Gather round everybody.....

[racing59]

I am unauthorised to disperse the following pencil and rubber dust, though the use of a slate, stick of chalk, and damp sponge may be more like it....

Some dates (extremely very certainly provisional) for your diary...

4th/5th May....Snetterton - Road Course
8th May..........Silverstone - Road Course
1st June.........Brands Hatch Indy - Road Course
19th June.......Silverstone - Road Course
12th July........R O C K I N G H A M (very very very extremely very certainly provisional) OVAL :)
19th/20th July.Farnborough Air Show - Sprint & Pit Stop Challenge
31st July........Silverstone - Road Course
21st August....Silverstone - Road Course
TBA (Sept or Oct) Santa Pod - DRAG RACE! Season Finale & Party!

Aye Thangyow!

Rob.

And if you didn't notice - the Silverstone dates are all Thursdays........

[Henry Cutts]

Interesting, would the Silverstone dates be evenings? It’s a nice diverse championship with road course, oval, sprint, and drag race!! all we need is a rally! fingers crossed its all in pen soon.

[Chigley]

I am unauthorised to disperse the following pencil and rubber dust, though the use of a slate, stick of chalk, and damp sponge may be more like it....

Some dates (extremely very certainly provisional) for your diary...

4th/5th May....Snetterton - Road Course
8th May..........Silverstone - Road Course
1st June.........Brands Hatch Indy - Road Course
19th June.......Silverstone - Road Course
12th July........R O C K I N G H A M (very very very extremely very certainly provisional) OVAL :)
19th/20th July.Farnborough Air Show - Sprint & Pit Stop Challenge
31st July........Silverstone - Road Course
21st August....Silverstone - Road Course
TBA (Sept or Oct) Santa Pod - DRAG RACE! Season Finale & Party!

Aye Thangyow!

Rob.

And if you didn't notice - the Silverstone dates are all Thursdays........

Lifted from the Parc Ferme website, anything look familiar?

The provisional 2008 POWERnights calendar is –

1. Thursday 08 May − Silverstone, National Circuit

2. Thursday 19 June − Silverstone, National Circuit

3. Thursday 31 July − Silverstone, National Circuit

4. Thursday 21 August − Silverstone, National Circuit

[Nick Brad]

I see no mention of Mallory, please can TPTB arrange a race or two round there. Worth it for the fried breakfast alone.

[racing59]

I should add that any provisional possibly maybe operation on those , ahem, dates is subject to the cars being hushed down to 98dB, which again is all very very provisional and subject to approval from the Archbishop of Canterbury, and a following wind in the right direction.

Oh, and we're not a championship this year. Just a "series" - hence being able to do things like Farnborough and Santa Pod, or even maybe possibly who knows if we're ever quiet enough, Thursday evenings.

No Nick, no Mallory. Please change your sig - scsaracing no longer exists - it's v8trophy.com. Muchos Gracias.

Rob.

[racing59]

Interesting, would the Silverstone dates be evenings? It’s a nice diverse championship with road course, oval, sprint, and drag race!! all we need is a rally! fingers crossed its all in pen soon.

Don't give Duane ideas like that. Though we could always put some knobblies on the two seater(s)........ Spotter in the passenger seat?

[ASCAR24/7/365.5]

it will be intersting to see what happens with the santa pod date in spetember/october. as he cars arent msa legal for drag racing they will have to be run as a rwyb style event, just like the british truck racing championship did this year, and i have been doing all year in my legend....tis cracking fun!

[Speedworx]

Doubt I'll see any V8 Trophy races this season.

Leave me free to attend other series in 2008.

[Tiesse]

4th/5th May....Snetterton - Road Course
8th May..........Silverstone - Road Course
1st June.........Brands Hatch Indy - Road Course
19th June.......Silverstone - Road Course
12th July........R O C K I N G H A M (very very very extremely very certainly provisional) OVAL :)
19th/20th July.Farnborough Air Show - Sprint & Pit Stop Challenge
31st July........Silverstone - Road Course
21st August....Silverstone - Road Course
TBA (Sept or Oct) Santa Pod - DRAG RACE! Season Finale & Party!

If the Silverstone dates are evening events, it looks like I'll only be taking Ryan to Rockingham (if it happens from what you say above Rob) & possibly Santa Pod. Evening meetings are too late for him. I am personally gutted, but if it keeps the series going then so be it!

