Rally Norway 2007

[White Sauron]

Wow... Isn't that's amazing... what we have been waiting for several years. A young driver beating all champions in a direct fight, without any technical problems for anyone!

[Corny]

Gigi is driving pirelli's uh?

[Bruno Portela]

Galli is driving a great rally being faster than Stohl and Carlsson in similar cars. We can not forget that he has Pirelli tyres, which should be a great disavantage.

[Brother John]

Look at J KOPECKY with that old Skoda!!!!!! :up:

[pino]

Gigi is driving pirelli's uh?

Yes he's !

[Finni]

I don't think it's 5 sec every driver ?! There is difference for early drivers, but Loeb Bosse Mikko are one after the other. Can't be that different since a lot of drivers has passed already.


Watch time differencies; almost every driver is faster than previous. When there ten cm snow it means that the road doesn't get clean all the time.

For instance watch Kopecky's time. it's in the same level with Garde, Solberg brothers etc.

[Bruno Portela]

The Pirelli's should be less developed than the BF Goodrich

[Corny]

I think Gigi does a perfect job, with a few-years old car, and Pirelli tyres..

[Tom206wrc]

Wilslow as fast as Gardemeister ??? IMPOSSIBLE !!!! :laugh:

[WRC2006]

Heh, Petter has not been problems since early ss. Yesterday Loeb took risks and he would really want to win but his road-position is difficult compared to Bosse and especially Hirvonen - the track is faster after every driver.

I don't think that really there is a big effect of the road position between Mikko, Marcus and Loeb?

[Wim_Impreza]

Wow, Pons is now the first Mitsubishi driver.

[Wim_Impreza]

Wilslow as fast as Gardemeister ??? IMPOSSIBLE !!!! :laugh:

SupeRally time for Wilson, Tom ;)

[Bruno Portela]

Carlsson take care, Speedy Pons is coming :)

For me, together with Mikko , Pons is the man of the leg so far

[Finni]

I don't think that really there is a big effect of the road position between Mikko, Marcus and Loeb?

Not that big than early runners but certainly something. Look at Kopecky's time. He is matching Solberg brothers and half nearer to Loeb than usually.

[White Sauron]

Wow, Pons is now the first Mitsubishi driver.

Team orders? lol)

[Mauri A]

I expect Loeb winning next stage.

[GigiGalliNo1]

The Pirelli's should be less developed than the BF Goodrich

Team Pirelli are still developing new tyres. I heard they have new type of tyres for Gigi in Sweden and think they brought over some more for NOR.

[Bruno Portela]

P G Andersoon faster than a couple of WRC

[Tom206wrc]

Pitty for Tord Linnerud he did fairly well until the last two splits where he lost many times(more than 3 minutes lost over Mikkelsen at the end) :(

An off perhaps ?? :mark:

[WRC2006]

Not that big than early runners but certainly something. Look at Kopecky's time. He is matching Solberg brothers and half nearer to Loeb than usually.

But Petter has already a problem with his Subaru, no brake,no traction. That is why. And I am impatient to hear about Loeb because he may have problem too? But for Petter I heard that.

[GigiGalliNo1]

2 mins till SS12

[Bruno Portela]

Bosse: "It's ok (faster than Loeb) but we have to wait for Mikko (Hirvonen). I want to win you know."

[pino]

P G Andersoon faster than a couple of WRC

I am not surprised...are you ?

[Finni]

But Petter has already a problem with his Subaru, no brake,no traction. That is why. And I am impatient to hear about Loeb because he may have problem too? But for Petter I heard that.

Loeb and Petter are not only benchmark I mentioned. You are assuming that Loeb has problems but there is no evidence about that. Rather there is evidences that first runner loose 2 min. fifth runner looses at least 30 extra sec... Follow the pattern.

[WRC2006]

Bosse: "It's ok (faster than Loeb) but we have to wait for Mikko (Hirvonen). I want to win you know."

I am wondering for a team order soon if the gap between Marcus and Loeb is still increasing after the next stage?! Hope this can't happen. Mikko deserve the victory.

[Tomi]

You are assuming that Loeb has problems but there is no evidence about that.

i think he said in the radio that he have some

[Bruno Portela]

I am not surprised...are you ?

Taking into account that he's driving a 2wd, yep, I'm a bit surprised.

As much as Pons being faster than Gigi ;)

[Anka]

hi, could you pass me the website to see the splists on the stages?? thanks.. :)

[Tomi]

hi, could you pass me the website to see the splists on the stages?? thanks.. :)

http://www.zone.ee/wrcmasters/analyzer.php?rally=3&stage=12&results=1&jwrc=

[Anka]

http://www.zone.ee/wrcmasters/analyzer.php?rally=3&stage=12&results=1&jwrc=

Thank you!! ;)

[René]

But Petter has already a problem with his Subaru, no brake,no traction. That is why. And I am impatient to hear about Loeb because he may have problem too? But for Petter I heard that.

Loeb said he took snow in first corner. The air entrance was obstructed and losing power (100hp) during all stage

[Tom206wrc]

Mikkelsen finished the SS12 in 4'54.8 ;)

[WRC2006]

Loeb said he took snow in first corner. The air entrance was obstructed and losing power (100hp) during all stage

Thank you

[Finni]

i think he said in the radio that he have some
'
Normal psychological effect when you are losing, blame tyres etc.

