Yet another proof that doping is massive in top sports

[tinchote]

Marion Jones has confessed (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/04/AR2007100401666.html?hpid=topnews) using steroids in her preparation for Sydney 2000, where she shone in the track events.

After this - and so many other cases already known - you have to ask yourself: what about the other athletes that are performing at the same level? Is it possible that they are clean? Hard to believe :s

[Camelopard]

Sorry but I'm not suprised, what happens to her medals from Sydney 2000, does the second placed person get the gold and so on?

[A.F.F.]

Marion Jones has confessed (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/04/AR2007100401666.html?hpid=topnews) using steroids in her preparation for Sydney 2000, where she shone in the track events.

After this - and so many other cases already known - you have to ask yourself: what about the other athletes that are performing at the same level? Is it possible that they are clean? Hard to believe :s


I couldn't agree more. When do we get to the point where it would be wiser to allow doping as part of the sport? :mark:

[LotusElise]

The rumours have been going around about Marion Jones for years. This doesn't surprise me and I thought she'd been done for drugs ages ago.
I really hope that the IAAF does not capitulate to drug culture and the drug companies - athletics, like all sports, is meant to be a test of ability, not chemical engineering.

[tinchote]

The rumours have been going around about Marion Jones for years. This doesn't surprise me and I thought she'd been done for drugs ages ago.
I really hope that the IAAF does not capitulate to drug culture and the drug companies - athletics, like all sports, is meant to be a test of ability, not chemical engineering.

I completely agree with that.

But my point is, does anyone really believe this - and the others - are isolated incidents? These days, you look at the arms of a sprinter and his arm muscles are bigger than those of a boxer. And I always ask myself: how much time does a professional sprinter dedicate to working on his arms? :s

[jens]

Another proof that dope users are always one step ahead of the WADA. It's impossible to discover and eliminate all the cheaters. I don't believe that Asafa Powell's 9,74 has been run without the help of dope.

For a long time there have been discussions whether to permit dope using or not. What do you think? Everyone knows the risks then and decides whether to become a top athlete or not.

[tinchote]

For a long time there have been discussions whether to permit dope using or not. What do you think? Everyone knows the risks then and decides whether to become a top athlete or not.

I see your point, but there has to be some limit. Without restrictions, we would start looking at very weird things very soon. Women using testosterone á-la Eastern Germany in the 70s/80s, for example (and, by the way, several of their records are still unbeaten :s )

[millencolin]

the rumours were going around during the olympics that she was on steriods... so im not surprised

[Garry Walker]

I see your point, but there has to be some limit. Without restrictions, we would start looking at very weird things very soon. Women using testosterone á-la Eastern Germany in the 70s/80s, for example (and, by the way, several of their records are still unbeaten :s )

I remember The Press Brothers :D

Everyone uses dope in some sports, it is impossible without. Those not using dope, you dont even know their names, because they finish 45th.

In some sports it is obviously worse than at others, for example like at weight-lifting, athletics, skiing, cycling.

[Erki]

What about food additives? Aren't those just the same as dope too? I think they are. Normal people usually don't eat tablets and powders. All of them dope, it's just that most of them do it in the allowed borders. How well would someone who eats natural organic food with no chemical stuff, do in olympics?

[LotusElise]

I remember The Press Brothers :D


It's funny how the side effect of the DDR's drug regime picked up on is always "ooh, didn't their women look manly?"
Some of these people are now very ill, sterile and have problems regulating their hormones. The men as well as the women were subjected to forced or coerced drug use. A bit of compassion wouldn't go amiss.

[tinchote]

What about food additives? Aren't those just the same as dope too? I think they are. Normal people usually don't eat tablets and powders. All of them dope, it's just that most of them do it in the allowed borders. How well would someone who eats natural organic food with no chemical stuff, do in olympics?

That's a good question.

Still, while hard to explain, I think there is a difference between tweaking your diet - even with chemicals - and injecting substances directly in blood, for example. As I said, it's hard to decide where the limit should be. But, there has to be a limit, and the discussion centers on the fact that the limit is way too far these days.

[Woodeye]

What about food additives? Aren't those just the same as dope too? I think they are. Normal people usually don't eat tablets and powders. All of them dope, it's just that most of them do it in the allowed borders. How well would someone who eats natural organic food with no chemical stuff, do in olympics?

Eating proteins and carbohydrates isn't same as taking dope. If that's what you mean by "powders". :rolleyes: If a certain ingredient isn't on listed as doping by WADA, then it's not. Simple?

And yes, I know that there's drugs developed and being under development that aren't on WADA's list, but sooner they'll add those on the list as well, the better.

[Erki]

Eating proteins and carbohydrates isn't same as taking dope. If that's what you mean by "powders". :rolleyes: If a certain ingredient isn't on listed as doping by WADA, then it's not. Simple?

Some drugs are just easier to be made legal. :)

[tinchote]

This is proof that things will not change: the president of the US Olympic committee says that Jones has to return her medals (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/7031132.stm) (I could agree with that); but he seems to imply that this is an isolated episode. And, personally, it would be hard to convince me that Marion Jones' rivals at the finals in Sydney 2000 are completely clean.

[Storm]

I see on the BBC site how they have a photo of her with "tears" and how she thought it was flaxseed oil and not steroids which her coach was giving her.

Hmmmmmmm :rolleyes:

[oily oaf]

Outrageous!
Why cant these shady track and field stars play fair like those nice boys in the bycycle racing? Eh? Eh? :mad:

Mind you I cant talk as only last Saturday night I used performance enhacing drugs after collapsing in a drunken stupour outside my front door :(
Thinking quickly I hurriedly swallowed 5 Viagra tablets and managed to ring the door bell whilst still lying down.

Next week:
How I used a penis enhancing vacumn pump to pole vault into next doors garden.

[millencolin]

well you can trust that no aussie athlete is on performance enhancing drugs....

recreational drugs though.... hmm different story

[janneppi]

millencolin, tell that to the 13 Aussies who were caught last year, unless steroids and stimulants are recreational drugs too. ;)