The Sponsor Thread [Archive] - Motorsport Forums

Simmi

8th January 2007, 15:45

Tell me if this is a stupid idea but I think there's an offseason thread in here somewhere. I was thinking that when I see a rally car I have no idea what a lot of the foreign sponsors are and what they do/make. An example being Munchi's the ice cream makers which is very strange for a WRC team, and in Finland seeing Toni Gardemeister flogging Sofa's for Koti Idea.

I suppose this thread could be a place for people to ask about these sponsors, as I'm sure there will be a lot of new ones in the new season.

I've got a few to start off:
What is Ponsse and Expert?

Also I saw Subaru being sponsored by a company called Sammy a few years ago, and the other day I saw Sammy on a gumball machine. Is that the same company or do they make other things besides?

Tomi

8th January 2007, 15:57

cal

8th January 2007, 15:59

Ponsse is a Finnish brand and they make forest and logging machines.
www.ponsse.com (http://www.ponsse.com)

Expert is a company selling electronic and hardware items. They have stores in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Estland.
www.expert.se (http://www.expert.se)

atsiotras79

8th January 2007, 16:04

Expert is a company selling electronic and hardware items. They have stores in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Estland.
www.expert.se (http://www.expert.se)

And Greece!

Vilkavainen

8th January 2007, 16:25

Do anyone know what Imatra, the sponsor of Rossi is?

DonJippo

8th January 2007, 16:29

Do anyone know what Imatra, the sponsor of Rossi is?

Here you go http://www.giarre.com/glasses/imatra-catalogue.php

jonkka

8th January 2007, 17:14

I was at Madeira for Christmas and only until I saw word "Santander" on a bank did I realize that Dani Sordo's personal sponsor was a bank!

Simmi

8th January 2007, 17:17

I was at Madeira for Christmas and only until I saw word "Santander" on a bank did I realize that Dani Sordo's personal sponsor was a bank!

If you're going to get a sponsor then thats the one to have! Am I right in thinking its the biggest in Spain?

janez l.

8th January 2007, 17:18

Where does Pons get his money? What does he do?

Josti

8th January 2007, 17:28

And Greece!

Also in the Netherlands.

jonkka

8th January 2007, 18:40

If you're going to get a sponsor then thats the one to have! Am I right in thinking its the biggest in Spain?

You would have to ask a spanish guy, I wouldn't know...

Donney

8th January 2007, 18:45

You would have to ask a spanish guy, I wouldn't know...

It is and it is in its way to become the biggest in Europe if not already. They've recently bought/associated some banks in the UK and they are ever growing.

BTW there are Expert stores in Spain too.

Vilkavainen

8th January 2007, 19:15

Where does Pons get his money? What does he do?

It´s said that his father has got so much money, and owns different business.

Xevi said in an interview that he was working in the familiar Cement Factory.

janez l.

8th January 2007, 19:37

It´s said that his father has got so much money, and owns different business.

Xevi said in an interview that he was working in the familiar Cement Factory.

I see, thanks. Never met anybody who has a cement factory and is broke. :)

LeonBrooke

8th January 2007, 22:48

Something I've wondered for a while: What do Martini do? Sponsors of Lancia for years.

MJW

8th January 2007, 23:08

If you're going to get a sponsor then thats the one to have! Am I right in thinking its the biggest in Spain?

And for us Brits - Banco Santander own Abbey National building society.

Simmi

8th January 2007, 23:15

Is the Martini one taking the mick?

CABAIO E'LONA

8th January 2007, 23:17

Something I've wondered for a while: What do Martini do? Sponsors of Lancia for years.

Martini is an alcoholic drink...

Rally Hokkaido

8th January 2007, 23:18

Also I saw Subaru being sponsored by a company called Sammy a few years ago, and the other day I saw Sammy on a gumball machine. Is that the same company or do they make other things besides?

Sammy is or was a Japanese company involved with markeing the WRC in Japan.
I can't remember if it held the commercial rights or not. Another company called
Spike has the broadcast and DVD commercial rights, now. The obvious connection with these companies and Subaru is David Richards (WRC world commercial right holder)

LeonBrooke

8th January 2007, 23:20

Is the Martini one taking the mick?

No. I'm really embarrassed now. :o

LeonBrooke

8th January 2007, 23:33

Martini is an alcoholic drink...

Ah, well, you see I didn't know it was made by a company called Martini. What nationality?

Lousada

9th January 2007, 00:20

Never heard of James Bond? Guess what he drinks, shaken not stirred.
You could have also checked google, or even Martini Racing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martini_Racing) on wikipedia.

DonJippo

9th January 2007, 00:27

Ah, well, you see I didn't know it was made by a company called Martini. What nationality?

Italy...every rally fan should know that, it's like a Kiwi asking from where does the L&P come from... ;)

LeonBrooke

9th January 2007, 00:33

Italy...every rally fan should know that, it's like a Kiwi asking from where does the L&P come from... ;)

Yeah, well, I'm a new fan of rallying, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. :p

jonkka

9th January 2007, 07:25

And if anyone ever wondered why Martini backed Lancia in the old days the answer is that both are based in the same town, Turin.

Simmi

9th January 2007, 13:26

This is good though we are all learning something from the thread at least.

LeonBrooke

9th January 2007, 21:20

Yes we are learning indeed.

I had wondered why they were a sponsor for so long...

CABAIO E'LONA

9th January 2007, 21:50

for the finnish guys: What was "kesapoytyia", main sponsor of Rovanpera's Corolla in 2000?

MJW

9th January 2007, 21:54

for the finnish guys: What was "kesapoytyia", main sponsor of Rovanpera's Corolla in 2000?
Something to do with vegetables.

Simmi

9th January 2007, 21:57

Tuuri anyone? Sponsor of Latvala. Went on the website but couldnt make it out.

LeonBrooke

9th January 2007, 22:02

I find it extremely embarrassing that my national rally is sponsored by the company by which it is currently sponsored.

Simmi

9th January 2007, 22:08

Ha ye is hairloss a big problem in new zealand?

LeonBrooke

9th January 2007, 22:18

Ha ye is hairloss a big problem in new zealand?

I was hoping no one would know what it was... :o

It seems that every fifth TV ad is for a hairloss remedy... it must be a big issue for some very vain men.

