NASCAR on NASN-Sky-FOX etc.

[pwb]

I agree the sound and picture (being widescreen) were real a real plus, however missing the pre race from the track (engines being started, anthem, build up), no in camera during US breaks, short post race means that I missed my NASN coverage.

Oh well, we will have to live with it. However, I am sure Sky will change a few things and we will get something I will be happy with.

For Daytona, however, Sky better have a good pre race from the track including "start your engines"!

[colinspooky]

few points there

Yep, tits in studio with not a clue who the 'other' drivers are outside Jr and Jeff

But, unless I am completely wrong, the main one is the moan about the pre-race show. In the US, fans don't see it either unless they switch over their TV to Speed. This is a Fox show, and they show just the race. I use TVU on the net to watch the pre-race and they switch over to Sky Sport3 for the race - very similar to the US fans only I use a PC for the Speed shows.

The ad breaks are too many, but then Sky has to pay for their coverage somehow so I don't blame them, and Americans have loads of breaks in their show. I liked the way NASN stayed inside a car, or even just one high up camera sometimes. But Sky will think that is amateur and lazy even tho the majority of fans will love that - keeps us in touch with the race to some extent. Shame - once Sky realises that, they may do it, but some exec will be worried grazers who drop in during these segments will think wtf is this, seeing cars going round with no commentary and no camera change. Personally I think some of the grazers may even say wow, let's watch some more of this and see what happens. But we all know the Sky studio will stay to 'explain' the sport to us morons.
:rolleyes:

[Dave17]

Just wondering how many subscribers NASN have lost due to Skys coverage and the lack of it on NASN.....I for one have cancelled NASN

[acorn]

don't forget we've got the duels live to come so there's another opportunity to tweak the presentation. i have to admit that i'm not fully up to speed on the driver /number /sponsor changes yet so i somewhat sympathise with the uk studio crew(even the american commentators were nearly referring to 07 combinations). as this appears to be a late deal i would imagine that all aspects will improve particularly if the nascar hardcore fans email them with CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and they keep some continuity in the studio with perhaps the odd knowledgable guest.

if fans stay with the coverage then sky will know how popular nascar is in this country and if it's as popular as we fans believe it to be then there'll be more reason for sky to pump money into the coverage. it's a bit chicken and egg but they are a business and won't show it if the figures don't add up so it's in both parties interests for them to get it right.

[cgs]

few points there

Yep, tits in studio with not a clue who the 'other' drivers are outside Jr and Jeff

But, unless I am completely wrong, the main one is the moan about the pre-race show. In the US, fans don't see it either unless they switch over their TV to Speed. This is a Fox show, and they show just the race. I use TVU on the net to watch the pre-race and they switch over to Sky Sport3 for the race - very similar to the US fans only I use a PC for the Speed shows.


actually, you are wrong. Speed do have a pre-race show, but its a kind of pre-pre-race race show called "RaceDay". Fox/ESPN also have their own pre-race show which includes driver interviews and the command.

[acorn]

Just wondering how many subscribers NASN have lost due to Skys coverage and the lack of it on NASN.....I for one have cancelled NASN

if you already have sky sports, i would imagine dumping nasn would be an easier decision than if if you didn't. for those who can make do with live(or as live)nationwide with sprint cup highlights on 5 then staying with nasn may be the better option. personally, during 07 i got square eyes because there was so much motorsport to watch and watching channel 5/five us highlights(as opposed to full live coverage) suited me fine.

as an aside, junior must be a really happy bunny, no engine failure, car home in one piece AND a win to start the season.

[pwb]

Just wondering how many subscribers NASN have lost due to Skys coverage and the lack of it on NASN.....I for one have cancelled NASN

There is still much more NASCAR coverage on NASN than Sky - don't know where you got your facts from?

Anyway, I am a NASCAR fan and that obviously includes NASCAR Nationwide (LIVE and AS LIVE). NASCAR project on NASN last night was real good as well.

There is more to NASCAR than the Sprint series.

[cgs]

pwb - I am a NASCAR fan, but i primarily watch the Sprint Cup. i don't mind watching the Nationwide series a few days after the race via a torrent because i've been doing that since Motors TV lost their coverage of it anyway!

[colinspooky]

actually, you are wrong. Speed do have a pre-race show, but its a kind of pre-pre-race race show called "RaceDay". Fox/ESPN also have their own pre-race show which includes driver interviews and the command.

I didn't know about the Fox pre-race show.





There is more to NASCAR than the Sprint series.

Fully agree with that - will be watching Nationwide too.

On a side note, as soon as the Sky coverage started, the studio guy mentioned Busch within a few words of going on air. Nice. Niggles that he didn't know how to pronounce Bowyer and Kahne either, but he will with our constructive help.

[djparky]

mmmm well I thought that was fine actually- yes there were too many ad breaks but that's as much a symptom of the US broadcast as anything else- given that they haven't shown NASCAR on Sky for along time they'll take a while to get up to speed

I'm not too bothered about the pre-race or the post race stuff as I never really watched it anyway- lets face it NASCAR is a minority sport in the UK so we're lucky to get it at all- and I remember Eurocraps first CART race and it was a disaster- the commentary team had no idea no idea what was going on

it's good to see they're welcome feedback and I will email them about the ad breaks but aside from that I was happy with what we got

[Simmi]

Its a shame because I dont think it is in Sky's nature to simply air someone elses coverage in it's entirety. I was glad we even got to see a bit of the American studio debate.

I suppose the one thing you could ask for is to have less UK studio stuff in the caution periods - because I'd find the US guys talking about something completely unrelated a lot more interesting.

It is just the nature of Nascar that there are periods with no racing. You cant blame Sky for wanting a studio to fall back on for things like rain delays and extended cautions.

If they do have to have a studio, could they not have someone more pleasing on the eye. If anyone has seen Sky's A1GP footage you'll know what I'm talking about!

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

i somewhat sympathise with the uk studio crew

I dont, its their bloody job mate!!!. They should do a bit of research.

And we need the US pre race!!! its a must. all the interviews etc.

All they have to do when the US is on a break and we aren't is to show the race feed and the two guys in the studio here can talk over it. That way i get to see the race and they justify their pay packets.

[jeffmr2]

All they have to do when the US is on a break and we aren't is to show the race feed and the two guys in the studio here can talk over it. That way i get to see the race and they justify their pay packets.

I just sent a polite e-mail suggesting that very thing myself together with a bit more pre-race build up.

[FeeWaybill]

Whilst I acknowledge some of the criticism on here I do think that the general reaction is too harsh. Remember that Sky are new to this and are appealing to a wide audience, not just the afficionados of this site. The fact they have taken coverage can only be a good thing for all Nascar fans. Wider appeal means a greater audience and increased and prolonged coverage. Nascar sitting on a minority satellite channel was never sustainable in the long term. If you want to be a selective minority audience then so be it, but that has its problems as can be seen from the past. Constructive critiscism is fine, but some of the slating has been almost pompous. Nascar remains a minority spectator sport in the UK, give it chance to grow and see the benefits. I for one say thanks SKY. Widescreen Nascar with unbelieveable on board shots beats ANY OTHER FORM OF RACING. Spread the word guys and girls!

[ghostdancing]

Why is this thread getting so angry.

We have got NASCAR on SKY for the next 2 years. Thats Brilliant.
SKY's first attempt last night was good honest try.

They have asked for out suggestions, and hopefully we have all emailed now, being polite, and saying thanks for SKY grabbing NASCAR from SULTANA.

I mentioned about prerace, well at least from the invocation, and to make sure we watch right up to winners circle, and post race driver interviews.

We got US commentary, SKY did not miss a restart, widescreen picture was better than we have had before, and the sound quality was great through the surround sound. SKY will do a great job. The studio bits were not too irritating, but will imrove.

It's all good. No more SULTANA, Thank you SKY :)

[pwb]

Why is this thread getting so angry.

We have got NASCAR on SKY for the next 2 years. Thats Brilliant.
SKY's first attempt last night was good honest try.

They have asked for out suggestions, and hopefully we have all emailed now, being polite, and saying thanks for SKY grabbing NASCAR from SULTANA.

I mentioned about prerace, well at least from the invocation, and to make sure we watch right up to winners circle, and post race driver interviews.

We got US commentary, SKY did not miss a restart, widescreen picture was better than we have had before, and the sound quality was great through the surround sound. SKY will do a great job. The studio bits were not too irritating, but will imrove.

It's all good. No more SULTANA, Thank you SKY :)

You are right, it was a first try and it will hopefully get better and more towards the NASN (not Setanta) presentation. Let's hope and maybe you are right in that we should not be too harsh - let's wait till Daytona.

Also, please stop referring to Setanta having had the rights, it was NASN last year that had the rights. NASN is owned by ESPN since Feb / March 2007.

[GARYGAZZA]

Datona 500 quals on fox.Try this link http://www.justin.tv/davez

[RaikkonenRules]

Just thinking - Sky won't have the pre-race show - that's on Speed while the race is on Fox.
So for all you pre-race fans, there's still TVU ;)

What channel on TVU is NASCAR shown on?

[quorky]

nascar on sky sports they have signed a two year deal with nascar show all 38 races

[spawn_e_git]

Whilst I've just started to watch the repeats on Sky, I did Sky+ the race last night but never got round to watching it becuase of the football.

With regard to the adverts. If you've ever watched NASCAR in the US you will know how many ad breaks they have. If you haven't...watch the US coverage of the golf on Sky and see how many times they switch to the studio.

Cut Sky some slack.

When Sky first started showing the football everyone complained that the studio guests were crap etc etc.

They'll get better at the same speed as we get used to their style of coverage and we'll all meet happily in the middle :)

[pwb]

With regard to the adverts. If you've ever watched NASCAR in the US you will know how many ad breaks they have. If you haven't...watch the US coverage of the golf on Sky and see how many times they switch to the studio.

Cut Sky some slack.

When Sky first started showing the football everyone complained that the studio guests were crap etc etc.

They'll get better at the same speed as we get used to their style of coverage and we'll all meet happily in the middle :)

Yes, but a lot of us are comparing it to NASN's coverage of the last few years. That is the yardstick. We know how NASN dealt with the advert breaks, the pre race and the post race.

[spawn_e_git]

Never watched the NASN as it was more to pay on top of my Sky.

Sky say they will have a longer program for the 500 race so there should be more of the build up and post race coverage.

I've never understood why they can't buy the uninterrupted feed and have their own ad breaks. After all, the F1 coverage was not always done by the BBC but there was never ad breaks then.

[NASCAR8]

So is that the best Sky can offer? Two guys who don't have a clue what they are talking about. NASCAR has been my fave' sport for 18 years and i hate to see Sky screw it up! So are we getting the pre-race build up to the Daytona 500, or some 2nd rate Sky c**p?
If they can't do a better job than NASN thay should have left it alone. :confused:

[cgs]

to be fair, F1 coverage is done in a different way to NASCAR.

in F1, the host nation assigns a company to produce the actual race coverage, including replays etc. then the individual countries will then provide their own commentary, pit reporters and studio inserts etc. and these are typically (but not always) located at the track itself. this means that watching an F1 race in the UK will be different to watching an F1 race in Germany, France, America etc.

NASCAR is different. they assign on broadcaster in the USA to coverage the race. they then have full control over what cameras are used, what they are pointing it, when pit reporters come in etc. this is then broadcast on the main channel in America (i.e. Fox for the Daytona 500). from this footage, an international version is created. it takes out any graphics showing sponsor logos (for legal reasons), and during the advery breaks they dont bother directing the show and simply add on an in-car camera or another camera. the international broadcasters (i.e. Sky Sports) then have to fit in around these slots, either by broadcasting adverts, going to their own studio, or simply broadcasting the in-car footage.