If the Rockingham meeting doesn't happen, looks like I'll be doing the same as Speedworx (another series). Shame.

[ASCAR24/7/365.5]

ps..rob im assuming it wil have to be run under a rwyb format cos the v8 trophy cars arent msa legal for dragracing, just like my legend......do you think there would be a chance of getin the pickups and legends to come for a drag race on the same weekend...hehe ill bring mine along but i may have a bit of a headstart on the rest of ya!...im just intregued to see what uarter mile a v8 trophy car would do. at the moment im doing a 13.0/103 in my legend which is completely standard and in oval trim, i think it would just go into the 12 second bracket if i push the car off the start line...ill try and upload a video of the car onto youtube if i can in the next couple of days

[ASCAR24/7/365.5]

uploaded the vid here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX7IJbFpjPc

hope you like

[Glen 320]

Nice local meeting for me at snetterton.
Hey Rob what sort of speed would the V8s be hitting at the end of the back straight?

[The White Lady]

Like Tiesse, we are also disappointed with the calendar as outlined by racing59 - Pitkid is big enough for evening meetings, but two of them are out because of his Orchestra commitments; 12th July is a Saturday - Orchestra again :( . Santa Pod is a maybe - close enough to home, but if it's a Saturday....
Sadly it looks as if what is good for the series and drivers isn't so good for some of us die hard fans. Without the old supporters it might be hard to get new ones on board, but good luck guys - I'm sure you'll carry on having loads of fun without us.

Will definitely miss the racing on the big oval, feel the thunder, hear the noise.

The White Lady closes the door quietly on her way out. (sniff, sniff)

[LessThanSte]

So we've gone from a series with the majority (read: all!) events at Rockingham to a series with the majority of events at Silverstone. Sigh.

Wouldnt mind but its a crap place to watch races from. Might pop along to one meeting if it does infact go ahead.

Oval Racing @ Rockingham......the end is, apparently, nigh!

[racing59]

Hey, come on, don't get so down!

The main aim is for the series to stay alive, and build back up to a decent grid of people who "want" to be there, not people who are paid to be there. That's the only way to make something sustainable.

IF we can get grids of 20+ for our races this season, I can't see why we won't be welcomed back with open arms for 2009.

Motorsport is a costly business. No circuit or race organiser is going to run something that operates at a loss. The sad fact is the SCSA ran at a loss for most of it's life, and after 2005, those losses were born by they BRSCC, not the circuit.

As an aside...

We've said it before, we desperately need another "proper" oval in this country, one which is circa 0.6mile, (high) banked, and capable of holding a decent crowd (10000 plus).

Luton Town football club is going down the tubes, yet the council is desperate to get them out of their existing site (for development) and to build a new multi-purpose stadium near J10 of the M1. I have suggested that the stadium is a 0.5mile banked oval, with the pitch in the middle. Temporary grandstand seating could put put on the track, and then towed off again to run a race meeting. With it being high bank (33deg), if they made if 1km long (5/8mile) then it would make a very good Velodrome for the cyclopaths to race on. Proper multi-purpose stadium for ball kickers and racers of all horsepower!

If the football club does go down the tubes, so what, the stadium get's used still!

Now, back on track....

Silverstone - evenings. IF, and it is a big IF we did go there, it fits our bill. The type of racing we (and the pickups) do is entertainment first. It's a show, and that's what these meetings are about. Public Entertainment. They are run for that purpose.

What is good about those meetings, they are sold as a test day, with a race meeting attached (from a competitor's point of view), and they are very good value for money. From a spectator's point of view - they get to see big grid racing, most meetings have a BBQ, some are even down to have a band on for entertainment. The meetings that ran in 2007 were a success on both counts, and even with limited marketing, were a credit to the team that operated them (take a bow Jeff!!).

So, in Summery. Rain at times. And the end isn't nigh, the re-birth is nigh!

Rob.

[racing59]

Nice local meeting for me at snetterton.
Hey Rob what sort of speed would the V8s be hitting at the end of the back straight?

Not too sure. On a shakedown test, my Thundersaloon Astra Saloon pulled 167 with binding (glowing cherry red) rear brakes, and exiting Sear in 1st. Should have been 2nd but kept jumping out!. Though it's got almost 300 bhp more than an ASCAR.

