Will nascar Fine Harvick

[muggle not]

Will nascar fine and penalize Harvick for his language on TV. :)

[Jag_Warrior]

I saw him try to get tough with Montoya after the crash (didn't work), but what did he say?

[harvick#1]

they will both get fined under the rule

actions detrimental to Stock Car Racing

and since when is "ass" a bad word

[Jonesi]

It's probably 50/50, neither has been penalized or on probation this year. If they both go into the oval office and say they right things they may get away with just a lecture.

[harvick#1]

and does it very much matter, they get it all right back at the end of the year

[Erki]

What did he say? I didn't even get to understand what the heck he was talking about. Please, Mr Harvick, can you turn your talk speed down just a little bit? If you continue this way, I'm afraid you won't get a job offer from ESPN/FOX/FX/TNT/ABC/TRA-LA-LA. :)

[harvick#1]

he said he wanted to kick Montoya's ass,

which I don't blame him

[Jonesi]

he said he wanted to kick Montoya's ass,

which I don't blame him

"Ass" isn't one of the 'wrath of FCC' no-no words so he'll probably just get the same fine Montoya gets.

[muggle not]

and does it very much matter, they get it all right back at the end of the year
Not the points they don't. :D

[harvick#1]

so its 25 points then, he still holds 250 over Newman whos in 13th

if Stewart got 25 for saying the s-word, ass should be about 10 points

[dont_be_jack]

There won't be an penalty for the usage of the word "ass", but there will be a penalty for the actions of approaching Montoya and then getting into a shoving match with him. They both will be punished for that.

But I really don't understand why people would get mad at Montoya for this crash. He did nothing wrong and Harvick was the one who got too pissed off and then pissed off JPM.

[muggle not]

There won't be an penalty for the usage of the word "ass", but there will be a penalty for the actions of approaching Montoya and then getting into a shoving match with him. They both will be punished for that.

But I really don't understand why people would get mad at Montoya for this crash. He did nothing wrong and Harvick was the one who got too pissed off and then pissed off JPM.
They penalized Kurt 100 points. Should Harvick get less. for a similar action. :)

[harvick#1]

They Penalized Busch for using his car as a weapon toward Stewart.

Harvick only grabbed Montoya's helmet for a quick second and never pushed him, Montoya was the one pushing Harvick.

Harvick was also mad at Montoya cause he was in 5th and was ready to start challenging the guys and two morons decide to block each other and play bumper tag with each other. Montoya has been doing alot of taking and no giving and Harvick and many others are tired of it.

did you also notice in the race, Monty spin out Johnson also

[Galveston dunes]

Once NASCAR and Keven review the films and realize Keven was wrong and looks like the Ars they should imo let this one go under the bridge.

[harvick#1]

sorry Muggle Not, I know you want to see Harvick get points deductions and fines up the ass, but Nascar is saying none to Harvick and Montoya :p :

http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/headlines/cup/08/12/jmontoya.kharvick.watkins.glen/index.html

[muggle not]

Yeah, Nascar left candy-azz off the hook. Like Tony said:

When asked for his thoughts on the matter, race-winner Stewart said he wasn't impressed.
"I hear they still had the Hans and helmets on ... If you're not going to take 'em off then don't waste everyone's time," Stewart said.

[harvick#1]

I remember a certain Jeffy Poo leave his Hans and Helmet device on at Bristol when he pushed Kenseth :p :

[e2mtt]

I'm glad there wasn't any fines or penalties. Harvick's comments, while crude, aren't on any FCC lists. The pushing and facing off was pretty low key: they both kept their helmets on, nobody grabbed and held on, no big deal. It wasn't a fight. It was an argument.

[race aficionado]

he said he wanted to kick Montoya's ass,

which I don't blame him

Why don't you blame him?

I hope it's not for this incident - unless your still holding grudges from past issues.

:s mokin:

[Erki]

I remember a certain Jeffy Poo leave his Hans and Helmet device on at Bristol when he pushed Kenseth :p :

What's "Hans and Helmet device"? :)

[Aussie12]

Argy-bargy... I love it! That's the best thing I've seen sine Robby G threw his helmet at Mikey... which, btw we got a nice reminder of in the pre-race show.

