CMR2 Rallye Automobile Monte Carlo

[jso1985]

Time to start the engines and gear up to what promises to be the best season in years!

First round, the classic Monte Carlo Rallye, a though challenge to start the season where drivers will face changing conditions and rough tarmac roads.

The rally will be run with the following format
Game Rally: Italy(Day 1) - Sweden(Mirrored)(Day 2) PLEASE NOTE: FOR DAY 2, ONLY WET TARMAC TYRES ALLOWED. CUTTINF THROUGH THE SNOWBANKS IN SS2 IS CONSIDERED CHEATING SO PLEASE DON'T DO IT.
Shakedown Stage: Sweden SS5(with wet tarmac tyres)
Day 1: Single Rally Expert Level Italy
Day 2: SIngle Rally Intermediate Level Sweden(Mirrored)

Please send your times to [email:asds766u]jso_1985@yahoo.com[/email:asds766u] or via PM here. Deadline for submissions is on Wednesday 30th 11:59 AM GMT.

For any other questions, ask it here! new entries always welcome

Good luck and have fun!

[racer69]

Does anyone know the cheatcode on the PS2 version to enable mirrored stages??

Thanks in advance :)

[Rat]

A nice way to start the new year...Wet tarmac tyres and snow.Let's Rally! Good luck to all..

[Frozzy]

what tyres do we use for day one?

[Magnus]

what tyres do we use for day one?

Studtyres ;)
No, I guess there are no regs or...?

[NOR]

The only one regulation of tires is for day 2 in Monte. Setup is just up to you, for the rest of season...

[kabouter]

Just to have things absolutely clear: is day one Italy mirrored or not mirrored?

[I am evil Homer]

Racer - cheat code is "waveyourlefts" for the PC and "rorrimskcart" for the PS1.

Looking forward to shaking down the C4 and hopefully doing well this round.

[tannat]

Just to have things absolutely clear: is day one Italy mirrored or not mirrored?

According to the schedule it's mirrored, however, according to the organizers post it is not mirrored.

Bolivian efficiency at work :laugh:

jso will be online later today for clarification, but I'll wager he may let it stand as it is.....

[tannat]

what tyres do we use for day one?

Tyres are free on day one

[UKOG~Will]

Would like to know ASAP if it is mirrored or not....don't want to sound pesky or anything but being ill at the moment gives me time off school :D

So I can do the rally tomorrow :D

w00t :D

[Juha]

The opposition is taking it serious these days, taking days off just to go rallying. :eek: :D

As you do happen to have so much time off, try it in both versions. You can't restart so it will only take you half an hour more. :D

[tannat]

Would like to know ASAP if it is mirrored or not....don't want to sound pesky or anything but being ill at the moment gives me time off school :D

So I can do the rally tomorrow :D

w00t :D


This happened last season at one point, and he stuck with what was in the event annoucement.

If you need to run it today I'd do so as it is stated.

You know, if I keep saying he'll leave it as it is, he'll leave it as it is :D

[Exhausted]

03:23.65
03:25.90
03:23.86
03:20.67

[Pawprint]

The opposition is taking it serious these days, taking days off just to go rallying. :eek: :D




"And, some gossip, I hear that a certain co-driver was off sick from work on the day of the recce, and didn't return to work that week.

I'm sure there's more to that, but I canny remember :D

[jso1985]

Can't get anything right nowadays :s

yes Day 1 IS ALSO MIRRORED, PLEASE NOTE.

And tyre choice on day 1 is free.

[tannat]

Can't get anything right nowadays :s

yes Day 1 IS ALSO MIRRORED, PLEASE NOTE.

And tyre choice on day 1 is free.

If you need emphasis you could get this thread deleted and repost details.......

[jso1985]

yeah but mods come to this sub-forum once a year or something so I might not get the quick response I need.

I hope everyone can read the clarification

[steve0302]

how would you like all the times sent.

you said who to send it to but not how.

do you just want a list of times in stage order or does it need to be on a template or similar.

sorry is my first season, just making sure

thanks

[tannat]

how would you like all the times sent.

you said who to send it to but not how.

do you just want a list of times in stage order or does it need to be on a template or similar.

sorry is my first season, just making sure

thanks

As you stated will work steve. List of times in stage order.

For this rally I believe a total of 19 times are appropriate, and if you can remember to submit the overall day times at the end of each respective day it is a help.

[jso1985]

You can send them as you want, as long as I get the stage times.
If wished you can send me the timecard available on the yahoo site

[UKOG~Will]

OK thanks Javier and tannat for the info. ;)

I am running the rally now :D

[UKOG~Will]

damn laptop ran out of battery...who took the power lead out....grr

will do it later

[tannat]

03:23.65
03:25.90
03:23.86
03:20.67

Are those times with wet tarmacs Exhausted?

[NOR]

Just for clearing and remembering:

Game Rally: Day 1: Single Rally Expert Level Italy (Mirrored), free tyre choice
Day 2: SIngle Rally Intermediate Level Sweden (Mirrored) PLEASE NOTE: FOR DAY 2, ONLY WET TARMAC TYRES ALLOWED. CUTTINF THROUGH THE SNOWBANKS IN SS2 IS CONSIDERED CHEATING SO PLEASE DON'T DO IT.

Shakedown Stage: Sweden SS5(with wet tarmac tyres)

[I am evil Homer]

I tried the shakedown and it doesn't look mirrored to me. Sponsor banners still read correctly....very strange.

I had this problem last time as well and i'm using the code every website says is correct. Anyone got any advice?

[UKOG~Will]

If you're on PC go to the cheats section in options and flick it to yes...then press esc or return

PS1 don't press triangle I think cos it cancels it...idk I cant remember :P

[Exhausted]

Are those times with wet tarmacs Exhausted?

Yes it is, why?

Don't tell me that you haven't beaten them by a large margin!? :D

[Juha]

It's probably the opposite; you're too fast. :D

I reckon I can match those times. ;)

[tannat]

Yes it is, why?

Don't tell me that you haven't beaten them by a large margin!? :D

Those are quick times, mate :up:

[Exhausted]

Thanks Tannat!

You had me worried that I had forgotten something so I just took another run and hit 3:18.85 (took a screenshot too)

Which controls do you (Pc) guys use? During the winter break I changed mine to:

A = Throttle
Z = Brake
Space = Handbrake
<- = Left
-> = Right

This has actually made left foot braking possible.

[tannat]

Which controls do you (Pc) guys use? During the winter break I changed mine to:




I'm PS1 :(

[JTLarsen]

This is (the rallygamer formerly known as) Exhausted.

I have changed my name into JTLarsen, and will not be using the old account any more.

[JTLarsen]

I'm PS1 :(

Can't you alter the controls on that? (can't remember)

[Marcel Haenen]

Thanks Tannat!

You had me worried that I had forgotten something so I just took another run and hit 3:18.85 (took a screenshot too)

Which controls do you (Pc) guys use? During the winter break I changed mine to:

A = Throttle
Z = Brake
Space = Handbrake
<- = Left
-> = Right

This has actually made left foot braking possible.

Normally I am using a steering wheel, but when I have to use the keys I always use A,Z,< and >.

[kabouter]

I always use < > for steering, and in the beginning used A and Z for throttle and brakes, old habits from Formula One Grand Prix. But I changed to Q and A for throttle and brake respectively and now use Z for shifting up (Space for shifting down).

[UKOG~Will]

up, down, left right :D

[Juha]

1: 3.37.54
2: 3.32.40
3: 3.26.58

OK, I'm off the pace. However this time would have put me fourth last year.

I don't know how you did it, but I can't get near to your times. What setup did you use? :confused:

[Rat]

up,down,left,right if the wheel is not working properly.

[J.Lindstroem]

I have made my first runs in the Skoda in the Shakedown. I can say that i am not used to have the car sliding this much, it really makes the Fabia feels big and plumsy. Anyway, my times:

R1: 3:34:37
R2: 3:31:49
R3: 3:28:49
R4: 3:26:72
R5: 3:30:89

I did as much as five runs because i felt like i have to practise as much as possible before i start the rally. It will be interesting to see how i can cope with the asphalt, hopefully a litte more grip over there! ;)

[tannat]

Could anyone post their sector times on this stage?