Ric Wood's Thundersaloon Calibra (running 730bhp Chevy) pulled 197 according to his datalogger just before the Esses in a Formula Saloons Race.

I'd expect to see 170 without any grief. Then it'll be a case of stopping them, lap after lap after lap! Now that'll be fun!

[PitMarshal]

It looks like it'll be thank you and goodnight from me as well. Powernights are out as I have to work during the week, and Snetterton is quite frankly too far away. Just have to hope I can make it to Brands.

If this is what is needed to see the 'series' survive, then so be it, but personally I'm very disappointed with the propose dates as outlined by Rob. I shall just keep my fingers crossed that there is a better offering in twelve months time.

[LessThanSte]

Silverstone - evenings. IF, and it is a big IF we did go there, it fits our bill. The type of racing we (and the pickups) do is entertainment first. It's a show, and that's what these meetings are about. Public Entertainment. They are run for that purpose.


Interesting that you say this. Oval Racing is, indeed, a spectacle and highly entertaining. Racing at Silverstone, though, is not Oval racing and as such is likely to be quite a bit more dull. It might be moderately entertaining, abit like touring cars perhaps, but certainly nothing near Oval racing and it seems silly to suggest otherwise.

The trucks have got rave reviews on road courses because they can (and do) run nose to tail with plenty of side by side, just like on the oval. But the cars can barely manage it on the oval so i find it unlikely that the same will occur on road courses.

Of course, i hope im proved wrong. To me its all down to how the SCSA started life that has brought it to this. I know that we do need drivers but fans are, arguably, more important (or at least, AS important) and moving away from Rockingham takes away the main reason people go to see oval racing!

Oh, fully agreed about needing another 'big' oval btw, a half to 3/4 mile track with decent banking (15 ish) would be fantastic. Look at Richmond and what its done since being reconfigured, if a location could be found and night racing started, the fans would pour in, im sure!

[Sticker Rub]

So we've gone from a series with the majority (read: all!) events at Rockingham to a series with the majority of events at Silverstone. Sigh.

Wouldnt mind but its a crap place to watch races from.

It is a crap place to watch racing but with Rockingham being the best kept secret in motorsport & Silverstone being the self-proclaimed "home of British motorsport", Silverstone will always draw more punters. The Powernights concept was a success last year & is the kind of innovative thinking that the V8s have always been associated with so there's a good fit there (& I like to think that the Jeff factor won't hurt either). Ok, so it's not oval racing but it's getting the series out to a new audience who hopefully will want to come & see them back on the oval. The PuTs have been a huge success "away from home" & really made people sit up & take notice.

The V8s have to grab people's attention on traditional circuits & get enough people interested that they want to see them elsewhere. The future of ASCAR is in its own hands & it's great to see the formula refusing to lie down & die & trying something new to survive.


Oval Racing @ Rockingham......the end is, apparently, nigh!

You're forgetting the PuTs which will run on the oval 4 times this year.

[LessThanSte]

But i put it to you this way, will people be impressed by the V8's on a twisty road course, more so than, say, caterhams or touring cars or something?

Im not knocking the series as such, i want it to be a success and its a real shame that one of the countries best series is struggling so much. In reality there are lots of ideas but none are ideal for all partys. Such is life!

Regarding the last comment, i'd forgotten about that. What, though, is the sense in not running with the pickups? Maybe if we just got the usual crowd along rather than expecting a load of new drivers to come along, it would be better than nothing. Or was the decision to only do 1 oval meeting as a kind of cost cutting measure?

[Nick Brad]

I'm guessing that the decision to cut Rockingham dates was either made by the track owner or as a way to cut costs, no one wants to pay over £1000 per weekend with no guarantee of track time, something the pickups don't have to worry about.

[Dave17]

Like Pitmarshal I to will not be able to make Silverstone. As Rob says, power nights are a practice with a few races tagged on at the end and marahals have to be there from midday.