I would prefer anything but the current sponsor. Bring back Rothmans! Please!

Tomi

9th January 2007, 22:25

Tuuri anyone? Sponsor of Latvala. Went on the website but couldnt make it out.

Tuuri, is the place where he lives

FrankenSchwinn

10th January 2007, 04:15

DonJippo

10th January 2007, 06:01

Tuuri, is the place where he lives

Yes Tuuri is the name of the village from where JML comes from but the sponsor in this case is one local village shop, more about the shop over here http://tuuri.fi/englanti.html

Erki

10th January 2007, 06:47

does anyone know of google or askjeeves or yahoo or webcrawler?

out of all of the ones mentioned above, the only one i didnt find was "kesapoytyia" in any of the .com co.uk .com.au .fr .de .es .is but finally in the .fi when i typed it in it showed that it should be spelled "kesapoyta" instead and i found out that it is part of http://www.lannen.fi/ which is indeed frozen vegetables etc.... the internet works wonders!

http://www.rovanpera.com has more info.

jonkka

10th January 2007, 07:28

It seems that every fifth TV ad is for a hairloss remedy... it must be a big issue for some very vain men.

I would prefer anything but the current sponsor. Bring back Rothmans! Please!

Hair is for apes, Yul Brunner for ever!

LeonBrooke

10th January 2007, 10:07

Hair is for apes, Yul Brunner for ever!

...so says a bald person ;)

Simmi

10th January 2007, 10:49

MikeD

10th January 2007, 13:48

Both Kronos and Duval ran in 2006 with the "Kizz me" sponsor. Anybody knows what they do?

DonJippo

10th January 2007, 14:01

Both Kronos and Duval ran in 2006 with the "Kizz me" sponsor. Anybody knows what they do?

Energy drink http://www.kizz-me.com/main.html but Kizz-Me was kicked out after they did not pay their promised sponsor money so don't know if they sell that good.

Mihai

10th January 2007, 14:29

What is 'Sponsorship Wanted' and 'Rent this space' ? :)

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3742/ginleyxr3.jpg

Anyone knows why Alistair Ginley is not driving on the WRC scene anymore (besides the obvious reason that he has virtually no sponsors) ?

LeonBrooke

10th January 2007, 21:59

That's just sad. Never run your car with that on it. put a pretty pattern instead.

WelshLegend

11th January 2007, 08:03

who were the sponsors of David Higgins on rally GB 2006. I think he done it in a lancer, but i wansn't sure if it was a works car. I thought he was a works driver.

jonkka

11th January 2007, 11:52

...so says a bald person ;)

Or balding one, eh? :)

jso1985

11th January 2007, 17:09

what about:
Karjala
Munchis
Eurodata car
?

FrankenSchwinn

11th January 2007, 17:19

What is 'Sponsorship Wanted' and 'Rent this space' ?

an unamed person who was a skater used to run local competitions with a big "UNSPONSED" sticker on his helmet just to p!ss people off because he was so much better than the paid competion..... priceless!

Yeah you could just look it up for yourself but that sort of defeats the point of the thread. Its not a being lazy thing its just so people who do actually know can tell people and everyone can see the answer to your question.

no, that's just lazy.

COD

11th January 2007, 17:23

what about:
Karjala
Munchis
Eurodata car
?

Karjala = Beer

Vilkavainen

11th January 2007, 17:23

what about:
Karjala
Munchis
Eurodata car
?

Karjala is a beer from Finland.

Munchi´s is an Argentinian traditional ice cream company that seems to be Pérez Companc´s familiar bussines. More info at http://www.munchis.com.ar

Woodeye

11th January 2007, 17:24

what about:Karjala
?

Karjala is a finnish beer brand. Not too tasty I think...

Erki

11th January 2007, 17:26

Karjala is a beer....

:D ;)

FrankenSchwinn

11th January 2007, 18:51

what's karjala again?

Vilkavainen

11th January 2007, 19:18

what's karjala again?

As you can see there´re a lot of experts in drinks in this forum. :laugh:

FrankenSchwinn

11th January 2007, 20:40

what's Karhu?

Lapin Kulta?

LeonBrooke

11th January 2007, 21:35

Or balding one, eh? :)

I had not thought of that possibility. I, personally, will not be going bald for many years :D .

MJW

11th January 2007, 22:16

what's Karhu?

Lapin Kulta?
Karhu is beer and also Lain Kulta is beer from Arctic circle in Finland. My personal favourite is Karjala ( rally beer)

A.F.F.

11th January 2007, 22:48

Karhu is a bear beer :) Try say that really quickly after a dozen of them ;)

LeonBrooke

11th January 2007, 23:11

Karhu is a bear beer :) Try say that really quickly after a dozen of them ;)

Wouldn't work if you were a NZer, because in the accent "beer" and "bear" are homophones. Not in mine, though :p

White Sauron

12th January 2007, 06:28

Karjala is a great bear. Even though most of all I like Corona Extra. Karjala is translated from finnish as Karelia - a very beautiful part of Finland and North-West Russia. it's told Tolkien loved this place and took a lot from this culture... Karjjala was Marcus Gronholm's sponsor 2 years ago.

*listening to 'karjalan kunnailla" at the moment...

LeonBrooke

12th January 2007, 10:07

Who wrote a piece of music called "The Karelia Suite"?

Tomi

12th January 2007, 10:20

Who wrote a piece of music called "The Karelia Suite"?

Good old sibbe

animrallye

12th January 2007, 10:25

Expert is a company selling electronic and hardware items. They have stores in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Estland.
www.expert.se (http://www.expert.se)
Expert is worldwide : http://www.expert.org/ ;)

COD

12th January 2007, 15:16

Mmmm. Beer :facelick: :burp:

LeonBrooke

12th January 2007, 22:25

Good old sibbe

Thanks very much Tomi :)

alleskids

15th January 2007, 15:28

I hear that Pons is from a wealthy family, which gets him the budget to run the Xsara in 2006 and now the Lancer in 2007. Can anyone tell which companies they own ? Just curious wich sponsor logo's we can expect on the car. Unless Pons will drive a logo free car, just like Anthony Warmbold did with his Ford Focus.

