2007 Rally Catalunya - official thread [Archive] - Page 3

jonkka

7th October 2007, 08:46

Vey much bashed Andy Aigner is leading clearly group-N.

Against such a thin competition it's not too difficult to accomplish.

jonkka

7th October 2007, 08:46

Wow, what is Petter trying? To prove a point? Or catch Duval?

Langdale Forest

7th October 2007, 08:48

Duval has started.

malscar

7th October 2007, 08:49

Pons is not that far off Petter either. Duval 5sec slower on the first split.

Langdale Forest

7th October 2007, 08:50

What happend to Al Quassimi?

A.F.F.

7th October 2007, 08:59

Against such a thin competition it's not too difficult to accomplish.

I agree and I have to admit I haven't got a clue what has happened there but still, he is leading against for instance Hänninen.

jonkka

7th October 2007, 08:59

Duval responds... And Sordo faster than Loeb, a bit...

A.F.F.

7th October 2007, 09:02

I hope Corsica offers a bit more excitement. :mark:

jonkka

7th October 2007, 09:03

I agree and I have to admit I haven't got a clue what has happened there but still, he is leading against for instance Hänninen.

As it's been said, it is Juha's first tarmac rally so Aigner should be leading. I have been positively surprised by Hanninen this year, it's interesting to see what he'll become in the future. Aigner was hit hard by Red Bull Skoda's withdrawal, Gr.N just isn't the same. Hopefully he'd get a WRCar to show what he can do as he is not without skill either.

Langdale Forest

7th October 2007, 09:07

Sordo fastest through the stage so far.

A.F.F.

7th October 2007, 09:11

As it's been said, it is Juha's first tarmac rally so Aigner should be leading. I have been positively surprised by Hanninen this year, it's interesting to see what he'll become in the future. Aigner was hit hard by Red Bull Skoda's withdrawal, Gr.N just isn't the same. Hopefully he'd get a WRCar to show what he can do as he is not without skill either.

Excatly. Some folks here just tend to relate him ( Aigner ) to Wilson jr. which I disagree.

Langdale Forest

7th October 2007, 09:42

Andersson is leading the JWRC.

MikeD

7th October 2007, 10:07

As it's been said, it is Juha's first tarmac rally so Aigner should be leading. I have been positively surprised by Hanninen this year, it's interesting to see what he'll become in the future. Aigner was hit hard by Red Bull Skoda's withdrawal, Gr.N just isn't the same. Hopefully he'd get a WRCar to show what he can do as he is not without skill either.

If he keeps his Red Bull sponsorship, he should have a very good chance of a competitive seat I think.

Mauri A

7th October 2007, 10:26

What happened to Hänninen on stage 16?

SubaruNorway

7th October 2007, 10:33

What happened to Hänninen on stage 16?

Puncture, had to change it. Still 29 sec infront of Brynildsen

Mauri A

7th October 2007, 10:41

Puncture, had to change it. Still 29 sec infront of Brynildsen
Thanks!

Langdale Forest

7th October 2007, 11:11

The stage has started.

White Sauron

7th October 2007, 11:29

Evgeny Vertunov is the champion!!!!!! Be afraid, PWRC field will brew to the ground when he comes to Japan!

SubaruNorway

7th October 2007, 11:36

Petter's still in sixth right http://www.swrt.com/img_gallery/790405258.jpg

muscrae

7th October 2007, 11:38

Both Solberg brothers said "ss17 was not so bad."

muscrae

7th October 2007, 11:42

Dani (2.33.1) is fastest on the first split of ss17, Marcus (2.33.3)is second and Seb (2.33.4) is third...

SubaruNorway

7th October 2007, 11:44

Colin's got titts on his mind :D

muscrae

7th October 2007, 11:48

At the end of ss17 Seb says:
Everything is ok at the moment hopefully we can keep the speed on the last stage...

Mauri A

7th October 2007, 11:48

A really boring rally, after first day it has been just pure cosmetics! Now for the 2nd time in row F1 has been more interesting.

muscrae

7th October 2007, 11:53

ss17:
Marcus is fastest, Duval is 2nd, Hirvonen is 3th, Latvala is 5th, Sordo is 6th, Atkinson is 8th,Loeb is 9th and P.Solberg is 10th...