[car20]

the powernights i believe were screened on motors tv last year so if that is the case this year exposure is good ?as long as there is a good grid size!

build from the bottom up is what i have said before IT IS going to take LONGER to get to were V8 racing was, than the quick fall from grace that has happened. but from a point of view it is still alive and out there is good, but if there is no growth then it is good night sweetheart. BUT since 2005 we had 6/7 cars 2006 9/12cars and 2007 10/14cars so there is growth when the grids gets up to 18/20 and is back on msa approved list then we will go back to rockingham more THE place is a business and needs to make money as has been stated.

my own plans well if the rockingham date is a GO i will be there the others i can't.

OH MY SON HAS ASKED IF HE CAN DONATE HIS £10 POCKET MONEY TO THE CAUSE?

[car20]

another thing is (i don't know if it has been discussed) is about lowering the licence to a 'B' I don't know if the 'A' requirement it has now if because of engine size or because they ran on the oavl??

[racing59]

The National A requirement was because of it being one-make and 460bhp.

Any change to National B would require engine restrictors to circa 400bhp.

Also, Rookie Training is still required for the oval.

With track time at Rockingham working out at £100/minute, our 160minutes obviously cost £16000 per meeting. With 10 cars it doesn't take a brain surgeon to work out that a begrudged payment of £1000 per car leaves the BRSCC with a loss of £6000 per meeting. Getting 1000 spectators extra through the gate would make up for that, but somehow the idea of marketing "club" motorsport is lost on these people.

In my cloud cuckoo land world of properly promoted motorsport - where the mass media is behind the sport. The grandstands would be full, 50,000 people through the gate paying £10 each to get in. Gross Purse £500K. Marketing per meeting £250K, Venue "cost" £50K per meeting, Prize Money £100K per meeting. Profit - £100K.

I know, I'm dreaming. You need something to market first. 10 cars isn't enough. In fact 10 cars, 24 pickups isn't enough. We need 24-30 cars, 24-30 pickups, and something else, to make six oval ring-ding fast oval races.
I keep saying we need a Formula Atlantic-esque style single seater formula.

But then again, you have to be wanted by the circuit owner/MD/manager who needs to sing from the same hymnbook. Something that is not the case at the moment.

Rob.

[jeffmr2]

Good luck guys with the planned season,hopefully it will provide the springboard to success youre looking for and a full return to rockingham in 2009.The powernights sounds interesting but i would need 2 days off work to attend so its unlikely i'll make it.Fingers crossed the rockingham event goes ahead.

Theres 2 questions i'd like to raise

If its "merely" a matter of money to hire rockingham then cant some sort of fund be set up for us fans to donate into.There hopefully are enough of us out here to put our money where our mouths are and hire the rock for a day.Maybe then we could have a 100 lapper event,invite camso v8's and babygrands along :) :)

If,as ive read,the pickups are still racing at the rock without the v8's what is the programme of events likely to be? I missed not going to rockingham in 2007 and would be gutted not to be there this year but there would need to be some great supporting acts to the pick ups to get me there. Please everyone dont use this question as an excuse to kick off the pick ups v stockcars debate again.

[racing59]

Merely the Matter of Money : For the 160mins of track time that the V8's and the Pickups both use, that's £16000 per meeting at current rates.

Now, to hire the circuit with gate money, and all of the ancillary staff etc.. it'll cost you circa £50K for the weekend.

Read my previous post for a cloud cuckoo land costing, and you'll see that at that rate, with £10 per ticket, you need 30,000 people to break even. at £20 that needs 15000 to break even.

Camso's in their "standard" form wouldn't run on the 1.5mile speedway according to Roland Vandermeersch. However, some of the guys who race in the series said that they would "have a go" ie: make the required changes.
A lot of their cars are short track offset chassis jobbies, some with 2speed boxes, and not enough side impact protection for high speed impacts. There's a big difference in hitting the wall at 80-100mph, and hitting it at 150+
I'm not saying that I wouldn't like to see another V8 formula on the circuit, but only if it's one that's up to the job.

Babygrands. Yep.

I'd still love to see the Legends on the big oval - suitably geared up, so they're not revving their doodahs off, and maybe with a restrictor in their inlets to hold them back - that would make them last as they'd be pretty well flat out otherwise.

Cloud cuckoo land time again - a spot of extra tarmac between T1 and T4 to make a short 1mile-ish oval.

Now - programme of events - typical BRSCC meetings for most of them. Take something to read in case you get bored with Formula Procession single seaters, but expect fireworks with some others.