White Sauron

15th January 2007, 16:29

I've always wondered, if drivers allowed to write/paint whatever they want on the car if they don't have sponsors? Or, for example, promote smth they like?

Erki

15th January 2007, 16:48

I wonder if it's legal to promote something on your road car. Like cigarette ads on rally replica cars.

Lousada

15th January 2007, 16:52

I've always wondered, if drivers allowed to write/paint whatever they want on the car if they don't have sponsors? Or, for example, promote smth they like?

No, there is copywright on logos. You can't just reproduce them without consent of the company owner. Of course, the driver first could ask the company to put the logo up for nothing.

White Sauron

15th January 2007, 17:01

No, there is copywright on logos. You can't just reproduce them without consent of the company owner. Of course, the driver first could ask the company to put the logo up for nothing.

Ok... I see... But, for example, I can put my own name on my car and write smth like "i'm the best", and it won't be banned?

alleskids

15th January 2007, 18:28

Only if it would appear as a lie :rotflmao:

Finni

15th January 2007, 19:29

White Sauron

15th January 2007, 19:50

You are rapidly becoming most finnish people of this forum! ;)

Paljon kiitoksia sesta maaritelmasta ;)

Actually, just live in the same nature, so knowing and understanding the neighbouring culture is essential.))

LeonBrooke

15th January 2007, 21:05

I wonder if it's legal to promote something on your road car. Like cigarette ads on rally replica cars.

I don't know if it's legal but you see cars with 555 and Marlboro logos in NZ. It would be especially illegal, given that tobacco advertising has been illegal in NZ since the early 90s...

Maui J.

16th January 2007, 07:14

I don't know if it's legal but you see cars with 555 and Marlboro logos in NZ. It would be especially illegal, given that tobacco advertising has been illegal in NZ since the early 90s...

Tabacco advertising is illegal in NZ but I guess it's a very grey area if you are referring to some of the hotted-up road going Imprezas and Celicas etc you see around in rally guise. That's not the tabacco companies doing it but just some individual.

Also regarding that Anti Hair Loss product. NZ is one of only a few countries (the US being another) where the advertisment of 'Persciption' Pharmacuticals is allowed. Hence the ads on TV we have for Xenical, Viagra, Cialis etc. Merck Sharp and Dohme the makers of Propecia obviously see a bigger international audience than just NZ when it comes to the Rally NZ sponsorship deal.

NZ doctors hate the fact that these pharmacutical companies are bombarding the general public with these ads. People are walking into their local surgery and clinics demanding prescriptions for a drug they have seen on TV even before the doctor has a chance to take a pulse rate or blood pressure.

Pharmac, the NZ goverment body that controls phamacutical medication, has been reviewing this advertising and it's effect on the public and has more than once threatened to stop it.

Just like in the early 90s when the Rothmans Rally of NZ became the Smokefree Rally of NZ because of a law change. We may see a similar thing with Propecia if the government passes a law regarding Perscription Pharmacutical Advertising.
'Smokefree' was/is a government scheme, and bag of money, to educate the public to smoke smoking, and also take the place of any sporting or cultural event that had existing tabacco sponsorship for the first 3 years of the new law.

LeonBrooke

16th January 2007, 07:25

Tabacco advertising is illegal in NZ but I guess it's a very grey area if you are referring to some of the hotted-up road going Imprezas and Celicas etc you see around in rally guise. That's not the tabacco companies doing it but just some individual.

Also regarding that Anti Hair Loss product. NZ is one of only a few countries (the US being another) where the advertisment of 'Persciption' Pharmacuticals is allowed. Hence the ads on TV we have for Xenical, Viagra, Cialis etc. Merck Sharp and Dohme the makers of Propecia obviously see a bigger international audience than just NZ when it comes to the Rally NZ sponsorship deal.

NZ doctors hate the fact that these pharmacutical companies are bombarding the general public with these ads. People are walking into their local surgery and clinics demanding prescriptions for a drug they have seen on TV even before the doctor has a chance to take a pulse rate or blood pressure.

Pharmac, the NZ goverment body that controls phamacutical medication, has been reviewing this advertising and it's effect on the public and has more than once threatened to stop it.

Just like in the early 90s when the Rothmans Rally of NZ became the Smokefree Rally of NZ because of a law change. We may see a similar thing with Propecia if the government passes a law regarding Perscription Pharmacutical Advertising.
'Smokefree' was/is a government scheme, and bag of money, to educate the public to smoke smoking, and also take the place of any sporting or cultural event that had existing tabacco sponsorship for the first 3 years of the new law.

I'm well aware of all this. I think it's very embarrassing that our country allows advertising of medication, and I think it would be very great when it's made illegal, same as alcohol. I'm certain that there will be some other benign mega-corporation that would step into the breach to take up the sponsorship.

I was thinking of one particular Mitsubishi 3000GT with huge Marlboro logos as well as the souped-up Subarus with 555 logos. Of course it's got nothing to do with the companies, but still... if you went around with huge profanities painted on the side of your car, something would be done.

Maui J.

16th January 2007, 19:32

Agreed. I would like to see an end to pharmacutical (both perscription and over-the-counter) advertising as well. I place the morals and ethics of these companies even lower than tabacco companies.

LeonBrooke

16th January 2007, 20:27

Agreed. I would like to see an end to pharmacutical (both perscription and over-the-counter) advertising as well. I place the morals and ethics of these companies even lower than tabacco companies.

Finally someone who agrees with me on this. The idea that tobacco companies are the worst evil is too prevalent and it's dangerous.

If Pharmac banned advertising of pharmaceuticals tomorrow, some other company would line up to sponsor the rally the next day.

Erki

16th January 2007, 20:36

I agree too, just didn't see much point typing two words "I agree"...

LeonBrooke

16th January 2007, 20:42

I'm having some disturbing thoughts about who could potentially sponsor the rally... :o

There is a long list of companies I wouldn't want to be sponsored by, mainly alcohol, pharmaceuticals.

Has Vodafone ever sponsored anything in the WRC?

Simmi

16th January 2007, 20:56

Rally Portugal this year. And what's your massive objection to alcohol?

LeonBrooke

16th January 2007, 21:04

I don't have a massive objection to alcohol. I do drink sometimes, to the shock of my friends. But the point is, I think it's more harmful than tobacco, so if people are getting all self-righteous about tobacco advertising, it's hypocritical not to do the same for alcohol.