I'm in the low 30's and losing time somewhere.....


There is one stretch where I am redlining in 3rd for a good 3-4 seconds but the car won't shift (auto gearbox)

[JTLarsen]

I don't know how you did it, but I can't get near to your times. What setup did you use? :confused:

Setup:

Tires: Wet tarmac
Gears: -1
Susp: +1
Pow ratio: 0
Brake bias: +2
Brake power: +3
Steering: +4

Basically my tactics was "Going faster by going slow" - Staying out of the banks, hugging the apex the corner etc..

Did a testrun yesterday
http://jtl-media.com/skrammel/cmr2-proof.jpg

[Juha]

Tannat; here are my splits:
26.29
22.59
26.70
26.33
27.82
27.45
26.54
22.69
3.28.41

Lost a bit of time here and there.

[Marcel Haenen]

If I have some time left this evening I'll make a test run as well and try to get a video in.

[I am evil Homer]

You def have to set the car up earlier for a bend and keep away from the banks - my run last night I ran wide twice and it just sapped the seconds away. You can hear the car scrabbling from grip on the revs but can't chnage up as you'll crawl away.

This is a massive challenge but is making it very interesting.

[tannat]

Setup:

Tires: Wet tarmac
Gears: -1
Susp: +1
Pow ratio: 0
Brake bias: +2
Brake power: +3
Steering: +4

Basically my tactics was "Going faster by going slow" - Staying out of the banks, hugging the apex the corner etc..

Did a testrun yesterday
http://jtl-media.com/skrammel/cmr2-proof.jpg

You are on PC with a wheel, JTL?

You and I share the same tactical state of mind :up:

I find myself backing off the throttle many times becuase my line begine to get fouled.

If my daughter could clear up her congestion (bless her heart) I might could get some practice done....

[tannat]

Tannat; here are my splits:
26.29
22.59
26.70
26.33
27.82
27.45
26.54
22.69
3.28.41

Lost a bit of time here and there.

Cheers Juha

I'll share mine when I can.

Getting the big points score here may be in your lap, although I should be able to make some time on day 1 ----TARMAC!!! :burnout:

[JTLarsen]

You are on PC with a wheel, JTL?

You and I share the same tactical state of mind :up:

I find myself backing off the throttle many times becuase my line begine to get fouled.

If my daughter could clear up her congestion (bless her heart) I might could get some practice done....

Pc and keyboard!

I picked that up from playing alot of Richard Burns Rally during the off-season, never really liked that game untill I backed off the throttle :eek:

[tannat]

Pc and keyboard!

I picked that up from playing alot of Richard Burns Rally during the off-season, never really liked that game untill I backed off the throttle :eek:

You keyboard guys astound me..

I've played rally trophy as such, and it really takes a fine tuned steering to keep the car from 'anteatering' every time you round a corner...

[Zes]

Hi

My shakedown

3.24.09
3.23.52
3.19.77

That was actually fun driving with tarmac tyres. Great slides! Maybe I should use them in Sweden always...

[tannat]

Hi

My shakedown

3.24.09
3.23.52
3.19.77

That was actually fun driving with tarmac tyres. Great slides! Maybe I should use them in Sweden always...

Would love to see your sector times, zes :D

[Juha]

Just wait until you see the sector times of my latest run with JTLarsen's setup. It's a a bit better than my previous attempt. :cool:

[Juha]

Eat this:

http://users.skynet.be/rallyfoto/monte.JPG

No cheating, no cutting, just a healthy doses of frustration after finding out the front door was locked from the inside and I couldn't get in. :D

[tannat]

Cheers teammate :up: :beer:

Dropping 2 seconds on the 4th sector is quite an acheivement..


Tell us about the stage-good and tight? No drift bumping?

I think those off camber areas around the guardrail may be hurting me a bit.....

[Zes]

Would love to see your sector times, zes :D
Sorry, I didn't wrote them down, but Juha really showed us how to drive that.

[tannat]

Sorry, I didn't wrote them down, but Juha really showed us how to drive that.


I'm waiting for Marcel to post and break the 3:10 barrier......

[jso1985]

Jesus H. Christ!!! did two runs today: 3:33,45 and 3:37,01

gonna be a long scoreless year... :s

Marcel has just sent me the tool that will help to do the stage-by-stage results, but just found out my computer is back with its unhealthy tendence of freezing when a long download is almost finished, so I'm trying once again to dowload the programing language needed, will let you all know if any special submitting changes that might be needed will take place for this rally

[tannat]

Jesus H. Christ!!! did two runs today: 3:33,45 and 3:37,01

gonna be a long scoreless year... :s



I'll be in the cellar with you....

Very special conditions here, and thank goodness only a day of this mischief...

[Juha]

Tell us about the stage-good and tight? No drift bumping?

I think those off camber areas around the guardrail may be hurting me a bit.....No drifting at all, not bumping anything, not even a snow bank.

The area with the two bridges takes a bit of effort to get right. I can only recommend one thing for the guardrail: start braking very early and always keep on the inside.

The first time when I set 3.16, I thought I was ridiculously slow. Until I had an unexpected green popup saying I was a second faster. Then came another one, and another...

Marcel set 3.10 last year during the rally so it's just a small step for him. In Sweden (non mirrored) he did 3.03. Maybe I'll give it another go, but I prefer to concentrate on my driving on tarmac. The 206 really is a handful to drive.

[Juha]

I'm waiting for Marcel to post and break the 3:10 barrier......I'm waiting for Marcel to break MY 3.08 barrier...

Not joking....

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7572/cmr2ze9.jpg

I'll give it a go in the 206 tomorrow. :D

[I am evil Homer]

Done my shakedown in the Citroen C4 (PS1). Set up was:

Tires: Wet tarmac
Gears: -1
Susp: +2
Power ratio: +2
Brake bias: +2
Brake power: +3
Steering: +3

Times:
3:26.70 - drifted wide twice
3:20.45
3:18.64
3:17.73
3:18.92

Very happy with these times....you really have to drive this stage like RBR game...the slower you feel you going the better the time. Just avoid those snowbanks!

[UKOG~Will]

Here's my shakedown run on SS5 Sweden

- with tarmac tyres :D

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g161/willlloyd/24141.jpg

[Juha]

Impossible. :p

[UKOG~Will]

Nope :p You can tell it was tarmac tyres if you look at the rims :p

But you'll have to take my word it was Sweden SS5. I wanted to compare times with you guys so it would have been stupid do do anything else LOL

[NOR]

You are going faster than flash. What about stage mirrored? Did it?

[Juha]

Nope :p You can tell it was tarmac tyres if you look at the rims :p

But you'll have to take my word it was Sweden SS5. I wanted to compare times with you guys so it would have been stupid do do anything else LOL
- you car isn't mirrored
- neither is the Hella sign behind the car
- the finish is a right hand corner, this looks like a left hand one

And I won't believe you before I've seen the splits with, on the background, a picture of the Subaru on the stage. :D

[Marcel Haenen]

Well, I finished shakedown, but got nowhere close to the times of the others....I had way to much understeer, I did not even get clos to my 3m10 from last year.

1. 3m20.79s
2. 3m14.16s
3. 3m16.59s
4. 3m15.33s
5. 3m13.75s

I love driving in the snow, but I always need some time to get used to it and can go fast.

2m41? Impossible! Can't believe it, I'm sorry...

[UKOG~Will]

Ah!! Forgot it was mirrored. Very sorry. Will do it again. ;)

[Juha]

Suzuki Motorsport - Monte Carlo report

Belgian driver Juha, in the number 12 Suzuki, has just completed the first round of the WRC 2008. How did it go?

I'm still experiencing a learning curve. It's the first time for me with the car on tarmac and I'm trying to cope with its oversteering behaviour. We finally found a good compromise during the later stages but I feel we can do better.

What was your target for this rally?

We were aiming for a top 5 position after day 1. I prefer the snowy stages so the plan was to attack during the second day.

Your car looks slightly dented?

Ah yes, I was a bit too fast sometimes, trying to make up for the car's handling. I think some guardrails will need repainting now.