The July meeting is a BRSCC/EERC meeting, which means some endurance racing, but the LMA Eurosaloons is there - which means a mix of saloons (and a few GT's) from Escort Cossies, one make geriatrics like Proton's / R5's / CRX's / Rover 216 or Tomcats, and well worth waiting for - ex-Super Tourers! The fastest touringcars since the Gp.A days. Though you never know - some old Gp.A Tourers turn up now and then (Sierra Cosworths), and even ex-Thundersaloons.

Have a nose on the BRSCC site for more calendar info. It should be there in a week or so - if it's not there already.

Rob.

[racing59]

Merely the Matter of Money : For the 160mins of track time that the V8's and the Pickups both use, that's £16000 per meeting at current rates.

Now, to hire the circuit with gate money, and all of the ancillary staff etc.. it'll cost you circa £50K for the weekend.

Read my previous post for a cloud cuckoo land costing, and you'll see that at that rate, with £10 per ticket, you need 30,000 people to break even. at £20 that needs 15000 to break even.

Camso's in their "standard" form wouldn't run on the 1.5mile speedway according to Roland Vandermeersch. However, some of the guys who race in the series said that they would "have a go" ie: make the required changes.
A lot of their cars are short track offset chassis jobbies, some with 2speed boxes, and not enough side impact protection for high speed impacts. There's a big difference in hitting the wall at 80-100mph, and hitting it at 150+
I'm not saying that I wouldn't like to see another V8 formula on the circuit, but only if it's one that's up to the job.

Babygrands. Yep.

I'd still love to see the Legends on the big oval - suitably geared up, so they're not revving their doodahs off, and maybe with a restrictor in their inlets to hold them back - that would make them last as they'd be pretty well flat out otherwise.

Cloud cuckoo land time again - a spot of extra tarmac between T1 and T4 to make a short 1mile-ish oval.

Now - programme of events - typical BRSCC meetings for most of them. Take something to read in case you get bored with Formula Procession single seaters, but expect fireworks with some others.

The July meeting is a BRSCC/EERC meeting, which means some endurance racing, but the LMA Eurosaloons is there - which means a mix of saloons (and a few GT's) from Escort Cossies, one make geriatrics like Proton's / R5's / CRX's / Rover 216 or Tomcats, and well worth waiting for - ex-Super Tourers! The fastest touringcars since the Gp.A days. Though you never know - some old Gp.A Tourers turn up now and then (Sierra Cosworths), and even ex-Thundersaloons.

Have a nose on the BRSCC site for more calendar info. It should be there in a week or so - if it's not there already.

Rob.

[Nick Brad]

The National A requirement was because of it being one-make and 460bhp.

Any change to National B would require engine restrictors to circa 400bhp.

Also, Rookie Training is still required for the oval.

Rob.

If that's the only thing stopping the drop to Nat B, shouldn't we be looking into it as a serious proposition. Let's bolt some restrictors on together with the decibel reduction required for this year and drop them down below the threshold for Nat B licencing. The show isn't going to lose out on much by dropping 50-60bhp, but it's going to gain lots by opening the field up to a much larger pool of drivers.

[LessThanSte]

Oh btw, will the v8's race in the wet on the road courses?

[racing59]

Yep!
And on the oval.

[LessThanSte]

:|

:d:d:d:d

[LessThanSte]

:|

:D :D :D :D

Thats the best news ive heard, like, ever. Cant wait to watch v8's on the oval in the wet!

[racing59]

Now don't rain on our parade!

I would have said p but that'll get my wrist slapped by Reynard!

[Reynard]

Now don't rain on our parade!

I would have said p but that'll get my wrist slapped by Reynard!

*giggle* ;)

[Dave17]

The July meeting is a BRSCC/EERC meeting, which means some endurance racing,

Rob.

The EERC bit of that meeting has been canned.

[racing59]

Reeeeehhheeeeally?

Perhaps that's why we're sniffing in there for some track time then...

Rob.

[Tractorboy.]

Snetterton is just fine with me!! A few of the crew live right near it!!

[Abo]

I'd expect to see 170 without any grief. Then it'll be a case of stopping them, lap after lap after lap! Now that'll be fun!

http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=1

[Abo]

If only this was done four years ago...

I agree with Nick here; if it is all that is needed, drop the horsepower and open it up to Nat B competitors. The cars are injected; is it not possible to remap them to run less power? Might as well make the change to Bioethanol at the same time.