[dwboogityfan]

I didn't think it was too bad from Sky for a first effort. There were a few mistakes I noticed - notably the spelling of DW's name - and Keith and Ben struggled pn occasion to identify cars but remember we are all huge fans of the sport which I'm sure Keith and Ben will eventually become.
The production values were excellent - far better than that of NASN - although the amount of adverts was a little disappointing.
I think we'll see Sky's coverage improve as the year goes on but I wasn't too displeased.

[blown50stang]

im sure with time things will work out , we might need someone to stream fox sports on tvunetworks so we get our pre / post race coverage .
copy of my email to sky , excuse the sa , not to good at english.



Dear skysports editior ,
i did email you guys early this morning , regarding the Nascar coverage of the bud shootout , i was probably a little tired when doing so.I will keep my feedback as short as possible , having been a Nascar fan for years and going to the states and seeing lots of big races and meeting many drivers and team owners i feel that my opinion may be helpful.
Coverage of the pre race and post race shows are a must because of the huge imformation that can be learnt from the presenters of FOX , TNT and ESPN , these guys being race drivers, crew chiefs and team owners have been involed in Nascar for many years and have Eaten , breathed and sleeped Nascar and oval racing .Myself and others have been educated by the excellent coverage of guys like Darrell Waltrip , Jeff Hammond and the late Benny Parsons as once we were all novices like so many will be this year,who better to cover all the Nascar pre race build up , race and post race shows than one of these guys ,for example a premiership football match covered by presenters from a country where football is a minor sport and the knowledge was limited just wouldnt work.
Nasns coverage of nascar has been going down hill since they were bought out by Setanta , and they had a very poor customer service , however when the coverage was on time (most of the time ) it was excellent as we had the whole coverage shown by the US tv networks , i understand that when the US networks were on a break , Nasn would just let the coverage roll on and sometimes you had a silent camera shot of either in car or an aerial view and sky may find this a little un proffesional however it worked fine and most of us were very happy with that but i know you must cater for the newbees and this might not work for you.By going to your studio and missing some of the talk under caution that may be relevent to an incident after the break , i found this a little disjointed and spoiled the atmosphere of the race ,i understand that comercial breaks are very common in Nascar coverege by the TV networks and you may not want to use everyone , Nasn sometimes went with a quick driver profile or someting similar to use the break time but they returned straight away when the coverage came back on in the states even on a caution.
As a fan like many others in the UK , who knows each driver and their personality that goes with them , its not just a no 20 Toyota , no 99 Ford or a no 24 Chevy stock car, its a certain driver with a different style of racing and attitude behind the wheel, most of us Nascar fans have found out each drivers personality and response to others during the pre race and post race interviews , its a way of getting to know whos who .With a race build up you could have a cutaway car ,to show how these things are set up for different tracks , at different tracks you have different pitfalls like tyre wear , fuel mileage and valve spring failiure , all of his imformation is very important and is a must for a Nascar fan , new or old and it works really well .Im not trying to tell Skysports how to run their shop and i do not want to offend the presenters on the bud shootout because we are all very pleased that you guys have got the rights for 2 years so we get our Nascar fix , i wish you success in this and hopefully with a few tweeks this racing series will continue to grow in the Uk and it gets the respect it deserves.

Sorry for the SA guys at skysports
Many Thanks
Simon

[BobbyC]

Sky is part of News Corp, so the first 13 races should be smooth sailing.

[colinspooky]

I dont, its their bloody job mate!!!. They should do a bit of research.

And we need the US pre race!!! its a must. all the interviews etc.

All they have to do when the US is on a break and we aren't is to show the race feed and the two guys in the studio here can talk over it. That way i get to see the race and they justify their pay packets.


Blimey - that's scary..... I agree with everyword of that. :D

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

Blimey - that's scary..... I agree with everyword of that. :D


Im firm but fair. ;)

I do think SKY will get it right and hopefully learn the subject matter. Its in their best interests to get it right as its got to be better for them for people to be tuning in for the NASCAR half hour earlier to see a pre race show than the four people that were watching some crap like BMX riding, like on saturday.

[scotchman]

Well I've sent off my email to Sky regarding the coverage of the Bud Shootout.

I thought it was good of them to encourage viewers to send in thier comments, hopefully, in time, they will deliver us superb NASCAR coverage.

I was VERY pleased to see that the Daytona 500 is going to be broadcast in High Definition! Sky showed a re-run on Sunday of the Bud Shootout on Sky2HD and it looked amazing!!

If any of you are thinking of getting an HD screen and SkyHD I can highly recommend it!

[RBecking]

Also don't think anyone has mentioned the 500 on Sunday is also in HD on SKY!

[blown50stang]

looks like on the sky forum people are not very pleased with skys coverage of Nascar, would be good to get some response from a sports editior at sky , all might help .

[cgs]

i just hope the producers listen to us fans on all this. if not i may just cancel sky sports and make do with torrents. i've done that for the past few years because i couldn't afford it, and i will do it again.

[Crashedmyfiesta]

Aw crap. We pay all that money for Sky Sports and I didn't even realise that's where it had gone... All I knew was that it had disappeared from NASN...

Roll on 17th!

[blown50stang]

for those who missed pre race Busch vs Stuart interviews after alledged punch up.Waltrip and Hammond crack me up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl1jdbSdgjc :D
Thats what we are talking about , passion ,personality clashes ,previous history educating people who are new to the sport , and presenters who make it fun.

[ghostdancing]

Now that we all know SKY will be showing NASCAR Sprint races upto the end of 2009. Shall we begin a new thread dedicated just to NASCAR on SKY.

The old thread titled 'NASCAR coverage in England (http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123430)' was really great, but we need to concentrate on getting SKY upto speed on how we want them to broadcast the races.

We all want the pre-race show back, less UK studio time, and more of the US extras, such as the cut away car and pit row reports.

We can get SKY to do it the way we used to have it on NASN a few years back.

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

We all want the pre-race show back, less UK studio time, and more of the US extras, such as the cut away car and pit row reports.

Couldnt agree more with this. Without this input how are people ment to understand the intricacies of NASCAR.

[BobbyC]

I hope you over the other side of the Atlantic can get it that way. You might contact Sky where you're located and also to both Fox Sports and NASCAR in Daytona to show your concerns.

Pit lane reporting is crucial. There are some times I watch an F1 race here in the States and without pit notes, you cannot have crucial information. Does ITV (I have heard of them, of course, they gave us Idols and Millionaire, two popular shows in the States, Millionaire now is a 5-day a week strip) have pit road reports in F1 races?

Of course now having ex-mechanics working races is one of the best things I've seen in motorsport. ESPN Classic showed some old Daytona 500 races and it's clearly different how it was with Bill Flemming and Jackie Stewart, Ken Squier and David Hobbs in the 1970's, the 1990's when we saw the rise of Ned Jarrett who moved from pit lane to being the lead analyst, and the legendary 1998 "500" when Mike Joy, Buddy Baker, and Ned Jarrett, and even to the modern three-man commentary box of lead, driver, and mechanic. (Joy, McReynolds, D. Waltrip and also Punch, D. Jarrett, Petree are the examples in NASCAR)

Three-man booths are a trend US television developed since NFL coverage in 1970.

[NASCAR8]

Could not believe how bad the two bozos were on Sky the other night! Could not even get the drivers names right. I have already sent Sky a email telling them so, and how we need the Fox pre-race show back.
It is now down to every UK NASCAR fan to write emails to Sky and DEMAND better coverage. :confused:

[acorn]

Does ITV (I have heard of them, of course, they gave us Idols and Millionaire, two popular shows in the States, Millionaire now is a 5-day a week strip) have pit road reports in F1 races?


yes they do although f1 teams aren't as free with their information(or is that mis information) as nascar teams appear to be. that situation has changed slightly in that they have been getting pit wall access and garage access to a specific(but different) team each week. the nascar studio team live and breathe nascar and so can give a better view of what's going on compared to sky's studio which often(but not always) comprises those in motorsport but not necessarily the category they are presenting.

[blown50stang]

Not trying to push my way in on this but im as frustrated as you guys, spoke to sky sports viewer relations to express my feelings to the powers that be , i said do you guys not respond to our feedback and how do we know the right people are getting our emails.Have you seen the Nascar fans thoughts on your coverage and how important the pre and post race shows are on the forums . They had no plans to show the pre race and post race shows as they didnt have the rights to show it , i assume because they didnt buy it , they didnt think that after the deal was done they could change it .
My thoughts are
1) would Nascar sell the coverage to sky without it because if they did wtf.
if they want the sport to grow around the world they must know how important it is , so i say i dont buy that and i think Nascar need to know that sky arent showing it,but we may need help from some of the Nascar people in the states.
2) They mentioned how long each race was and i guess they were almost saying they didnt have enough air time , they should have thought about that before taking it from Nasn and didnt they show the bud shootout 3 or more times. Most Nascar races will not clash with other sports because its late on a sunday night.Dont buy that either.

morral of the story is if you dont do your homework on Nascar and its coverage and fan feed back , maybe you shouldnt have gone for it and left it at Nasn.

try these guys , more of us complain we might get somewhere.
Skysports customer services seem helpful so lets not be to rude .

viewerr@bskyb.com ( viewer realations)
tel no .. 08700240778
think this is a number for sports news editor , might not be as helpful as one above , 02077053000 .

[acorn]

looks like on the sky forum people are not very pleased with skys coverage of Nascar,

all four of them. hardly representative. the crictical and less tolerant are usually more vociferous than those who are happy or have no opinion either way.

[blown50stang]

what other forums would we find this topic and all let our thoughts known to sky.



www.ten-tenths.com (http://www.ten-tenths.com)

[blown50stang]

try this
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=21512154

[colinspooky]

You do have to wonder if anyone important enough at any company gets to hear 'outside' criticism - they are usually surrounded by people telling them what a great job they are doing, which basically translates to the minions keeping a lid on things because they don't want to appear to be the bringer of bad news to the boss in his ivory tower.
:rolleyes:



PS: What exactly is an ivory tower? :D

[colinspooky]

Darn - just noticed - NASN is showing the Nationwide race at 8.30am Sunday - so by watching the 500 I am going to know the result before seeing it, because they always mention it, as they would.


Oh well............

:rolleyes:

[davidbravo]

May have been mentioned earlier on thread but, like many others, I was waiting for setanta at the weekend and found nothing. Flipped around and found that it was now down to Sky.

You cannot really shoot Keith Heuwan down for his presentation - what he lacks in knowledge he makes up with enthusiasm. I'm sure he'll very quickly get up to speed with exactly why we get steamed up over NASCAR. Remember how awful F1 coverage from the studio side when ITV took it over? It soon changed.

As for Ben Collins - he needs a dose of something to make an exciting sport sound exactly that - EXCITING. There is one man here in UK who is a real enthusiast and he's from the world of rallying - that Pentti Arikkala. Mind you his Finnnish English gets quite unintelligible when he gets going!

Give them a few races and maybe, just maybe, SKY will read this and other forums and take note.

I have just cancelled my NASN/Setanta subscription - when asked for the reason I quoted loss of NASCAR. The reply was quite a surprise. Basically they've had a very large number of cancellations due to the loss and very few have been persuaded to stay on at reduced subscription rates. Again the reason was a bit of a surprise - we don't want more soccer!!

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

Why would you buy the races without the pre race coverage?. These people must be stupid as hell!. I dont know what sky spent on the contract but i bet it was a fair penny, without the pre race its worthless. Looks like we'll all have to keep our NASN subscrpitions so we can watch NASCAR Now otherwise we will never get any news.

and the "havent got enough time in the schedule" is bobbins. Sky sports has so much crap on it its unbelievable. NASCARs pre race show would pull in alot more viewers than BMX ridin or show jumpin.

