Webber Vettel Hamilton [Footage removed by Formula one management *Merged*

[DonnieDarco]

Having seen the footage, I think its fair that Hamilton isn't punished. The safety car was very slow around the turn, Hamilton had to slow up in a hurry, but you can clearly see he went right over to the far side so as not to get hit from behind by Webber and/or Vettel.

That's how it appears to me, at this moment in time, anyway :D

[nightingalecars]

Having seen the footage, I think its fair that Hamilton isn't punished. The safety car was very slow around the turn, Hamilton had to slow up in a hurry, but you can clearly see he went right over to the far side so as not to get hit from behind by Webber and/or Vettel.

That's how it appears to me, at this moment in time, anyway :D

Totally agree. Finally common sense has prevailed!!!. It's also good to see vettel's punishment reduced to a reprimand. Bring on the race now!! ;)

[markabilly]

And the winner is markabilly :bounce: :p :

Was that meant to be criticial????---weeell nooow

Let me paraphrase our new soon to be WDC:


"If I've been in the wrong, I've been the first to put my hand up, or apologise at least, and I don't mind being given a penalty but there's been some really strange situations this year where I'm made to look the bad person.......

"It's just a shame for the sport and if this is the way it's going to keep going then it's probably not somewhere I really want to be."

So there!!!! :love:

Drink up mates,
It's time to celebrate!!
:beer:

[ShiftingGears]

I find it backwards that Kubica gets penalised for an accident under racing conditions and Vettel and Hamilton get no penalties for being utter boneheads under the safety car.

[Spyfunkr]

F1 car budget=$1M+

Crashing into the back of the car in front of you under yellow=10P

Using a camera phone video on YouTube instead of your own $10M+ video network to investigate an incident 4 days after a race=Pathetic

Spy

[cosmicpanda]

But looking at the incident you'd have to argue strongly that if someone in front wasn't driving like that the accident was less likely to have occured.

Yes, but you could also argue that when drivers are constantly accelerating and decelerating, consistant rhythm or not, you're more likely to have a crash than if an even speed is maintained throughout the entire track.

When you get into "What if?" kinds of debates, it's difficult to really come up with a concrete argument. :p :

[markabilly]

I find it backwards that Kubica gets penalised for an accident under racing conditions and Vettel and Hamilton get no penalties for being utter boneheads under the safety car.


Yeah strange how Kimi (while in the racing line) has hamilton slid right up under him, and manages to avoid contact, but at Japan, hamilton goes way wide, opening the door to a car he knows is following him, and then the car slides right up under him, hamilton fails to avoid him , and the other driver gets an immediate penalty---all while racing---

Then a ten place penalty for an incident behind the pace car......a video tape from a fan shows what happened much better, and shows hamilton is at least as culpable for the incident and deserving of a similar penalty, and the penalty goes away for both........

So...
Drink up mates,
It's time to celebrate!!
:beer:

[markabilly]

In any event, whatever happens will be a political decision and not a technical based only on the evidence decision...so I see very little penalty if any for LH (just like the collision with Kubica) unless Bernie gets really bold and decides we need a little more interest and action for the final race....sure wish I could hear what bernie is saying to stewards directly or through the grapevine, then I would know exactly what will happen before it does :D
Happy now Arrows?? :D

[Mintexmemory]

Happy now Arrows?? :D

Here we go again didn't someone say LH was bound to get a penalty to keep the Championship open as long as possible, come on - own up who was it?

This is a common sense decision for all the reasons previously described.
Interestingly in a reported interview (Louise Goodman) Webber has said he didn't want to see LH punished. Why then raise a formal complaint?
Webber -'the Australian Button -1'

[BDunnell]

Interestingly in a reported interview (Louise Goodman) Webber has said he didn't want to see LH punished. Why then raise a formal complaint?

He didn't raise a formal complaint, though, according to the BBC.

[markabilly]

Here we go again didn't someone say LH was bound to get a penalty to keep the Championship open as long as possible, come on - own up who was it?