[M5]

Will be an interessting fight for 4th now. 19 Sek separating Petter in 4th and Galli in 6th, and Henning is in the Middle !!

[Tomi]

'
Normal psychological effect when you are losing, blame tyres etc.

possible yes, but you never know.

[Brother John]

Loeb said he took snow in first corner. The air entrance was obstructed and losing power (100hp) during all stage

The problem was that he was not fast enough! :D :s mokin:

[WRC2006]

Will be an interessting fight for 4th now. 19 Sek separating Petter in 4th and Galli in 6th, and Henning is in the Middle !!

Don't think to see it now as the stage is short.

[Tom206wrc]

Latvala gets more than 10s faster than the previous drivers on a so short stage :eek:

[Helstar]

Running now Lillehammar 5.98km, short stage.

At 14:00 GMT+1 we will have SS13 Ringsaker good long 27.30km.

Then at 15:10 the live special of only 1.14km and that's all for today.

[René]

The problem was that he was not fast enough! :D :s mokin:

I agree with you Brother John, but now you know why !! :D :p

[Finni]

possible yes, but you never know.

Be it as it may, the general rule is that all the guys are losing more than normally for drivers who are coming after in starting order. There no more huge effect between Loeb-Bosse-Mikko, but certainly few seconds at least.

Btw: Loeb's split times for previous ss are quite consistent.

[WRC2006]

Latvala gets more than 10s faster than the previous drivers on a so short stage :eek:

Is this because it is on snow rally or he has the same pace even on gravel?

[Bruno Portela]

Impressive pace from Latvala and H. Solberg

[Madeira]

Carlsson has lost lot of time, now I believe that Pons will catch him!

[Wim_Impreza]

I think Pons can pass Carlsson after this stage.

[Tomi]

Be it as it may, the general rule is that all the guys are losing more than normally for drivers who are coming after in starting order. There no more huge effect between Loeb-Bosse-Mikko, but certainly few seconds at least.

Btw: Loeb's split times for previous ss are quite consistent.

thanks for the info, but the top drivers is coming quite late, also they are normaly running pretty much same line, by then the line is quite clean, there is offcourse a small difference, but if the time difference is 2-3 sec, it can be because of what ever.

[Helstar]

What the heck is doing Carlsson, problems with the car or what ?
In this stage even slower than the first runner....

6 A. MIKKELSEN +13.9
7 D. CARLSSON +18.2

He is really the delusion of this rally :\

[Tom206wrc]

Galli lost very much !!! :s

[Helstar]

OMG what happened to Gigi ^^;;

[Brother John]

What the heck is doing Carlsson, problems with the car or what ?
In this stage even slower than the first runner....

6 A. MIKKELSEN +13.9
7 D. CARLSSON +18.2

He is really the delusion of this rally :\

Problem can be in the head ore the new codriver?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ahhhhh!!!!!! :o

[pino]

Noooooo :(

[Roy]

What the heck is doing Carlsson, problems with the car or what ?
In this stage even slower than the first runner....

He is really the delusion of this rally :\

"The car is all right. It is just the set-up in my head that doesn't work perfectly yet," explained Carlsson http://www.wrc.com/page/News/BreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~983347,00.html

I think it is his new codriver. A Frenchman who talks English to him. Carlsson is Swedish and normaly he had a Swedish co. (I lost the name).

[Bruno Portela]

What happened to Gigi???

[Tomi]

Problem can be in the head ore the new codriver?

i belive you are right

[pino]

Rally radio plays music insted of telling what happened...

:mad:

[René]

"The car is all right. It is just the set-up in my head that doesn't work perfectly yet," explained Carlsson http://www.wrc.com/page/News/BreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~983347,00.html

I think it is his new codriver. A Frenchman who talks English to him. Carlsson is Swedish and normaly he had a Swedish co. (I lost the name).

Denis Giraudet

[Tomi]

loeb did not come t finins

[jonkka]

Where is Loeb?

[WRC2006]

Rally radio plays music insted of telling what happened...

:mad:

I am used on that?!!!

[Bruno Portela]

Where's Loeb?????????????

[Tom206wrc]

Where's Loeb ???? :eek: :eek: :s

[White Sauron]

Damn... With Loeb off the rally... Now it's really dangerous situation for Mikko and tea-orders...

[pino]

+8min ????

[KKS]

8 min it's over :(

[Bruno Portela]

Loeb +8:06.8

[jonkka]

Loeb is human afterall??!

[GigiGalliNo1]

LOEB hahahahahahha 11th!!

[Madeira]

Game over!

[mdesign]

What will wilson do now? that figth for victory could ruin a 18 point to the manu championship....

[mdesign]

What will wilson do now? that figth for victory could ruin a 18 point to the manu championship....

[Erki]

Excuse me...

what happened to Wilson? and where's Sordo?

[peterpz]

What will wilson do now? that figth for victory could ruin a 18 point to the manu championship....

NO team orders!!! If he do it I'll kill him!! :D

[pino]

Gigi went off, the same for Loeb...