[colinspooky]

1 without the pre race its worthless.

2 "havent got enough time in the schedule"

3 pull in alot more viewers than BMX ridin or show jumpin.



1 Bit too strong

2 Agree

3 Agree big time

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

1 Bit too strong

2 Agree

3 Agree big time

Yeah was a bit strong. it just seems so odd. Ill have to set the laptop up and get the pre race of Speed sunday if the pre race is on speed, fox hasnt been on tvu for ages.

[colinspooky]

Be nice to get the Fox races on TVU - just one more back up

[NASCAR8]

After getting used to the great NASN coverage over the last few years, the Sky Sports show the other night was a bit.........crap.
No pre-race show, and a couple of goons who could not even get the drivers names right!
I think it is now down to every UK fan to email Sky and DEMAND better coverage. If they know the REAL fans are not happy with what they are showing, they will HAVE to change things around, and give us what we want. And that is the full Fox pre and post race coverage. :confused:

[pwb]

Darn - just noticed - NASN is showing the Nationwide race at 8.30am Sunday - so by watching the 500 I am going to know the result before seeing it, because they always mention it, as they would.


Oh well............

:rolleyes:

Sorry... Why? The Nationwide race will be on NASN before the Daytona 500. What is the issue? I will watch the Nationwide AS LIVE on NASN and then watch the Daytona 500 LIVE.

This is absolutely perfect!

[cgs]

lets see how they handle the 150s and the '500 before we launch a full tirade though! you can't do all that off the back of one broadcast!

[blown50stang]

got email back from sky ,

Dear Simon

Thank you for your e-mail regarding our coverage of Nascar.

Please accept my sincere apologies for any dissatisfaction that you have experienced with our pre and post race coverage and with the presenters of the above programme. All of the commentators on our Sky Sports channels are selected on the basis of their expertise in their particular field, and we do endeavour to ensure that our commentators provide our viewers with information that will complement and enhance their enjoyment of the event in progress.

However, your comments have been noted and passed on to Sky Sports for their information.

I trust the above information is of value to you and thank you for contacting Sky.

Kind regards

Gordon Smith
Viewer Relations





dont get any feedback from nascar@skysports.com

for people who had setanta just for Nascar , like myself ,now we pay more and get a lot less without being able to do anything about it , really its not the money its the coverage im not going to stop making a pain of myself to sky as its not right

[colinspooky]

aha - so, the big hand is on the eight and the little hand is........

I really do need to learn how to tell the time..... :D

[71minus2]

with posts like this NASCAR fans are becoming as petty as Star trek fans. Take a chill pill, provide POSITIVE feed back to Sky and give them a chance.

How much more does it add whether you watch Keith Heuwen in the studio providing a race update or a 3 lap down car circulating while the producer checks out the manoeuvrability of the camera. Sky did not miss a restart, yes they had no pre or post race stuff but the main bit is the race itself!

Sky has HD and widescreen coverage which NASN or Motors TV previosuly did not.

If Sky have not improved come race 10 then yes start a protest thread. At the moment this is totally pointless!

[blown50stang]

no chill pill , 10 races , nearly a third of a season, doesnt take a brain surgon at sky to get their coverage right.i dont see why they didnt look at the coverage Fox , Tnt , Espn and Nasn were showing before they even bought the rights , just seems that when somethings ok somebody always comes along and messes it up, wonder what the US Nascar fans would say if Fox didnt show any pre or post race show this Sunday for the 500 ,just because we are the other side of the pond we still have the same passon for the sport ,it doesnt mean we shouldnt try and get what works.Rather than some of us disagreeing shouldnt we a let our thoughts know , bet you would all be to happy to watch it.

[JovialJooles]

Make a stand about what exactly? Talk about over egging the pudding.

How many threads do we need about the TV coverage?

We have had one show so far. Can we please keep things in perspective?

If you are not happy with what SKY are offering, email them and let them know.

[Simmi]

Ok so Keith has just announced the 'vast majority' of the Cup races will be live - as in not all of them.

So not quite what we thought but we'll see how the schedule pans out.

[Rapier Racer]

All of the commentators on our Sky Sports channels are selected on the basis of their expertise in their particular field

Yeah, the guy just admitted hes practically learning as he goes week by week sounds like he has real expertise. Oh well the most important thing is that he noticed Tony Stuart has the coolest visor in NASCAR I don't understand what everyones complaining about with information like that on offer. :p

[cgs]

i think that broadcast was a vast improvement on the Shootout. it started off a bit sloppy with absolutely no pre-race coverage from Speed/Fox and returning to the action a bit later, but as the show went on it started to improve. i found myslef shouting at the TV (at sky anyway!) a lot less. i liked the increased coverage from the track between the 2 races and an incresed number of post-race interviews after race 2. the guest seemed to know a bit about the sport. when i heard he was from autosport, i thought "oh no, he'll only know about F1" but he was quite knowledgable

bad points:
- the broadcast was in SD with no widescreen
- a few occations of going to the Speed commentary a bit late. Keith needs to learn to cut his hand overs down to only a few words. "now back to the track" would be suitable, not waffling on
- an open addmission that he knows next-to-nothing about NASCAR

[blown50stang]

better coverage of gatorade duals ,less time in studio more time with speed , i enjoyed it more ,come on guys pre race and a bit more post race and you got it.Please. :rolleyes:

[JovialJooles]

Yeah no widescreen, was that beacuse it was a SPEED feed?

I thought it was better than Saturday's show.

I'm pleased to hear again tonight that they are taking on board our comments.

Julian

[cgs]

i dont think its an issue with the duels being on speed because speed have just launched a HD channel, so it would have been produced in HD

[bigun]

Yeah no widescreen, was that beacuse it was a SPEED feed?

I thought it was better than Saturday's show.

I'm pleased to hear again tonight that they are taking on board our comments.

Julian

There was a High definiton widescreen feed to Europe, so do not know why we got 4:3

[FeeWaybill]

Moan moan moan whinge whinge whinge. Some of you guys must be a real joy to live with, and I have no doubt that you all excell every minute of every working hour in your chosen proffessions.

This is Sky's first year of coverage, they were bound to use an existing presenter and Keith Huewen has covered all manner of Motorsport for them in the past. He is enthusiastic, energetic, passionate about all motorsport, and he is HONEST. Would you prefer him to b*******t his way through, isn't it better he admits he is learning the finer details as he goes along, and doesn't he look like he is enjoying it? I take him all day every day over some geek spouting technicalities.

Wake up...This programme has not been instigated to keep the relatively small number of hardcore enthusiats happy. If we all want coverage to continue and grow then it needs to appeal to much wider audience and the presenters last night seemed a perfect partnership to do this.

Give Sky a break please (no I don't work for them).

[anafurn]

Moan moan moan whinge whinge whinge. Some of you guys must be a real joy to live with, and I have no doubt that you all excell every minute of every working hour in your chosen proffessions.

This is Sky's first year of coverage, they were bound to use an existing presenter and Keith Huewen has covered all manner of Motorsport for them in the past. He is enthusiastic, energetic, passionate about all motorsport, and he is HONEST. Would you prefer him to b*******t his way through, isn't it better he admits he is learning the finer details as he goes along, and doesn't he look like he is enjoying it? I take him all day every day over some geek spouting technicalities.

Wake up...This programme has not been instigated to keep the relatively small number of hardcore enthusiats happy. If we all want coverage to continue and grow then it needs to appeal to much wider audience and the presenters last night seemed a perfect partnership to do this.

Give Sky a break please (no I don't work for them).

I tend to agree, I thought last night's effort was a significant improvement on the shootout and it appears that Sky have taken a lot of the critical comments on board. I decided to wait until after the 500 to add my two pence worth as the full race will give us a good idea of what to expect for the rest of the season.

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

Last night was much better than saturdays shocker. Still alot to work on but was watchable albeit late as some selfish tit chucked themselves under a train at Romford so i didnt get home until 9.

Hopefully sundays even better.

[NASCAR8]

I know Sky always like to use there own people on Sky Sports, like there NFL coverage. But this time they should take heed of the fans and give us what we want and PAY for. :confused:

[Smoke]

Moan moan moan whinge whinge whinge. Some of you guys must be a real joy to live with, and I have no doubt that you all excell every minute of every working hour in your chosen proffessions.

This is Sky's first year of coverage, they were bound to use an existing presenter and Keith Huewen has covered all manner of Motorsport for them in the past. He is enthusiastic, energetic, passionate about all motorsport, and he is HONEST. Would you prefer him to b*******t his way through, isn't it better he admits he is learning the finer details as he goes along, and doesn't he look like he is enjoying it? I take him all day every day over some geek spouting technicalities.

Wake up...This programme has not been instigated to keep the relatively small number of hardcore enthusiats happy. If we all want coverage to continue and grow then it needs to appeal to much wider audience and the presenters last night seemed a perfect partnership to do this.

Give Sky a break please (no I don't work for them).

I have to say - I disagree with most of that :D

[scotchman]

I'm just looking forward to the Daytona 500 on Sunday in HD. It's going to be AWESOME!

Hopefully Sky will give it the proper coverage it deserves and stop going to commercials when the Americans do(like every 6 minutes..)and just stick with an on-board shot from one of the front-running cars.

Fingers crossed!

[wends]

Please can anyone help, I've just been on the phone to sky but got foreign central where no one can speak English!

1. Does anyone on here know which sky sports channel NASCAR will be shown live on throughout the year (we think its Sky Sports 2)?

2. Can you get one sky sports channel on its own and if so, how much? (we already have the 6 mixes)

Love to start watching tonight but it seems impossible to speak to sky and have some assistance from their customer service team. (It's annoying when you speak to someone at sky and they've never heard of NASCAR and you have to spell it out several times but to no avail) please help!

[cgs]

the races will be on 2, 3 and Xtra:

Daytona 500 - SS2
California - SSX
Las Vegas - SS2
Atlanta - SS2
Bristol - SS3
OFF WEEK
Martinsville - SSX

thats as far as my schedules show so far.

it doesnt look like you can only chose 1 or 2 channels, you can only have all 4.
prices: http://mysky.sky.com/portal/site/skycom/skyproducts/skytv/pricesandpackages

[blown50stang]

any of you Nascar fans know where i can get live streaming tv of fox sports to catch pre and post race shows of the 500 today.Thanks guys

[colinspooky]

try tvu for at least some coverage

[GARYGAZZA]

any of you Nascar fans know where i can get live streaming tv of fox sports to catch pre and post race shows of the 500 today.Thanks guys


http://www.justin.tv/davez Try this link nearer the time it may show prerace.It showed live strean of the bud shootout last week.

[El Sween]

Chill out guys and girls and give Sky a chance and above all enjoy tonight's race and don't let silly things bug you. It will improve.

[wends]

the races will be on 2, 3 and Xtra:

Daytona 500 - SS2
California - SSX
Las Vegas - SS2
Atlanta - SS2
Bristol - SS3
OFF WEEK
Martinsville - SSX

thats as far as my schedules show so far.

it doesnt look like you can only chose 1 or 2 channels, you can only have all 4.
prices: http://mysky.sky.com/portal/site/skycom/skyproducts/skytv/pricesandpackages

Thanks for the reply cgs, shame about having to have all sports channels, i guess channel 5 will do for time being,(cost is a bit to much at the moment) shame we cant have pay per view.

[ghostdancing]

Gonna see if I can get my name mentioned on SKY.

So gonna email an important question. 'Why do the cars have wheels?'

Lets see if I get my name mentioned

[Osella]

http://www.justin.tv/davez2

Online now, direct feed from FOX!

