Winter tests 2007/08...

[pino]

Here are the best times from yesterday (Barcellona) :

1. M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari 1m21.922s

2. BADOER Ferrari 1m22.129s

3. DE LA ROSA McLaren 1m22.687s

4. KOVALAINEN Renault 1m22.802s

5. KUBICA BMW 1m22.883s

6. PAFFETT McLaren 1m23.008s

7. NAKAJIMA Williams 1m23.187s

8. COULTHARD Red Bull 1m23.332s

9. TRULLI Toyota 1m23.624s

10. HEIDFELD BMW 1m23.671s

11. ROSBERG Williams 1m23.847s

12. MONTAGNY Toyota 1m23.861s

13. VETTEL Toro Rosso 1m24.048s

14. ZUBER Super Aguri 1m24.065s

15. BOURDAIS Toro Rosso 1m24.193s

16. DAVIDSON Super Aguri 1m24.246s

17. ROSSITER Honda 1m24.480s

18. CHANDHOK Red Bull 1m24.896s

19. VAN DER GARDE Force India 1m25.317s

20. RODRIGUEZ Force India 1m26.973s

Others drivers will test today, among them Liuzzi (Force India) Filippi (Honda), can't wait to see how they will perform :D

[passmeatissue]

There is some live/frequently updated info on the testing, on a Spanish site:

You can get a translated version at http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motor21.com%2Fnoticia .asp%3Fdt%3D315%26nt%3D34718&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

(you'll need to reload the page to update it)

or brush up your Spanish at http://www.motor21.com/noticia.asp?dt=315&nt=34718

[passmeatissue]

Also in Dutch at http://www.f1today.nl/liveupdate.php?liveupdateID=20

more up-to-date by a few minutes. Tomorrow's will end in "ID=21".

You can get it translated at http://babelfish.altavista.com/

[555-04Q2]

Who were the people that said Schumi has lost his touch :?: P1 !!!

[pino]

Who were the people that said Schumi has lost his touch :?: P1 !!!

Please let's keep Schumi off here, and talk about other Drivers/Team...

Thanks :)

[ioan]

Interesting view of the non TC cars:



Badoer reckons rookie drivers will now face a bigger challenge when trying to take the car to its limits.

"The F1 cars had become too easy: if a new guy came in and did some good laptimes, a star was born," Badoer told Gazzetta dello Sport. "Now, by contrast, they are harder, so more enjoyable: you need sensitivity and capability in managing the throttle.

"Of course, by the end of winter we'll lap on the same times as this year, but we'll see the difference between who is truly good and the rest."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63927

[ioan]

Please let's keep Schumi off here, and talk about other Drivers/Team...

Thanks :)

BooHooooo!

How do you plan to enforce that when he's setting the pace in testing at the moment in the "Winter tests 2007/08" :?: :p :

[ArrowsFA1]

Interesting view of the non TC cars:
Do we know who is running with/without TC?

[pino]

BooHooooo!

How do you plan to enforce that when he's setting the pace in testing at the moment in the "Winter tests 2007/08" :?: :p :

ioan, I won't allow to talk (and fight) about him in 2 different threads, so it's up to you guys ;)

[passmeatissue]

Do we know who is running with/without TC?

Looks like Massa was running without :D

(went off on lap1 and has stayed off so far)

[ioan]

ioan, I won't allow to talk (and fight) about him in 2 different threads, so it's up to you guys ;)

No offense pino but why aren't the 2 threads merged by now?
This way you wouldn't have to make comments like the one above, which has a bit of a bizarre sound to it.
Just my 2 cents.

[ioan]

Do we know who is running with/without TC?

I suppose everyone is doing it. Otherwise how could they compare things???
They aren't going to compare Nakajima with TC to Rosberg without TC as it would have no relevance due to different driving styles and setups.

They all had to run with and without TC at least yesterday in order to get an idea about what's different, than they can start working on the car in an attempt to make it as fast as possible without TC.

As simple as that.

[pino]

No offense pino but why aren't the 2 threads merged by now?
This way you wouldn't have to make comments like the one above, which has a bit of a bizarre sound to it.
Just my 2 cents.

It's better to have one about MS, for those who wants to "discuss" him and his performance, and another one for those who wants to stay off there and talk about other drivers/team :)

[passmeatissue]

It's better to have one about MS, for those who wants to "discuss" him and his performance, and another one for those who wants to stay off there and talk about other drivers/team :)

I agree. We can still have a rational discussion of the testing, and the MS fanboy/hateboy circus, but not mixed in together. Good call.