[WRC2006]

Is loeb have shares in this forum?

Already he is out, already I start to have problem with this page? Is it me or the page?

[WRC2006]

Is loeb has shares in this forum?

Already he is out, already I start to have problem with this page? Is it me or the page?

[Tomi]

now it really sucks that Latvala got the time penalty :(

[Helstar]

Incredible. An error from Loeb. He does that one time in a whole year normally.

I wonder if it was the same junction where Gigi got stucked too ?

[White Sauron]

I suspect all members of this forum will be ready to kill Wilson if there're any team orders...

[noel157]

Tomi said "now it really sucks that Latvala got the time penalty"

But would he have driven as hard if he hadn't got the 60 secs? Hard to know?

[[WRCRR]]

Any info what happened to Loeb and Galli?

[Mauri A]

What will wilson do now? that figth for victory could ruin a 18 point to the manu championship....
There are two possibilities:
Freeze positions or let Bosse pass.

[Corny]

Good Loeb's out for the championship..
Solberg brothers battle for third :D

[Helstar]

The forum got stucked in some ditch too :p

I wonder why it freezes from time to time, we are not so many people in this moment I think. Maybe bandwidth is not enough.

[Corny]

I he will not give team orders.. Marcus will realize himself Mikko's too quick

[GigiGalliNo1]

yeh forum crapped it self! had to re boot computer!

what happened to Galli!?

[[WRCRR]]

I suspect all members of this forum will be ready to kill Wilson if there're any team orders...

I think it is pretty clear there will be "team orders" - not official ones of course, but Hirvonen will just keep 90% speed for the rest of the rally and Bosse will pass him smoothly...probably Hirvonen will complain about "wrong tire choice" or something like that :)

But of course this is the rational thing to do...in fact - the only thing to do...

[Tomi]

i hope for freeze, but what ever the desition is, everyone knows Mikko won this by driving.

[Finni]

I don't thin that Wilson will give any team orders. He said that if Mikko can keep his driving together for the finnish it will be turning-point in Mikko's career. rather I suspect, if there was any order, it would be for marcus to calm down and let Mikko win.

[Mauri A]

Tomi said "now it really sucks that Latvala got the time penalty"

But would he have driven as hard if he hadn't got the 60 secs? Hard to know?
90 secs!

[Bruno Portela]

NO team orders!!! If he do it I'll kill him!! :D

I foresee some killing!!!!!

[GigiGalliNo1]

I think that Marcus will not fight Mikko anymore

[pino]

yeh forum crapped it self! had to re boot computer!

what happened to Galli!?

He went off and he's now in 7th pos :(

[Tomi]

ss13 running

[Wim_Impreza]

He went off and he's now in 7th pos :(

But he can catch Stohl :)

[GigiGalliNo1]

He went off and he's now in 7th pos :(

Yeh I know that!! :(

But any reason why? maybe they said on radio!? :(

[Nikey]

Rally radio plays music insted of telling what happened...

:mad:

If you mean the norwegean radio, at least it plays good music. Besides, I can´t understand single thing they say.

[pino]

Yeh I know that!! :(

But any reason why? maybe they said on radio!? :(

I know why, but I better don't post it :p :

[emk]

There wont come an order... Or Bosse wont take the first place even if ordered? Mikko has been quicker and I think that's something Grönholm respects...

[Tomi]

There wont come an order... Or Bosse wont take the first place even if ordered? Mikko has been quicker and I think that's something Grönholm respects...

right, i think so too.

[Helstar]

I know why, but I better don't post it :p :
Andiamo ... ;)

Stesso "errorino" del rally precedente ?

[White Sauron]

Freeze positions, please!!!

[Finni]

I would find it as quite surprising if Grönholm would accept freezing of positions.

[Brother John]

I know why, but I better don't post it :p :

Pino I think I know why. :D I´m not will post It! :laugh: :s mokin:

[pino]

If you mean the norwegean radio, at least it plays good music. Besides, I can´t understand single thing they say.

I meant the WRC radio ;) Maybe I should switch to Norwegean one ;)

[Erki]

Slowson?
Sordo?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Pino I think I know why. :D I´m not will post It! :laugh: :s mokin:

Pino? An error from the last rally as Helstar asked?

[Finni]

It seems to be same case again: there is much snow on the road and road-position is highly reflected in times. Bit boring.

[Tomi]

I know why, but I better don't post it :p :

Ogni bel gioco dura poco :)

[Jaanus]

Slowson?
Sordo?

What do you think happened to them?
I can give you a hint. There have been hardly any mechanical problems this weekend.

[Mauri A]

I would find it as quite surprising if Grönholm would accept freezing of positions.
Life is full of surprises.

[jonkka]

Hanninen?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ogni bel gioco dura poco :)

Me no comprende....something about hard, a little game? wat lol

[Addicted]

Is it fact that Loeb went off or was technical?

And about top2, I hope Malcolm let them fight it all the way to the end. Team orders sucks.

[Erki]

What do you think happened to them?
I can give you a hint. There have been hardly any mechanical problems this weekend.

I guess they went off road then?
I had a long sleep today, missed a few stages. :\

[Bruno Portela]

Hanninen?