[wedge]

http://www.justin.tv/davez2

Online now, direct feed from FOX!

Nice one, Osella :up:

How reliable is that website if I wanna watch other races?

TVU sucks on my computer :down:

[Osella]

Dunno how reliable, I used to use Sopcast as TVU is rubbish these days. First time I tried this site tho! Sky is on the way however...!

[JovialJooles]

Gonna see if I can get my name mentioned on SKY.

So gonna email an important question. 'Why do the cars have wheels?'

Lets see if I get my name mentioned

Dave17 from the SCSA forum got his name mentioned last night...


Chill out guys and girls and give Sky a chance and above all enjoy tonight's race and don't let silly things bug you. It will improve.

I thought last night's coverage was much improved. They are obviously taking all contstructive criticism onboard. They picture quality was excellent as well.

[uskram]

I'll second that! The coverage was a lot better last night, just need to get rid of captain cheerful,(stig) Ben Collins. If they keep improving the way they are by mid season they'll be ok. As for the inane questions, do we want more viewers for our sport or not? Seems to me as if new people are interested and watching, which can only be a good thing!
NASN coverage of the Nationwide race on Sunday morning was superb, I think there was three advert breaks in the 3 1/2 hour show....

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

Some of the questions were funny, most of them could have been answer with a bit of commen sense from the people watching. Having said that a bmate of mine came over sunday afternoon and i put the 300 on and he basically asked the same questions.



I thought last night's coverage was much improved. They are obviously taking all contstructive criticism onboard. They picture quality was excellent as well.


It was ten time better. The thing that gets up my nose is them ramming Dario Franchitti down my throat. And why did ben collins go all that way and only talk to Montoya?. Not Dale Jr., Jeff Gordon or Tony Stewart.

[Bobby_Hamlin]

The thing that gets up my nose is them ramming Dario Franchitti down my throat.

This is pretty out there but it could be because he's a British driver new to NASCAR who previous viewers of US motorsport on Sky will be familiar with.

I thought the coverage last night was good and they're clearing taking feedback onboard.

[acorn]

NASN coverage of the Nationwide race on Sunday morning was superb, I think there was three advert breaks in the 3 1/2 hour show....

possible lack of interested advertisers cos they've heard that subscribers are jumping ship to sky?

[NASCAR8]

"OK race fans if there is anything you want to know just log on to StupidQuestions.com". For Gods sake!! I have been a NASCAR fan for 18 years, and just not used to putting up with this crap from Sky.To think we have got two years of this untill NASN may get there hands back on NASCAR, and we can go back to some good coverage and a PRE-RACE SHOW!! :confused:

[colinspooky]

"OK race fans if there is anything you want to know just log on to StupidQuestions.com". For Gods sake!! I have been a NASCAR fan for 18 years, and just not used to putting up with this crap from Sky.To think we have got two years of this untill NASN may get there hands back on NASCAR, and we can go back to some good coverage and a PRE-RACE SHOW!! :confused:

Sorry, so unfair. Just like ALL media, subjects are done over and over, to help those that have never seen the subject before. Women's magazines cover the same things over and over, because girls are growing up all the time.

Same with TV and sports. Even the American commentators will occasionally tell us what tight and loose means. Hell, they even have a cutaway car to explain stuff that experienced fans know already.

NASCAR is a primarily US sport, so lots of Brits will need help easing in. You don't, I don't, but others who are tuning in for the first time will, and that's fine by me. I am talking about youngsters who have just managed to get the remote from dad, and stumble upon a race and get interested.

The race was still on, just listen to the engines.

Gawd, even in football matches (soccer to all you US types), the pundits discuss some of the rules occasionally.

Loved the NASN coverage of the Nationwide - but as someone else said, don't think they found any advertisers which is a shame. Would hate to see them go under.

[Delenn]

NASN coverage of the Nationwide race on Sunday morning was superb, I think there was three advert breaks in the 3 1/2 hour show....
Indeed it was. It just emphasizes how poor Sky is, despite the improvements they have tried to make.

[FeeWaybill]

NASN coverage of the Nationwide race on Sunday morning was superb, I think there was three advert breaks in the 3 1/2 hour show....

And still some are watching with blinkered goggles. No adverts = no income for the broadcaster = no long term business viability = end of coverage. Enjoy it while you can.

[jeffmr2]

I watched the 300 live saturday night via nascar.com ok i had to put up with usa adverts but imo you just cant beat watching an event live.I thought it was very poor of NASN not to broadcast the race live.Anyone know if all the nationwide events will be available on nascar.com?if so my NASN subscription will be cancelled.
As for Sky's coverage of the 500,apart from limited pre race build up i thought they done a great job,we had plenty of in car footage with excellent picture quality.Some of the questions were a bit stupid but at least it shows non nascar fans are taking a look and you just have to laugh at how bored Ben Collins looks and sounds with it all!!

[colinspooky]

you just have to laugh at how bored Ben Collins looks and sounds with it all!!




He is apparently a driver - and they are not allowed any emotions. :dozey:

[JovialJooles]

To be fair to Ben, he was probably Jet Lagged. I think he probably just wanted to go to sleep! :)

Also, it could be nerves, I'm not sure he has done much live TV.

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

Sorry, so unfair. Just like ALL media, subjects are done over and over, to help those that have never seen the subject before. Women's magazines cover the same things over and over, because girls are growing up all the time.

True, how many times did we see the "this is what happans when a broken valve drops into the cylinder head" VT on ESPN.


NASCAR is a primarily US sport, so lots of Brits will need help easing in. You don't, I don't, but others who are tuning in for the first time will, and that's fine by me. I am talking about youngsters who have just managed to get the remote from dad, and stumble upon a race and get interested.

True like i said above i had to explian a few things to my buddy who was watching the 300 with me. So some things do need to be covered for the newbies.


And still some are watching with blinkered goggles. No adverts = no income for the broadcaster = no long term business viability = end of coverage. Enjoy it while you can.

NASN doesnt really show ads with anything. the odd few here and there. i think they mianly run off the subscription money itself. But with lots of people leaving that cant be good for them.

[acorn]

Some of the questions were a bit stupid but at least it shows non nascar fans are taking a look

which means more people are taking an interest which can only be good and hopefully will lead to a return of the v8s to (uk)rockingham's oval.

[colinspooky]

...and hopefully will lead to a return of the v8s to (uk)rockingham's oval....



The UK Rock will never be a success as an oval - track is just toooooo boring without decently high variable banking to get the speeds up along with multiple racing lines......

:rolleyes:

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

The UK Rock will never be a success as an oval - track is just toooooo boring without decently high variable banking to get the speeds up along with multiple racing lines......

:rolleyes:

Its a shame but true. The shape of the oval (almost a square designed to fit the site) is not conducive to close racing.

[colinspooky]

wow - panic over. Virgin Media listed the California Nationwide race as an episode of Nascar Now on their EPG. Clever disguise. :rolleyes:

Mind you, 7.30am Sunday. Early start. May have to rely on the recording of that one. :D

[pwb]

NASN doesnt really show ads with anything. the odd few here and there. i think they mianly run off the subscription money itself. But with lots of people leaving that cant be good for them.

NASN / ESPN subscription numbers are based on Setanta subscribers which are actually going up. So ESPN are actually get more subscribers not less at this moment in time.

[Speedworx]

Its a shame but true. The shape of the oval (almost a square designed to fit the site) is not conducive to close racing.

I dunno, we've had some great V8 Trophy races at Rockingham and the Pick ups are always close.

[acorn]

The UK Rock will never be a success as an oval - track is just toooooo boring without decently high variable banking to get the speeds up along with multiple racing lines......

:rolleyes:

i think you meant to say the 4 different corners present a challenge for the drivers which, with trust between the drivers, can be taken side by side. the shallow banking dictates judicious use of the throttle with a compromise setup. while not being THE fastest track, an average of 150+mph and top speed before turn 4 of 170+mph doesn't qualify it as slow.

get the numbers of cars up and the crowds WILL return.

[Simmi]

So did anyone stay watching it till the bitter end last night? What time did they pull the plug.
I dont suppose they will be showing the race today when it starts up again. I'm definately pleased I called it a night when th.e caution for rain came out

[acorn]

well, the sky epg seems to be slightly confused. i pressed "select" to set a reminder for world motorsport at 7.30pm and it says clashes with nascar 4:00pm ss extra(even though it's not listed). so i went to 4:00pm and selected tennis and that also came up as clashing with nascar. it would appear that they intend to show nascar on sky sports extra. the asian guy at sky customner services says that it will be from 6:00pm and that the epg will be updated. i'll take that information with a pinch of salt and will be checking from 4:00pm onwards.

[colinspooky]

set my V+ box to do the tennis, then something else, then I think it was raceworld - no mention of any clash. fingers crossed.

[Rapier Racer]

Well if this is way Sky is going, actually covering the second part of a race when it gets rained off then I'll give them full marks. You didn't get that with Setanta/NASN no what we got was piss all. Well done Sky.

[colinspooky]

yep - just watched it - good stuff..

Now, when is NASN going to show the N/Wide?

[Rapier Racer]

According the EPG its on at Midnight tonight, but I've seen this happen before when a race is rain delayed, they still have it scheduled in as a repeat but they don't actually show it. It's usually just re-run footage from last weeks race.

Off to NASCAR.com for live streaming, hope it works, Kyle top of all 3 series would make my day :D

[colinspooky]

Kyle top of all 3 series would make my day :D




Loony. :p

Thanks for the other stuff though.



PS: He's not a bad driver I guess when he doesn't go a little mental. Mind you, it does make for some excitement from time to time.

[djparky]

again I don;'t know why people have moaned so much about Sky's coverage- they're doing fine with it- and they stuck with it all night long as well- this would not have happened with NASN/ Setanta- as we well know they'd have pulled the plug at midnight regardless of what was going

so well done for Sky staying with it all night long- sadly my VCR can only record so much even on long play so my tape cut out way before the race ended

[cgs]

VCR? get with the times lol!

i went to bed at 1:30am last night and didn't get back from work till 6:45pm today so i missed a chunk of the middle of the race but i'm so happy Sky stuck with the live footage! thats one thing we would not have got with NASN. way to go Sky!

[colinspooky]

I echo the praise for Sky - well done.

PS: What's a VCR? :D

[acorn]

did anyone use sky+ to record the sunday portion of the race and how did it deal with the extension?

i've got a certain mistrust of how it handles overruns and so set anything after the scheduled finish time as a manual recording(ending at 04:00 which unfortunately wasn't sufficient but i was running out of space anyway)

[brewerkd]

was really impressed that sky changed the schedule on the fly on monday causing other programs to be cancelled to enable them to show the race live at 6pm. Good on sky for show ing me they mean business with Nascar and it's not going to be a minor priority for them

[JovialJooles]

was really impressed that sky changed the schedule on the fly on monday causing other programs to be cancelled to enable them to show the race live at 6pm. Good on sky for show ing me they mean business with Nascar and it's not going to be a minor priority for them

I suspect Keith Heuwan said "do you know how many emails we will get if we don't show it live!" :D

[Abo]

If anyone is interested Five US are showing the NASCAR highlights show on Mondays now instead of Thursdays, so that's just like in the US, the day after the race. I think I'll probably just watch that rather than mess about with torrents and streams.

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

Gotta love skys commitment to getting us the the race live. thumbs up!!!

[ghostdancing]

did anyone use sky+ to record the sunday portion of the race and how did it deal with the extension?

i've got a certain mistrust of how it handles overruns and so set anything after the scheduled finish time as a manual recording(ending at 04:00 which unfortunately wasn't sufficient but i was running out of space anyway)

My Sky+ automatically records the NASCAR races using series link, so that's all good. But... left it to record the sunday portion of the race, and when I looked at the Sky box monday morning at 6.50, it was still recording. In fact it was still recording from 9pm on Sunday. Took up something like 33% of my HD space, so just deleted it.