So who is sponsoring Rally Portugal? Vodafone? Or have I massively misunderstood?

Simmi

16th January 2007, 21:06

Yep Vodafone are sponsoring rally portugal this year. Good to see companies like that in rallying.

White Sauron

16th January 2007, 21:10

Simmi

16th January 2007, 21:13

But does a hairloss company or something like Viagra promote a positive image for the WRC?

White Sauron

16th January 2007, 21:16

And I'm against banning tobacco advetising. It's idiotism. If a person wants to smoke, they will buy it, no matter whether he saw ad or not! And if parents are clever, they can explain to a child too, that smoking is bad, so that a child would know the trruth whatever is said in AD. let advertise everething. A smart person will make the right decision anyway, while an idiot will make a mistake even without advertising!

White Sauron

16th January 2007, 21:21

But does a hairloss company or something like Viagra promote a positive image for the WRC?

Hairloss company help people, Viagra help people too. What's the problem. If a person needs it, he will buy it. I dont understand you, what's the problem? Those are just words on car livery, and their logos can make the car look great. I thought no one was aginst martini on Fords or Lancia. So why not Viagra? By the way, as for the image, this medicine gives power to a man, so as for slogan on a rally car, you can easily say "we boost the team!". Why not?
As for your judgement, I would ban Red Bull and other energetic drinks' ad too. People must be active without any drinks, so if they drink it, then they're weak!! And it's bad for WRC image, cause there shouldn't be any weak people in this sport.

LeonBrooke

16th January 2007, 21:28

Honestly, I don't understand why you don't like if alchohol or pharmaceutical companies act as sponsors for rally teams! They just advertise their goods, they bring money to the sport! But nobody makes you buy their products! It's all down to your decision! A clever person will never use drugs, no matter how much AD he watch. But an idiot will try it, even if there's no AD around him at all! C'mon, people, it's silly! I would welcome any company, which would like to sponsor WRC, whatever it produces. They just show themselves, but it's only your choice if you are loyal to those companies. I repeat, no one will make you use what you're not interested in, so why not let them advertise it??

The problem is when someone sees an ad for some medication and then goes to their doctor to demand it, because they don't understand anything about it. Their doctor won't give it to them because it's harmful in some way, but they just demand it because the ad promised a miracle. That's the other problem - peole see ads for weightloss remedy and think they can continue their sedentary and unhealthy lifestlye because they think the drug is a miracle cure.

Would you be happy to drive for Viagra White Sauron Racing? With a big Viagra logo on your chest?

But does a hairloss company or something like Viagra promote a positive image for the WRC?

Definitely not. They imply greedy multinationals and middle-aged, pathetic men. It would just be embarrassing to be a fan when it had sponsors like that.

Yep Vodafone are sponsoring rally portugal this year. Good to see companies like that in rallying.

Very good indeed :)

And I'm against banning tobacco advetising. It's idiotism. If a person wants to smoke, they will buy it, no matter whether he saw ad or not! And if parents are clever, they can explain to a child too, that smoking is bad, so that a child would know the trruth whatever is said in AD. let advertise everething. A smart person will make the right decision anyway, while an idiot will make a mistake even without advertising!

I agree here.

And I'm not against alcohol advertising, I just think it's hypocrisy when tobacco advertising is banned. I, personally, would not want to be sponsored by alcohol, but if someone else was I wouldn't object.

LeonBrooke

16th January 2007, 21:32

Hairloss company help people, Viagra help people too. What's the problem. If a person needs it, he will buy it. I dont understand you, what's the problem? Those are just words on car livery, and their logos can make the car look great. I thought no one was aginst martini on Fords or Lancia. So why not Viagra? By the way, as for the image, this medicine gives power to a man, so as for slogan on a rally car, you can easily say "we boost the team!". Why not?
As for your judgement, I would ban Red Bull and other energetic drinks' ad too. People must be active without any drinks, so if they drink it, then they're weak!! And it's bad for WRC image, cause there shouldn't be any weak people in this sport.

Viagra: We help old men who can't get erections naturally to get them artificially. No, I wouldn't want that image on my team.

Energy drinks are entirely different.

cal

16th January 2007, 21:41

I don't think we can afford to think morally about sponsorship. We need every penny we can get, as I think most of us here knows.

If we are to think morally about it, why not ban Vodafone as because of them teenagers might end up having huge mobile phone bills to pay. Would that do good for the WRC's image? I think not. But you can't think that way, if you did you might aswell ban everything.

LeonBrooke

16th January 2007, 21:46

Reducing the argument to it's most absurd - a debating technique that doesn't work. I think there are a couple of people who are blowing this out of proportion. Like the song I'm listening to says, "take a chill pill" (it's from the 80s). I happen to think that if you're going to ban tobacco advertising, then ban alcohol advertising as well. I don't think that doing either of these things would be a good idea as it wouldn't achieve anything. And, there are good reasons to ban pharmaceutical advertising, as I've enumerated above.

White Sauron

16th January 2007, 21:53

Would you be happy to drive for Viagra White Sauron Racing? With a big Viagra logo on your chest?

.

if it would give me money to compete on a world level, I would be happy. Why not? It's a big company, and it found the way how to help people. Don't see anything bad in it.

LeonBrooke

16th January 2007, 22:02

if it would give me money to compete on a world level, I would be happy. Why not? It's a big company, and it found the way how to help people. Don't see anything bad in it.

Well that's your choice. But, I would be very reluctant. some big pharmaceutical companies are corrupt and unethical and immoral, and I don't think they should be allowed to advertise for reasons I've stated. But if they are allowed, then, if you are okay with it, then be sponsored by them by all means.

I wouldn't object to taking their money, just to wearing their logo ;) if there was some subliminal, Marlboro-bar-code-style logo, I wouldn't mind (so long as it was legal and I don't think it should be), but I would object to having a huge "Viagra" logo on my uniform.

Simmi

16th January 2007, 22:02

if it would give me money to compete on a world level, I would be happy. Why not? It's a big company, and it found the way how to help people. Don't see anything bad in it.