How did it go on the snow?

Much better, although I was disappointed that I couldn't repeat my excellent shakedown time. The times were good enough for the top 3, but all depends on how bad my tarmac driving was the day before.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3113/suzuki1rp2.png

[JTLarsen]

Great report Juha! Any comments on the mush questioned reliability of the SX4?

[Juha]

The biggest problem is situated behind the wheel. :D

No problems at all with the car's reliability, but speed wise it's crap. :\ The car's wheelbase is too short which results in the back end always trying to pass the front. I've tried it on gravel and it's not too bad on that surface, but I have to get used to it on tarmac. The Focus, which I've driven for years, wasn't so nervous. But on the other hand, if it happened in the Focus, it usually caught me by surprise and I'd go off. Whereas with this car, I KNOW it will be there, so I keep it in mind. On snow, same problem, but it's not such a big downsize as you're going sideways anyway. On the quick stages it's very enjoyable to drive, but not on the twisty ones, like the shakedown.

And I really didn't get close to my 3.08 again, not even in the Cordoba. :( I don't know what I've done yesterday, but it must have been very good because there's no way I can do it again.

[jso1985]

The tool Marcel gave me works wonderful :D

Now a change on submitting rules guys, when possible please don't alter the names of the sheets of the timecard(18 stages, 20 stages and Montecarlo), also when writing your name don't write your team name or something else. This isn't a rule, so I will still accept timecards with "mistakes" but please do it that way as it will save a bit of time.
Actually the only rule is that starting from Rally Sweden, I will only take timecards filled with the xls file available on the yahoo group, only special cases where user might not have Excel will be accepted for using PM's. any questions ask it here, for this rally I'll still take PM's but if possible send me the timecard please.

Now another thing where your voting is needed, as stage-by-stage times will be available much faster than before, please vote to:

- Still get the overrall results on Wednesday and the stage-by-stage times the next day or on Friday.
or
- Wait until I do the stage-by-stage times on Thursday or Friday without publishing the overrall times before, so it kinda makes more exciting to look at
the stage times without knowing the final result


As for Will L time, sorry can't take it... 2:41,xx is breaking the records! and with wet tarmac tyres, that's kinda impossible

[tannat]

Impossible. :p
Never mind Will's time-AI doing a 2:44?

Something is amiss here...

[tannat]

I'm waiting for Marcel to break MY 3.08 barrier...

Not joking....

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7572/cmr2ze9.jpg

I'll give it a go in the 206 tomorrow. :D

Ummm I think shakedowns should be done in our team car, teammate....

[Juha]

There's no AI, 2.44 was his previous record.

I'd prefer to have stage by stage times at the same time as the results. It makes it more exciting.

[Juha]

Ummm I think shakedowns should be done in our team car, teammate....

The other screenshot clearly shows a 206. ;)

And I was just having a go in the Seat because it's supposed to be faster, I wanted to see by how much. I've done my rally in Suzuki, not the Seat.

[tannat]

The other screenshot clearly shows a 206. ;)

And I was just having a go in the Seat because it's supposed to be faster, I wanted to see by how much. I've done my rally in Suzuki, not the Seat.

Cheers-didn't notice :up:

[JTLarsen]

The car's wheelbase is too short which results in the back end always trying to pass the front.

That was the very same reason that I made the change to Ford last year!

..that, and the fact that I got my hands on a very high quality blank skin :D

[JTLarsen]

Jso >> Sorry, but I still don't have Excel, so I hope that you will still accept PMs or perhaps emails from me.

And as for the stage-by-stage question, I'd prefer to get the overall result on wednesday (or when you'll have the time) as I don't always go to check out the stage-by-stage.

[Rat]

mmm gotta get meself into gear, you blokes are setting awesome times! I'll post mine tomorrow...

[JTLarsen]

JTLarsen
Two Basses Ford Team Europe

Day 1:
All stages but one was bone dry, so I had a fairly consistent drive despite hitting the guardrail a couple of times and hitting the wall head on on stage 3, loosing 10 seconds finding a place wide enough to spin the car back round.

Day 2:
Snow and ice all around, and my effort to stay out of the snowbanks seems to have payed off at the end of the day, even though I tipped the car on its side on stage 5 of all stages (same stage as shakedown), thanks to a few helpfull spectators I was back on track a few seconds later!

And now, straight to Sweden to do some recceing.

[tannat]

JTL and Homer:

ou guys use manual gearboxes?

I could see an advantage to them here...

[Juha]

Snow and ice all around, and my effort to stay out of the snowbanks seems to have payed off at the end of the day, even though I tipped the car on its side on stage 5 of all stages (same stage as shakedown), thanks to a few helpfull spectators I was back on track a few seconds later.
Where did you do that? Near the end of the stage?

[I am evil Homer]

JTL and Homer:

ou guys use manual gearboxes?

I could see an advantage to them here...

Yep...def helps with traction in and out of corners you can control the car more on the snowy stages. On the tarmac it's a limited advantage.

Anyway finished my rally....very happy with both days - it was a massive challenge to cope with the changeable conditions on this event. Ice, snow falls, tarmac it had it all.

The C4 is a great car though so I hope to show good pace here. Full report later.

[JTLarsen]

JTL and Homer:

ou guys use manual gearboxes?

I could see an advantage to them here...

Nope, always automatic! I don't think that I would be able to handle any more buttons (using 5 already).

[JTLarsen]

Where did you do that? Near the end of the stage?

There is a dip in the road lined with stonewalls, between the last checkpoint and the finishline.

[Pawprint]

well, as soon as I've finnished my biology homework, me and my new co-driver are heading out onto the stages.

[Juha]

There is a dip in the road lined with stonewalls, between the last checkpoint and the finishline.
I already thought it was there. It's pretty hard to roll the car anywhere else. :D

[tannat]

Yep...def helps with traction in and out of corners you can control the car more on the snowy stages. On the tarmac it's a limited advantage.

Anyway finished my rally....very happy with both days - it was a massive challenge to cope with the changeable conditions on this event. Ice, snow falls, tarmac it had it all.

The C4 is a great car though so I hope to show good pace here. Full report later.

I'm thinking engine braking may be of help as well....

Perhaps JTLs "left foot braking" accomplishes the same effect in a different manner

[Frozzy]

Sorry Jso i don't have Excel so i PM'd you my times.
Day 1 report
went reasonably well for our Debut however the skoda was encountering gearbox problems all day and also we made a big mistake on stage 10 unfortunatly we went the wrong way through the cross roads due to a miscalled pacenote and lost about 10 seconds maybe.
DAY 2
went way better slighty icey roads but the Skoda was strong enough to get round faultlessly with some quick times which will hopefully place us in the top eight once everyone completes the stages

[Pawprint]

Day 1 complete for our first WRC event.

Ss1 we build up our confidence, and pushed harder with success on stages 2 and 3. Stage 4 was terrible, ice caught us out on several occasions, but we survived to the end if the stage. We took slicks for ss5 and 6, resulting in a struggle through the former, but a good drive in the latter.

On stage 7 we slid heavily intona bank, losing the best part of 10-15 seconds, along with several parts of the Toyota. Ss8 had a bit of black ice, slowing us down all over the place.

On stage 9, we bounced off a few trees, but other than that, we really enjoyed the smooth cruise through the ice-less forests :)

On the final stage of the say we had a few moments, losing quite a bit of time, then backed off a bit.

Day two is coming up tomorrow :)

[Marcel Haenen]

We finished day one of rally monte carlo. Except for some rain on a couple of stages there were no big issues. Some stages went really well others were just fine. We will try to drive as conservatively as possible on day two to make as little mistakes as possible.

[Juha]

we made a big mistake on stage 10 unfortunatly we went the wrong way through the cross roads due to a miscalled pacenote and lost about 10 seconds maybe.
Welcome to the club. :p

It happened to me too when recceing the stage. I took the tight hairpin without a problem, then I barely succeeded in taking the next 90 right after braking too late. Then there's a small street between two walls, where I almost took the small uphill road. And at the next T, I just took right, straight into the barriers.