They'll fine Happy and they'll make an example of him, like they've made an example of other people who have had minor rule infractions this year. The thing I find funny is that they'll get him under section 12-2-A: actions detrimental blah blah blah... but it was replayed five more times before the end of the coverage. Actions detrimental or good publicity?

[JovialJooles]

NASCAR will not be issuing fines to either.

http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/headlines/cup/08/12/jmontoya.kharvick.watkins.glen/index.html

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

I like the way Montoya races. He races everyone hard, why do some drivers bang on about give and take. there is no rule saying you have to give people room or space. I dont remember a certain other black car giving anyone much room. How quickly people forget.

[RaceFanStan]

There will be NO fines or penalties.
Clearly NASCAR's poster boy for international drivers was the aggressor & should get the biggest penalty.
That just isn't going to happen ! http://www.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/icons/tongue-anim.gif

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g202/gr8link/07/42.jpg

[race aficionado]

There will be NO fines or penalties.
Clearly NASCAR's poster boy for international drivers was the aggressor & should get the biggest penalty.
That just isn't going to happen ! http://www.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/icons/tongue-anim.gif

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g202/gr8link/07/42.jpg

Stan.
Why was he the aggressor?
Harvick was the unlucky one to end up on the receiving end but it was not Juan's fault.

Also, Harvick really looked childish. when he parked his car in front of Juan's.

pretty sad sportsmanship - and it's sadder when fans react excitedly about it. :down:

:s mokin:

[Sparky1329]

Neither of them are Robby Gordon so it's no harm, no foul.

[DonnieDarco]

Harvick was a jerk. You get your facts right before you try and start a fight.

[Erki]

Yeah, Montoya is faring pretty well in NA$CAR. :p

[muggle not]

Harvick was a jerk. You get your facts right before you try and start a fight.
His action reminds me of GWB. :)

[luvracin]

Was funny during the yellow a few laps later, when Harvick and Montoya got back on the track...Montoya's car died again an Harvick pulled infront of him as he passed by... I thought he was gonna put it in reverse and back into him(Montoya).

[blakebeatty]

What's "Hans and Helmet device"? :)

He he!

[Alexamateo]

There will be NO fines or penalties.
Clearly NASCAR's poster boy for international drivers was the aggressor & should get the biggest penalty.
That just isn't going to happen ! http://www.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/icons/tongue-anim.gif

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g202/gr8link/07/42.jpg

Stan,

That is an example of a single photograph doesn't tell the whole story. For example, it doesn't show that Harvick pulled in front of Montoya so Montoya couldn't drive off, nor does it show that Harvick got out first and was yelling at Montoya and up in his face. Montoya got out to defend himself and was pushing Harvick away, and was trying to walk away, but Kevin kept getting in his face. Wouldn't you shove Harvick or anyone else for that matter if they were all up in your face?

[race aficionado]

Yeah, Montoya is faring pretty well in NA$CAR. :p
As a matter of fact, he is doing pretty good.

The welcome matt has not been that friendly in many occasions but the fact is that the NASCAR fans are getting to see Juan's talents and demeanor as the season transpires.

He is a pure racer, a true profesional and no matter how many whingers are out there calling for his head, the true cream rises to the top and Juan is on his way.

Go Juan!!!!!!

:s mokin:

[Chandler]

Oh my God... I'm all for this board being about all kinds of racing. I'm even all for people from different countries racing in NASCAR. I think it brings in more fans, and only helps the sport grow.

However, when Montoya makes an ass out of himself, starts pushing people (watch the tape, Harvick never pushed him), and then his owner starts issuing threats of retribution, then all the guys who are F1, Indy, etc. start coming to the NASCAR boards and defending Montoya to the death.

Montoya is a rookie. I don't give a rats ass how he did in Indy or whatever. He drives, in NASCAR, like a rookie. Sure, he's doing fairly decent. But before we all start saying he's the second coming or anything, answer me this: Is he going to make the Chase? How many wins does he have in year one?