[hicksy]

http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=1


LOL!! A couple of those should help.

[briggs'mechanic]

Well I am quite gutted that the V8's won't be with part of the Rockingham package with us, But I'm sure we'll see you back there good luck with your season guys and if I'm not with Briggsy on any of the weeknds I'll come and watch and even offer to spanner for any of you if need be. Oh and Happy New year Y'all

[Gasman#99]

Well I am quite gutted that the V8's won't be with part of the Rockingham package with us, But I'm sure we'll see you back there good luck with your season guys and if I'm not with Briggsy on any of the weeknds I'll come and watch and even offer to spanner for any of you if need be. Oh and Happy New year Y'all

Thanks we hope to be back soon, and happy new year to you and everybody from all the Revolution crew.

[racing59]

http://en.lewmar.com/products/index.aspx?lang=1&page_id=1

I was looking at the menu items on the left, and though.. waheeeyy! Just what I need to get to the front - Thrusters!

It'll need to rain a lot for them to work though.

Still, this is England....

[racing59]

If only this was done four years ago...

I agree with Nick here; if it is all that is needed, drop the horsepower and open it up to Nat B competitors. The cars are injected; is it not possible to remap them to run less power? Might as well make the change to Bioethanol at the same time.

It's cheaper to fit a restrictor in the inlet, a little like putting a brick under the throttle, rather than on it!

Yes, Bioethanol has been investigated, however, it requires investment to do the work, and that's money the series doesn't have.

It's a case of chicken and egg - the series needs money to do the development work to run on bioethanol to get an interested sponsor to pay for it....

I've scoured the internurd for anyone that has run a LS1 (or variant) on Bioethanol (E85 to be more precise). As yet, nobody has done it.

There's plenty of "theory" out there, but no hard facts.

Other than a remap - it'll require stainless steel fuel lines, a different fuel bladder, or at least a different foam. Perhaps different seals on the injectors, and inline filters. Ethanol eats ordinary seals & gaskets.

One thing people do forget is that a lot of race fuels, and "super unleaded" contains 5, maybe 10% ethanol, and if left - the ethanol can settle to the bottom of the tank, and it doesn't do them any favours.

Rob.

[hmmm - donuts]

Any idea when will the dates be firmed up?

It was mentioned in an earlier post that the SCSA cars will be able to run in the wet. I was under the impression that the cars are a) not equipped with wipers, and b) that the windscreens are perspex or similar, and would scratch up if wipers were used. Hopefully I'm wrong - can anyone enlighten me?

Regards.

[ss_collins]

If you guys are missing your big V8 oval fix - all may not be lost - I hear whispers of the full CAMSO V8 field running on the Mallory Mile, and at Lydden. As well as at Warneton (if you in Kent - quicker to get to than the Rock!). I've driven a CAMSO at Warneton, and I'll be racing them next year - I've been chatting to my guys in NC, and they tell me that these short track cars are proper US stock cars identical to those raced in the states. I looked at SCSA, and a few years ago very nearly went into Pickups (I had a deal but my sponsor fell through at the last minute). Now I'm finally making the switch and only CAMSO had what I was after - a full season of proper NASCAR type racing. I'd urge you all to come and have a look - I don't see why the SCSA cars couldn't run at Mallory under the CAMSO banner - imagine the big grid on the mile!

[racing59]

You know why we won't run. 300kg,

That's the main reason. It's worth about 3-4tenths around Warneton, it'll be the best part of a second around Mallory.

The CAMSO is a proper lefthander chassis, designed for short tracks, the ASCAR is realistically a road course car which "does ovals".

Would you put your old Formula Vee up against a Formula Renault?

It'd be like putting a CAMSO up against an ASCAR on the big oval at Rockingham. Personally I would't because the lefthander chassis wouldn't take a 150mph hit in the wall like an Howe "M" chassis would.
And with the amount of leftside bias that a CAMSO has, it's a recipe for disaster on a long track.

[racing59]

Any idea when will the dates be firmed up?

It was mentioned in an earlier post that the SCSA cars will be able to run in the wet. I was under the impression that the cars are a) not equipped with wipers, and b) that the windscreens are perspex or similar, and would scratch up if wipers were used. Hopefully I'm wrong - can anyone enlighten me?