That's why recce is important, certainly on mirrored stages. ;)

Jso, new idea: everyone's limited to doing two runs over every stage with the Evo 6 street version, not with the rallycars. :D

[JTLarsen]

Jso, new idea: everyone's limited to doing two runs over every stage with the Evo 6 street version, not with the rallycars. :D

Love the idea!!

[Juha]

Introduce it for the BRC then. ;)

Isn't every British forest rally is supposed to be "blind"? The only notes you can have, are those you can buy from a specialised company, or make yourself after watching the DVD you can buy from them (or buy both).

And introduce testing bans; you can't drive on a stage that's in the next rally, unless you drive it in mirror mode (or non mirror mode if the rally is in mirror mode). And make the shakedown mandatory, so we know what we're up against.

I'll probably get shot for these ideas, so I'm off to hide behind a Swedish snow bank. :D

[Magnus]

Well, Curtans rallybase Motorsport is having severe problem. The technincians are workingh on it though, but they tell us that they will probably not be able to fix it within the time limit. As I told you before we are in need of a new windscreen, since there is a crack in the old one (HINT HINT...). They are tring to fix it by DHL, but they are somewhat slow this weekend, travelling at only 14 kb/s, ehm, I mean kph. We even tried to borow a windscreen from a neighbouring team 8which are running in another series) but they could not find it. Argh...
A soon as this problem is fixed, I will supply our times, and then you do with them what you will.
Regards: Curtans Raldybase Motorsport...in distress.

[JTLarsen]

Introduce it for the BRC then. ;)
Nope, the BRC are meant to be easy to do, hence the short races etc.



Isn't every British forest rally is supposed to be "blind"? The only notes you can have, are those you can buy from a specialised company, or make yourself........

Did you actually sleep last night Juha? :D

[Juha]

It makes the BRC easier, no testing at all, just 3 runs over the rally and that's it. ;)

And yes, I did sleep, and it's true what I said. :p

[Marcel Haenen]

We finished the second day of the monte carlo. This day was great fun, sliding around all these corners. By taking a rather conservative approach we were able to reduce the amount of errors and set some very comepetitive stage times. We hope we can start this season with a win, but any position on the podium will b ejust great.

[JTLarsen]

It makes the BRC easier, no testing at all, just 3 runs over the rally and that's it. ;)
And yes, I did sleep, and it's true what I said. :p

1 run is all you'll need these days.

I thought that "Blind" rallies were a thing of the past.

Pirelli International Rally competitor info:
http://www.pirelliinternationalrally.co.uk/comp.asp

[Juha]

It isn't. :D But I thought they still did it in the BRC too, apparently not.

[JTLarsen]

Man I'd hate going through Kielder on "borrowed" notes :s hock:

[Magnus]

Ok, I finally got the windscreen fixed, and also discovered that I have til Wednesday to post my times :)
Took some runs on the sd, just to warm things up. I had two cuba libres, and one guinness before though, with my mechanics permission ;) so it wasn´t that nice, but i doubt I will do much better when i go for it tomorrow. My mechanics keeps telling me that the car is built for analogue steering, brake and gas aswell, but me thinks it is simple to have it digital... we will see abt that :)
Two baffling rounds to night:
3,36 Flawless run!
3,35 Even more flawless
Hope it sends chills down your spine guys :D

[tannat]

I'll probably get shot for these ideas, so I'm off to hide behind a Swedish snow bank. :D

no smilies with a gun, so I'll bop you with a hammer

:arrows:

[Juha]

You'll have to catch me first. :p

[kabouter]

Jso, new idea: everyone's limited to doing two runs over every stage with the Evo 6 street version, not with the rallycars.

That's how the rules used to be several years ago. I think it gives a rather large advantage to the people who've played the game the most because they know most tricky points by heart anyway, and people with less experience who are limited to only two recce runs have no chance at all to get a similar amount of stage knowledge. Closer to reality, but the question is if that's what you want for a championship that should be as accessible as possible to everyone who wants to participate.

[kabouter]

By the way, after a monster session of gameplay (for me anyway) last Saturday I managed to unlock the expert level for Italy (never did a full expert championship before - only reinstalled the game a few weeks ago). So I'm planning to do day 1 of the rally tonight.

As Magnus already posted Curtans RallyBase Motorsport had some windscreen availability issues in Monte Carlo. One arrived in time for him to take part in the shakedown. Mine should arrive in time for the start of the event, but no shakedown for me :( I've already discovered during testing that my car doesn't like narrow twisty mountain roads, and I haven't got experience of icy roads on tarmac tyres, so all I am going to aim for is finishing the rally without major damage, which should be a challenge anyway.

[Zes]

Peugeot Sport Finland has completed MC. I had quite a nice rally, no PB's, but not major mistakes either. Tuomo was doing few good stage times, but in some stages he lost his concentration and went off. Quite normal for a 5 yrs old kid (or Rautenbach :D ) I think... Compared to last years results, I would have been in pos 5 and Tuomo in pos 12. Let's see how it goes...

[Juha]

That's how the rules used to be several years ago. I think it gives a rather large advantage to the people who've played the game the most because they know most tricky points by heart anyway, and people with less experience who are limited to only two recce runs have no chance at all to get a similar amount of stage knowledge. Closer to reality, but the question is if that's what you want for a championship that should be as accessible as possible to everyone who wants to participate.
Don't worry, I'm just joking. ;) I know the only way to be fast, is to learn the stages by heart so you can drive them without pacenotes. That's what I've done now, and it really helps. You won't find more speed, but you can try to find faster lines in the corners, and know where you have to watch out.

[Magnus]

After fine-tuning everything I have now managed to get 3,33 on the SD. thinks it´s time to tackle the rally itself!
Beware out there in the woods, and please do not stand closer to the road than 200 meters!

[Pawprint]

Day 1 complete for our first WRC event.

Ss1 we build up our confidence, and pushed harder with success on stages 2 and 3. Stage 4 was terrible, ice caught us out on several occasions, but we survived to the end if the stage. We took slicks for ss5 and 6, resulting in a struggle through the former, but a good drive in the latter.

On stage 7 we slid heavily intona bank, losing the best part of 10-15 seconds, along with several parts of the Toyota. Ss8 had a bit of black ice, slowing us down all over the place.

On stage 9, we bounced off a few trees, but other than that, we really enjoyed the smooth cruise through the ice-less forests :)

On the final stage of the say we had a few moments, losing quite a bit of time, then backed off a bit.

Day two is coming up tomorrow :)


"Day 2 of the Monte's been dreadful" Johnson told reporters at the end of the rally. "We kept having little offs on the ice, and backed off, often too much, and had to push a little again, and when we did, we pushed too much, it destroyed my confidence today. I'm just glad we made it back with the car still in one piece, even if it was last overall. Today has been dreadful, and my confindence is shattered."

"He was completely demoralised" commented new co-driver Alex Lister, after the day's stages. "There was no confidence there, and we just couldn't drive at all."

When reminded that Sweden is the next event on the callender, Johnson told reporters to [text deleted].

[UKOG~Will]

Can I have another day please :( Got coursework in for Friday and didn't have chance to do it over the weekend. I know if it's a bit too much to ask since there's a lot of people who entered..

Where's Ramore?

[tannat]

Reporter: "Looking a bit bashed up there, Tannat. Suzuki not to your liking?"

Tannat: "No, no, no-the team have done a fine job with the car. We slept not so well last night, and our opening stage times show this. At one point on stage two we were on two wheels for an extended time, but we did not roll. Overall it was an okay day- some good stages some not so good."

Reporter: "Some other drivers found wet stages. Did you encounter any rain today?"

Tannat: "None whatsoever, so no worries over tire choice for us."

Reporter: "And what are your feelings for the second leg. There has been significant snow accumulation today with more on the way overnight. Push hard or drive for points?"

Tannat: "We know we are not so fast on this surface. We will try to keep up a good pace, but it is senseless for us to push when we know we are uncompetitive. Hopefully our speed on day one will offset our lack thereof on day 2."

Reporter: "A final question: what is the atmosphere within the team? What aspirations have Suzuki Motorsport for the first rally of 2008?"


Tannat: "Having both cars in the points wold be very good, and a tremendous start to our season. I think Juha will be fast here, and I am hoping to fit within the top 8."


