I have little patience with F1 coverage in this country.
Dear God!! Please don't let him come out with anymore "It could have been my year!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Why didn't you watch it live on the net? You half size the netcast, and put "Live Timing" on the other half of the screen, and you get the entire picture of the race on your screen: lap and sector times for each car, gaps from leader as well as between cars, position of each car; sure as hell beat Channel bloody 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
Next year, on BBC with no ads, all the more reason toQuote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
get the feed off the net and send a strong message to Ten with their pathetic coverage.
Buffer...???Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
When is this? 1998? You haven't magically been teleported from the previous millennium, have you? ;)
I wont miss ITV one bit.
Adverts during critical bits of the race, The Cock getting everything wrong and the Bint asking damn stupid questions of drivers that had just broken down or crashed. :rolleyes:
Only saving grace was Martin and I hope he does go to BBC and stick 2 fingers up to Max :D
Welcome home F1. We've missed you.
Oh and one other thing I can't wait to get shot of, that stupid intro with the silly dressed woman, drivers in posh suits and that annoying song!
Give me "The Chain" with shots of a Williams FW15 (I guess that would be a McLaren MP4-24 next year) intermixed with action clips any day :)
It would be good for perhaps the first programme if they used the same intro sequence as they did when they left off in 1996!