Coming from the man who would happily drive with Gandalf on the side of his car lol. I see what you're saying WS dont worry and Cal is right you have to also agree with the every penny counts concept. What I wish is that the WRC could be attracting the huge companies because it should be. Thats what Morrie Chandler and the FIA want. People will pay millions just to get the tiniest sticker on an F1 car and I hope in the future you'll be able to say the same about rallying.

LeonBrooke

16th January 2007, 22:07

Yeah - that's it. You shouldn't have to have a Viagra logo - you should (ideally) be able to attract some other sponsor to whom no one would object, and who would be able to pay for everything.

White Sauron

16th January 2007, 22:13

Yeah - that's it. You shouldn't have to have a Viagra logo - you should (ideally) be able to attract some other sponsor to whom no one would object, and who would be able to pay for everything.

Ok, I see your point, guys, but.

I'd LIKE to have Viagra logo on my suit. it's just cool. it will attract also more attention to my figure.

Plus, yeah, I'd like Gandlaf to be not on the side of my car, but inside, as a co-driver. I would win with his magic power)))

LeonBrooke

16th January 2007, 22:19

Ok, I see your point, guys, but.

I'd LIKE to have Viagra logo on my suit. it's just cool. it will attract also more attention to my figure.

Plus, yeah, I'd like Gandlaf to be not on the side of my car, but inside, as a co-driver. I would win with his magic power)))

lol I see your point here too :p but seriously, "Viagra are my personal sponsor"?? (Or are you a woman??)

Just like how in this day and age I would like to be sponsored by tobacco. It would be edgy, it would be fringe, it would provoke a lot of talk.

White Sauron

16th January 2007, 22:37

Just like how in this day and age I would like to be sponsored by tobacco. It would be edgy, it would be fringe, it would provoke a lot of talk.

Exactly. It's just a PR. If Loeb advertises PS2, it doesn't meen he plays it every day.
If I advertise (not me, but my suit or car) Viagra, it doesn't meen I'm a wrong man. They give me money and get AD. I get they money and compete in a rally. In biology it's called symbiosis.
You think why people like Soth Park, for example, or Simpsons? Because those cartoons have brilliant graphics or humour? No. because they're not afraid of laughing at themselves, at people.
Wearing a Viagra-sponsored suit would be just fun for me, cool. Advertising alchohol on my car is not a problem for me. it's good for holidays and I like to drink some cognac or martini on big holidays like birthdays or smth like this. But I'm a smart person and understand it's dangerous to drink it before driving. And I will never do it, though I can be their sponsor.
Advertising tobacco? No problem for me. Have you seen the lates comedy "thank you for smokin!"? if you haven't - go and watch. It raises the same plot. There you're just doing your work. But in your mind you can be against it and never use. If you're a clever person, you'll make a right choice, believe me. AD influences only on people who don't have their own mind.

LeonBrooke

16th January 2007, 22:46

Exactly. It's just a PR. If Loeb advertises PS2, it doesn't meen he plays it every day.
If I advertise (not me, but my suit or car) Viagra, it doesn't meen I'm a wrong man. They give me money and get AD. I get they money and compete in a rally. In biology it's called symbiosis.
You think why people like Soth Park, for example, or Simpsons? Because those cartoons have brilliant graphics or humour? No. because they're not afraid of laughing at themselves, at people.
Wearing a Viagra-sponsored suit would be just fun for me, cool. Advertising alchohol on my car is not a problem for me. it's good for holidays and I like to drink some cognac or martini on big holidays like birthdays or smth like this. But I'm a smart person and understand it's dangerous to drink it before driving. And I will never do it, though I can be their sponsor.
Advertising tobacco? No problem for me. Have you seen the lates comedy "thank you for smokin!"? if you haven't - go and watch. It raises the same plot. There you're just doing your work. But in your mind you can be against it and never use. If you're a clever person, you'll make a right choice, believe me. AD influences only on people who don't have their own mind.

I still think Viagra is the wrong image for the WRC. It implies that the bulk of fans are old impotent men. If Viagra became title sponsor of the the whole WRC, I wouldn't stop being interested, but I wouldn't become a fan if I wasn't already because the association is embarrassing.

LeonBrooke

16th January 2007, 22:47

I didn't mean I'd seek out tobacco money, but if it was offered I'd not say no.

My post 500! Yeah! And this thread's 100th.

White Sauron

16th January 2007, 22:58

I didn't mean I'd seek out tobacco money, but if it was offered I'd not say no.

My post 500! Yeah! And this thread's 100th.

Congratulations! ;)

But as for me, the first accotiation is "more power". It's not that bad. Plus, Viagra brand belongs to Pfizer, which is a very big company! And they can do the same as BP did with Ford: the main livery is in Pfizer style, plus some Viagra ones. if you ask me, as a mad Ford fan, if I would like to see Ford in such a livery and Marcus Gronholm as my fav driver wearing such a suit, I would say: YES! It's cool!

Damn, in Russia we have a wonderful girlsband, which is called VIAGRA (Vocal-Instrumental Band "GRA" (GRA is game in ukrainian). (Nu Virgos for the foreign market)There're three very sexy girls with such shapes, but no one is feeling embarassed if they're listening to their songs. It's just cool!

http://www.nuvirgos.com/static.php?page=1

Look!!! My first thought when I'm listening to their music isn't that I need their help to be a "powerful" errected man. No. I listen to them because they re great. The same goes for WRC if Viagra sponsor some teams. People will support the crews with viagra logos on it not because they need it. But because of the crews under these logos! What about that!

White Sauron

16th January 2007, 23:02

http://www.nuvirgos.com/static.php?page=11

For all REAL men there:
download and watch this video. (for free) I bet, after this you won't be against VIAGRA)))

LeonBrooke

16th January 2007, 23:10

I'm anticipating that "won't be in need of Viagra®" will be accurate too...

White Sauron

16th January 2007, 23:15

I'm anticipating that "won't be in need of Viagra®" will be accurate too...

heh)) I shared with you the best we have. Surely, looking at these girl you won't need viagra...

Vilkavainen

17th January 2007, 17:06

I´ve just seen some pictures of Henning Solberg´s Focus WRC, and I would really like to know what one of his sponsors EnPro and Exide are.

Simmi

17th January 2007, 17:12

Exide make batteries of all shapes and sizes.