Problems, but going again

[Nikey]

EDIT

[Integrale]

Henning is going to pass his brother!

[Dilek]

Loeb lost that time because he went off on a junction and had to wait for spectators to push him back to road

[Corny]

Malcolm Wilson is probably the most followed guy in the world of rallying, the coming hours

[Brother John]

HÄNNINEN went off???

[WRC2006]

Henning is pushing to kick out his brother? this is not fair between brothers?!!! Haaaaaaa!!!!

[Halvis]

Henning going very fast now - might pass Petter on this SS! Pity he picked too short spikes on the monster stage this morning.

[Christina]

loeb off again?

[White Sauron]

No!!!! Already!!! So early??? Team orders? Nooo((

[René]

1 Sébastien Loeb/Daniel Elena (Citroen C4)
Towards the beginning of the stage I just went a little bit deep in a left hand corner. And I think that put some snow into the air intake so my car lost about 100 horsepower. There was nothing I could do. It was a real struggle, so I just had to drive slowly to the end.

it was in the stage 11

[Wim_Impreza]

Difficult to say who will be the first Citroën driver at the finish.

[Wim_Impreza]

Difficult to say who will be the first Citroën driver at the finish.

[WRC2006]

What is wrong with this page? I had to restart my computer 2 times?

Is this the Loeb's effect?

[pino]

Gigi said he went off because he couldn't see anything....

[GigiGalliNo1]

haha loebs effect! mayb yeh my computer or this forum is annoying not working!

[WRC2006]

Already team order is in force?!!!

See the time Mikko is loosing now in the split time?!!!

[noel157]

What is wrong with this page? I had to restart my computer 2 times?

Is this the Loeb's effect?

Same for most of us. Takes 60 secs to refresh.

[jonkka]

What is wrong with this page? I had to restart my computer 2 times?

Restarting your computer has no effect at all as problem is on server.

[mdesign]

mikko recovers time! great!

[pino]

Gigi said he went off because he couldn't see anything....

[WRC2006]

Restarting your computer has no effect at all as problem is on server.

Why it happened in the same time with Loeb's failure? Or the server is connected to Loeb's split time?!

[Finni]

Marcus lost one junction..

[White Sauron]

Mikko is a hero!!! Don't listen to Wilson, Mikko!!! Fight to the end!!!!

Eye of the tiger in the thrill fo the fight,
Rising up to the chanllenge of our rivals!
And the last known surviver stalks his prey in the night,
And his waitching us all with the eye.... of the Tiger!!!

[Erki]

There are just so many people reading these forums that the strain on the server is pretty big. That's why it slows down.

[Integrale]

Where will SS15 be seen live?

[GigiGalliNo1]

it's pretty popular this weekend!

[pino]

Mikko Don't listen to Wilson, Mikko!!! Fight to the end!!!!



...and lose the Job :s

[Helstar]

Two consecutive errors. Unbelievable. But we better don't start to see Loeb as a human, in the future rallies. He's still The Bot, just a little bit short-circuited by snow freezing :)

[cyd]

NO team orders!!! If he do it I'll kill him!! :D

Thank you! :D

[GigiGalliNo1]

...and lose the Job :s

That is what I was thinking, if Mikko is told to let Marcus go ahead of him, Mikko doesn't listen, then he might loose his job! eek

[WRC2006]

Time to upgrade the server now as we discover that Loeb is human after all and more people are attempted to follow the rally when Loeb is struggling or is out.

I didn't realise that Loeb is the star at this stage?

[Jaanus]

It seems the laptop guys have done it again. Just like Pentti said, everything that the Xsara was good at has been destroyed in the C4. Loeb is sitting too far from the dashboard and can't see the road. It maybe gives good handling, but if you can't see you go off and loose several minutes. I expect a lot more mistakes from Loeb this year.

[WRC2006]

Two consecutive errors. Unbelievable. But we better don't start to see Loeb as a human, in the future rallies. He's still The Bot, just a little bit short-circuited by snow freezing :)

Haaaaaaa!!!!!!!

[Helstar]

Stage live in a couple of minutes, video stream on WRC+

[KKS]

Where will SS15 be seen live?

see 27-28 page

[opplevelse]

Advice needed:
I'm thinking of going up to watch the rally tomorrow, leaving Oslo at about 6:30am, which should put me near lillehammer around 8:30-9amish. I've never been to a rally before and so I'm not sure where to go to watch. I was thinking I should go to watch SS16, will I be too late? and where is the best viewing spots? Perhaps this should be asked in a new thread ... any advice at all would be appreciated!

Cheers
James

[WRC2006]

I can't remember really the last time we had such excitement on the Saturday?!!!

[pino]

Advice needed:
I'm thinking of going up to watch the rally tomorrow, leaving Oslo at about 6:30am, which should put me near lillehammer around 8:30-9amish. I've never been to a rally before and so I'm not sure where to go to watch. I was thinking I should go to watch SS16, will I be too late? and where is the best viewing spots? Perhaps this should be asked in a new thread ... any advice at all would be appreciated!

Cheers
James

Post a thread in http://forums.motorsport.com/forums/for ... orumid=138 (

here

[White Sauron]

I can't remember really the last time we had such excitement on the Saturday?!!!