Regards.

When ASCAR was devised, the cars were going to run on road courses too, and as such, the MSA insisted that the cars had brake and rain lights, and wipers.

Wipers on plastic screens isn't a problem, providing you are aware that the screen won't last like a glass one.

Yes, we're fitting wipers (again) and brake & rain lights (again) and what's more, hushing them down to meet normal circuit regs.

Rob.

[Nick Brad]

I'm very aware of what the CAMSO cars are having a big interest in US short track racing and I agree with Rob, there's no place that the two series could run at the same time and be equal. Being on the same bill though, that's a different matter and is something that could possibly be looked at in the future.
I always thought it was a shame that the Camso boys weren't invited to ovalfest/motorfest as they'd have put on a great show on the 0.6 mile oval. Let me know when the cars are at Mallory though and i'll make sure I come and see them in action.
By the way, if you tear your Camso up, it'll be $2495 for a new one. ;) http://www.lefthanderchassis.com

[kjb]

lets hope rob that you go better on the road courses than you did on the oval last year ;-), and unless i'm mistaken the ascars were originaly made for much shorter ovals than the rock, i.e 3/4 mile ish!!!

[bravheart]

[quote="racing59"]

It'd be like putting a CAMSO up against an ASCAR on the big oval at Rockingham. Personally I would't because the lefthander chassis wouldn't take a 150mph hit in the wall like an Howe "M" chassis would.


MMMmm and i know all about that 1!!! :o )

[racing59]

Returning to the origins of this thread... dates....

Brands is off, for reasons beyond our control. The BRSCC has lost that date, so not much we can do about it.

And Kev - I had the fastest V7 out there! I know that the ASA ran on shorter (down to 1/4mile) ovals, but the fact remains, they are not an offset chassis where the CAMSO is, and because of the extra strengthening for safety, they weigh 300Kg more than a CAMSO. There's a lot more metal in a Howe "M" chassis than a Lefthander offset chassis - thats also born out with the fact that our engines are some 70Kg lighter than theirs being all alloy.

Yes, Nick, it would have been great to see them on the short "oval" at Rockingham. Alas, it did not happen, and with Motor/Oval/whateverfest now cancelled, it's not likely to happen in the foreseeable future.

Rob.

[Dave17]

Let me know when the cars are at Mallory though and i'll make sure I come and see them in action.
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The Incarace meeting at Mallory is down for the 11th May. I'm not saying the CAMSO's will be there but they would certainly suit the meeting.

[Nick Brad]

If it's not Camso's or BG's then I shalln't go, although I have wanted to see the rebels in action for a few years now.

[Abo]

It's cheaper to fit a restrictor in the inlet, a little like putting a brick under the throttle, rather than on it!

Lets do that then, and open the series up!

[racing59]

I'm just about to start on tweaking the rules to take into account the differences we need for road courses (brakes, suspension, bodywork [to allow brake ducting])

The brake regs will be open to a little tweaking maybe after we do a test to see if they can cope.

More once it's agreed.

Rob.

[NOBBY3]

And if you didn't notice - the Silverstone dates are all Thursdays........





well that`s me finished with the V8`s then
Thursday nights no good for me never get there in time

shame :(

missed two race weekends since the beginning

one Breakdown and a long wait for the AA on the M1
and a holiday


any way good luck with the new format


(just keep Jeff away from booking bands/music acts it never worked last time ;) )

[Nick Brad]

That wasn't Jeff's department was it?
I don't want to reignite that whole debate, but I think it was a good idea even if I only watched the music at the F3 event, (Sugababes,) and The Darkness.

[Abo]

That wasn't Jeff's department was it?
I don't want to reignite that whole debate

Aww, but that's one of my favourites!

[darknessrock]

How about some proper lunchtime entertainment??..
http://www.robosaurus4sale.com/new/sale/index.html
Some other nice stuff in the same auction too, http://www.barrett-jackson.com

[syd]

31st July........Silverstone - Road Course

PARTY........Monkey's birthday, get the flags out!