The answers are No, and 1. I seem to remember a certain rookie named Tony Stewart in 1999 winning 4 races... I also seem to remember another rookie named Denny Hamlin winning twice and making the Chase last year (also, little known fact, Hamlin actually got more points in last years Chase, but was so far behind after race 1 of the chase that he didn't have a chance at winning).... So before we start elevating Montoya to a pedestal that he doesn't deserve, let's let him earn it first.

Oh, and one more thing, as to Harvick's remark that the 42 has been running over people all year, let's recap, shall we? He has wrecked Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon, Kevin Harvick... he's bumped out of the way unneccesarily Jimmie Johnson and his OWN FREAKING TEAMMATE to win a race. That shows no class, and a recklessness that might get someone hurt.

Again, I'm not saying he's a bad driver. He's a good driver. But, he's a rookie, and he's driving like one. Let's call a spade a spade, and a rookie with very little experience who drives like one, a rookie with very little experience.

Sermon over.

[JovialJooles]

If Juan had managed to keep his foot on the brake pedal, he wouldn't have collected Jeff Burton.

I thought Jeff was very professional during his interview.

[Chandler]

VERY professional, Jov... I remarked to my fiance during that interview that it would be great if Burton got the big chair position at NASCAR when he's done driving. He's a great guy, a very well-spoken, well-mannered gentleman.

[harvick#1]

Harvick was a jerk. You get your facts right before you try and start a fight.

this is the second time Montoya took out Harvick who had a winning car.

Harvick got tired of Montoya getting away with wrecking so many drivers and just stopped him, so he can get a penalty he deserved by going a lap down at least for blocking like an idiot on Truex.

Montoya needs a swift kick in the ass as this is no F1.

he even spun Johnson out and wasn't even trying to pass cleanly on him.


if it was anyone but Montoya, hed be fined and placed on probation for stupid driving

[Erki]

Blocking is good. :up: He was defending his position and just Truex got late with braking. Such thing happen, that's racing, no need to cry your eyes out. :)

[blakebeatty]

he even spun Johnson out and wasn't even trying to pass cleanly on him.


Is it possible that Harv hates someone more than Johnson??? :)

[blakebeatty]

it would be great if Burton got the big chair position at NASCAR when he's done driving.

Ain't that the truth. Definately a man of integrity

[DonnieDarco]

this is the second time Montoya took out Harvick who had a winning car.

Harvick got tired of Montoya getting away with wrecking so many drivers and just stopped him, so he can get a penalty he deserved by going a lap down at least for blocking like an idiot on Truex.

Montoya needs a swift kick in the ass as this is no F1.

he even spun Johnson out and wasn't even trying to pass cleanly on him.


if it was anyone but Montoya, hed be fined and placed on probation for stupid driving


And if it was anyone else but your precious Harvick, you'd be calling it a racing incident. You'll notice that I wasn't in here lambasting anyone from the day before, who helped take JPM out? They happen all the time, its called racing.

[RaceFanStan]

The latest news just in !
Montoya may be dropped by the sponsor Big Red .....
the sponsor was disgusted when they noticed Harvick was clearly a foot taller ..... :eek:
When pressed for a statement, Big Red said they have 2 choices :
1. change the name of their gum to Tickled Pink - or -
2. drop the little driver & sponsor a man-sized driver

Big Red said Montoya looked like "a minature dog nipping at Harvick's heels, it was embarassing !" :laugh:

[e2mtt]

hahaha Stan!

My takes... JPM was doing almost all of the pushing and the hands to the helmets, between the two of them. However, Harvick was obviously doing the talking and accusing. Both admitted as much in the immediate interviews. Harvick had no way of knowing that Montoya got bumped, so he was somewhat justified in thinking Montoya had just attempted a Sato! (stupid over-optimistic pass) and giving Montoya a piece of his mind. Montoya's actions are pretty consistent with self-preservation, while making sure that Harvick heard what he had to say.

Regarding the blocking & contact between JPM & Truex, JPM was running a slightly higher gear ratio then most drivers, because he felt it was faster around the track. However, it was hurting him on restarts & pitstops. Truex was definitely faster then JPM at the restart, so JPM was doing everything possible to avoid getting passed then, knowing that he was faster once they got up to speed.