Reporter: "Thank you Tannat. Best of luck for the second leg."

[Magnus]

You are a real media-personality tannat :D

[tannat]

You are a real media-personality tannat :D

Cheers-it makes it fun.

I had considered randomly interviewing drivers at each rally by PM, and posting the review on the thread-might be fun.....

[I am evil Homer]

Not a bad idea...just hope you catch me after a good run!

[Pawprint]

Cheers-it makes it fun.

I had considered randomly interviewing drivers at each rally by PM, and posting the review on the thread-might be fun.....



I don't know how many know of it, but for our first season of WRC3 I made a season review movie of about 25 minutes, on youtube. Not quite professional, but was good fun.

Due to the larger number of those involved in this very competition, I have had an idea.
Hows about some of us who are organised make a podcast??

[tannat]

I don't know how many know of it, but for our first season of WRC3 I made a season review movie of about 25 minutes, on youtube. Not quite professional, but was good fun.

Due to the larger number of those involved in this very competition, I have had an idea.
Hows about some of us who are organised make a podcast??

I'm pod-less....... :(

[Magnus]

I have three I-pods, and have also bought a Numark I-pod-mixer recently. the problem is that I am clue-less...when it comes to podcasts...

[Pawprint]

I'm pod-less....... :(


as in, no ipod? You do;t need one for a podcast ;)

We can make one, and poeple can listen online, or download to a computer, or to an mp3 ;)

[JTLarsen]

for our first season of WRC3 I made a season review movie of about 25 minutes, on youtube.

Link please?

[I am evil Homer]

Guys I need your help...I messed up and ran both Italy and Sweden in "Expert" mirrored and don't have time to re-run the Swedish stages.

So what times do I need to take. Is it stages 1-8 + the SSS? So ignoring my times on SS9 and SS10?

Just fancied a bit of extra time on the snow :D

[Marcel Haenen]

Yes, it stages 1-8 + SSS. You can ignore the two other stages.

[kabouter]

Guys, I messed up... Because of the hurry in attempting a full rally this evening (last opportunity for me to get it done before the deadline) I didn't really pay attention and ran day 2 on dry tarmac tyres instead of wets... There's no time to redo the rally, so I'll send in my time card anyway and it's up to the organizer if he disqualifies me or accepts that it only cost me time and does not impose a penalty. :(

[tannat]

Guys, I messed up... Because of the hurry in attempting a full rally this evening (last opportunity for me to get it done before the deadline) I didn't really pay attention and ran day 2 on dry tarmac tyres instead of wets... There's no time to redo the rally, so I'll send in my time card anyway and it's up to the organizer if he disqualifies me or accepts that it only cost me time and does not impose a penalty. :(

Sorry to hear that, Kabouter. Must have been quite a drive!

In my opinion doing Sweden stages on dry tarmacs is punishment enough. I think your times will be allowed :up:

[Pawprint]

Link please?



Part 1 (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2zfKm38D2M)

Part 2 (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UVBjVUyODuA&feature=related)

Part 3 (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qz7FMYs-UiY&feature=related)

[Rat]

Sorry peoples but my tiimes for the recce were way out compared to yours and I would be embarrased to show them. OK, one was over 3:45.26, and that was the best time!
I will be sending my times and report for the Rallye later today.

[tannat]

Sorry peoples but my tiimes for the recce were way out compared to yours and I would be embarrased to show them. OK, one was over 3:45.26, and that was the best time!
I will be sending my times and report for the Rallye later today.

It's a tough rally, Rat. And day 2 only happens once a year :up:

Tannat

[Pawprint]

Best of luck, Rat. Maybe at least one of us (the team) will be on the pace! :)

[J.Lindstroem]

J.Lindstroem has now made his rally:

"I mist say i am very pleased with the way the Skoda is handling. On the first day, i had some problems with finding a proper tarmarc setting, but as the day went on, it got better and better. At the end i found myself having a respectable pace. Some stages before that was realy crappy by me. But since tarmarc is'nt my best surface i'm happy.

On the second day we got a bit further up, where we found snow, a surface where i found myself at home. Pity then that i had top drive it with wet tarmarc setup on the car. The car was sliding all over the road, and i was close to making several misstakes. But in the end i managed to come around with no big misstakes in the snow also, something i am happy about.

Decent start to the season, though i havbe not seen the final resluts yet i am happy with the pace. I don't think we will be up there in the top, the pace was to slow for that, but i really hope i can get away with som ponts from Monte Carlo, as a great upload for my home event"

J.Lindstroem/N.Grist - Skoda Fabia, Frozz Motors Europe

[Rat]

yep thank god for that, only 1 day of the year. Who did the cartoons of the drivers after each event? They were well done... any more?

[UKOG~Will]

doing the rally when i get home from school...had work to do :(

[NOR]

NOR - Two Basses Ford Team Europe has finished Rally Monte Carlo

"So, we have done this really tough race and we are happy to get it over. We didn't spend much time to get the right setup and race notes, because we had been at workshop with the new building Focus all January.
Day1 was very nervous and we made a lot of mistakes, specially due to poor race notes. Handling of the car was difficult even if the weather was almost nice. A few of stones and trees could tell you about our white bumpers.
For Day2 we found little better setup. Car was very good to drive, but we missed the speed. Anyway we got our Focus to finish line in much better condition, then after day1.
There are no big expectations of points for this race, but we look forward to next snow rally and to new developed car."

[Rat]

Rat has finished the RALLY!
Day 1:
What a change in car makes! This new Toyota is very chuckable and fun! For the first 4 stages we were fast and set PB's on the way. BUT stage 5 we rolled and still made up some good time. In our haste getting out on the Rally proper, we only took in a light service, needing a top of Red Bull to keep us setting PB's all day! The last stages were a mix of slidng into walls, falling off the road and a wrong direction(WD) in town.
Overall it was a good day with happy mechanics, nothing major to fix!
Day 2:
Well we didnt set the day on fire. With the tyre choice being crucial and we were left with wet tarmacs to run with all day with a blizzard to go! Hit too many trees today. No grip and snow banks, not fun....Just trying to stay on the road is a battle, and finally got up to 120mph, we slid off the road into the frozen river! Hell fun and we missed everything, no damage. Then spun near the end of the stage. The last stage had us with no grip at all.

OK we went well on day 1 and just slid around making up the numbers on day 2. At least the Mechanics were happy with little damage to report compared to other years. C'mon Pawprint, keep it going lad!

[Rat]

Javier, you will have mail soon...

[tannat]

Reporter: "Tannat, it looks as if you found a drift or two on the superspecial.."

Tannat: "Yes. One day we will learn to take no chances on these things. I lost perhaps 4-5 seconds. I hope we will not regret it later."

Reporter: "And how was the final leg?"

Tannat: "We are quite pleased with our drive today. A last minute change in setup proved beneficial (Steering +5). We surpassed many of our times from last year, but not so much to be at the top."

Reporter: "What's the outlook for Sweden?"

Tannat: "For certain we will take much time to prepare for this rally. We are not at home on this type of surface, so an preparation should be of great help."


Reporter: "Thank you, Tannat. Cheers for a good finish."

[JTLarsen]

Part 1 (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2zfKm38D2M)

Part 2 (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UVBjVUyODuA&feature=related)

Part 3 (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qz7FMYs-UiY&feature=related)

Very nice! Must have taken ages to make..

[Magnus]

Because my team-boss doesnt read that well we took the car out of parc fermé before the time limit, that is after 11,59 AM :s
I am sorry for this guys!
It was a very tough rally. We went very wide in Sweden, all the time, and continously interacted with snowbank. We also made some visits in huge ditches in in Italy, allthough I also set som PBs
The mechs changed the setup some in Sweden, after two stages, and then it was a little bit better, but we only gained 3-4 secs/stage.
it will be nice to drive Sweden with proper tires after this!

[kabouter]

Also for the other half of Curtans RallyBase Motorsport it was a tough event.

Driver Kabouter explains: "The car was too nervous to get any kind of rhythm on the twisty first day stages. We were only able to push a little on the wider, more open sections of some stages. The slippery conditions during the second half of the day caused a few extra spins. In the end we were just happy to get through to the end. Then we screwed up the tyres for the second day. Without grip it was just sliding from one snowbank to another."