[ioan]

It's better to have one about MS, for those who wants to "discuss" him and his performance, and another one for those who wants to stay off there and talk about other drivers/team :)

I find this completely absurd and discriminating.
How much before mods will decide the list of words we might use in each threads?!

[SGWilko]

I find this completely absurd and discriminating.
How much before mods will decide the list of words we might use in each threads?!

Mod Appeasment measure v1.1. Hereonin, Michael Schumacher shall be reffered to as the 'German Racer and Former Ferrari Teamster' or GRAFFT for short.

It is a little PC to expect a thread, about the 2007/2008 Winter tests, expecting us to just ignore a particular participant.

Or am I missing something.

NB - I am by no means a Mich, oops GRAFFT fan.

[Roamy]

hey ioan **** this guy - he probably has a cheater motor in the car to make himself look good - he is no longer a part of the show except some promotional bullsh!t from Ferrari who probably got paid a fortune for putting a cheater motor in the car to boost him on top!!

[SGWilko]

**** this guy -

I am sure he has a wife for that kind of thing..... ;)

[petrolhead ben]

Does anyone on here think it's a real possibility that Micheal could drive in f1 again? I personally would be surprised but on the other hand you just never know with him do you. Also is there any way of knowing who's using TC and who's not?

[petrolhead ben]

Sorry Pino, didn't mean to start the shumi debate off again. I was so busy posting the message that I momentarily forgot what you had written about not mentioning shumi on this thread. Please accept my apology.

[dime3]

Its just been over 3 weeks and I missed it so much!!! :D

[pino]

Todays times :

1. Michael Schumacher (Ferrari) 1'21.489 (90 giri)
2. Pedro de la Rosa (McLaren Mercedes) 1'21.857 (60)
3. Heikki Kovalainen (Renault) 1'21.894 (65)
4. Felipe Massa (Ferrari) 1'22.044 (56)
5. Gary Paffett (McLaren Mercedes) 1'22.293 (57)
6. Nico Rosberg (Williams) 1'22.333 (64)
7. David Coulthard (Red Bull Racing) 1'22.555 (74)
8. Nick Heidfeld (BMW Sauber) 1'22.946 (102)
9. Kazuki Nakajima Williams 1'23.021 (78)
10. Sebastian Vettel (Toro Rosso) 1'23.187 (74)
11. Karun Chandhok (Red Bull Racing) 1'23.255 (57)
12. Jenson Button (Honda) 1'23.358 (79)
13. Jarno Trulli (Toyota) 1'23.465 (54)
14. Robert Kubica (BMW Sauber) 1'23.488 (37)
15. Anthony Davidson (Super Aguri) 1'23.547 (80)
16. Sebastien Bourdais (Toro Rosso) 1'23.596 (74)
17. Luca Filippi (Honda) 1'23.753 (72)
18. Franck Montagny (Toyota) 1'23.977 (45)
19. Christian Klien (Force India) 1'24.446 (56)
20. Adrian Sutil (Force India) 1'24.537 (105)
21. Tonio Liuzzi (Force India) 1'24.555 (55)

[Garry Walker]

Today Badoer has crashed and Massa has had a technical problem already :(

[ioan]

Luckily they had MS for the first 2 days to do the work. :D

[Andy65]

Looking at the testing times from yesterday Schumachers times don't look so quick afterall, well atleast not for a superhero :)

[ioan]

Looking at the testing times from yesterday Schumachers times don't look so quick afterall, well atleast not for a superhero :)

Take a look at the times and you'll see that yesterday generally times improved by a good margin ( 0.5 to 1.0 seconds).
As I doubt that everyone made such a huge technical step in a few hours I would rather say that track conditions were better and thus everyone posted better times.

What is however worth mentioning is that Ferrari were up front every day! :D

[Dzeidzei]

What is however worth mentioning is that Ferrari were up front every day! :D

Yes, and they didnt even need their number one driver for that :)

[Valve Bounce]

Please let's keep Schumi off here, and talk about other Drivers/Team...

Thanks :)

I fully agree. In fact, I think I will start a new threda where we can discuss his latest efforts. That's if it's ok with everyone.

[ioan]

All the teams will test slick tires at the upcoming test at Jerez on 4-7 December.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64080

Maybe we get slicks for the 2009 season.

[F1boat]

wow, this is a surprise.

[ioan]

In fact the FIA wanted slicks back for 2008, but for some reason (I bet it was the teams) it had to be delayed.

[Tazio]

It's about freakin' time!

[ShiftingGears]

Yeah! Only took them 10 years to find out that grooves are awful :p :

I really hope this leads to slicks in 2009 or earlier.

[ArrowsFA1]

All the teams will test slick tires at the upcoming test at Jerez on 4-7 December.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64080.
Marvellous :) :D :cool: :s mokin:

Let's see what difference they make.