"We make 21st century life possible. Every day, we start hundreds of millions of cars and trucks and supply backup power for computer centers and many of the world’s telephones and cell phone systems" http://www.exide.com/

Erki

17th January 2007, 17:42

http://www.raceworldnc.com/categories/roush-racing/mark-martin/images/mark-martin.gif
:p ::p ::p :

I agree with LeonBrooke, actually I think pharmaceutical ads should be banned altogether. All they do is just offer people some quick fixes to get their health ok. And I'm afraid most of them treat symptoms, not its causes, so the disease stays, just hidden. And then we wonder why so many people die in cancer and have cardiovascular problem. :s But don't be concerned, take an Ibuprofen or whatever - I don't know any drug names so excuse me if I'm wrong...

Not to steer the thread to offtopic(although quite interesting one)...

what is Pyramid Technologies? Duval's new sponsor, that is.

[WRCRR]

17th January 2007, 18:27

So much bull**** in this thread...only person who seems to have some clue is WS...

LeonBrooke

17th January 2007, 22:02

heh)) I shared with you the best we have. Surely, looking at these girl you won't need viagra...

Well, um... I wonder what the asteroids are about?

http://www.raceworldnc.com/categories/roush-racing/mark-martin/images/mark-martin.gif
:p ::p ::p :

I agree with LeonBrooke, actually I think pharmaceutical ads should be banned altogether. All they do is just offer people some quick fixes to get their health ok. And I'm afraid most of them treat symptoms, not its causes, so the disease stays, just hidden. And then we wonder why so many people die in cancer and have cardiovascular problem. :s But don't be concerned, take an Ibuprofen or whatever - I don't know any drug names so excuse me if I'm wrong...

Not to steer the thread to offtopic(although quite interesting one)...

what is Pyramid Technologies? Duval's new sponsor, that is.

See how ridiculous he looks with the Viagra logo?? Not only is there the ethical reasons, but it absolutely gives the sport the wrong image.

White Sauron

17th January 2007, 22:14

See how ridiculous he looks with the Viagra logo?? Not only is there the ethical reasons, but it absolutely gives the sport the wrong image.

I think, it looks great and cool!

LeonBrooke

17th January 2007, 22:36

I think, it looks great and cool!

Well, I admit that it suits him, and it would look worse on anyone else. But still... what about condoms? Would you proudly wear the logo of a condom manufacturer?

Erki

17th January 2007, 22:48

I think Philippe Bugalski ws sponsored by Durex. Once he said something like "I feel myself very safe in car" :p :

Condoms get the green light from me, people should be educated and encouraged to use them, it's just about their own health and welfare. :)

Simmi

17th January 2007, 22:49

Look there's nothing wrong with Condoms or Viagra. You just wouldnt see them on the side of an F1 car. It doesn't matter about ethics and what not because at the end of the day it is money thats important, but it would be better if there were big sponsors lining up to get themselves on a car, but they arent.

You're not going to say there's anything wrong with condoms now are you LeonBrooke?

LeonBrooke

17th January 2007, 23:01

castor

17th January 2007, 23:25

Well here in Greece we had someone with a sponshorship from a strip club called "Dolls"! The interesting part actually happened at the service park ,when the "Dolls" came by for some "promotion" and some participants took a time penalty leaving the service park! :)

LeonBrooke

17th January 2007, 23:46

Erki

17th January 2007, 23:50

No, I don't disapprove of condoms, I agree with Erki in what he said, but I wouldn't want to be sponsored by them. Well, not any well-known brands. I wouldn't want to be sponsored by anything related to sex, it would just be weird.

I guess it would be quite hard to find a tasteful sponsor related to sex, and I don't mean flavoured condoms here. ;) I would be happily sponsored by something related to sex so go on, pass it on...!

LeonBrooke

17th January 2007, 23:55

I guess it would be quite hard to find a tasteful sponsor related to sex, and I don't mean flavoured condoms here. ;) I would be happily sponsored by something related to sex so go on, pass it on...!

If I get the offer I'll give them your number ;)

Erki

18th January 2007, 00:02

I recall that I read something about Valentino Rossi being anti-tobacco and he wouldn't ride a tobacco sponsored bike, yet he rode Gauloises and Camel liveried bikes...

Anyway, the question is, what would you do if you were to be sponsored by something completely distasteful to you and incongruent with your values? Leave the seat empty? Drive/ride being uncomfortable with it? Being "ah, what the heck, let's do it" and kind of adapting/giving up your values? I don't know what I would do, I haven't been in such situation, would probably depend on what options I have open.

PS: I still don't know what Pyramide Technologies does. :p :

LeonBrooke

18th January 2007, 00:25

I'd probably do it, but the thing is, I don't find any of the things we're discussing here completely distasteful or abhorrent, I just think that it would be embarrassing and would give the sport the wrong image.

cal

18th January 2007, 01:11

What is Vihannespörssi, the sponsor of Jussi Välimäki? Something to do with vegetables, I can see that. Is it related to Rovanperäs old sponsor?

GigiGalliNo1

18th January 2007, 06:33

Bugalski back in the Xsara driving days, was sponsored by condoms!

And use to have them in the service park, and handed them out I believe! haha

Woodeye

18th January 2007, 06:39

What is Vihannespörssi, the sponsor of Jussi Välimäki? Something to do with vegetables, I can see that. Is it related to Rovanperäs old sponsor?

Vihannespörssi is a supplier of fresh vegetables. It is a big stock were restaurants and other professionals can order vegetables from.

http://www.vihannesporssi.com/yritys.htm

White Sauron

18th January 2007, 06:56

Maui J.

18th January 2007, 09:12

Erki

18th January 2007, 09:19

2. Ask any doctor at a hospital and they will tell you that 40% of the patients in the medical wards are there because of a side effect of another medication that person has been taking.