Kabouter was still upbeat about the rest of the season however: "The only way now is up! The next event will be the home event of our team founder and first driver Magnus and we are all terribly excited about competing there. We'll have to make sure to get the tyre choice correct this time though..."

[tannat]

Marcel,

Would love to see a video of you driving on any of the Sweden stages on wet tarmacs. I need to improve my technique.....


Tannat

[Marcel Haenen]

Ok, no problem, I will do one stage on wet tarmac tires tonight. I'll take on of the short ones.

[Marcel Haenen]

OK, you can download my movie from sweden SS3 on wet tarmac tires, the stage time was 1m22.45s. As you probably notice I ran it in non-mirrored mode, as I was testing for sweden.
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mjhmhaenen/movies/MVI_0943.divx

[UKOG~Will]

Will Dismayed At First Works Drive

Young English driver Will has expressed dismay at his performance at the opening round of the 2008 CMR2 WRC.

The Briton, who is now driving for the works Subaru team in the number one seat was visibly angry after completing day one in the mountains.

"You know the tarmac up there is bone dry, so many hairpins and trees and we hit so many walls and it was just pants really. I hate this rally anyway so not got my hopes up now. It's over before it's begun."

When the rally moved south for the snowy conditions, the tyre supplier Pirelli made a shock annoucement they had no studded or ice tyres for this event, and so all competitors opted for Wet tarmac tyres. This made the rally incredibly slippy for everyone in the field.

"It's crazy out there, the banks are only just keeping us on the road but I still was pushing out there so hard. I hope I got some fastest times in there, I'd like to think I did but the conditions were terrible and the car was sliding on every corner. Mental."

[I am evil Homer]

OK, you can download my movie from sweden SS3 on wet tarmac tires, the stage time was 1m22.45s. As you probably notice I ran it in non-mirrored mode, as I was testing for sweden.
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mjhmhaenen/movies/MVI_0943.divx

Mirrored or not that' still great driving....man I was so happy with my Sweden times but that is something else!

[Rat]

will be interesting to see the final times...

[Juha]

Marcel, you've exceeded your data limit, we can't see it. :(

Can you mail to me? Than I can put it online (I have plenty of space left). Address: infoArallyfoto.be ;)

[Marcel Haenen]

I also uploaded the video elsewhere. There were some problems with my own ftp...
http://www.mediafire.com/?c221ncddyx1

[Ramore]

Finally I have time to report my rally:
Day 1 was not so good. The pace was pretty ok, but almost on every stage I did some stupid mistakes. But I am satisfied with my driving, though not with my times.
Day 2 was relatively good ( I have no idea how I did, I was all over the place). I was trying to drive exactly like Marcel is driving ( btw I saw his video after that) but I couldn't do exactly what I wanted to do. I can't wait to compare my times with you. Anyway it was fun.

I hope I can score some points for the team ( Will don't be mad at me if I don't).

[UKOG~Will]

I hope I can score some points for the team ( Will don't be mad at me if I don't).

I won't be mad :p

I was actually was going to say Ramore don't be mad at me if I don't score :p

[jso1985]

Jso1985 finishes rally Monte-Carlo

"It wasn't a bad debut run in the new C4, on day 1 we knew conditions were going to get worse on day 2 so we pushed a bit more but that actually caused us to make some silly mistakes, on day 2, well... everybody knows I'm hopeless on snow...
Getting some points was and still is our goal for this rally"

No worries kabouter, you actually punished yourself with dry tarmac tyres, testes SS1 with them and I was 5 secs slower than with wet tarmac ones, so no penalties for you.

Results in a few minutes!

[jso1985]

having some problems with steve0302's timecard(Vista-XP compatibilty apparently), so until he can re-send me his times results can't be published, sorry.

Just to make your wait a bit more exciting :p we had 18 entries in this rally!

[tannat]

Just to make your wait a bit more exciting :p we had 18 entries in this rally!
:crazy:

[Pawprint]

Just re-cap (although if you can't be bothered, all will become clear very soon) what are the position/points stats for the teams cup, like, is it just the top eight get the drivers points, and they are added together, or do you get team points for being 12th, etc?

Also, everyone is aiming for points, and the occasional podium, does anyone actually think they can win?

[tannat]

Also, everyone is aiming for points, and the occasional podium, does anyone actually think they can win?

I've a good notion who can-and it's not me :p

[jso1985]

for the teams cup, same top 8 eight score for their team. the trick to win there is to put both cars on points

[I am evil Homer]

That's a lot of entries...wow :up:

Report from Homer:

"Day 1....lots of fun. We heard their might be rain but thankfully it never materialised. However with the dnow forcast for day 2 we had to push hard on the dry roads to try and be in with a shot of good points. Shakedown in the C4 was promising so we nailed it from SS1. Very good clean runs although we felt exhausted by the end of it!"

"Day 2..when they said snow they weren't joking. We had a fair idea of the stages but the Pirelli control tyre didn't offer much grip. So we had to force outselves to really concentrate and steer well clear of the snowbanks. After SS1 the car felt good and we pushed on. no major moments to report...I just wonder, despite setting good times, if they were enough overall to really get us in the Top 4 which was our aim. Lets see!"

[Juha]

having some problems with steve0302's timecard(Vista-XP compatibilty apparently), so until he can re-send me his times results can't be published, sorry.

Just to make your wait a bit more exciting :p we had 18 entries in this rally!Exclude him! I want to see the results! :p

[Pawprint]

I've a good notion who can-and it's not me

Marcel and Cyborg? :rolleyes: :eek: :confused: :eek: :s mokin:

[tannat]

Marcel and Cyborg? :rolleyes: :eek: :confused: :eek: :s mokin:

Marcel has been fairly dominant since I started this silliness not quite 4 years ago.

I've seen only Luffield (not entered), GrP (not entered), and cybrog hun (entered) take victory over him in that space of time.

Rat, jso1985, and Marcel could let you know of previous greats. I think Marcel had a coming of age from 2004-2005-good drop in times.

Check the archives at the Yahoo site. I think the forum CMR2 WRC has been in place since 2003 (?)

[Juha]

I've a good notion who can-and it's not me :p

Me neither. I might be able to snatch a fastest time away but that's it.

[Rat]

18 entries! well done peoples..

[UKOG~Will]

Yep guys that's fantastic to see well done.

And I have beaten Marcel before. I think... :D

[tannat]

Yep guys that's fantastic to see well done.

And I have beaten Marcel before. I think... :D

OOPS! Sorr to not have given you credit, Will :up:

[UKOG~Will]

no problems :P

[steve0302]

sorry for the delay guys all things should be sorted now hopefully

my results couldn't be read as i'm using vista and jso isn't

was great rally tho really enjoyed it

[jso1985]

thanks steve!

results in a few minutes!

[jso1985]

maybe a bit more :p :

But it will be with stage-by-stage results, I promise!

[UKOG~Will]

I'll be here when they're posted...see how rubbish I did :O ;)

[tannat]

But it will be with stage-by-stage results, I promise!

Cheers to Marcel for developing the program to make it easier!

:up: :up: :beer:

[UKOG~Will]

Yep nice one Marcel. :)

[jso1985]

WARNING!: Posts below this one might be spoilers, don't look at them if you don't want to know the final result yet

Resulst now available at:http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/cmr2wc/files/

*Will's times yet to be official.