[passmeatissue]

Marvellous :) :D :s mokin:

Let's see what difference they make.

Yes!! This presumably also means that the "overtaking" lower downforce aero rules will come in, in one form or another, otherwise the cars will be too fast. :)

(If they simply used a hard compound that would disadvantage the Ferraris, so that is not an option... :D )

2009 is shaping up nicely, already! All this and Kimi vs Fernando...

[ioan]

(If they simply used a hard compound that would disadvantage the Ferraris, so that is not an option... :D )

:mad:

[ClarkFan]

Who were the people that said Schumi has lost his touch :?: P1 !!!

Yeah, that kid is pretty good. Someone should get him a race seat!

;)

ClarkFan

[ClarkFan]

Yeah! Only took them 10 years to find out that grooves are awful :p :

I really hope this leads to slicks in 2009 or earlier.

It would be nice to see them working with wider front and rear tracks, too (the other half of the 1998 changes). Restore more mechanical grip and feel to the cars => more "hero moves" in races.

ClarkFan

[pino]

Heidfeld and Button quickest :

Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (B) 1:19.042 73
2. Button Honda (B) 1:19.155 65
3. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:19.712 48
4. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:20.083 73
5. Piquet Renault (B) 1:20.366 66
6. Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:20.615 97
7. Paffett McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:20.638 50
8. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:20.682 65
9. Gene Ferrari (B) 1:20.832 67
10. Conway Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:20.927 87
11. Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:21.086 45
12. Rossiter Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:21.246 71
13. Glock Toyota (B) 1:21.336 69
14. Fisichella Force India-Ferrari (B) 1:21.424 41
15. Hulkenberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:21.556 28
16. Montagny Force India-Ferrari (B) 1:21.559 65
17. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) 1:21.586 33
18. Asmer BMW-Sauber (B) 1:21.962 57
19. Kobayashi Toyota (B) 1:22.186 111
20. Villa BMW-Sauber (B) 1:23.583 53

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64265

[I am evil Homer]

Montagny and Fisi pretty close although Franck did more laps.

[samehere]

Here are the best times from yesterday (Barcellona) :

1. M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari 1m21.922s

2. BADOER Ferrari 1m22.129s

3. DE LA ROSA McLaren 1m22.687s

4. KOVALAINEN Renault 1m22.802s

5. KUBICA BMW 1m22.883s

6. PAFFETT McLaren 1m23.008s

7. NAKAJIMA Williams 1m23.187s

8. COULTHARD Red Bull 1m23.332s

9. TRULLI Toyota 1m23.624s

10. HEIDFELD BMW 1m23.671s

11. ROSBERG Williams 1m23.847s

12. MONTAGNY Toyota 1m23.861s

13. VETTEL Toro Rosso 1m24.048s

14. ZUBER Super Aguri 1m24.065s

15. BOURDAIS Toro Rosso 1m24.193s

16. DAVIDSON Super Aguri 1m24.246s

17. ROSSITER Honda 1m24.480s

18. CHANDHOK Red Bull 1m24.896s

19. VAN DER GARDE Force India 1m25.317s

20. RODRIGUEZ Force India 1m26.973s

Others drivers will test today, among them Liuzzi (Force India) Filippi (Honda), can't wait to see how they will perform :D

according to this micheal could be still fast enough :-) maybe in mclaren :-)

[jens]

Although I'm afraid most of you don't care at all, then for me and for all the Estonians the Jerez tests are very important as after 4 years Marko Asmer has again got a chance to test an F1-car (and this time without speed-limiter!).

It's basically "all or nothing" for Marko. He is under enormous pressure, knowing fully well that due to limited funds the chances for next year are fairly limited. He hasn't got the money to compete in GP2 (even some other drivers from this year's British F3 have tested GP2 cars in November, Marko hasn't), he has a chance to get to DTM, but that would basically destroy all the F1-hopes. BMW test drive or nothing? Asmer performed well against his straight rival Villa yesterday, especially considering that he has never driven on that particular circuit before.

For a small nation it's really hard to make it into F1. The chances of accomplishing the dream and getting to F1 have always been hard for Asmer, but at the moment it looks more probable than ever before. According to an agreement, BMW will announce whether they hire Marko as their test driver or not, before December 15. Not much time left and we here are all hoping for those front-page news. :)

[passmeatissue]

Although I'm afraid most of you don't care at all, then for me and for all the Estonians the Jerez tests are very important as after 4 years Marko Asmer has again got a chance to test an F1-car (and this time without speed-limiter!).