This is a common sense decision for all the reasons previously described.
Interestingly in a reported interview (Louise Goodman) Webber has said he didn't want to see LH punished. Why then raise a formal complaint?
Webber -'the Australian Button -1'


When all the rest were ranting about how vettel deserved his penalty...I said that LH clearly deserved no less and probably more

Never said that Vettel did not deserve a penalty

What changed about Vettel's need for a penalty? Nothing, except that it became clear as to hamilton's same involvment in the collision.

And as I said, (and some others perhaps)--it will all depend on "what is good for the sport" as above, and whether bernie is willing to risk the golden boy's chances for wdc in order to make it a tighter race

Now no doubt some of you are sick of hearing this---but that does not make it less true

I am sick of hearing this--does not make it less true

I am sick of saying and thinking this-does not make it less true

So what will you do to change it from happenning and continuing to happen?

my guess, is "vettel reversal"--say it did not happen, pretend it is not happenning and enjoy the "pro westlin" (which all these whining comments from FA and LH is begining to be very much the same as the comments made by participants in "pro weestlin"..... :rolleyes:

[Mintexmemory]

Very surprised there was an investigation then, as a previous competition licence holder (many moons ago) I always had to put up a fee if I wanted stewards to investigate a complaint. They ordinarily won't lift a finger without formality

Here we go again didn't someone say LH was bound to get a penalty to keep the Championship open as long as possible, come on - own up who was it?

I said it.

I'm surprised that it hasn't happened, but not because I thought Hamilton was necessarily guilty of anything nor because I think Hamilton is favoured.

I simply expected the powers that be to grab the opportunity to create/contrive an end of season spectacle.

That was based on the facts that they have been known to do that in the past.

I would, however, love to hear how those amongst us who believe that the FIA favour Ferrari can explain the lack of action by the authorities, seeing how it pretty much knackers Kimi's faint hopes.

[ArrowsFA1]

Was that meant to be criticial????---weeell nooow


Happy now Arrows?? :D

:laugh: :s mokin:

[BDunnell]

I would, however, love to hear how those amongst us who believe that the FIA favour Ferrari can explain the lack of action by the authorities, seeing how it pretty much knackers Kimi's faint hopes.

I think that what's happened recently disproves the notion that the FIA favoured Ferrari in the past, because for any allegiance to change that quickly is positively schizophrenic. I always felt the stuff about Ferrari and Michael Schumacher being favoured was wrong, just as I feel the stuff about Hamilton and McLaren being favoured now is wrong.

[Kevincal]

Ok, from my eyes. Hamilton drove erratically behind the safety car, regardless of conditions. Look at the start of the race. He broke so hard that Alonso had to pass him, then get back behind him. Then the Webber/Vettel incident, again he broke so hard that Vettel thought he was coming to a stop! Totally unnecessary driving on Lewis' part and if you go to the official F1 website they have a new pole asking if Lewis should be penalized and overwhelmingly the answer is YES... =/

[ioan]

Totally unnecessary driving on Lewis' part and if you go to the official F1 website they have a new pole asking if Lewis should be penalized and overwhelmingly the answer is YES... =/

But they didn't do it as he threatened them to quit F1 because he felt persecuted! ;)

[Valve Bounce]

F1 car budget=$1M+

Crashing into the back of the car in front of you under yellow=10P

Using a camera phone video on YouTube instead of your own $10M+ video network to investigate an incident 4 days after a race=Pathetic

Spy

I have to agree here: that the Stewards would even consider a phone video on youTube to investigate an incident in a race 4 days after the event.
This is really getting into the realms of extreme ineptitude and desperation.
If you have the time, some of you might like to check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Alwyn+Davey&search=Search
Tell me what you think!!

[Kevincal]

The Hamilton/Webber/Vettel incident that was removed from Youtube CLEARLY showed just how much Hamilton slowed up. It was WAY too drastic of a move and clearly started the chain reaction. It wasn't purely Hamilton's fault, but he definitely had a hand in it. Under those conditions, you just should be making such extreme maneuvers.

[Ari]

Bernie loves Hamilton.

Hamilton gets off.

Work it out guys! ;)

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