[muggle not]

A little advice for Harvick, before he tells people he is going to whip their azz he better know who he is talking to. JPM would floor Harvick before Harvick knew what was coming. JPM has a few skills that harvick is unaware of...and I don't mean racing either.

[Sparky1329]

hahaha Stan!

My takes... JPM was doing almost all of the pushing and the hands to the helmets, between the two of them. However, Harvick was obviously doing the talking and accusing. Both admitted as much in the immediate interviews. Harvick had no way of knowing that Montoya got bumped, so he was somewhat justified in thinking Montoya had just attempted a Sato! (stupid over-optimistic pass) and giving Montoya a piece of his mind. Montoya's actions are pretty consistent with self-preservation, while making sure that Harvick heard what he had to say.

Regarding the blocking & contact between JPM & Truex, JPM was running a slightly higher gear ratio then most drivers, because he felt it was faster around the track. However, it was hurting him on restarts & pitstops. Truex was definitely faster then JPM at the restart, so JPM was doing everything possible to avoid getting passed then, knowing that he was faster once they got up to speed.

That's pretty much the way I saw it. That blocking move that JPM threw on Truex was probably not the smartest thing to do. He might wanna rethink doing that in the future. :D

[Aussie12]

I’m really surprised that there were no fines. :eek:

Regardless of who took out whom or who shoved or grabbed helmets, Harvick made the first aggressive move by parking his car in front of Montoya’s. I’m not saying that anyone was right or wrong, but Happy made the first move.

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

Montoya was well within his rights to block Truex. you dont have to let the the guy drive round you if you dont want to, Jesus i dont get this, where did all this christian driving crap come from.

Truex went to pass Montoya blocked Truex couldnt get slowed down in time. Thats racing.

[Chandler]

A little advice for Harvick, before he tells people he is going to whip their azz he better know who he is talking to. JPM would floor Harvick before Harvick knew what was coming. JPM has a few skills that harvick is unaware of...and I don't mean racing either.


Muggle, perhaps you should thank your lucky stars that Montoya didn't pick a fight with Smoke. That'd be one dead Colombian.

[race aficionado]

at this rate someone is going to start comparing dick sizes :rolleyes:

bottom line is that yes, people can let out steam, it is an intense sport, but that grandstanding of blocking Juan's car and then what later ensued was plain unfortunate.

:s mokin:

[muggle not]

Muggle, perhaps you should thank your lucky stars that Montoya didn't pick a fight with Smoke. That'd be one dead Colombian.
Sounds like Harvick talking before knowing the facts. Tony's azz would be grass unless he is a martial art expert like JPM is.

[Chandler]

Sounds like Harvick talking before knowing the facts. Tony's azz would be grass unless he is a martial art expert like JPM is.


Martial Arts vs. Redneck... hmmm, I'm going redneck on that one.

[tstran17_88]

I remember a certain Jeffy Poo leave his Hans and Helmet device on at Bristol when he pushed Kenseth :p :Really!!! All Matt wanted to do was to tell him that he didn't mean to punt him on purpose! ;) Gordo left the helmet on for a reason...in case Matt was going to give him a fat lip in return for the shove...but that's not Matt's style. :up:

[tstran17_88]

The latest news just in !
Montoya may be dropped by the sponsor Big Red .....
the sponsor was disgusted when they noticed Harvick was clearly a foot taller ..... :eek:
When pressed for a statement, Big Red said they have 2 choices :
1. change the name of their gum to Tickled Pink - or -
2. drop the little driver & sponsor a man-sized driver

Big Red said Montoya looked like "a minature dog nipping at Harvick's heels, it was embarassing !" :laugh: :laugh: Big Red might go to Stevie Wallace.

[JovialJooles]

This is hilarious. All of a sudden I feel like I'm back at school. :p

[muggle not]

Montoya and Harvick are still at it:

http://blogs.courant.com/autoracing/2007/08/kevin-harvick-1.html

Kevin Harvick and Juan Pablo Montoya Take Their Feud To Radio On Monday

The confrontation that erupted on the track between Nextel Cup drivers Kevin Harvick and Juan Pablo Montoya during Sunday’s Centurion Boats at the Glen at Watkins Glen (N.Y.) International degenerated into a war of words on the satellite radio airwaves on Monday.
the two continued exchange verbal barbs on Sirius Satellite Radio Monday.
On his own show, The Juan Pablo Montoya Report, Montoya called out Harvick for his well known hot headedness.