[Stuart26]

Has the world gone mad.
My PC has been down for a while so i havent been keeping up with things.
Put wipers on lights on and make a V8 less noisey,and then go round a road course IN THE WET i must start to put more water in my drink because this cant really be happening can it or is this just a good wind up.Looks like i will have to go and watch lawnmower racing.I am sorry if i have missed the point but i remember all those people fighting to keep this series real and oval with amazing drivers hossing round at 170 plus now we are talking about straight lines at Santa Pod. I stuck by this through thick and thin when the doom mongers were on there high horse, Sadly nomore Bye Guys

[Abo]

Has the world gone mad.
My PC has been down for a while so i havent been keeping up with things.
Put wipers on lights on and make a V8 less noisey,and then go round a road course IN THE WET i must start to put more water in my drink because this cant really be happening can it or is this just a good wind up.Looks like i will have to go and watch lawnmower racing.I am sorry if i have missed the point but i remember all those people fighting to keep this series real and oval with amazing drivers hossing round at 170 plus now we are talking about straight lines at Santa Pod. I stuck by this through thick and thin when the doom mongers were on there high horse, Sadly nomore Bye Guys

Maybe you can try pulling a V8 racing series out of your arse then? At least some people round here are trying to keep them running *somewhere* and salvage a future series...

[Gasman#99]

Maybe you can try pulling a V8 racing series out of your arse then? At least some people round here are trying to keep them running *somewhere* and salvage a future series...
myself and kjb have this evening been in our unit where theres 4 of said cars above all wrapped up for bed, god its cold down there.

[racing59]

Have you got that b* jig installed yet?

Come on, I have two chassis' in need of TLC!

[Stuart26]

Abo
I have a huge arse and believe me if i could pull something out of it that pleased you i would.Dont for one minute think i am dissing anyone one involved in this sport far from it.Ihope those involved make it work and if this is the way to go then thumbs up,If it means the cars come back to Rockinham and have not got enough garages to go round then i will be first in the queue.

[racing59]

I want to race at Rockingham, in my ASCAR, on the Oval. Nothing less will do.

Right now, the cars that were once the mainstay of racing activity at the great facility are no longer welcome there.

It's political, and I can do nothing about it.

Bitter? Like a lemon with salt on it. (said that before!)

Therefore, the series has to work it's rear off, and rebuild to the point where we are asked to return.

I have a feeling about this year.....

[The Pits!]

...I think it was a good idea even if I only watched the music at the F3 event, (Sugababes,) ....

I like the way you put that........

"Watched the Sugababes" - with your ear-plugs in?

much the best way I reckon :)

[Nick Brad]

I got a confession to make, I actually enjoyed listening to them.

Having said that, it was such a gorgeous sunny day and I'd watched some great on track action so I probably would have enjoyed any music that was on, (with the obvious exception of pondlife).

[car20]

do we know yet if the powernights racing is set in stone????

is it safe to book hotel as this is the only dat ethat i can get to because of work!!!!

[Duane]

as with most things at the moment nothing is set in stone, we are moving towards an announcement this week but i can tell you Power nights is looking less likley.

its looking like a real busy couple of months ahead :D

Duane

[Dave17]

..... but i can tell you Power nights is looking less likley.


For me, a good thing (as long as there is an alternative). I'm of the opinion that motorsport should be a weekend activity.

An ASCAR race (or two) shoehorned into a packed BRSCC Mallory meeting would be perfect!

[car20]

thanks for info!

my credit card is on standby for hotel bookings :D

car is serviced and ready for great british motorways :mad:

[Nick Brad]

as with most things at the moment nothing is set in stone, we are moving towards an announcement this week but i can tell you Power nights is looking less likley.

its looking like a real busy couple of months ahead :D

Duane


That's a real shame, especially as I just posted about trying to meet up with Jeff at some point for a chin wag.

[The Pits!]

...its looking like a real busy couple of months ahead :D Duane
Please hurry up - some of us have already committed to other series - I'd hate to clash :(

[Gasman#99]

its looking like a real busy couple of months ahead :D

Duane
Its good, its real good. and its allready started for some of us down the unit!!
atleast me and kev turn up, be glad to stop using the #99 as a table.

[racing59]

Get that jig installed. Now.

[Dave17]

Please hurry up - some of us have already committed to other series - I'd hate to clash :(


My calendars about full. The only meetings i'm doing at Rockingham are the BTCC and the 7th & 8th June . I will be missing at any ASCAR dates unless they happen to be at meetings i've already made myself available for.