Final results and standings to be published here in a moment

Huge thanks again to Marcel Haenen for all the help. :up:

[jso1985]

1.- Marcel Haenen ML Motorsports Citroën 47:20,97
2.- Will Subaru World Rally Team 49:09,57*
3.- Juha Suzuki Motorsport 50:36,73
4.- I Am Evil Homer Citroën Sport 50:46,93
5.- J.Lindstroem Frozz Motors Europe 51:27,09
6.- Zes Peugeot Sport Finland 52:00,98
7.- Tannat Suzuki Motorsport 52:21,14
8.- JTLarsen Two Basses Team Ford Europe 52:28,83
9.- Ramore Subaru World Rally Team 52:36,00
10.- NOR Two Basses Team Ford Europe 52:42,71
11.- Jso1985 Citroën Sport 52:44,40
12.- Steve0302 ARB Racers 53:51,17
13.- Rat Red Bull Toyota 55:12,61
14.- Magnus Curtans RallyBase Motorsports 56:48,81
15.- Kabouter Curtans RallyBase Motorsports 56:58,23
16.- Tuomo Peugeot Sport Finland 57:21,15
17.- Pawprint Red Bull Toyota 57:52,13
18.- Frozzy Frozz Motors Europe 59:18,05

* Will's times yet to be official
Drivers Standings:

1.- Marcel Haenen 10 points
2.- Will 8
3.- Juha 6
4.- I Am Evil Homer 5
5.- J.Lindstroem 4
6.- Zes 3
7.- Tannat 2
8.- JTLarsen 1

Teams Standings:

1.- ML Motorsports Citroën 10 points
2.- Suzuki Motorsport 8
2.- Subaru World Rally Team 8
4.- Citroën Sport 5
5.- Frozz Motors Europe 4
6.- Peugeot Sport Finland 3
7.- Two Basses Team Ford Europe 1


Thanks for participating! see you in Sweden!

[J.Lindstroem]

I'm happy with that fifth place, never thought that I would be faster on the taqr than on the snow though.. Interesting! Lets get ready for Sweden in a weeks time!

[Rat]

that's good 2 see! 18 entries and different teams. Keep it up. Well done!

[Pawprint]

Rat, Will, coming to the pub? :beer:

[Magnus]

**** Kabouter! Curtans Rallybase Motorsport actually did not finish last!!! This calls for a celebration!
It is also very impressive that we are so evenly matched, ten seconds only!
So: 14 and 15 and not finishing last. Where can we go from here? Is there any more achievements to be done in the world of rallying?
I would also like to thank Kabouter for a very fine cooperation within Curtans Rallybase Motorsport!
To the rest of you: it has been a pleasure to compete with you on this event, and we are looking forward to more barely controled slides and strange offs. Nice weekend to yall!
:D

[jso1985]

I'm certainly going to the pub, as long as I don't have to see more snow :p

[Pawprint]

Same - any advance on those stage by stage times?

[UKOG~Will]

Can I ask why my times are currently unofficial? Did I do something wrong?

[UKOG~Will]

Cheers jso all understood. PM sent

[jso1985]

Same - any advance on those stage by stage times?
what do you mean? they're already available as posted above

[Juha]

Wow, podium finish, nice. :D Well done Marcel!


Can I ask why my times are currently unofficial? Did I do something wrong?

Apart from sending times that are impossible, no. I've compared your times with those on http://www.hotlaps.de and came up with this:

1: 2 seconds slower than world record in 205 T16
2: 13 seconds slow then unchecked time, but still 7 faster then anyone else
3: you've just set a world record, congrats...
4: as fast as the fastest official time
5: see above
6: five seconds faster the best official time
7: new world record, by 7 seconds!
8: another one; by 6 seconds this time
9: close to the record

Looking at the codemaster's site, you total time is also a new record

You get my point? I'm appealing against the official results because this is just unreal. :rolleyes:

[jso1985]

now than an official appeal has been done, I'll contact two drivers that won't be afected with any change on Will's times, and the three of us will decide what to do.

[Pawprint]

were the stage times on the link? Because I just get redirected to something requiring a login or something.

Also, why are you questioning Will's times, and not Marcel's? Surely the driver finnishing first would have been faster?

[UKOG~Will]

Also, why are you questioning Will's times, and not Marcel's? Surely the driver finnishing first would have been faster?

Because my times for the snow stages were out of the ordinary. I don't know how I can prove my times, or make any person believe I went that fast. I'm absolutely sure I put wet tarmacs on and reversed the stages. 100% sure.

I was suprised with my times...I was breaking PB's in the wet tarmacs over the snow records...

I've offered to Javier that I do the rally again by this evening, with photo evidence. I'll even stick it up. :rolleyes:

But really if you don't agree or think my times are legit....then I'll do the event again if you like, or give me time penalties or notional times or just disqualify me... :(

[JTLarsen]

Will, take a look in the "Cheats" section of your game to see if you turned on "Aggressive cars" by accident!?

[NOR]

to Will
Are you allways so fast on snow rallies? In ordinary conditions (right tyres, non mirror mode) ? Maybe is something wrong in your instalation (cheat settings). Try to reinstall the game and run ordinary Sweden Rally.

[JTLarsen]

were the stage times on the link? Because I just get redirected to something requiring a login or something.

That is the Yahoo group that serve as the official homepage of this championship, you have to sign up and log in to download files (timecards, stage by stage results, etc)

[UKOG~Will]

to Will
Are you allways so fast on snow rallies? In ordinary conditions (right tyres, non mirror mode) ? Maybe is something wrong in your instalation (cheat settings). Try to reinstall the game and run ordinary Sweden Rally.

I love snow stages. I always feel fast and confident there if that's any consellation :p

[tannat]

WHERE IS CYBORG_HUN?



Happy with 7th on this demanding rally....

Bit disappointed with our day 1 performance-off the pace, but we kept our head on day 2 and it made the difference...

Notes:

REALLY good drive teammate :up: I hereb annoint you as Suzuki Driver #1 :D

I was chagrined to finish behind the organizer on tarmac for day 1 :p

Not much to pick and choose from 7th-11th-really could have gone to an of the group...

[Juha]

I've offered to Javier that I do the rally again by this evening, with photo evidence. I'll even stick it up. :rolleyes: It won't make a difference. You shakedown time was impossibly fast too, yet you had "proof" for that.

You can say whatever you want, but I'm finding it very hard to believe that you have beaten those record times. They have been set after practising for hours in the 205, the nearest WRC times are more than 10 seconds away. But suddenly, you happen to be the only one in the world to go 10 seconds faster in a WRC. Why hasn't anyone else gone so fast? If it really is possible?

The only proof I accept, is a video. You can create fake time-screenshots with a bit of photoshop handywork, but you can't fake a video.

[Magnus]

It is difficult when situations like this arise; what if Will was that fast? Guess we just have to trust him...? Or...?
questions for Will: are you a PC guy? Joystick?

[Juha]

He's on pc, he posted a screenshot of his shakedown and that couldn't have been on playstation.

[tannat]

to Will
Are you allways so fast on snow rallies? In ordinary conditions (right tyres, non mirror mode) ? Maybe is something wrong in your instalation (cheat settings). Try to reinstall the game and run ordinary Sweden Rally.

I think this suggestion is a good one...If there is a cheat related install issue running the non-mirrored Sweden on wet tarmacs should remove that variable

I don't doubt you were on the correct tires, or that you did the rally in mirrored mode, Will. But your times are significantly faster than everyone else (on the order of three standard deviations).

Go look at the CMR2 WRC archives, examine all the past years and put your self in our shoes-understand the expressed doubts and perhaps help us find a way to either validate your times or put them in perspective via an alternative rally format

[UKOG~Will]

I will withdraw from the event. I've read the times on the cmr2 page, and I realize why you are curious, or maybe suspicious about my times.

I could do a video of one stage if you like, as my camera only has 3 minutes of video availiable on the memory card...

But I don't want to be the person who brings a brilliant competition into dispute because of my times. I don't understand either since reading them on the yahoo group.

At the end of the day it might turn out I wrote them down wrong or typed in the wrong times on the Excel sheet.

So I will retire from the Monte Carlo rally. I will provide photo evidence of my times for Sweden if asked to. Many apologies for the inconvienience.

[Frozzy]

Martin Frosdick lead driver of Frozz Motors Europe releases new comments on Monte Carlo
"we are dissapointed with our results the individual stage times were ok but the over all time and position is disheartening for us we were battling with mechanical problems and that probably why. But hey next event in sweden hopefully we'll put in a better performance"

[Magnus]

[quote="Magnus"]
As it turns out, since Will has decided to retire, there is more achievements to be done in the world of rallying!!!
13th and 14th for Curtans Rallybase Motorsports. I would suggest you other guys to also consider withdrawal, who knows where we can end up then!
:D

[JTLarsen]

Will >> You have taken it like a true sportsman!!