Hope, Mr.Wilson won't stop it tomorrow...

[pino]

Oppelevelse post a thread in here :



http://forums.motorsport.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=138

[Tomi]

Advice needed:
I'm thinking of going up to watch the rally tomorrow, leaving Oslo at about 6:30am, which should put me near lillehammer around 8:30-9amish. I've never been to a rally before and so I'm not sure where to go to watch. I was thinking I should go to watch SS16, will I be too late? and where is the best viewing spots? Perhaps this should be asked in a new thread ... any advice at all would be appreciated!

Cheers
James

go in good time, so that you are on spot atleast 1hour before it starts, difficult to give advise where you should spectate, look some corner, and stay on the inside, so you dont get hit if someone goes off.

[Helstar]

Stream started the stage is live !

[COD]

It is not nice to say this, but Loeb mistakes are really good for the championship.

[GigiGalliNo1]

yup watching it!

[cyd]

Live SuperSpecial stage on Eurosport2 tomorrow 9:00 GMT :D :D :D

[WRC2006]

Hope, Mr.Wilson won't stop it tomorrow...

You are right and tomorrow all the long stages will be ran again. Oh ****.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Why is there only WRC Radio, not normal commentary? :(

[Tomi]

the link to the stream, does anyone have?

[KKS]

the link to the stream, does anyone have?

mms://a198.l2054656197.c20546.g.lm.akam ... ctor:56197 (mms://a198.l2054656197.c20546.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/198/20546/v0001/reflector:56197)

[opplevelse]

Thanks all, I've started a thread here:
http://forums.motorsport.com/forums/showthread.php?p=202865#post202865

Really appreciate any advice, as I don't speak Norwegian particullarly well!

BTW, I'm an Aussie living in Norway, so look out for the Australian flag tomorrow :D

[Tomi]

sue me ;)

[noel157]

Thanks all, I've started a thread here:
http://forums.motorsport.com/forums/showthread.php?p=202865#post202865

Really appreciate any advice, as I don't speak Norwegian particullarly well!

BTW, I'm an Aussie living in Norway, so look out for the Australian flag tomorrow :D

Enjoy yourself and make sure you wave to Atko!!

[Bruno Portela]

Apart from WRC+ how can we watch it live?

[White Sauron]

You are right and tomorrow all the long stages will be ran again. Oh ****.

Actually, Mikko won two of three "real" tomorrow tests, so... if no team orders, I suppose that watching for splits he can finish at top.

[Halvis]

To those who doesn't have WRC+, NRK is broadcasting live on the web, just follow this link:

http://www1.nrk.no/nyhetsspiller/type/pipe/verdi/26/tab/nyheter

Commentators are norwegian of course, but you have sound!

[Helstar]

cut
You better edit the link .... there are some WRC.com guys surfing the forum and he sends you a pvt menacing Copyright Infringement etc.

edit: Tomi you too, you should be still in time ^^

[WRC2006]

To those who doesn't have WRC+, NRK is broadcasting live on the web, just follow this link:

http://www1.nrk.no/nyhetsspiller/type/pipe/verdi/26/tab/nyheter

Commentators are norwegian of course, but you have sound!

Thanks man, the sound is enough for me!!!!!

[opplevelse]

Enjoy yourself and make sure you wave to Atko!!
Thanks ... I'll wave to him assuming he doesn't crash out again ... the kid needs a little more maturity I think.

[opplevelse]

Atkinson up now, (watching on NRK1) -1.4 on Calsonn a good stage,.

[opplevelse]

Solberg a full 2 seconds faster than Atkinson - he takes the stage lead.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Yeh i'm watching the coverage! good drives so far! :D

[GigiGalliNo1]

well done garde!

one window with splits, another with broadcast and another with forum! :D

[jonkka]

Is that WRC+ stream?

[GigiGalliNo1]

yeh =)

[GigiGalliNo1]

loeb start stage

[jonkka]

Bloody bad pic quality, now I know not to pay for that.

[pino]

Please Guys do not post the WRC+ stream link...thanks :)

[GigiGalliNo1]

It's fine! WRC+ is fantastic! I'm a greatefull subscriber =D

[GigiGalliNo1]

Mikko Mikko Mikko!

Galli Galli Galli!

[jonkka]

Which was faster, Toni's scandinavian flicks or Marcus' nose first approach? lol

[Robinho]

not sure if this has been asked already but i don't fancy reading the whole thread, but with Seb unlikely to get back into the points will Horvonen be allowed to win or will he have to yield to Marcus to make sure he picks up maximum points in the fight against Loeb?

i'd hope Mikko is allowed to stay in front, as long as he can do, it would be a cruel way to lose a first victory having driven so well so far

[Integrale]

Mikko won Australia last year.

[jonkka]

It is not Mikko's first win (see Australia 2006) but true, it would be cross unjustice to force him yield now. For Ford the manu champ is the target so fight must end now but let Marcus cope with two points less.

[GigiGalliNo1]

haha!!!