It's basically "all or nothing" for Marko. He is under enormous pressure, knowing fully well that due to limited funds the chances for next year are fairly limited. He hasn't got the money to compete in GP2 (even some other drivers from this year's British F3 have tested GP2 cars in November, Marko hasn't), he has a chance to get to DTM, but that would basically destroy all the F1-hopes. BMW test drive or nothing? Asmer performed well against his straight rival Villa yesterday, especially considering that he has never driven on that particular circuit before.

For a small nation it's really hard to make it into F1. The chances of accomplishing the dream and getting to F1 have always been hard for Asmer, but at the moment it looks more probable than ever before. According to an agreement, BMW will announce whether they hire Marko as their test driver or not, before December 15. Not much time left and we here are all hoping for those front-page news. :)

Good luck to him, every extra nation is a good thing. Great shame Markko Martin wasn't able to stay in WRC, so hopefully Asmer can do well in F1.

[passmeatissue]

Test times at 14:53 local time Thursday
Some are on slicks/Monza aero, and some not (no idea which, sorry).
Note Massa and Ralf's positions...

CoureurTeamChassisLaptimeDifferenceLaps
1Felipe massFerrariF20071:19.463
02Michael SchumacherFerrariF20071:19.885+ 0,422
03Robert KubicaBMW SauberF1.071:20.031+ 0,568
04Nick HeidfeldBMW SauberF1.071:20.125+ 0,662
05Mark of WebberSave Bull RacingRB31:20.149+ 0,686
06Lewis hamiltonMcLarenMP4-221:20.273+ 0,810
07Sebastian VettelToro RossoSTR21:20.366+ 0,903
08Nelson Piquet Jr.RenaultR271:20.716+ 1,253
09Pedro the drawer RosaMcLarenMP4-221:20.796+ 1,3330
10Kazuki NakajimaWilliamsFW291:20.846+ 1,3830
11Rubens BarrichelloHondaRA1071:20.977+ 1,5140
12David CoulthardSave Bull RacingRB31:21.055+ 1,5920
13Jarno TrulliToyotaTF1071:21.145+ 1,6820
14Sebastien BourdaisToro RossoSTR21:21.354+ 1,8910
15Takuma SatoSuper Aguri F1SA071:21.869+ 2,4060
16Nico RosbergWilliamsFW291:21.887+ 2,4240
17Timo GlockToyotaTF1071:21.990+ 2,5270
18Vitantonio LiuzziForce IndiaF8-VII1:22.853+ 3,3900
19Ralf SchumacherForce IndiaF8-VII1:23.340+ 3.8770

[SGWilko]

Test times at 14:53 local time Thursday (laps are wrong...)
Some are on slicks/Monza aero, and some not (no idea which, sorry).
Note Massa and Ralf's positions...

CoureurTeamChassisLaptimeDifferenceLaps1Felipe massFerrariF20071:19.463 02Michael SchumacherFerrariF20071:19.885+ 0,42203Robert KubicaBMW SauberF1.071:20.031+ 0,56804Nick HeidfeldBMW SauberF1.071:20.125+ 0,66205Mark of WebberSave Bull RacingRB31:20.149+ 0,68606Lewis hamiltonMcLarenMP4-221:20.273+ 0,81007Sebastian VettelToro RossoSTR21:20.366+ 0,90308Nelson Piquet Jr.RenaultR271:20.716+ 1,25309Pedro the drawer RosaMcLarenMP4-221:20.796+ 1,333010Kazuki NakajimaWilliamsFW291:20.846+ 1,383011Rubens BarrichelloHondaRA1071:20.977+ 1,514012David CoulthardSave Bull RacingRB31:21.055+ 1,592013Jarno TrulliToyotaTF1071:21.145+ 1,682014Sebastien BourdaisToro RossoSTR21:21.354+ 1,891015Takuma SatoSuper Aguri F1SA071:21.869+ 2,406016Nico RosbergWilliamsFW291:21.887+ 2,424017Timo GlockToyotaTF1071:21.990+ 2,527018Vitantonio LiuzziForce IndiaF8-VII1:22.853+ 3,3900
19Ralf SchumacherForce IndiaF8-VII1:23.340+ 3.8770

Ouch, that didn't format very well. Have you got a link to follow please?

[passmeatissue]

Sorry, looked fine till I posted it! edited now.

It's from a Dutch site...
http://www.f1today.nl/liveupdate.php?liveupdateID=24

You can get an amusing partial translation by pasting the link at http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr

[SGWilko]

Sorry, looked fine till I posted it! edited now.

It's from a Dutch site...
http://www.f1today.nl/liveupdate.php?liveupdateID=24

You can get an amusing partial translation by pasting the link at http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr

Much better thanks.