Alos, a BIG well done to SKY, nice surprise to see the rescheduled race live on Monday at 6pm. I emailed SKY to say well done. We have it good with SKY, and the studio stuff is good too. Hey I even got a name mention on Sunday night, Cool !!!

[colinspooky]

Think we have this cracked - Sky for Cup, NASN for Nationwide, and TVU for Trucks.

BUT... Keith Hewhe (ok, it's a joke on his name) on Sky did hint there may be a clash with IRL timings during the season - so long as they show both close together, like one after the other, I will be happy for one.

Anyone else worried?

:p

[anafurn]

Think we have this cracked - Sky for Cup, NASN for Nationwide, and TVU for Trucks.

BUT... Keith Hewhe (ok, it's a joke on his name) on Sky did hint there may be a clash with IRL timings during the season - so long as they show both close together, like one after the other, I will be happy for one.

Anyone else worried?

:p

Not really, as in previous years it's a question of which to watch live and which to record when the races clash. Last year it was generally the IRL races which were recorded as they are shorter and Sky repeated them so I could record the repeat. This year I assume Sky will be repeating both series. With the demise of Champcar there will also be fewer clashes.
I have cancelled my Setanta direct debit so will only see the Nationwide races until they twig and pull the service.

[djparky]

Think we have this cracked - Sky for Cup, NASN for Nationwide, and TVU for Trucks.

BUT... Keith Hewhe (ok, it's a joke on his name) on Sky did hint there may be a clash with IRL timings during the season - so long as they show both close together, like one after the other, I will be happy for one.

Anyone else worried?

:p

nope- thought Sky did a great job with the rain delay at Fontana- and then showed the race in full twice the next day- and thought the coverage of Las Vegas was excellent- they're learning to speak over the in car footage during ad breaks and getting to grips with the sport

I'm probably cancelling NASN, it's unlikely that I'll see that many Nationwide series races- they don't always show them before the Cup race, so usually have the result anyway- I;d rather see the Craftsman Truck races but can't be arsed to use TVU

as for Indy Car clashes- well they have 4 channels and interactive so it shouldn't be a problem- and they are showing all NASCAR races live (according to what they said the other night)

[jeffmr2]

Sorry for going rather off the point of the above posts but does anyone still have the sprint cup races from California and Vegas on dvd to lend/sell/swap with me? I was at both events and would love to get copies of the races as a momento.Thanks.

[JovialJooles]

Sorry Jeff, I haven't.

Have you tried any of the torrent sites, I'm sure they will be on there. :)

[jeffmr2]

Sorry Jeff, I haven't.

Have you tried any of the torrent sites, I'm sure they will be on there. :)

Thanks i was hoping not to use this method as my share ratio was so poor!!Downloaded the california truck race and now had message i'm being kicked off site in 7 days as my ration has gone too low!!Wish i understood how this site worked so i could upload something.

[JovialJooles]

Thanks i was hoping not to use this method as my share ratio was so poor!!Downloaded the california truck race and now had message i'm being kicked off site in 7 days as my ration has gone too low!!Wish i understood how this site worked so i could upload something.

If you do not allow the torrents you have downloaded to be shared with other users, your share ratio will be very low. You need to increase your upload capacity to allow people to use you as a seed. That is how torrenting works. If all you do is download, you will be kicked off as your are not sharing with other users.

[colinspooky]

BADMINGTON !!!!

thank goodness for Stan's times thread - guess Sky made a timing error

:eek:

[Simmi]

Christ how many do they have to go up to in Badminton!!!! Not good if they miss the green to watch Koreans playing badminton. As important as that is...

[Simmi]

Ok the green drops in 3 minutes and they are going to a deciding game. Aparently its badminton of the highest quality. I hope the five people watching are enjoying it. Bit of a balls up from Sky with the timing.

[cgs]

i was cheering on the yellow team just to get the game over with! i hope they show the race on a delay so we don't miss any of it

[GARYGAZZA]

1 to go till green and all I got is poxey badminton!!!!

[XM369]

you all should be using trackpass, at least you can listen to it and see the positions live on screen.

so sky have gone as bad as satanic sports after 4 races!

[Rapier Racer]

Thought trackpass was only available in the US?

Great 26 laps missed so they could show some ****ty no one gives a **** badminton.

[XM369]

Thought trackpass was only available in the US?

Mate,

you can get it here, we have had it for years, give them your address just use a false state to make the order system work.

Its well worth it.

Paul

[djparky]

calm down people...remember last year on Setanta when they chopped the races at midnight regardless of whether it had finished or not?? or when they show F1 races that run into the evening- we missed the start of the race then as well

Sky have apologised for the delay and they are reshowing the whole thing tomorrow from 1am to 5am and frankly judging by the tedious number of ad breaks this will be by far the best way to watch it-

plus it's a pretty boring race anyway so I doubt we missed very much in the first 26 laps- nothing much has happened in the last 50 laps or so- alot of these mid range tracks ( texas, lowes, chicagoland) seem to produce processions

[mrsheen]

calm down people...remember last year on Setanta when they chopped the races at midnight regardless of whether it had finished or not?? or when they show F1 races that run into the evening- we missed the start of the race then as well

Sky have apologised for the delay.

Exactly.

Everyone complained when Setanta cut away near the end, but we can't have it both ways. Either we want them to cut away from things to show the start of the next programme or we want them to stay to the end.

What makes us as race fans more important than badminton fans? I'd be fuming if I'd been watching that and they cut away at the end...much as I was with Setanta. If anything, that only shows Sky's commitment to showing the business end of what they show.

If you've complained about Sky not cutting away, you now have no right to complain if they cut away from Cup later in the season. That's the sort of behaviour you clearly want.

[Rapier Racer]

I didn't see any post race stuff :( Typical when my guy wins theres nothing shown.

[GARYGAZZA]

Mate,

you can get it here, we have had it for years, give them your address just use a false state to make the order system work.

Its well worth it.

Paul

Think i used Nascar main office in florida as the address.As you say it is well worth having.
Had to chuckle when Kieth Huewen thought Dale Jnr was ok about Smoke pushing him into his pitstall,I was listening to Jnrs radio via trackpass and the f word was sounding out quite a few times.

[blown50stang]

watching tonights race from Atlanta im going to say , what a terrible race coverage from a so called proffesional company like sky sports.

1) LATE COVERAGE , i know live sports run on sometimes, might your tv schedele be a little tight in order not to miss the start of a race .If you guys had the pre race coverage like you should of had , we would have only missed a bit of that but hey we dont even get that.

2)After badminton run on , whats with the comercial break for and sky tv, advertising ect , did you guys just want us to miss somemore.

3)Because you do no have any pre race (WHY) big racing news this week with Robby Gordon and Carl Edwards was hardly and very poorly explained and covered , no interviews ,no talk of the feud and issue with Jack Roush , Carl Edwards and Toyota for the article of cheating in the USA Today newspaper at Vegas last week .Thats what Nascar fans love is all the issues and gossip in the middle.How on earth do you expect new fans to get to see this .

4)NO POST RACE SHOW WHATSOEVER, who came where on this one , we know Kyle Busch won it but what about the other 42 guys, you didnt even show all of the run down of the positions and the points after the race in the race to the chase , No interviews , and a big thing happened today in Nascar incase it passed you guys by , no foreign manufacturer to the US has won in Nascar Sprint cup since 1954 , dont you think that it would have been justified to show the post race show as its a big event to Nascar and its fans.Crickets on at 10pm , so lets just ruin it for the Nascar fans becauses we cant over run the cricket can we like the badminton over run Nascar.

5) After the comercial breaks why did you keep missing some of the coverage and chat from Fox ,the only time i saw the humor of tonights show was when Keith the presenter said ,there is a car smoking on the apron . sorry keith thats a Chevy Silverado pick up spraying speedy dry to clear up Carl Edwards oil.Keith trys to learn and understand the sport and sometimes he seems really embarrassed by the response he gets when the big guys at sky mess it up for him.

I dont like being rude to you guys but hey sort it out , we have had 6 races covered by you guys ,but from a fans point of view when Nasn showed it , we got the Nationwide races , the sprint cup races and Nascar now show every day in the week , now you have it , we get three quarters of a spint cup race and Nothing more, i didnt get sky sports for anything else like many of us but we had no choice , seems like you only want the cream and nothing else to ruin you tv schedule. I said in a previous email if you didnt have time for it you shouldnt have got it.

PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND IT FROM A NASCAR FANS POINT OF VIEW


Given them six races and i couldnt take tonights coverage so i sent an other email to sky.
Dont see why they have a problem with the coverage its not some back street motorsport its got to be pretty close to f1 status , so give it the coverage it deserves.

[acorn]

just checked sunday's timings for the bristol race and they've only allocated 2 and 1/2 hours(22.30-01.00). seems a tad short for my liking. are we only going to see highlights on suday with a FULL race replay on monday? last years race had 15 cautions and lasted 3 and 1/4 hours.

[colinspooky]

There were some strange things said during Atlanta. Love the 'smoking car' bit when it was the truck clearing Carl's oil. Had to laugh out loud at that one.

Some other odds and ends were weird too ---- am I right in thinking actually NASCAR owns and allocates the car numbers to the teams, which is why Jr didn't take the 8 with him? Sure I read that somewhere, or was I dreaming it.

Also, thought the "four car change" was fun when it should have been "four tyre change".

And the reason they line up lap down cars on the inside on restarts is because of the Lucky Dog rule. Hmm, ok then.

Lots of others I can't remember now too. Didn't detract from the coverage, I find the gaffs quite amusing.

And let's not forget there are few fun cockup comments made by Jeff Hammond bless him as he fumbles with his words. And some of his 'safety' advice must rile many fans as they can be very basic too, but then they are aimed at the American newcomer to the sport, so swings and roundabout really.

Let's not forget, it's not easy sitting in front of the camera and making sense all the time.

[NASCAR8]

I hoped things would get better at Sky Sports, but things have got MUCH worse. All we can do as fans is email them every week untill they get something right.

[woody2goody]

Hi guys. When I move into my new house, I'm gonna probably use a freeview box. How would I go about getting Setanta/NASN and how much would it cost.

Also can someone tell me what other sports they show so I know whether or not it would be worth it?

Cheers.

[Speedworx]

just checked sunday's timings for the bristol race and they've only allocated 2 and 1/2 hours(22.30-01.00). seems a tad short for my liking. are we only going to see highlights on suday with a FULL race replay on monday? last years race had 15 cautions and lasted 3 and 1/4 hours.

Sky guide said Bristol was on at 10pm.

[gary_580]

just checked sunday's timings for the bristol race and they've only allocated 2 and 1/2 hours(22.30-01.00). seems a tad short for my liking. are we only going to see highlights on suday with a FULL race replay on monday? last years race had 15 cautions and lasted 3 and 1/4 hours.

and its recorded

[acorn]

Sky guide said Bristol was on at 10pm.

it may have done but the sky epg says 10:30pm-01:00am(repeated monday 07:30-10:00).

[ghostdancing]

Received an email back from Sky today.

Dear Sir

Thanks for your email regarding NASCAR

Unfortunately, when we take our live feed from the US it can prove increasing difficult to match their commercial breaks. As Fox had added an additional 3 breaks to their pattern that we were not expecting and then did not take their last break as planned. We were forced to go to break as soon as the winner crossed the line and the winner was announced. However, we did make sure that they were put into the re-edit the following day
This is not a normal occurrence which hopefully won't be repeated, however, I am sorry that this spoilt your enjoyment of the race.
With regard to the coverage of the Bristol race. We are showing NASCAR delayed highlights on Sun 16th- this is because we have live A1 GP taking place at the same time. Coverage will be approximately 2hours 30 minutes.
Thanks again for taking the time to contact us at Sky. We always welcome viewers comments and feedback.