I wrote WRC radio to say hello to everyone!!! and they said it!! so gooo mee! :P lol

[KKS]

You better edit the link .... there are some WRC.com guys surfing the forum and he sends you a pvt menacing Copyright Infringement etc.

edit: Tomi you too, you should be still in time ^^


How i may edit my post?

[consti]

hi to you commentators!
and yes it`s a great battle, let`s hope hirvonen can win!

[Helstar]

i'd hope Mikko is allowed to stay in front, as long as he can do, it would be a cruel way to lose a first victory having driven so well so far
It wouldn't be first victory as Mikko won in Australia last year, but it's always a victory, a deserved one 'til now. So win the best, not the 'team rules'.

[klm-607]

http://enormouslysideways.net/

Especially good for US resident where rally is virtually unknown.

Updated site: http://www.enormouslysideways.net/DoubleUAreSea/

[WRC2006]

Marcus has to maximise point as much as possible.

So Mikko has to slow down and let Marcus win the rally but with the condition that Marcus retire this year and Mikko is No 1 in Ford next year.

[klm-607]

Loeb off again, out of contention
Norway : SS 13 - 27.31 km
[17/02/07 - 15:03]

Hirvonen and Ford dominating in Norway!

The penultimate stage of the second leg saw more drama for Championship leader Sebastien Loeb while the BP Ford World Rally Team continued to dominate.

Marcus Gronholm piped rally leader Mikko Hirvonen by three-tenths of a second to record the stage win with a time of 16:29.7. Gronholm, who now trails Hirvonen by 21 seconds made a small error as he missed a junction while Hirvonen himself lost a little time as well. “He is not so far away so we are still racing,” Hirvonen said of his battle with Gronholm. “Sebastien (Loeb) got back on the road just in front of us and we lost some seconds.”

Loeb was pushing hard once again in his Citroen C4 looking to make up as much time as he could on Juho Hanninen's (then) tenth position. Loeb of course lost eight minutes, and third position, after going off on SS12. Loeb however did not have a trouble-free run, going off once again five kilometres into the stage. The championship leader lost another some nine minutes and his hopes of points are now over.

“I went straight in the junction and went in the snow bank and I was stuck and lost eight minutes,” Loeb said of his last stage. “Then we tried hard for eighth (position and the final point) as we had nothing to lose and we lost again!”

The Petter, Henning Solberg battle over third position continued with the Stobart Ford driver narrowing the gap from 12.9 seconds to 9.3 seconds on the Subaru driver. Henning Solberg was third fastest on the stage just ahead of Petter while Toni Gardemeister set the fifth fastest time. “I try my best but I went off two times,” Henning Solberg said, “but I try, I do my best.”

Petter Solberg was just happy to finish the stage without losing too much time. “We have a problem with the car so it has been difficult. Luckily I did not lose more, but I am not getting the drive.”

Gigi Galli was sixth fastest and despite complaining of visibility problems, was able to pull seven seconds out of Manfred Stohl in the battle over sixth position. Jari-Matti Latvala was seventh fastest and remains in P5 overall. “I can't go any faster, the conditions are so difficult,” Latvala explained. “There is so much snow that has collected through the front of the car.”

Daniel Carlsson was just 11th fastest in his OMV Kronos Citroen and by his own admission was not driving particularly well on the stage. The result drops him out of the top eight with Xavier Pons taking the position in his Lancer WR05 with his tenth fastest time.

Another driver in trouble was Juho Haninen who started the stage in tenth position overall in his Lancer WR05 but would lose over three minutes after going off dropping to 13th position overall. “I was pushing very hard, but it was a very stupid mistake, very stupid.”

The drivers now head to the short 1.15km Hamar stage for the final stage of the second leg which begins at 15.10 CET.

Earl ALEXANDER
© CAPSIS International

[David V]

haha!!!

I wrote WRC radio to say hello to everyone!!! and they said it!! so gooo mee! :P lol

HAHA
I heard it! Thanks :D

[ste898]

The great man has fallen(well Loeb is supposed to be)............fastastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GigiGalliNo1]

HAHA
I heard it! Thanks :D

I was going to give them a list of people's names to read like Pino, and Helstar and Don Jippo and everyone of course and so happy they read it :D But didn't mention from who but now you know! me!! haha :)

[Zico]

The great man has fallen(well Loeb is supposed to be)............fastastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want Marcus to win too... but celebrating somones demise is very sad, Why do you hate Sebastian so much?

[WRC2006]

I want Marcus to win too... but celebrating somones demise is very sad, Why do you hate Sebastian so much?

I don't know the last time (if not the first time) , this man has been suffering like today?

[Slipzen]

Will Loeb be first on the road tomorrow?

[GigiGalliNo1]

I don't really, nice to see him outta the big top ten picture....... :D but do you think he'll do a Monte and restart and come 2nd? Like he did a while back? :( hope not! Vai Gigi and Go Mikko! :)

I have to get a photo like this in Japan, NZ or Greece this year! :D i just love it!

[Robinho]

forgot Mikko won last year, shows how much attention i've paid the WRC the last couple of years, like many i suspect!

agree he should be allowed to stay in front, Ford want the Manu champ and at this stage of the season, not knowing what could happen later, it is probably best to kep both drivers in contention for the title, who knows, maybe Mikko might keep winning?!

