Anywhere!!! Can you help me? When can I to buy global engine 1600 turbo? Complite or parts: The block of cylinders, head of the block of cylinders..
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Anywhere!!! Can you help me? When can I to buy global engine 1600 turbo? Complite or parts: The block of cylinders, head of the block of cylinders..
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Don't think you can, as I don't think rules final yet. Maybe at the WMSC on Sept 8th, the rules might be finalised, then the manufacturers can start building prototype engines.
Probably take at least six months after that, to develop a basic engine package.
Ford and Citroën already have prototype 1.6T engines in testing.
And Mini/Prodrive later this month.
The rules must be almost finalized when both Ford and Citroen are already developing the engine. Maybe the September meeting is only about fine-tuning the rules regarding for example the turbo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKx1s4QSuOM (The same that was in the “Ford Fiesta RS WRC” thread). Just wondering how Ford will achieve same performance from a 1.6 litre engine with 2,5 bar boost limit compared to a 2.0 litre engine with about 4 bar boost.
But what I’ve read in our motor sport magazine VM, the world engine rules would make it possible for example for Cosworth to develop a world engine and sell it to a manufacturer.
Hej Old Finn,Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
I have copy of "Racecar Engineering" right ----> there with a big long article on the "World Engine" idea which is being discussed not just for Vörlds Shampionsheep ralli*, but also for Touring Cars and F whatever 3 or other motorsport with the fiction that the cars are somehow related to something the manufacturer makes.
They said something that anybody hwho has been inside engines for a few decades could not help to notice: the the ability of Manufacturers to harness CAD/CAM and FEA (finite element analysis) to design and in advance run accurate stress analysis and manufacture motors of various sizes with every part designed to be "just enough' for the design target, and not a gram more material than just that..
In other words no margin of "overbuild" in every area but especially basic block dimesnions and materials thicknesses, crank dimensions etc.
No more can we take o Ford Pinto or Opel CIH or Volvo Redblock and safely double the original output and have a motor that lasts a season or 2.
Gone are nice forged steel cranks with main journals 57-62mm and rod journals 52-54mm. Now for a 2 liter 50mm on a iron crank is BIG for main journal as is 48mm on a rod journal.
The article said "And manufacturers say this design trend will only continue..."
So they're talking about a modular design flexible in size for motors from 1,6 to over 2,0 liter but from the time goes to paper---or however they start now---robustness of design for very high outputs is the goal...
Interestingly enough, the head chosen is the Ford Duratec/Mazda PEZ which is at least something that the normal rally driver on the stage (man on the street??) can easily get...
Problem is this just drive rally further along the direction which it has been lost on since the regulations allowed the "World Rally Car" to be made in runs of 20.
* Official Tommi Mäkinen pronunciation
No hejsan igen young swede.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
How do these two matches?
“every part designed to be "just enough' for the design target, and not a gram more material than just that..”
and
“robustness of design for very high outputs is the goal...”
BTW, it’s öfficial Tommi Mäkinen pronunciation
There might be an agreement but its not final yet. If it was a rule, you could read it on fia.com .
Nothing is final until it is ratified by the WMSC. Can't believe a bloody thing coming from the incompetent FIA Rallies Commission until you see it cast in stone by the WMSC. Must be at least three years late and they still screwed up, with cars probably as expensive and maybe less safe.
Its interesting that Prodrive say they can't be ready with a Mini WRC for January, but Ford and Citroen have to homologation complete.
I don't even think there is any protocol written yet for manufacturers to register for the WRC 2011 yet. Sure, no hurry.........
Hej gamla Finne, the first quote is them talking about current OEM engines and the future OEM or series or sirja (?) road car engines, the second quote is what the whole gang of manufacturer reps were talking about the purpose built race and rally motor..Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
Hey did you ever see the thing at ralliparadis.fi that was an announcement of "English Course for Co-drajvers"?
Absolutely hilarious. I put it up on the much too boring and acting to serious USA rally site under "Whay the Finns kick our ass" and people too it too seriously, and of course nobody even tried to read it---it was pure fin-glish with TM pronunciation
You see it?