And given the number of different medications, it's nearly impossible to avoid it. A little article on the subject:
http://www.mind-energy.net/archives/144-The-Menacing-Mathematics-of-Multiple-Meds.html

Erki

18th January 2007, 23:14

I thought about that condoms V viagra battle and the conclusion is:

Viagra - draws a negative picture about drivers being weak
condoms - draws a positive picture: drivers are strong like race horses and potent like rabbits

Case closed :s mokin:

LeonBrooke

18th January 2007, 23:20

Erki

18th January 2007, 23:30

There are condoms for women as well, I thought you knew it already... :o

LeonBrooke

18th January 2007, 23:35

Well of course there are, but because of the different physiological configuration it doesn't have quite the same implications... :s

What about Viagra, what's the image associated with that for a woman?

Erki

18th January 2007, 23:40

What about Viagra, what's the image associated with that for a woman?

Insatiable. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/r8dno1/aok/hand/00.gif

LeonBrooke

18th January 2007, 23:45

Insatiable. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/r8dno1/aok/hand/00.gif

lol

Quite true... :s mokin:

Erki

18th January 2007, 23:49

And anyway, who needs Viagra when you can have maca (http://karenknowler.typepad.com/living_in_the_raw/2006/06/maca.html). :cool:

1MxPS: What is Pyramide Technologies...anyone? :dozey:

A.F.F.

18th January 2007, 23:55

I dunno but that was about to look like a foreplay between you two.

LeonBrooke

18th January 2007, 23:57

And anyway, who needs Viagra when you can have maca (http://karenknowler.typepad.com/living_in_the_raw/2006/06/maca.html). :cool:

1MxPS: What is Pyramide Technologies...anyone? :dozey:

I really hope that no woman reads this conversation...

Pyramid Technologies is a manufacturer of time clocks, totaling clocks, payroll system clocks, and all accessories for time and attendance products for any ...

http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US :o fficial&hs=mdg&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Pyramid+Technologies&spell=1

LeonBrooke

19th January 2007, 00:00

I dunno but that was about to look like a foreplay between you two.

:o :eek:

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like women............

Erki

19th January 2007, 00:24

:o :eek:

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like women............

What, so you're saying you're not a woman? :confused:

Erki

19th January 2007, 00:25

I dunno but that was about to look like a foreplay between you two.

I hate jealousy too, I really do.

LeonBrooke

19th January 2007, 00:30

What, so you're saying you're not a woman? :confused:

I hope you're joking.

FrankenSchwinn

19th January 2007, 03:09

IMO here's why Pharamacuticals advertising should banned.

1. They are a corporate. Their main objective is to make money for the shareholders. The welfare and health of it's customers it not it's main objective.

2. Ask any doctor at a hospital and they will tell you that 40% of the patients in the medical wards are there because of a side effect of another medication that person has been taking.

3. The inhumane cruelty these companies do to thousands of lab animals everyday.

Wait to see Michael Moore's new film on the Pharmacutical Industry and you will see what I'm talking about. These companies have unbelievablely low morals.

fnck #3, that's budda talk!

replace 1 with this (which was part of my philosophy studies):
1. the drug companies are, for the most part, not interested in curing the illness but curbing it, or its symptoms. there are many diseases that, if cured, would bring no moneys to the companies who spent millions developing a cure. and if they do develop a cure for something they would have to sell it for such an incredible amount to get a return on their investment that they would piss off their friends at the insurance companies and the public as well, therefore dropping the price of their stock. but announcing that they have found a drug that diminishes some effects of whatever illness and that they can sell that drug to someone who has to take a pill or 2 a day for the rest of their lives will bring them a constant cash flow (lowers the costs of R&D) and a company image boost (stock goes up). and then, they can refine the drug more and more until their patents go out and other companies can finally profit for making an actual cure (based on the other companie's costly research) and boost that second company..... vicious circle. hence: don't get sick and grow your own vegetables.

so, here comes the final blow as to why i -strongly- believe that prescription drug advertising should be banned in motorsports and everywhere:

3. using the same logic that is applied to tobacco advertising, we can ban drug advertising for the simple reason that the human mind is weak. tobacco was banned, not because it is bad because everyone already knows that, but because associating tobacco products to motorsports will result in weakening one's will and falling for the temptation. that is because our minds are such that advertizing gets to us and gets to us deeply. some of you do not believe me and that's fine, but almost everything you do is dictated upon the will of the advertising companies. why you drink a particular beer, why you buy a certain shampoo, why you eat a certain sausage, why you shop at a certain shop is all dictated as to an add you saw or that someone saw and told you about. you might say that it's because that shop is the cheapest, or that shampoo makes my hair shine or that it is because it's the best tasting beer, but the reason you tried it the first time is because you saw an ad for it or heard about it from someone who did see an ad for it. that is precisely why prescription drugs should not advertise. people do see ads on tv or on the side of cars and then go see their doctors and tell them that they cant get hard sometimes and that they should get some blue diamonds. the doctors examine them, tell them there is nothing wrong but the patients still insist and ask for a second opinion. or, for viagra's case, it has made the drug an underground phenomenon where people steal it and sell it on the streets like crack (yes, i've seen it in europe too). where i now live, the usa, there is presicription drug advertising and they say in their comercials "ask your doctor". patients are not the ones supposed to ask their doctors, the doctors are the ones supposed to tell the patients what they need. where i come from in europe advertising to the general public for prescription medication is illegal and guess what, medication are a lot cheaper. with a puzzled look on your face you are squinting as you are reading and asking yourself: what's that got to do with anything? well, drugs are a lot more expensive in the usa because there is a large chunk of budgets set for advertising. you watch american tv and you see all these comercials interupting shows every 10 minutes, and you have to ask yourself, how much money is spent to advertise a product? and how does that affect the price? some products need the advertising capital to be able to sell in mass quatities in order to make a profit. but prescription drugs cannot be sold to the general public and have to go through that annoying filter that is a doctors' prescription note. so you have to pound the potential consumers with advertising to manage to send a relative few to see their doctors where in turn that number will diminish to an even smaller fraction for the ones who do need the product (or can convince their doctors that they do).
so you see, prescription medication advertising is a way for advertisers to control a part of your purchasing habbits that they have only a small influence upon.

who cares about mike moore and lab rats?!