[GigiGalliNo1]

oh yeh and in this photo: there's me back there on the right taking photos!! :D

I'm working towards this dream! =D I have connections ;)

[N.O.T]

It will be nice to see jow Loeb will react in the next few rounds....This will be the first time that he will have pressure on his shoulders being so far behind inthe championship. We might see what he is really made og.

[WRC2006]

Did you read the official WRC website?

Even the reporter there is wondering for the team order in Ford clan for tomorrow. Here is the extract in french version :

" ...the real thing is that the positions remain fixed like they are today, Mikko Hirvonen amply is deserving to hang its name on winner's list with a victory in this event. Let us hope for him, that in the optics of the championship standings - where we can think that Marcus will have more ease to defend his chances on all the grounds - Ford does not ask '' unofficially '' its pilots to exchange their positions......"

Source : http://www.rally-live.com/wrc/fr/accueil/news1.shtml

[N.O.T]

I think that Hirvonen dserves the win..he showed winning pace from the start...but i will not blame ford if they apply team orders....

I think +2, -2 points for Gronholm will not make much of a difference...after all being -2 or +2 behind the Champion at the end of the year doesn't really say anything...does it?

[Snublefot]

Anyone know if Pinomäki had problems in he first stages? Much better times now




If I remember correctly, it was Pinomäki that was off the road 100meters from where I stood on ss1. A tricky right over crest into left into small bridge.

Sokolov also went off there. They went wide over the crest.

[JCarlosPP]

I think that Hirvonen dserves the win..he showed winning pace from the start...but i will not blame ford if they apply team orders....

I think +2, -2 points for Gronholm will not make much of a difference...after all being -2 or +2 behind the Champion at the end of the year doesn't really say anything...does it?


If only he had those points in final standings last year, so don´t make any diference now but and the end of the season?

[Tomi]

con gratz mikko

[Tom206wrc]

Very good from Ford !!! Four Focus in the top 5 !!! :up:

Will Henning be able to pass his young brother for podium ?? :p :

[Tom206wrc]

Will Loeb be first on the road tomorrow?



Normally yes, but Citroën could get a derogation from FIA, I presume, and then let Anders Kjaer for road sweeper :rolleyes:

[Magnus]

Well: two points can mean everything. Look att Petter in 03 and Loeb in 06!

[Erki]

I think +2, -2 points for Gronholm will not make much of a difference...after all being -2 or +2 behind the Champion at the end of the year doesn't really say anything...does it?

I would prefer to be -2 points behind the champion. :D

[White Sauron]

Hourah! Wise decision by Wilson!!! Mikko on voittaja!

[Toto]

I find it strange that so many are speculating about team-orders when there wont be any.. you make it seem like marcus would be so bad driver that he desperately needs these two extra points.

[swordsman]

According to multiple sources I've talked to this evening the stages were not in any way cleaned of snow. No snow-plough - and heavy snowfall! Many of the competitiors are irritated on that...

If those things are correct it's really a minus to the organisers. Those sportsmen going first on the road may not be very happy not to get a real chance...

What do you guys think?

[René]

Someone know which reason for the Gardemeister's retirement after the 14 stage ?

[Tomi]

According to multiple sources I've talked to this evening the stages were not in any way cleaned of snow. No snow-plough - and heavy snowfall! Many of the competitiors are irritated on that...

If those things are correct it's really a minus to the organisers. Those sportsmen going first on the road may not be very happy not to get a real chance...

What do you guys think?

Without knowing who has been crying, its good to remember that the drivers had whole friday time to make good start position for today, and propably had good positions to start on friday as well.

[Woodeye]

It will be nice to see jow Loeb will react in the next few rounds....This will be the first time that he will have pressure on his shoulders being so far behind inthe championship. We might see what he is really made og.

Just wait for the tarmac rounds of the championships... This rally just showed that all people do make mistakes from time to time. Even Seb.

[Snublefot]

According to multiple sources I've talked to this evening the stages were not in any way cleaned of snow. No snow-plough - and heavy snowfall! Many of the competitiors are irritated on that...

If those things are correct it's really a minus to the organisers. Those sportsmen going first on the road may not be very happy not to get a real chance...

What do you guys think?



I was a bit surprised that it was not plowed on ss9 this morning, but to be honest, it was not that much snow there either. 2-4 cm max where I was. It was snowing so I think some of the drivers were complaining too much.
I would have preferred it to be plowed of course.

I really can't believe the organisers forgot to plow out of ignorance. Can it be a valid reason? Too many spectators entering the stage etc?
I don't know.
Maybe some info about this will come after the rally.

I heard Latvala on the radio when he said 20cm on the road. That was just BS. Maybe on ss11 in places the wind had driven the snow the last hour, but he said that long before that ss anyway.

[alleskids]

Well: two points can mean everything. Look att Petter in 03 and Loeb in 06!


If Marcus had scored more points in Australia, or even had won, Loeb would have came back in action in Wales or even in New Zealand, to score the points needed for the title. So the -1 in 2006 is not quite the honest view. But sure, every point can count. Even Marcus could have an accident and then suddenly Hirvone wil be teamleader, and it would be same embarrising if he missed it by 2 points giving the win away in Norway.
Only in the second halve of the season teams can look at teamorders.