Brother John

7th October 2007, 11:58

A really boring rally, after first day it has been just pure cosmetics! Now for the 2nd time in row F1 has been more interesting.

I agree, i don´t like racing, i´m a rally fan. ;)

muscrae

7th October 2007, 12:10

I agree, i don´t like racing, i´m a rally fan. ;)
me too... forever... :D

Langdale Forest

7th October 2007, 12:11

Eye in the sky is about to start. :)

7th October 2007, 12:17

The last Stage has started, lets see what happens, :) ;)

mdesign

7th October 2007, 12:21

whats the link for the eye in the sky?

SubaruNorway

7th October 2007, 12:25

wrc.com some realy great shots right now

Langdale Forest

7th October 2007, 12:27

Pons on EITS now.

mdesign

7th October 2007, 12:28

got it.

Brother John

7th October 2007, 12:31

whats the link for the eye in the sky?

mms://a198.l2054656197.c20546.g.lm.akam ... ctor:56197 (mms://a198.l2054656197.c20546.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/198/20546/v0001/reflector:56197)

This one works for me. ;)

mdesign

7th October 2007, 12:33

mms://a198.l2054656197.c20546.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/198/20546/v0001/reflector:56197

This one works for me. ;)

Thanks

MikeD

7th October 2007, 12:53

Gap cut to 6 points - and Loeb has one win more than Gronholm. In case they both end the season on the same points, most wins could decide the championship.

Let's hope Corsica will bring a more exiting rally...

muscrae

7th October 2007, 12:56

The big battle ends...

Seb wins Catalunya rally again...

Gronholm: Hopefully we can catch Citroen guys in France..

Loeb: I am very happy and hope to do it again next weekend in France..

mdesign

7th October 2007, 12:57

this rally was over before it begins. only "surprise" for me was duval not stealing points from gronholm

jonkka

7th October 2007, 12:59

Loeb is first driver to have three wins from Catalunya and Citroen first manufacturer to have four.

jonkka

7th October 2007, 13:03

this rally was over before it begins. only "surprise" for me was duval not stealing points from gronholm

Yes, quite uneventful in the end though first leg proved some excitement. Had it been dry throughout I wonder how tight it might have been.

MikeD

7th October 2007, 13:05

this rally was over before it begins. only "surprise" for me was duval not stealing points from gronholm

I think Duval will be more of a threat in Corsica. It's more narrow and that suits Duval more, whereas Gronholm might struggle there (IMHO).

Brother John

7th October 2007, 13:07

Voila expired, the most insipid rally which I have seen this year. I hate asphalt rallies which actual is more circuit race. Duval has done well and used his head. This weekend clearly shows that he would be the best substitute for Grönholm at Ford in 2008,! At Citroën he must listen to Guy and will be the number 2, because Loeb is and remains applied the golden boy to Citroën. :dozey:

SubaruNorway

7th October 2007, 13:17

Just look at the posts and views of this thread, New Zealand has twice as many on both.

Langdale Forest

7th October 2007, 13:20

I think Duval will be more of a threat in Corsica. It's more narrow and that suits Duval more, whereas Gronholm might struggle there (IMHO).

Duval has not finished in Corsica for the last 3 years but he did do well in 2003.

jonkka

7th October 2007, 13:21

No wonder. Hopefully Mikko can step up his game and new Subaru will be competitive, otherwise we'll be half-sleep next year.

alleskids

7th October 2007, 13:46

Loeb is first driver to have three wins from Catalunya and Citroen first manufacturer to have four.

Sebastian Loeb is aslo the most succesfull hatrick scoring driver.
Deutschland Rally 2002-03-04-05-06-07 (6 times !!!)
Rallye Monte Carlo 2003-04-05
Cyprus Rally 2004-05-06
Rally Argentina 2005-06-07
Rallye Catalunya 2005-06-07

The second succesfull driver is Tommi Makinen with 3 hatricks, Monte Carlo, Finland and Argentina.