Kind regards

[blown50stang]

Dont know about you guys but i feel we are worse off now than Setanta, sky must not be used to covering live sport from the states and did no homework before hand, showing Nascar live didnt last long , as soon as something else clashes lets just drop it .Wish i could get a dish to pick up Fox ect and i would tell these companys to stick it.

[Osella]

I didn't see any post race stuff :( Typical when my guy wins theres nothing shown.

In fairness to Sky I watched the race on Fox and they had about 5 mins of post-race..
Kyle was happy, still hates COT, Tony wasn't happy, still hates Goodyear, Edwards thought he could have won, bye.. So you didn't miss much!

[blown50stang]

bet you didnt miss the first half an hour of the race aswell ,it was cut straight after Kyle crossed the line and we didnt get to see who came after him.

[jeffmr2]

Lets be honest sky's coverage is an absolute disgrace.
Anybody else notice that NASN are showing the nationwide race at the same time sunday as sky are showing the delayed sprint cup highlights.
We really are getting screwed by both sports packages.

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

i cant believe the bristol race isnt on live!!!. Bristol races are some of the biggest events of the year.

[JovialJooles]

Who the hell watches A1 GP?

That series is a bigger pile of *@!" than bolting on 4 new Goodyears on your car at Atlanta! :p

[cgs]

Who the hell watches A1 GP?

That series is a bigger pile of *@!" than bolting on 4 new Goodyears on your car at Atlanta! :p

according to BARB, 67,000 people watched Live A1GP on 24th February, and was rated 7th most watched programme on Sky Sports 2 of that week.

[JovialJooles]

according to BARB, 67,000 people watched Live A1GP on 24th February, and was rated 7th most watched programme on Sky Sports 2 of that week.

Gosh. I take it the Paint Drying Channel was off air that weekend... :rolleyes:

[cgs]

i dont have figures for the California race because the website doesn't list ratings for Sky Sports Extra for some reason. i should be able to get ratings for any races shown on SS2 and SS3, but they take a few weeks to come through. if you wonder why this is, its because these are the final figures, not the overnight figures. they include anyone who may have recorded a programme and watched it later (within 7 days of its original broadcast)

[FeeWaybill]

Dont see why they have a problem with the coverage its not some back street motorsport its got to be pretty close to f1 status , so give it the coverage it deserves.

Your entire argument is flawed by that comment! Nascar has nowhere near the reach of F1 globally, get real please. And as for others comments about A1GP, unbelieveable! I am a Motorsports fan generally, and a recent convert to Nascar prompted by Sky's coverage. Having recently joined this forum its clear to see that many members are as narrowed minded as those who simply follow other specialised forms of Motor racing. I.E. Ours is the best, we have the best drivers, ours deserves more coverage than any other.
Work out the total hours Sky will give over to Nascar this year compared to other formula, and I think any detached view would say that Nascar is being given a fair crack of the whip. Sky is a SPORTS channel, not a Motor-Racing channel. It has made a fairly significant investment to bring people like me on board and it IS ONLY the volume of new fans that will dertermine whether or not the coverage remains. A small number of die-hard enthusiasts is NEVER going to support continued coverage, on Sky or any other channel.
Giving Sky constant abuse and a general hard time is not going to encourage them to stick with the coverage. Large viewing numbers will. Expect them to experiment with both the type and length of coverage this year.

[blown50stang]

Fee way bill , your missing the point mate, our argument isnt whats most popular in the Uk between the two motorsports , its we were told live races , also why did sky even bother to get the rights in the first place , they didnt do their homework and they have uneducated people commentating on the sport and by the looks of things they dont even have enough room to show it.Highlights of Bristol race is a p!!! take not much more than you get on channel 5 or us five , if they cant show it properly or at the very least as live when this happens then why the hell didnt they leave it well alone at Nasn.

[JovialJooles]

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[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

Fee way bill , your missing the point mate, our argument isnt whats most popular in the Uk between the two motorsports , its we were told live races , also why did sky even bother to get the rights in the first place , they didnt do their homework and they have uneducated people commentating on the sport and by the looks of things they dont even have enough room to show it.Highlights of Bristol race is a p!!! take not much more than you get on channel 5 or us five , if they cant show it properly or at the very least as live when this happens then why the hell didnt they leave it well alone at Nasn.

Since sky have lost a load of the footy now setanta have half the games, they have a load of cash to spend on other sports. if you look sky sports they have bought up lots of other sports recently.

[colinspooky]

Highlights only? Bristol? Are you sure? :eek:

[NASCAR8]

FreeWayBill, The fact is NASCAR fans got more coverage on NASN than on Sky. So why did Sky Sports out bid NASN if they were not serious about OUR sport?

[pwb]

FreeWayBill, The fact is NASCAR fans got more coverage on NASN than on Sky. So why did Sky Sports out bid NASN if they were not serious about OUR sport?

And NASN still shows more NASCAR coverage than Sky. Could not do without NASN.

[Speedworx]

Considering new Bristol is a big pile of ****.

Not having the race LIVE isn't a big loss. A1GP @ Mexico will be much better to watch.

[colinspooky]

Considering new Bristol is a big pile of ****.

Not having the race LIVE isn't a big loss. A1GP @ Mexico will be much better to watch.


Ouch - can't say I agree with you there

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

Considering new Bristol is a big pile of ****.

Not having the race LIVE isn't a big loss. A1GP @ Mexico will be much better to watch.

I think the problem at bristol last year was the tyre. same thing as atlanta this year just way too hard.

[gary_580]

FreeWayBill, The fact is NASCAR fans got more coverage on NASN than on Sky. So why did Sky Sports out bid NASN if they were not serious about OUR sport?

Do you know that NASN made a bid??

[racing69]

NASN can't be arsed to show the Nationwide series live anymore, nor can they be bothered to screen NASCAR Now (I guess because all NASCAR fans have pretty much cancelled).

Then we get SKY deciding not to show NASCAR live at Bristol. Not good enough.

[acorn]

i'll live with the "not live" showing for bristol. it's usually a crash fest and while that can be entertaining , sitting through the endless caution laps isn't.

a1gp season finishes soon (and the remaining races don't clash) so the rest of the nascar season should be shown live i would think.

[colinspooky]

a1gp season finishes soon (and the remaining races don't clash) so the rest of the nascar season should be shown live i would think.

Any clashes with the IRL/INDY/Champ/Whatever races?

[acorn]

going by the tvtime on their respective websites

only 1 direct clash- 6th april

other partial clashes where nascar starts first

27th april(3.5 hrs before irl)
1st june(1.5hrs before irl)
12th july(1.5hrs before irl)

possible but unlikely clash where irl starts first

22 june(2.5hrs)

where there are other race day DATE clashes the early event should be finished before the other starts and as NASCAR has a higher profile i would imagine it will take priority(they might even show them on different channels but somehow i think irl will be shown as highlights or "as live")

[cgs]

27th April:


MOTORING: Live NASCAR
On: Sky Sports 2 (512)
Date: Sunday 27th April 2008 (starting in 42 days)
Time: 19:00 to 23:00 (4 hours long)

An anytime alert is set for 15 minutes before the programme starts

(Dolby Stereo, Widescreen, Live)
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Marked By: 'Reminder: Live NASCAR' and 'Favourite: Live NASCAR' markers
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Copyright (c) GipsyMedia Limited.


MOTORING: Motor Racing: Indy Racing League
On: Sky Sports 2 (512)
Date: Sunday 27th April 2008 (starting in 42 days)
Time: 23:00 to 01:00 (2 hours long)

Indy Racing League - Kansas Speedway.

(Dolby Stereo)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~
Excerpt taken from DigiGuide - the world's best TV guide available from http://www.getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=39413

Copyright (c) GipsyMedia Limited.

[SOD]

Who the hell watches A1 GP?

That series is a bigger pile of *@!" than bolting on 4 new Goodyears on your car at Atlanta! :p


I do for one, the drivers get paid to race in that series.

[NASCAR8]

OK, So Sky Sports have let us down AGAIN. Do any of you guys know how we can see the Bristol race LIVE now Fox has gone from TVU?

[Rapier Racer]

It's not all bad there doesn't appear to be any input from the studio this week.

[cgs]

best coverage from Sky yet! no interuptions from unknowledgable arses in London!

[colinspooky]

best coverage from Sky yet! no interuptions from unknowledgable arses in London!

Have to say it wasn't that bad ---- felt odd skipping the ad breaks though - felt as I was missing something suddenly seeing the number of laps left dropping, but it would have been the same afect had I actually watched an ad break.

Weird - not sure I would like it this way all the time. But I think we saw all the laps that would have been broadcast live - just the breaks snipped out.

Can't really complain about that can we?

:confused:

[althepodracer]

OK, So Sky Sports have let us down AGAIN. Do any of you guys know how we can see the Bristol race LIVE now Fox has gone from TVU?

Cancelled my Sky Sports sub last night!

[colinspooky]

Cancelled my Sky Sports sub last night!

Yeah, that'll show 'em :rolleyes:

[Delenn]

Yeah, that'll show 'em :rolleyes:

Cancelling your subscription is the only way you can actually affect them. In the wallet. Sure, one does nothing, but if enough cancel, things can be changed. (I refer you to the NASN/ESPN issue in Dec 05 as an example).

[ghostdancing]

Didn't wait up last night to watch.
Let Sky+ record it, and watched it tonight.
Was difficult not to go into auto pilot and look at NASCAR.COM at lunch today, otherwise that would have ruined the result for me.

The show was longer than the advertised two n' half hours, so maybe a few emails from us to SKY Sports must have worked. Did seem odd missing the adverts, but overall I enjoyed the coverage. No inane comments from the UK studio team, just the US commentary all the way through, Darrell voice was quite amusing, strange not to hear him yelling every five minutes.

Anyways, back to live-feed in two weeks at the other half-miler.
Still glad it is on SKY, less recording hassle, better pic, better sound.

Ouch, thats a DNF in the pick em's. Childress Racing 1-2-3, where did that come from

[racing69]

If people don't watch it on sky, the coverage will get worse. Look at the effect everybody cancelling NASN had!!

[Aussie12]

Down Here I pay AUS$110 a month to watch NASCAR on Foxtel and I used to get all three series. Now a 'free-to-air' station has bought the rights to the Nationwide Series and is broadcasting it on a HD exclusive channel. I have to go out and get a AUS$200 HD tuner for my TV so I can watch (I can't bear to miss the road races) and I'm freakin' miffed about it!

[colinspooky]

It's only money and it's worth it for all the other things you can watch now
;)

[Aussie12]

Yeah, I know. I tried telling myself thatI didn't need to see the Nationwide races but that lasted about a week and a half.

[colinspooky]

saddens me to see the empty stands at Nationwide and Trucks - we really enjoyed those races when we went to Charlotte last year

[djparky]

saddens me to see the empty stands at Nationwide and Trucks - we really enjoyed those races when we went to Charlotte last year

especially as the Trucks can produce some really good racing- I've skipped the Trucks at Daytona the last couple of years but if I make it out there again next year I'll try and go to the Trucks as well

noticed the acres of empty stands at Atlanta for Nationwide and especially the Sprint cup series (although the cold weather may have had something to do with that)- added to an incredibly tedious race probably wouldn't have encouraged people to stick around either

on the subject of TV I'm getting rid of Setanta- it's unlikely I'll get to watch enough Nationwide races to make it worth keeping, and they've lost the BTCC as well so there's little point in paying £9 a month- and NASCAR Now seems to be on less as well

[acorn]

in this april's sky sports mag that has just arrived, for 27th april i have to make a choice.... watch live nascar at 7:00pm on ss2 or irl at 7:00pm on ss2. hang on a mo, that's the same time and channel i hear you say. perhaps we're going to get picture in picture or more like they've cocked up and as normal haven't proof read what they've written before printing it.