FrankenSchwinn

19th January 2007, 03:18

The inhumane cruelty these companies do to thousands of lab animals everyday.

and my favorite thing to reply to comments like this: animals are not human, that's why we can do inhumane cruel stuff to them.

fnck #3, that's budda talk!

replace 1 with this (which was part of my philosophy studies):
1. the drug companies are, for the most part, not interested in curing the illness but curbing it, or its symptoms. there are many diseases that, if cured, would bring no moneys to the companies who spent millions developing a cure. and if they do develop a cure for something they would have to sell it for such an incredible amount to get a return on their investment that they would piss off their friends at the insurance companies and the public as well, therefore dropping the price of their stock. but announcing that they have found a drug that diminishes some effects of whatever illness and that they can sell that drug to someone who has to take a pill or 2 a day for the rest of their lives will bring them a constant cash flow (lowers the costs of R&D) and a company image boost (stock goes up). and then, they can refine the drug more and more until their patents go out and other companies can finally profit for making an actual cure (based on the other companie's costly research) and boost that second company..... vicious circle. hence: don't get sick and grow your own vegetables.

so, here comes the final blow as to why i -strongly- believe that prescription drug advertising should be banned in motorsports and everywhere:

3. using the same logic that is applied to tobacco advertising, we can ban drug advertising for the simple reason that the human mind is weak. tobacco was banned, not because it is bad because everyone already knows that, but because associating tobacco products to motorsports will result in weakening one's will and falling for the temptation. that is because our minds are such that advertizing gets to us and gets to us deeply. some of you do not believe me and that's fine, but almost everything you do is dictated upon the will of the advertising companies. why you drink a particular beer, why you buy a certain shampoo, why you eat a certain sausage, why you shop at a certain shop is all dictated as to an add you saw or that someone saw and told you about. you might say that it's because that shop is the cheapest, or that shampoo makes my hair shine or that it is because it's the best tasting beer, but the reason you tried it the first time is because you saw an ad for it or heard about it from someone who did see an ad for it. that is precisely why prescription drugs should not advertise. people do see ads on tv or on the side of cars and then go see their doctors and tell them that they cant get hard sometimes and that they should get some blue diamonds. the doctors examine them, tell them there is nothing wrong but the patients still insist and ask for a second opinion. or, for viagra's case, it has made the drug an underground phenomenon where people steal it and sell it on the streets like crack (yes, i've seen it in europe too). where i now live, the usa, there is presicription drug advertising and they say in their comercials "ask your doctor". patients are not the ones supposed to ask their doctors, the doctors are the ones supposed to tell the patients what they need. where i come from in europe advertising to the general public for prescription medication is illegal and guess what, medication are a lot cheaper. with a puzzled look on your face you are squinting as you are reading and asking yourself: what's that got to do with anything? well, drugs are a lot more expensive in the usa because there is a large chunk of budgets set for advertising. you watch american tv and you see all these comercials interupting shows every 10 minutes, and you have to ask yourself, how much money is spent to advertise a product? and how does that affect the price? some products need the advertising capital to be able to sell in mass quatities in order to make a profit. but prescription drugs cannot be sold to the general public and have to go through that annoying filter that is a doctors' prescription note. so you have to pound the potential consumers with advertising to manage to send a relative few to see their doctors where in turn that number will diminish to an even smaller fraction for the ones who do need the product (or can convince their doctors that they do).
so you see, prescription medication advertising is a way for advertisers to control a part of your purchasing habbits that they have only a small influence upon.

who cares about mike moore and lab rats?!

Maui, i just noticed something...... i hope you don't think i am attacking you personally. i believe in the same things you seem to believe in, it's just the road we take to get there are is different. so, in some cases it's the destination, not the journey that counts!

Erki

19th January 2007, 05:43

I hope you're joking.

Was it that bad save then? :confused:

LeonBrooke

19th January 2007, 22:52

Was it that bad save then? :confused:

Go on, just admit what you were really thinking... :p :

Simmi

20th January 2007, 16:36

Pretty interesting in the UK has anyone seen the rally themed RedBull advert?
Strange one no specific reference to their involvement in rallying just a cartoon car that goes over a jump and gets "Wings".

LeonBrooke

20th January 2007, 21:55

I've seen that one in NZ. I suppose it's in the Red Bull culture to not make specific references to cars or teams. The brand is strong enough not to need it.

PuddleJumper

9th March 2007, 23:45

Vilkavainen

14th March 2007, 13:30

Just as the Stobart Focus WRCs have ladies names in the tradition of the Stobart trucks, I noticed today that the Munchi's Focus WRCs have names on them too which I think are ice cream flavours.

In Mexico, LPC's car is "Super Dulce de Leche" and JPR's car is "Crema Jersey". Can anyone translate?

The translations will be something like "Extra sweet of milk" and "Jersey Cream".

Do anyone know what Cramo the new sponsor of Mikko Hirvonen is?

[WRCRR]

14th March 2007, 13:54

Do anyone know what Cramo the new sponsor of Mikko Hirvonen is?

http://www.rk.fi/index-eng.html They rent construction equipment.

Glee

14th March 2007, 21:06

Expert (Henning Solbergs main sponsor) is going to open a brand new shop in my neighbor town (Kristiansund).
Henning Solberg and Cato Menkerud is to bee present.
Among the activities is an Playstation WRC4 competition. The first price is a DVD Recorder. But if you beat Henning, you wil get a 40" LCD-TV...

Tomi

14th March 2007, 21:17

SubaruNorway

14th March 2007, 21:37

con grats for your new tv :)
Agree Expert needs to give away alot of tv's ive played against him and he is not that good altough he drives okay to be 34

Glee

14th March 2007, 21:46

con grats for your new tv :)

I don't have time to bee present, and i think my level in Playstation is below average...

Tomi

14th March 2007, 21:50

I don't have time to bee present, and i think my level in Playstation is below average...

send your little sister if you have one :)

jonkka

15th March 2007, 10:37

fnck #3, that's budda talk!

so you see, prescription medication advertising is a way for advertisers to control a part of your purchasing habbits that they have only a small influence upon.

Anyone foolish enough to be influenced by advertising rightly deserves whatever befalls upon.

Maui J.

15th March 2007, 22:00

Anyone foolish enough to be influenced by advertising rightly deserves whatever befalls upon.

In that case we are all fools. Manufacturer involvment in the WRC is advertising. What would you prefer... Subaru, Ford, Citroen and co battling it out on the stages, or a painted board on the edge of a football field? Advertising is everywhere and it's extremely hard to escape.