MikeD

7th October 2007, 13:47

Duval has not finished in Corsica for the last 3 years but he did do well in 2003.

You are right. But I still think the nature of Tour de Corse is more suited to Duval than Catalunya was.

And I think Citroen is happy as long as either Sordo or Duval finishes in front of Gronholm.

White Sauron

7th October 2007, 14:01

What about JWRC? Aava and PG are equal on points now - before the final round!!

pino

7th October 2007, 14:18

Voila expired, the most insipid rally which I have seen this year. I hate asphalt rallies which actual is more circuit race...

Go to Sanremo...you will change mind :p : But I agree about this rally, never liked Catalunya anyway, sorry spanish friends ;)

Magnus

7th October 2007, 14:30

I think Duval would be a very bad replacement for Ford; Duval has no speed compared to Bosse on loose surfaces. The advantages with having Duval on tar, would quickly be down the drain when it comes to the loose.

anncath

7th October 2007, 14:49

What about JWRC? Aava and PG are equal on points now - before the final round!!

P-G is back and will make it - if he keeps care of his "körkort"!

White Sauron

7th October 2007, 14:50

Well, Ford can change their 2nd drivers! Latavala on gravel and Duval on tarmac will be just great!

muscrae

7th October 2007, 15:08

You are right. But I still think the nature of Tour de Corse is more suited to Duval than Catalunya was.

And I think Citroen is happy as long as either Sordo or Duval finishes in front of Gronholm.

I agree...

SubaruNorway

7th October 2007, 17:21

I know who took Atkinsons gum three leaf http://www.swrt.com/img_gallery/415935252.jpg
;)

Spanish

7th October 2007, 21:44

Go to Sanremo...you will change mind :p : But I agree about this rally, never liked Catalunya anyway, sorry spanish friends ;)

Exactly. It goes Sanremo…. and besides to see another insipid rally again, you will get wet. :p :p :p

But serious:

I have seen all editions of the Rally Catalunya from before it was within the WRC, and know much people within the organization, and the continuous exigencies of the FIA it have transformed this rally, in which we do not know what is, but what is sure it is that he is not rally.

Emotion, spectacle? here and now, surely that no

jonkka

7th October 2007, 22:13

I have seen all editions of the Rally Catalunya from before it was within the WRC, and know much people within the organization

You do? Great! Do you know if RACC keeps records of old results and how could I get hold of those? If you know who I could ask or who you could contact, please PM me.

SubaruNorway

7th October 2007, 22:34

Day two wasen't even in the review tonight thats how boring it was

Koz

8th October 2007, 04:06

A really boring rally, after first day it has been just pure cosmetics! Now for the 2nd time in row F1 has been more interesting.

I'm ashamed to agree to this :(

tmx

8th October 2007, 05:12

No wonder. Hopefully Mikko can step up his game and new Subaru will be competitive, otherwise we'll be half-sleep next year.

i fell asleep hile watching the eurosport coverage.

White Sauron

8th October 2007, 06:28

Found one interesting thing in finnish sources: just after the morning stages yesterday Marcus asked the team about the results of F1 in China! And when he was told Hamilton made a mistake, he said it was in vain to have expected the same mistake from Loeb...))

Woodeye

8th October 2007, 06:50

This was the most boring rally so far. After day 1 I stopped watching it. Quite a shame I think. :(

AndyRAC

8th October 2007, 08:48

What was Xevi Pons playing at, another waste of a good car.

Brother John

8th October 2007, 08:58

What was Xevi Pons playing at, another waste of a good car.

A good car????????? :eek:

Tom206wrc

8th October 2007, 09:37

This was the most boring rally so far. After day 1 I stopped watching it. Quite a shame I think. :(

Just the opposite for me !! I'm mega-happy Citroën had the best result and Loeb to reduce gap in championship :bounce:

A.F.F.

8th October 2007, 10:56

Just the opposite for me !! I'm mega-happy Citroën had the best result and Loeb to reduce gap in championship :bounce:

I can remotely relate to Tom. Back when Tommi ruled the scene I found WRC quite satisfying :)

Point of view I guess ;)

AndyRAC

8th October 2007, 11:23

A good car????????? :eek:

Okay, the waste of a works car, though he's not the only one. He does seem to have multiple offs in every event.