[ghostdancing]

in this april's sky sports mag that has just arrived, for 27th april i have to make a choice.... watch live nascar at 7:00pm on ss2 or irl at 7:00pm on ss2. hang on a mo, that's the same time and channel i hear you say. perhaps we're going to get picture in picture or more like they've cocked up and as normal haven't proof read what they've written before printing it.

I saw this too, hopefully with all the bandwidth you have with digital broadcasting, they will give us the red button for NASCAR and green button for IRL. Anyway, back to live on Sky, just keep our fingers crossed.

[racing69]

As we get into the season, hopefully the more people who watch the races Sky will give us priority. Sky only care about ratings, and for that reason will always go with the sport that brings in more viewers because it gives them more revenue.

[colinspooky]

Wheels has dropped off TVU again - so no truck race this weekend for us poor Brits

:rolleyes:


unless someone can do something about it

[jeffmr2]

Wheels has dropped off TVU again - so no truck race this weekend for us poor Brits

Damn thats a real shame.Thers been some great racing so far this year,especially when you are a Kyle Busch fan :)

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

Damn thats a real shame.Thers been some great racing so far this year,especially when you are a Kyle Busch fan :)


Not many of them to the pound :D

[Rapier Racer]

We'll have the last laugh at the end of the season though.

[colinspooky]

Wheels is back - Truck race tonight - perhaps
:D

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

We'll have the last laugh at the end of the season though.


Hate to say it but you could be right. He just cant afford to many races like last nights.

[GARYGAZZA]

Just checked that Nascar on sky sports 3 at 7pm bst .It is now shown on guide as being on Sky sports 1 and hd1.Glad I didnt go out as I had my v box set up to record on ss3.

[colinspooky]

Sky got the order right last weekend - Texas and then the rain delayed Indy car rather than the other way round

[gary_580]

The editing of the Nationwide race on NASN was hopeless why did they miss laps 6-19 and therefore miss Dario's accident

[JovialJooles]

Your thread title answers your question! ;)

[djparky]

yeah I know- I tried 6 times to speak to them a couple of weeks ago to cancel the subscription- got through to no-one at all in customer services (if it exists at all)- then I cancelled the direct debit knowing damn well it would provoke a response- sure enough I got a letter from them about it

I emailed them about 10 days ago to tell to cancel the service as I no longer used it- guess what- I still have NASN etc...so I'll email them again

on the other hand after a shaky start Sky's coverage just keeps getting better

[jeffmr2]

ALthough on times it was too long i still miss the pre race coverage,i just think theres no atmosphere in the London (?) studio but must agree sky race coverage is slowly getting better. This post reminds me i need to cancel my NASN subscription,i try to watch nationwide races online or by some other means nowadays.

[colinspooky]

The editing was crazed - surely must have been a technical problem. Bizarre in the extreme.

:eek:

[colinspooky]

good grief - NASN had baseball on instead of the Nationwide race - I got to see GSYE and then it cut off. Great.
Tossas.

:mad:


PS: I had recorded it using a V+ box and the programme menus. grrrrr

[jeffmr2]

How did you all find the Darlington coverage on sky last night? I thought it was the worse for quite sometime,the studio presenters liked the sound of their own voices too much and it seemed to me like they continued their own chat going when the fox broadcast was back on air.Also they cut away too soon from the victory burnouts and so much of our pre race show time was spent on Jeff Hammonds car of tomorrow/today review,like it hasnt been explained enough already. Nevertheless what a great win :)

[Rapier Racer]

A great win indeed!

Now what happened to Keith?! The man wida big nose we can't have this program with a different host ever few months.

[GARYGAZZA]

A great win indeed!

Now what happened to Keith?! The man wida big nose we can't have this program with a different host ever few months.

Kieth was covering live gp speedway from Poland on saturday evening for sky sports

[earnhardt8]

How did you all find the Darlington coverage on sky last night? I thought it was the worse for quite sometime,the studio presenters liked the sound of their own voices too much and it seemed to me like they continued their own chat going when the fox broadcast was back on air.Also they cut away too soon from the victory burnouts and so much of our pre race show time was spent on Jeff Hammonds car of tomorrow/today review,like it hasnt been explained enough already. Nevertheless what a great win :)


Still got bad taste then Jeff!!!

I find the whole commentary thing somewhat irritating...i couldnt believe it a couple of weeks ago when Keith said there's no longer a National Guard car racing.. he must be the only person on the planet to have not seen Junior's car!!.

I miss the pre-race show but at least we get to see the race.

[colinspooky]

I had to miss it live, but never mind - I clicked the listing on my V+ box and MISSED THE LAST 15 LAPS ---- WTF !!!! :eek:

Anyone know of a setting I can use to cover unexpected extensions to programmes.

I caught the race end on a highlights show, but even so. Really frustrating.



PS: It is written Tuckman, so is it pronounced Tuck or Took-man as Keith says it. If it was me and one of the studio hosts got my name wrong, surely I would quietly suggest the real pronunciation while off air.

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

I had to miss it live, but never mind - I clicked the listing on my V+ box and MISSED THE LAST 15 LAPS ---- WTF !!!! :eek:

Anyone know of a setting I can use to cover unexpected extensions to programmes.

I caught the race end on a highlights show, but even so. Really frustrating.



PS: It is written Tuckman, so is it pronounced Tuck or Took-man as Keith says it. If it was me and one of the studio hosts got my name wrong, surely I would quietly suggest the real pronunciation while off air.

i always set the program after to record as well, just in case.

[BobGarage]

Anyone know of a setting I can use to cover unexpected extensions to programmes.

I don't know about V+ but with Sky+ you can manually set it to record a chanel between times x and Y instead of relying on the EPG. I always do this for sporting events that are likely to run over. It is a pain to find on sky+ but when you do its worth it.

I expect there is a similar (difficult to find way of doing it with v+ too.

[Simmi]

At the start of the season I never envisioned people calling for Keith to return to the show.

It was true they didnt cut back to the US feed quite as well the other night. It was annoying when they were there trying to work out what the problem was with the 18 when all they had to was go back to the FOX guys.

[inimitablestoo]

Somehow I think I'll stick with Five/Five US, as an hour (give or take) of guaranteed highlights seems to be better than heads-it's-on, tails-it-isn't on the stallactites... :s

By the way, I am loving the new "somebody's just overtaken" element of the leaderboard ticker as introduced last week. I notice they didn't try it out at Talladega... :D

[GARYGAZZA]

I had to miss it live, but never mind - I clicked the listing on my V+ box and MISSED THE LAST 15 LAPS ---- WTF !!!! :eek:

Anyone know of a setting I can use to cover unexpected extensions to programmes.

I caught the race end on a highlights show, but even so. Really frustrating.



PS: It is written Tuckman, so is it pronounced Tuck or Took-man as Keith says it. If it was me and one of the studio hosts got my name wrong, surely I would quietly suggest the real pronunciation while off air.

I set the next couple of programs after nascar just in case of delays.Or you could set a manual record to start and finish when you wish.

[jeffmr2]

Still got bad taste then Jeff!!!

Says the Jeff Gordon fan!! Oooh and what about Barry being a jr fan,it doesnt get worse than that ha ha ha.How many races has he gone without winning lol!!Ok being honest i think jr is doing a great job,once he sacks his cousin the wins will surely come.

Ive also started liking Carl Edwards despite his driving for that really irritating Jack Roush so maybe your right about my taste in drivers!!

I agree with you about the sky coverage,we need the pre race show.

How you coping without the v8's at rockingham?It already seems like a distant memory,such a shame.

[earnhardt8]

Says the Jeff Gordon fan!! Oooh and what about Barry being a jr fan,it doesnt get worse than that ha ha ha.How many races has he gone without winning lol!!Ok being honest i think jr is doing a great job,once he sacks his cousin the wins will surely come.

Ive also started liking Carl Edwards despite his driving for that really irritating Jack Roush so maybe your right about my taste in drivers!!

I agree with you about the sky coverage,we need the pre race show.

How you coping without the v8's at rockingham?It already seems like a distant memory,such a shame.

Connor is also now a die-hard Junior fan!!! I like Montoya, Franchitti & Harvick too!! (yep i have bad taste!!!)

We went to the Touring Cars at Rockingham and will maybe take Connor to see a Pick-up's race as he loves trucks, but other than that i cant see us visiting Rockingham again.. Havent really missed it we lost interest when the car numbers dwindled .

[colinspooky]

What on earth are those god-awful sound effects Sky is using when they are chatting in the UK studio while screening pictures of the race during US ad breaks?
Sound like some old stock cars (bangers) from Arena Essex.
Surely they have recorded enough real NASCAR engine sounds by now - unless it's some sort of dumb copyright thing.
Silence would be better :eek:

[JovialJooles]

It's not the sound effects that are bothering me. It's the God Awful Kyle Petty.

Jeez, silence would be better than him prattling on. Is he actually bringing anything to the table? Apart from experience of running at the back? :o hplease:

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

It's not the sound effects that are bothering me. It's the God Awful Kyle Petty.

Jeez, silence would be better than him prattling on. Is he actually bringing anything to the table? Apart from experience of running at the back? :o hplease:


At least Kyle can string a sentence together. Ive heard five year olds with greater grasp of the english language than Rusty Wallace. Great guy, great driver, terrible commentator.

[colinspooky]

I like both

[inimitablestoo]

The terrestrial perspective, once again:

With Five US' Monday evening showing sidelined because they're showing some freakishly tall people throwing balls in fishing nets on a pole (seems pointless as the nets have a big hole in the bottom; perhaps it's just me) I was stuck with the overnight Five showing instead. Not a lot different but you do get Diana Binks waffling on instead of the kick-ass, I mean kick-arse, theme tune. Now Diana knows her stuff, as her F3/GT experience shows, but she gets handed some right tosh to say at this time of night. Mispronouncing Pocono is one thing (I also got it wrong for years) but last year's race was apparently won by Kyle Busch Jr... That'll be Kurt then, who of course is the older of the brothers... :rolleyes:

[Simmi]

I was just wondering how long NASN has been showing the Nationwide races live for this year? As far as I know they weren't doing at the start of the season. I finally crumbled and subscribed to Setanta because their football package is so strong for this season, but live NNS is the icing on the cake. Do they tend to show the pre-race stuff?

[colinspooky]

but live NNS is the icing on the cake. Do they tend to show the pre-race stuff?


As far as I know, there is no live broadcast - repeat on Monday afternoons - and no pre-race show that I have seen. Sometimes, my V+ box misses it because they have baseball on despite the EPG showing NASCAR, so I record a few hours afterwards too just in case they cock it up yet again - they have done at least twice so far, or someone has screwed it up ---- NASN or Virgin, someone.

Anyway, nothing live.
:rolleyes:

[blown50stang]

skys still rubbish , still fed up with them , idiots.Rubbish attempt at post race interviews , boring commentry from sky studio and why cant they just go back to the states tv network after the break , think they like their voices to much .
IN A NUTSHELL SKY . JUST STICK TO SOCCER AND LEAVE NASCAR TO FOX ,TNT AND ESPN.DONT TRY TO MAKE IT YOUR OWN PLEASE

[pentti]

As far as I know, there is no live broadcast - repeat on Monday afternoons - and no pre-race show that I have seen. Sometimes, my V+ box misses it because they have baseball on despite the EPG showing NASCAR, so I record a few hours afterwards too just in case they cock it up yet again - they have done at least twice so far, or someone has screwed it up ---- NASN or Virgin, someone.