“I’m not as passionate as Kevin is, I guess,” Montoya said. “I’m a lot more chill. I don’t know how long he’s been racing for but I’m a little bit more chill about things than him, I guess.”
Montoya said things got personal as the two drivers exchanged words on the track after their wreck.
“Yeah, the thing is when he starts…I’m not even going to say all the things he told me,” Montoya said. “I don’t think it’s got anything to do with the racing actually. You know, when somebody disrespects you personally then you do have an issue. I mean, you’ve just got to stand up for yourself and that’s it.
“. . . You don’t want to be on SportsCenter for things like that but I’m pretty happy with the way I behaved myself. I think I controlled myself pretty good so from that point of view I got to say I’m pretty happy. You know, I was pissed off at the time. I actually got out of the car and said, ‘Dude, it wasn’t even my fault. I got hit from behind. What do you want me to say?’ And, I don’t know, he started screaming and saying things. Then it becomes personal.”
As he did immediately after the race, Harvick continued to call out Montoya’s driving tactics throughout the season 2007 season during an appearance Monday on Tony Stewart live on Sirius.
“It just makes me mad because you have to deal with the guy every week whether it’s him just blasting in there on a restart, he doesn’t care about anybody who races in the series,” Harvick said. “He’s just here to kind of go out and drive around in circles and hope that he doesn’t hit anything on the weekend. That’s the part that makes me mad. You’ve got somebody who really doesn’t care about the sport.”
“I just told him, I said, ‘You know, if you don’t want to race like we race here then maybe you should go back and race Formula One cars. And I’m sure he didn’t appreciate that but that’s just kind of how I felt about the whole thing. I mean, the guy has run over somebody pretty much every week and it’s just hard to go back and look at your guys with your car all tore up when you’re sitting there thinking that you’re going to run in the top five, top three, have a chance to at least race for the win maybe at the end of the race. It just sucks.”

[harvick#1]

Time for RCR to hire Schumacher for the road races to take Juan-a-Wreck out and make him feel right at home at F1 again

[muggle not]

I wonder, will 2 DNF's in the next 4 races knock Harvick out of the "Kenseth Cup".

[Jonesi]

Time for RCR to hire Schumacher for the road races to take Juan-a-Wreck out and make him feel right at home at F1 again

Ralf may just be out of a ride for next year, and he has a better record of running into other cars than his brother. ;-)

BTW What do you think of Childress' radio comment yesterday that he is considering an OW driver for that 4th Cup car?

[Jonesi]

I wonder, will 2 DNF's in the next 4 races knock Harvick out of the "Kenseth Cup".

Probably not, but close. If he has two 15th or better finishs to go with them and that's very likely (he averages about 50% top 10s) he'll still make it. With 4 races to go it's really down to 11th-14th places.

[harvick#1]

um he has Bristol and Richmond left, he will easily win those, he had the car that was class of the field earlier at Richmond before hitting Ragan in the pits and losing track position, but was still the fastest car on the track at the end.

and Bristol, if not a a bad set of tires, he would've won that race in a cakewalk when hamlin and Stewart went out

[MD24]

I wonder, will 2 DNF's in the next 4 races knock Harvick out of the "Kenseth Cup".

DNF or not, I don't think Harvick will make the chase

[RaceFanStan]

I think ALL 3 RCR cars WILL make the Chase. :D :up:

[blakebeatty]

I think ALL 3 RCR cars WILL make the Chase. :D :up:

I agree with that. The only question marks lie upon Earnhardt, Kurt Busch, and Martin Truex, and Ryan Newman

[harvick#1]

only Muggle and MD think Harvick will be out, give me a break, hes got a 250 point lead over 13th in points Ryan Newman, and Ryan normally finishs 20th everyweek, so even if Harvick DNF's he ain't losin much

I think the top 12 is set.