Wim_Impreza

8th October 2007, 11:32

Just the opposite for me !! I'm mega-happy Citroën had the best result and Loeb to reduce gap in championship :bounce:

How can you be mega-happy after an incredible boring rally?

COD

8th October 2007, 13:09

Have to agree with those saying it was a really boring rally. Something should be done and fast. Hopefully the single tyre will bring some action next year. Also one less tarmac rally in 2008 than 2007 hopefully.

Josti

8th October 2007, 16:03

Just the opposite for me !! I'm mega-happy Citroën had the best result and Loeb to reduce gap in championship :bounce:

You must be really looking forward to next year Tom. From your point of view, I understand the enthusiasm, but don't you think it's better if Loeb doesn't win the championship this year?

About the rally, as many said a boring event. I hope Corsica will be different, but I doubt that will be the case. It's hard to make pickems, when you want the opposite to happen...

White Sauron

8th October 2007, 17:03

According to Bosse's blog on finnish site, Duval's weak performace could have been somehow related to a free seat in Ford for next year)))

jonkka

8th October 2007, 18:16

According to Bosse's blog on finnish site, Duval's weak performace could have been somehow related to a free seat in Ford for next year)))

So Duval has suddenly begun take team manager's point of view into account? It's wonders that one year off can do :eek:

SubaruNorway

8th October 2007, 18:17

COD

8th October 2007, 19:06

Don't know if anyones already writen it somewere but Hanninen was excluded, again. it had something to do with the car he had borowed not being properly transformed from an EVO8 to an EVO9 i think it has something to do with the roof.

Third exclusion in WRC in two years, that would be some kind of record. Couldn't find the news anywhere, do you have a link?

Mirek

8th October 2007, 19:35

According to the Mitsubishi materials "how to recognize wrong evo" it is not possible to transform any evolutions even single models of the same evolution. This is a kind of classic problems :( There are different welds in the roof. Mitsubishi has sold much less new evolutions than they were all over the world so they made plenty of signs on the car to make it very more complicated... For example the only two from ten evo 9 models allowed to be used as N4 car are Japanese GT and lightened body RS. There were many exclusions from many rallys this year (and sometimes only retirements...).

jacko

8th October 2007, 23:11

I can remotely relate to Tom. Back when Tommi ruled the scene I found WRC quite satisfying

Tommi never ruled the WRC !! In Tommi's days there where a lot more competetive rivals like Burns, Kankunnen, McRae, Sainz, Gronholm and Auriol. Think he did a maximum wins of 5 in one season. He did ruled in figures of titles in those days :)
About satisfying, from 2005 it has been really poor i agree, specially in quality.
If Subaru had a a winning car on every occassion the WRC was more interesting.., also to go from 3 drivers to 2 with all the loose of so many manufacturers that time was a bit unlucky.
But every sport has periods of this, so it will be come back those new magic names :)

jacko

8th October 2007, 23:23

This was the most boring rally so far. After day 1 I stopped watching it. Quite a shame I think. :(

Yes, hopefully Spain will be the first on to replace! It's like circuit racing, the kind of roads in Spain are "easy" to drive fast, corners are less so it's very difficult to find that extra time compare you rivals... Spain is really a waste of time in that way, only with rain it was intersting but those who took the right decision (mostly Citroen...) had the big advantage and that was it..
Corsica however is completly different with all his (1000) corners, Duval and Subaru will be closer to Ford this time and i think for sure Gronholm will be closer to the Citroens :)

gloomyDAY

9th October 2007, 06:38

This was the most boring rally so far. After day 1 I stopped watching it. Quite a shame I think. :(
Yeah, I nodded off a few times.

I wasn't very insterested in this rally because it felt more like a circuit race. Spain should be abandoned for a proper gravel rally. If I wanted boring processions with nagging drivers I'd go to the F1 threads, but this is rally!

Hopefully Corsica will be better.