Anyway, nothing live.
:rolleyes:
NASN has shown recently many Nationwide races live including some pre shows.Excellent.And even if there is rain delay they still stay on Nascar.Next one is next saturday night 2.00. 3 and half hours live + NASN show at least 4 magazine type programes(latest news, interviews and panel) every week. This all just ten pounds a month(one pound 43pence a programe)

[pentti]

skys still rubbish , still fed up with them , idiots.Rubbish attempt at post race interviews , boring commentry from sky studio and why cant they just go back to the states tv network after the break , think they like their voices to much .
IN A NUTSHELL SKY . JUST STICK TO SOCCER AND LEAVE NASCAR TO FOX ,TNT AND ESPN.DONT TRY TO MAKE IT YOUR OWN PLEASESky commentary comes only then americans are having add breaks.So you miss nothing from USA. I know quite a lot of Nascar and in my humble view Sky commentary is quite good as long they keep that Robin guy away. We used to have pre shows in NASN but not in Sky,which is pity. Anyhow now with Sky and NASN we never have had it so good before.

[djparky]

skys still rubbish , still fed up with them , idiots.Rubbish attempt at post race interviews , boring commentry from sky studio and why cant they just go back to the states tv network after the break , think they like their voices to much .
IN A NUTSHELL SKY . JUST STICK TO SOCCER AND LEAVE NASCAR TO FOX ,TNT AND ESPN.DONT TRY TO MAKE IT YOUR OWN PLEASE

Sky's coverage is perfectly fine- the studio stuff happens during one of the many many ad breaks at the US end and the UK team are doing a damn fine job at providing additional info to viewers new to NASCAR

and to put it bluntly without the Sky deal we wouldn't have any live Sprint Cup coverage this year so moan away if you like but the alternative is not having live race coverage at all or spending 5 hours in front of the PC watching over the web- and if you think you can do a better job contact Sky Sports and volunteer your services

[Delenn]

and to put it bluntly without the Sky deal we wouldn't have any live Sprint Cup coverage this year
Actually, you are wrong. It would have been on NASN, where it would be unspoilt (ie no Sky blokes).


so moan away if you like but the alternative is not having live race coverage at all or spending 5 hours in front of the PC watching over the web- and if you think you can do a better job contact Sky Sports and volunteer your services


PM me the application form. I can do a better job.

[jeffmr2]

Also theres the cost issue.Lets face it theres bugger all worth watching on the sky entertainment packages,if it wasnt for sprint cup i wouldnt have any sky subscription.So its costing me £34 per month instead of £13 per month.
The plus side of sky is when it rains my skybox doesnt freeze as often on sky sports as it does on NASN.

[Rapier Racer]

Actually, you are wrong. It would have been on NASN, where it would be unspoilt (ie no Sky blokes).

Wow your so right! I mean the worst thing NASN ever did was basically say screw you when the race was rain delayed, you got no coverage and no replay. Of course thats nothing compared to the atrocities we have to put up with over at sky...

[colinspooky]

Weird - lot of resentment seems to have boiled up again, which is a shame. I rather like the Sky coverage, in that I get to see the races. Yes, the London guys know little, but at least we don;'t have to watch them in the studio anymore during the US ad breaks, which really was crazy.

And on NASN - yes, I see this weekend may have had a live race - not watched it yet, but it has been recorded on the V+ So that's double goodness in my humble.

:D

[Andrewmcm]

I enjoy the Sky Coverage - the presenters, whilst perhaps not the most knowledgeable, seem keen to learn and they do a good job in filling in the gaps when the Americans are on their ad breaks. I feel like I'm learning about NASCAR with them as I only started watching this year when they won the TV rights.

For what is essentially a Football and Darts network Sky do a good job with motorsport - there are a few replays in the days following a race if you were unlucky enough to miss the live event and I think that they're a safe bet to show a race that has been rain delayed.

Nothing to complain about from my perspective!

[colinspooky]

There isn't much to really, really complain about on Sky.

BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NASN did it again - I recorded the Gateway race on V+ and lost the last four laps. I know someone here suggested I recorded the show right after, but this was on 'record series' and like a dope forgot to check when it was breing broadcaast, but even so - four laps.

BUT BUT BUT ---- the highlight show missed the last 24 laps !!!! TWENTY FOUR LAPS MISSING FROM A HIGHLIGHT SHOW. Went straught on to something from Petty Enterprises, showing one of the pundits round the facility.

PLUS, who at whoever made the show thought about sending that towering guy (sorry, can't remember his name) out to chat to The King, who is three feet tall (who knew?) The tall guy couldn't even had to duck to get through doors.

Anyway, bad dog NASN.

:eek:

[blown50stang]

Who finished where , know jj won , cousin carl 2nd and Hamlin 3rd who came in what order after that , what did Carl and Denny say in post race interviews , whos still in the chase.Dont care what any one thinks , its wrong sky should show this after each race end of story .If you follow Nascar like some of us do and didnt just get it this year do you all miss the pranks and antics of the pre and post race shows.Nascar .com is a life saver.

[Simmi]

Looks like NASN's run of Live races has come to an end, for the time being at least. Their priority is Baseball which is understanable so the next two races are 'As Live' and will probably suffer should the MLB games overrun.

Bit annoying but I will watch Montreal online and hide from the Watkins Glen results and watch the later run. Hopefully once the baseball season is over NASN will go back to showing Live races.

[Copse]

Bit annoying but I will watch Montreal online and hide from the Watkins Glen results and watch the later run. Hopefully once the baseball season is over NASN will go back to showing Live races.

College football season is about to start, though. But that's on Saturdays, so maybe it won't regularly clash...

[Simmi]

College football season is about to start, though. But that's on Saturdays, so maybe it won't regularly clash...

If its on Saturdays then that means it probably will clash about 75% of the time unfortunately. At least for the most part it is streamed on Nascar.com

[colinspooky]

well it happened again - the V+ recording of the rain delayed Pocono race missed the last 18 laps - grrrrr ---- :mad: :confused:

Surely it is not beyong the realms of man to send a signal with the broadcast telling the machine when the show has ended rather than it simply guessing.

[Rapier Racer]

I'm not so sure how Virgin works but if they have an EPG which I'll assume they do they could extend the programs scheduled finish time maybe? I've noticed sky do this.

[colinspooky]

I'm not so sure how Virgin works but if they have an EPG which I'll assume they do they could extend the programs scheduled finish time maybe? I've noticed sky do this.


They do, and you'd think....................... :rolleyes:

[gary_580]

well it happened again - the V+ recording of the rain delayed Pocono race missed the last 18 laps - grrrrr ---- :mad: :confused:

Surely it is not beyong the realms of man to send a signal with the broadcast telling the machine when the show has ended rather than it simply guessing.

and they were the best laps. Luckily i was at the track ;)

Mind you my V+ didnt even record the race, hae the series link set up for all sky sport channels and th missed this race and Watkins Glen whilst i was away

[gary_580]

Anyone know if the Richmond race is going to be on Sky live now that its delayed?

[djparky]

Anyone know if the Richmond race is going to be on Sky live now that its delayed?

oh I wondered what had happened to it- couldn't find it anywhere in the Sky schedules- looks like it will be on after the IndyCar race tomorrow night

[Maccoll]

Hello folks, I'm never on here but was pulling my hair out trying to figure out the coverage of both races(Nationwide and Sprint) On the Sky box listings the Sprint race is at 11pm after the Indycar but it seems to end at 12.30 which hopefully is wrong otherwise I will be angry(again).

The Nationwide race is on at 11.30pm so there's a bloody clash so I'm angry anyway. My faith in Sky and Setanta ended a long time ago. What sums it up for me is that there is nothing on the Sky site about Nascar but they have an F1 section. Anyway I'm about to become a mature student so I won't be able to afford Sky sports which is a rip off and might even just jack the lot in because I'm always playing the detective following the sport I love :(

It's never been the same since we didn't have a pre-race show for sprint. Paying all that money to get all that football,cricket, WWE,A1 GP, and I just want to see Nascar with a bit of Indycar(seasons finishing to!) Sorry I could go on but it's late and I'm probably being irrational.I don't think I am though.

[Andrewmcm]

Sky have been quite good so far this year with their coverage I think. A rain delay for this race is quite unfortunate as this weekend sees a lot of live sport on Sky - US Open tennis, Indycar title decider, NFL, Golf, Rugby and so on, thus making a live showing of the re-scheduled race that much more difficult. Maybe it will get shown live, who knows?

NASCAR is a niche sport in the UK so it's no surprise if it drops to the back of the queue when there are conflicting sports. Given that so few people are seemingly watching NASCAR on Sky I'm surprised that we get full live races in the first place.

[djparky]

Hello folks, I'm never on here but was pulling my hair out trying to figure out the coverage of both races(Nationwide and Sprint) On the Sky box listings the Sprint race is at 11pm after the Indycar but it seems to end at 12.30 which hopefully is wrong otherwise I will be angry(again).

The Nationwide race is on at 11.30pm so there's a bloody clash so I'm angry anyway. My faith in Sky and Setanta ended a long time ago. What sums it up for me is that there is nothing on the Sky site about Nascar but they have an F1 section. Anyway I'm about to become a mature student so I won't be able to afford Sky sports which is a rip off and might even just jack the lot in because I'm always playing the detective following the sport I love :(

It's never been the same since we didn't have a pre-race show for sprint. Paying all that money to get all that football,cricket, WWE,A1 GP, and I just want to see Nascar with a bit of Indycar(seasons finishing to!) Sorry I could go on but it's late and I'm probably being irrational.I don't think I am though.

I think you're being a bit harsh on Sky- even though it doesn't draw in huge audience figures they've stuck with it- even the infamous 5 hour rain delay from Fontana- they stayed with it as long as they could- I think they're coverage has been better than Setanta- who if you recall chopped race coverage at midnight regardless of whether it had finished or not

there is alot of live sport on tonight- the finale of the IndyCar series, US Open Tennis etc- and on Sky Text there is usually a NASCAR page

[Simmi]

They do have channel space to show both tonight, but I am assuming its the same team that cover both Indycar and the NASCAR so you can see their predicament. Its the IRL season finale so I dont blame Sky in this case, I dont think anyone can blame them for prioritising, especially when you factor in where the British drivers are.

Hopefully there will be a decent stream on TVU, but kudos to NASN for re-scheduling and showing what looks like the whole live Nationwide race just after midnight.

[jeffmr2]

Of course it is difficult for sky but why not show the full race on time delay as live not just 1 1/2 hr show? I cant see a full repeat yet either,hopefully there will be one.
Cant fault NASN at all over their rescheduling,i still wish they had rights to cover sprint cup but as long as someone is showing it i wont moan too much!!

[colinspooky]

The EPG on Virgin never seems to get updated - they throw stuff at it that often doesn't actually correspond to what is on screen which is annoying.

Is it really that hard to update? I switched on to Motorsports and found myself watching Chile Vs Brazil World Cup qualifier - good match, but not quite what I was expecting.

Sky and Virgin are bitter rivals, but surely the programme guide should not be completely ignored by both.

I recorded half the Richmond race by accident - imagine my delight at finding it was only fricking half of it............... :mad:

[blown50stang]

i was lucky enough to go to the states on honeymoon , just got back after going to the richmond and loudon races great atmosphere , the biff won at loudon which made it even better.Another good thing i didnt have to put up with sky sports , they seem to have gone the same way as setanta , do any of you know if we can get the pre race on abc on the internet any where . cheers.