Paul Birds two fingers

[seppefan]

First Sykes goes and then Shakey and yet now Birdie is able to say b@@@@cks to the two of you, if you had stayed you would have been in WSB and how he must of enjoyed wishing them well in BSB for 2008. Good old silly season!

[patnicholls]

Well, that's a needlessly inflamatory title for a topic that most likely doesn't warrant it :)

There are a bunch of reasons why Shakey and Grinner didn't stay with Stobart. They both had excellent seasons last year (Tom particularly since it was his debut in BSB) so it will have been a tough call to make, and Paul Bird is very fond of them both (Shakey was champion in 2003 with that team when it was known as MonsterMob Ducati, of course).

Moving from your domestic champ to international is a big call to make, because it means you're travelling all the time - when any rider retires from racing, the first thing they say is that they won't miss the travel. Shakey's dad has been very ill over the past year, and with that in mind he's less likely to want to be away from the UK all the time. Us Eurosport viewers have also heard that Tom (who is only 21 I think) got his first own house with his lady this year, so is again unlikely to want to go globe-hopping straight away. And before I get slayed for making non-racing-based reasons for staying in the UK, they can play a big part. Casey Stoner got married last winter and he's just had by far the best season of his life.

Also, three of the top four guys from BSB have vacated the series (Kiyo, Jonny Rea and Gregorio is likely to return to WSB) so it's a golden chance for guys like Shakey and Tom to get the title if they remain in Britain. Shakey's been bitten before in MotoGP riding the pig-like Aprilia. Tom needs another season in BSB to win some races and get some really solid credentials to take a top international ride if possible, even though he had an amazing first year.

There's also the machinery change with the Ducati 1200s coming in - and there are likely to be at least six of them in WSB compared with maybe three in BSB. If - as feared - they are the dominant bike then people might be scared off WSB unless they're on one. Tom also has some Suzuki history from British Supersport and with the factory coming in with a big effort and a very strong team-mate, it could be a good time to get back in with them.

All kinds of things, really - things are rarely that simple.

There is also the possibility of a little politicking as regards Stobart moving up to WSB - at present there are no Brits signed up to a championship that we are arguably the main supporter of (along with Italy). Starting 2008 without any British riders on that grid would not be in FGSport's line of thinking, so I'd expect a Brit to appear in that seat at Stobart. Maybe Tommy Hill or Stalker.

[T-D]

pat, i must say that you really have nailed it.

excellent analysis.

thanks.

[ChrisS]

I wonder if Barros is a possibility

Greg Lavilla and Tommy Hill are the rumoured riders for Stobart

[Mach24]

pat, i must say that you really have nailed it.

excellent analysis.

thanks.


I could not disagree more!

Whilst I can understand the situation with Shakey I can not agree with the comments regarding Tom.

Just bought a house, girlfriend, a lot of travelling, perhaps gifted a championship as there is not as much depth...... If the opportunity was there Tom should take it.

This is hypothetical as neither of these riders may have even been in PB's WSBK plans.

[jonny hurlock]

I wonder if Barros is a possibility

Greg Lavilla and Tommy Hill are the rumoured riders for Stobart

more than likely be lavilla and hill, tommi is been a good driver with a not so good bike (virgin yamaha in bsb) for a few years, I like to see him on a top bike.

[ArmchairBikeFan]

There's an interview on http://www.bikesportnews.com where Birdy pretty much admits he's sticking two fingers up to Grinner and Shakey. One quote is:

Bird said: “I was absolutely flabbergasted at the way they treated the team. All of the mechanics and crew had worked so hard to give them results this year and they just turned their backs on us.

“They don’t care. It’s just another pay cheque to them. This is how they repaid us for all of our hard work.

“I just had to have the last laugh. I bet both of them are kicking themselves now. We’re going to World Superbikes and they’re not.”

Which pretty much says it all. It'll be fantastic to have them in WSBK, they did really well in BSB. Stalker won't be with them, he's riding a Kwaka in WSS, but there are a lot of rumours about Lavilla signing for them.