AndyRAC

9th October 2007, 08:04

Didn't Catalunya used to be a mixed surface event? The team's arguments for not having them, personally don't stand up. Bring them back, would add something to the Championship. Not that it'll happen...

Mickey T

9th October 2007, 09:42

i was there and i was bored.

jonkka

9th October 2007, 10:00

Didn't Catalunya used to be a mixed surface event?

Until 1992, yes.

AGA

9th October 2007, 10:57

According to Bosse's blog on finnish site, Duval's weak performace could have been somehow related to a free seat in Ford for next year)))
Did Duval work for future employeer? Don't tell this to Guy.

Tomi

9th October 2007, 12:01

Duval has done well and used his head. This weekend clearly shows that he would be the best substitute for Grönholm at Ford in 2008,!

Best for Ford would be to get someone good as possible on gravel, and go for the manutitle next year, on the loose Duval is useless.

Roy

9th October 2007, 12:57

Best for Ford would be to get someone good as possible on gravel, and go for the manutitle next year, on the loose Duval is useless.

Duval only for tarmac is an option, but Hirvonen and Duval are strong enough to beat Citroen duo.
Rally Finland and Sweden, can drive by Latvala or Henning for BP Ford Abu Dhabi.
And that team wins the title again ;)

White Sauron

9th October 2007, 13:08

Duval only for tarmac is an option, but Hirvonen and Duval are strong enough to beat Citroen duo.
Rally Finland and Sweden, can drive by Latvala or Henning for BP Ford Abu Dhabi.
And that team wins the title again ;)

Yes, using Duval on tarmac and Latvala on gravel is the best option I believe. But what about title hopes... C'mon, guys, they haven't even won this year's title yet! Two more results like in Spain and another "Portugal" history - and Citroen is up there!

SubaruNorway

9th October 2007, 18:16

Wasen't Spain supposed to be a full gravel event for 05 ore 06 but they coulden't find enaugh roads?

Markko

9th October 2007, 18:51

From here you can find some of our rally pics. Hopefully you like them!

http://www.tangoteam.com/

BR,

Tango Team motorsport

SubaruNorway

9th October 2007, 19:21

From here you can find some of our rally pics. Hopefully you like them!

http://www.tangoteam.com/

BR,

Tango Team motorsport

Wow you got pretty much everything ;) Stohl, Atkinson, Sandel, got any of Mikkelsen actualy going of the road on the same place as Stohl?

anncath

9th October 2007, 19:45

From here you can find some of our rally pics. Hopefully you like them!

http://www.tangoteam.com/

BR,

Tango Team motorsport

Nice pics!

And Aaron realy picked some flowers...

Markko

10th October 2007, 12:39

Wow you got pretty much everything ;) Stohl, Atkinson, Sandel, got any of Mikkelsen actualy going of the road on the same place as Stohl?

Yes we got pretty much of everything :D After rally of Germany we dicided to go to Spain just for fun and to see nice sceneries instead of crashes...but a lot of action was seen here too. We missed Stohls and Mikkelsens crashes...we were two corners forward, but we changed the place after we heard that so many cars were crashing there. The place was tricky and a lot of gravel was on the road. So...we don´t have pics about Mikkelsen crash.

...Aaron really was lucky guy to go on without rolling...

-markko-

HJD

12th October 2007, 14:56

I was at the WRC Calatunya too.

It was a really good rally and we had a lot of fun. I made over 1300 pictures, and have about 450 on my website (http://www.racepics.nl)

here some of my pics:

http://hjracepictures.serv-it.net/Rallysport/2007/wrc_spanje_2007/DSC_0001.jpg

http://hjracepictures.serv-it.net/rallysport/2007/wrc_spanje_2007/DSC_0014.jpg

http://hjracepictures.serv-it.net/rallysport/2007/wrc_spanje_2007/DSC_0018.jpg

http://hjracepictures.serv-it.net/Rallysport/2007/wrc_spanje_2007/DSC_0025.jpg

http://hjracepictures.serv-it.net/rallysport/2007/WRC_Spanje_2007/DSC_0028.jpg

More on: http://www.racepics.nl