I am confident that everybody want to see you continue to compete in this championship!

[Ramore]

Ok, I also think the right thing to do is just to withdraw from the event. Obviously your times are very fast, but may be you are just fast, nobody can say for sure. I personally do not believe you cheated or something, just because there is no point in doing that. Anyways, to keep the competition sweet this is the best thing to do. Subaru WRT is supporting you 100%.

[JTLarsen]

I have re-uploaded my tributesite to this championship:

http://jtl-media.com/rally/cmr2wc.html

[kabouter]

Will, I'm sorry things are turning out like this. I'm sure there is no cheating on purpose on your part - something must be wrong with your game settings :(

Magnus, we are excellent team mates! Closely matching times, and still room for improvement :) I'm looking forward to competing on your home event.

[I am evil Homer]

I also don't believe Will 'cheated' or purpose if he did all the correct set ups - but it sounds like their might be a problem with the game settings. It's annoyiong but my mirrored stages didn't work until I deleted all profiles, re-booted the PS2 and started again using the cheat codes for mirrored stages, all stages and all cars.

For whatever reason it then worked fine!

Oh and I guess that means I scored a podium :up: :D

[tannat]

I will withdraw from the event.

I really don't think you should retire, Will. This issue should be researched until a justification is found.

While there are no more wet tarmac/mirrored Sweden rounds this year, there are several mirrored rounds-who is to say this does not happen again?

I trust your times-I don't need screen shots-etc.....

For me I think hearing times from Sweden, non-mirrored, with wet tarmacs would give some insight (they should be somewhat close)

If they remained the same that would clear the mud a great deal in my book...

Alternatively doing novice stages only by playing as a guest with no profile entered (see Homer's suggestion) might also shed some light



But don't retire. I don't think you've done anything wrong, and it's unfair to punsh yourself...

[jso1985]

Will, I'm sorry things are turning out like this. I'm sure there is no cheating on purpose on your part - something must be wrong with your game settings :(


this actually reminds me of a problem the championship had like 5 years go, when I just joined(around April 2003) some drivers where still talking about a problem that happened in the 2002 Wales Rally GB, where two drivers(who shared the computer) got unreal times, after some time it was discovered that the game "went crazy" after they installed some patch for other game(or at least that's what I understood, never got to read the official explanation of what really happened), and the problem was apparently fixed by re-installing the game.

Maybe you should try that Will, I trust you you didn't cheat on purpose, but you might be doing it without your knowledge, and if not fixed the problem may appear again on every mirrored rally. try some of the solutions suggested here please.

I'll update the results soon.

[UKOG~Will]

Thanks guys. ;)

I still feel I should retire since the first day was also mirrored - were my times all ok for that too? If not..then..there's something wrong and I will re-install.

[UKOG~Will]

Monte Carlo Results as of 3 February 2008


1.- Marcel Haenen ML Motorsports Citroën 47:20,97
2.- Juha Suzuki Motorsport 50:36,73
3.- I Am Evil Homer Citroën Sport 50:46,93
4.- J.Lindstroem Frozz Motors Europe 51:27,09
5.- Zes Peugeot Sport Finland 52:00,98
6.- Tannat Suzuki Motorsport 52:21,14
7.- JTLarsen Two Basses Team Ford Europe 52:28,83
8.- Ramore Subaru World Rally Team 52:36,00
9.- NOR Two Basses Team Ford Europe 52:42,71
10.- Jso1985 Citroën Sport 52:44,40
11.- Steve0302 ARB Racers 53:51,17
12.- Rat Red Bull Toyota 55:12,61
13.- Magnus Curtans RallyBase Motorsports 56:48,81
14.- Kabouter Curtans RallyBase Motorsports 56:58,23
15.- Tuomo Peugeot Sport Finland 57:21,15
16.- Pawprint Red Bull Toyota 57:52,13
17.- Frozzy Frozz Motors Europe 59:18,05
W/D. Will Subaru World Rally Team 49:09,57
Drivers Standings:

1.- Marcel Haenen 10 points
2.- Juha 8
3.- I Am Evil Homer 6
4.- J.Lindstroem 5
5.- Zes 4
6.- Tannat 3
7.- JTLarsen 2
8.- Ramore 1

Teams Standings:

1.- ML Motorsports Citroën 10 points
2.- Suzuki Motorsport 8
3.- Citroën Sport 5
4.- Frozz Motors Europe 4
5.- Peugeot Sport Finland 3
6.- Two Basses Team Ford Europe 1
6.- Subaru World Rally Team 1

[Juha]

Will >> You have taken it like a true sportsman!!I agree. :)

[Juha]

The team's standings were incorrect, it should be like this:
Teams Standings:

1.- Suzuki Motorsport 11 points
2.- ML Motorsports Citroën 10
3.- Citroën Sport 6
4.- Frozz Motors Europe 5
5.- Peugeot Sport Finland 4
6.- Two Basses Team Ford Europe 2
6.- Subaru World Rally Team 1

Suzuki leads. :s mokin:

[JTLarsen]

The team's standings were incorrect, it should be like this...

Did Two Basses Ford Team Europe get 2 points??

[Juha]

You finished 7th, that's 2 points. ;)

Unless you don't want them, I'd be happy to adopt them. :D

[UKOG~Will]

Monte Carlo Results as of 3 February 2008


1.- Marcel Haenen ML Motorsports Citroën 47:20,97
2.- Juha Suzuki Motorsport 50:36,73
3.- I Am Evil Homer Citroën Sport 50:46,93
4.- J.Lindstroem Frozz Motors Europe 51:27,09
5.- Zes Peugeot Sport Finland 52:00,98
6.- Tannat Suzuki Motorsport 52:21,14
7.- JTLarsen Two Basses Team Ford Europe 52:28,83
8.- Ramore Subaru World Rally Team 52:36,00
9.- NOR Two Basses Team Ford Europe 52:42,71
10.- Jso1985 Citroën Sport 52:44,40
11.- Steve0302 ARB Racers 53:51,17
12.- Rat Red Bull Toyota 55:12,61
13.- Magnus Curtans RallyBase Motorsports 56:48,81
14.- Kabouter Curtans RallyBase Motorsports 56:58,23
15.- Tuomo Peugeot Sport Finland 57:21,15
16.- Pawprint Red Bull Toyota 57:52,13
17.- Frozzy Frozz Motors Europe 59:18,05
W/D. Will Subaru World Rally Team 49:09,57
Drivers Standings:

1.- Marcel Haenen 10 points
2.- Juha 8
3.- I Am Evil Homer 6
4.- J.Lindstroem 5
5.- Zes 4
6.- Tannat 3
7.- JTLarsen 2
8.- Ramore 1

Teams Standings:

1.- Suzuki Motorsport 11 points
2.- ML Motorsports Citroën 10
3.- Citroën Sport 6
4.- Frozz Motors Europe 5
5.- Peugeot Sport Finland 4
6.- Two Basses Team Ford Europe 2
6.- Subaru World Rally Team 1

updated

[JTLarsen]

You finished 7th, that's 2 points. ;)

Unless you don't want them, I'd be happy to adopt them. :D

Hey, don't prey on those unfamiliar with the new rules! :D

[Juha]

When will the Sweden thread be started? I want to do the shakedown, I have plenty of time. :D

[jso1985]

Stage-by-stage resuls now also updated

[cyborg_hun]

Sorry Guys, I had to postpone this event. I had no time, but I try to pick up myself, because I like the snow.
Well Done Marcel for the victory, another amazing performance! I saw your video, and I found the 3-5 second difference that is between us :) On the video everything seems to so easy, but in fact….. :)
If you have more videos, please share with us. I’ll try to share my style with Keyboard/AutoTransmission too :)

[Zes]

Peugeot Sport Finland is very pleased to see their #1 driver Zes in pos 5 in Monte. First day we drove too carefully and lost some time, but in day 2 we managed to climb up. It was also very nice to see our #2 driver Tuomo scoring two top-5 times in day two. Not bad from a 5 years old driver!!!

Our pace on the snow looks promising for Rally Sweden.