[pentti]

I was in Ireland yesterday and today in my rally school here in Uk.So I only now started to read your excellent info.Very exiting.It has taken long time my boys Mikko and J-M to performe. Also if I would be team boss for Ford, I would defintly order Mikko to move over. After all that investment It would make perfect sense to issue team orders or is there any body in forum thinking that suddenly Mikko is the better option to win WRC.

[pentti]

I also think Xsara is better handling car.C4 has spare wheel in wrong place and driver is sitting too low and too back. Also track is too wide.Specially hindering in snow.

[White Sauron]

I was in Ireland yesterday and today in my rally school here in Uk.So I only now started to read your excellent info.Very exiting.It has taken long time my boys Mikko and J-M to performe. Also if I would be team boss for Ford, I would defintly order Mikko to move over. After all that investment It would make perfect sense to issue team orders or is there any body in forum thinking that suddenly Mikko is the better option to win WRC.

Hm... I think Mikko is the best Ford' investment. If they allow him to win now, he'll get confidence and can become a great Gronholm' successor.

[bigtom]

Its Brilliant to see Mikko leading, and from what i can gather, ford are either gonna let the guys race, or tell them to hold position and play it safe. I think team orders shouldn't be used, especially not so early in the season. What if Hirvonen emerges as the bigger threat to loeb and has given away points early on to his team "leader".

I hope Mikko carries this form through to mexico and gets a solid result there also. But i do feel that over the season length its gonna take some serious doing to stop Loeb and his new car.

[COD]

If I remember correctly, it was Pinomäki that was off the road 100meters from where I stood on ss1. A tricky right over crest into left into small bridge.

Sokolov also went off there. They went wide over the crest.

I read Pinomäki had brake troubles, thus the off. Also rear axel broke. Then today suspension arm broke


Someone know which reason for the Gardemeister's retirement after the 14 stage ?.

He said on interview in Finnish TV that he might stop after todays stages because he is so much behind. Not many new stages to learn tomorrow

[Slipzen]

Normally yes, but Citroën could get a derogation from FIA, I presume, and then let Anders Kjaer for road sweeper :rolleyes:

Loeb will be first on the road tomorrow! Start list is now official.

[Roy]

Loeb will be first on the road tomorrow! Start list is now official.


http://www.rallynorway.com/en/competitors/published_docs07.html

[ste898]

Well I hope Ford get dealt with serverly by the FIA if team orders are issed against Mikko as it would be disapraceful!!!!

[ste898]

I have heard everything now.....the drivers need the stages ploughed for them what next I ask!!!!!!!

[alleskids]

video from Rally Norway http://www.cronospeed.com.br/modules/news/article.php?storyid=8234

[DonJippo]

I have heard everything now.....the drivers need the stages ploughed for them what next I ask!!!!!!!

That's how roads are kept open during the winter you know....

[A.F.F.]

Heh....

What do you know. Loeb went wide, not once but twice and the Ford-kids just keep on running :D

Well, life is splendid. I hope Wilson let things be untouched and we would see if Marcus can rock Mikko's first win via driving with champs. Should Mikko win this weekend, it's going to be a boost for his selfconfidence and very well earned victory :up:

Jari-Matti has also been in fire. This weekend has been a real eye-opener and probably not only for me.

Only thing what shades the perfecct weekend is Garde's mistake and Hänninen's drive. it of course may be that I expected more then I should. :mark:

Oh, and good job by Marcus of course.

[A.F.F.]

Double post

[A.F.F.]

Apparently triple post.

[Fischer]

Loeb making mistakes, is this a dream?

[GigiGalliNo1]

video from Rally Norway http://www.cronospeed.com.br/modules/news/article.php?storyid=8234

Thank for the link! :D

Where do you guys get access to those vids?

[cosmicpanda]

Hehe, few years ago NZrally got a stage of 59 km.. (paparoa I think it was)
Loeb should've lost a lot of time there, the times he drove it :D


They used that stage in the National championship last year. Good viewing spots on it :up:


But don't forget the long stage they had in the 2005 rally of Japan. I think it was stage 3 and 7:

http://www.fia.com/sport/Championships/WRC/Stage_Maps/Japan/2005.html

[GigiGalliNo1]

27mins till stage start

[animrallye]

Hello everybody :wave:
96 km to go...

[pino]

Ciao Anim, hello everyone :D

[ProRally]

Good morning everybody, it is going to be a good final day of rally Norway, specially the final stage is going to be a decider... I hope Mikko can pull it of, Marcus get 2nd and lets hope JM can keep it on the road.
After this one we head for sunny viva Mexico

[White Sauron]

Good morning lads! Waiting for the Ford's one-two)

[animrallye]

Ciao Pino :p
Ciao ValentinoGalliNo1 :D How is Perth today ?

[Bruno Portela]

Good morning guys, it's time for the big question: Will there be any team orders?????

[Karbonyl]

Mornin' http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[WRCfan]

Let's hope not, although I want Marcus to win to slow the bore that is Sebastian Loeb winning another championship. However I would like to see Mikko win as well because he has done a fantastic job!

Only time will tell!!!