[tha_jackal]

Why not give Chaz Davies a run? ;)

[306 Cosworth]

Good to see Stobart getting more Exposure on the World Scene, looks like it means less rallying for Paul Bird :( He's always a quick driver, but hopefully he'll make a couple of appearances.

[T-D]

that's a great article. nice to see such unexpurgated bile in print. :laugh:

[seppefan]

There's an interview on www.bikesportnews.com (http://www.bikesportnews.com) where Birdy pretty much admits he's sticking two fingers up to Grinner and Shakey. One quote is:

Bird said: “I was absolutely flabbergasted at the way they treated the team. All of the mechanics and crew had worked so hard to give them results this year and they just turned their backs on us.

“They don’t care. It’s just another pay cheque to them. This is how they repaid us for all of our hard work.

“I just had to have the last laugh. I bet both of them are kicking themselves now. We’re going to World Superbikes and they’re not.”

Which pretty much says it all. It'll be fantastic to have them in WSBK, they did really well in BSB. Stalker won't be with them, he's riding a Kwaka in WSS, but there are a lot of rumours about Lavilla signing for them.


That was my point but the mod saw it differently and would I argue with the mod!

[patnicholls]

Well, this mod is just a normal punter really, I don't have any inside info :)

I was semi-surprised to see Paul Bird's comments in full, which rather undermined what I said earlier! It was surprising given how much he likes Shakey (they won the 2003 title together) and Tom (seeing him on TV watching the races, getting pretty excited when Tom was near getting a well-deserved win). But then again, despite deserving a lot of respect for running a top-notch team Paul Bird does have a history of being a bit of a motormouth and such like. Not to mention sacking the late, great Steve Hislop after Hizzy took the 2002 title, which is understandably forgotten given Hizzy's tragic death in 2003.

However, I stand by my comments on maybe WSB not being right for Shakey or Tom right now. They are well capable of making their own decisions after all! Tom did have a brilliant debut yes, but he hasn't quite won a race yet so a second year will help him a lot. Ditto Leon Camier - similar story there, imho. My original post actually doesn't mention anything about Paul Bird, I'm not disagreeing that Paul said those things - just whether they were warranted!

Overall, it's just Paul Bird mouthing off about the pair of them in his own unique style :p

[Nick@S]

Not to mention sacking the late, great Steve Hislop after Hizzy took the 2002 title, which is understandably forgotten given Hizzy's tragic death in 2003.


Not by me! This just seems like typical stuff from Paul Bird, who can hardly complain - he did s**t on Hizzy when he'd won the championship!

[neninja]

Not by me! This just seems like typical stuff from Paul Bird, who can hardly complain - he did s**t on Hizzy when he'd won the championship!

If the rumours are to be believed then Birdie was provoked somewhat.

Let's just say that Hizzy had allegedly notched more than a Championship title that year ;-)

[neninja]

Why not give Chaz Davies a run? ;)

Chaz wanted the Erion Honda ride in AMA but that went to Zemske.

The Attack Kawasaki ride was then looking pretty much sorted for him. Chaz had suggested that it would be announced last Wednesday yet nothing has been forthcoming.

I reckon he's looking a good bet for the 2nd Stobart ride. Fingers crossed.

[ArmchairBikeFan]

Certainly Hizzy wasn't the easiest guy to work with, and did get fired rather a lot after falling out with team bosses for various reasons.

[Mach24]

Chaz wanted the Erion Honda ride in AMA but that went to Zemske.

The Attack Kawasaki ride was then looking pretty much sorted for him. Chaz had suggested that it would be announced last Wednesday yet nothing has been forthcoming.

I reckon he's looking a good bet for the 2nd Stobart ride. Fingers crossed.

Chaz confirmed at Attack Kawasaki in AMA!

Right where he belongs.

[NinjaMaster]

Chaz confirmed at Attack Kawasaki in AMA!

Right where he belongs.
Awesome. :up: They are a very professional and competitive team and he will do real well.