NAPA 200 Montreal race.

[tassiedevilAB]

the first prac is underway & there is nothing on the borad about this historic race,

the top 5 is Robby gordon
ambrose
carpentier
pruett
fellow

but i have a feeling it is all about to change

Gordon & Ambrose have been 1st & 2nd for a long time.
& there are still a lot of drivers that haven't gone out!

[tassiedevilAB]

top 5 pruett
carpentier
gordon
ambrose
said

there is still 8 drivers left to post a time !

[tassiedevilAB]

fox track have said that this is just a test & the first official ones will be friday
is that correct?

[tassiedevilAB]

But there is still 8 cars that have not made it on to the track

[tassiedevilAB]

this is virtually like rookie practice seeing that all are rookies on this track in the stockies!

[tassiedevilAB]

the top 5
carpentier
pruett
said
fellows
gordon & ambrose in a creditable 6th place

[tassiedevilAB]

Its Not Long For Practice 2 To Begin, That Was Fun With All The Changes To The Top 10.

Let's Hope The Next Session Will Be As Full On As That One!

[tassiedevilAB]

start of 2nd prac. & ambrose on his first lap took 1st place

[tassiedevilAB]

after 28 mins of practice the top 5 are
ambrose
valiante
lally
pruett
liecht

[tassiedevilAB]

after 48 mins. the top 5 are
ambrose .............still only done 2 laps
edwards.............. 9
valiante.............. 9
lally.................... 7
pruett............... 6

[tassiedevilAB]

after 1hr & 7 mins
the top5 are

ambrose
gordon
papis
pruett
fellows

[bovic]

Valiante? Atlantics series Valiante?

[tassiedevilAB]

after 2 hrs & 22 mins the top 5 are

fellows
gordon
ambrose
pruett
carpentier

[MD24]

Valiante? Atlantics series Valiante?

Yep

He's driving the 42 Havoline / Xpress Lube Dodge this weekend

[harvick#1]

woohoo Go Fellows, hope he wins :D

[MD24]

It would be nice to see a Canadian win

[Mark in Oshawa]

According to TSN as of Today (the 3rd), Fellows was the fastest, 21 seconds slower than an f1 car. Oh well, it will be 5 times more fun to watch than an f1 race, so it all evens out.

[RaikkonenRules]

Gee John Graham is very slow in the #10. 6 seconds off in his better practice. :eek: Are they sure he is a road racer.

[Jonesi]

According to TSN as of Today (the 3rd), Fellows was the fastest, 21 seconds slower than an f1 car. Oh well, it will be 5 times more fun to watch than an f1 race, so it all evens out.

Amazing how being nearly three times the weight and minus a couple hundred horsepower can slow a race car down. ;-)

[tassiedevilAB]

those sessions were fantastic, this all go well for a great qual & hopefully an equally spectaular race for all the fans that go to the track & watch it in the comfy of there homes.

brakes seem to be a big part of this race & how to keep them from overheating , Judging by what Ambrose has done it looks like he is holding some speed back so not to show his had, he has done the least of laps but still is in the top 3

[tstran17_88]

I like the way they qualifying for this race in groups.

[Sparky1329]

Robby Gordon on the provisional pole so far at 103.171.

[tstran17_88]

Robby was slide-ways there for a bit...I figured he'd put in the wall.

[harvick#1]

woohoo, Grandpa so far on Pole :D

[Jonesi]

Fellows, Said, Hornaday, Pruett, it's a 90s TransAm grid!

[veeten]

Carpentier takes the pole! :D

and 2nd goes to "Mad" Max Papis. :)

[bovic]

Is the live feed working? http://www.nascar.com/

It doesn't here, there's just a lousy music and a weird screen.. Is it like "not available in Canada" ?

[Jonesi]

Carpentier takes the pole! :D

and 2nd goes to "Mad" Max Papis. :)

Actually at least 10 of the top 12 have extensive roadracing experience. This should be a great race OR a crash fest.

[Jonesi]

Is the live feed working? http://www.nascar.com/
It doesn't here, there's just a lousy music and a weird screen.. Is it like "not available in Canada" ?

This is, if you just want T&S:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/busch/foxTrax

[bovic]

This is, if you just want T&S:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/busch/foxTrax

The Nascar feed is ok now :cool:

[Cole_Trickle]

Is that Garry Gerauld dong the pit reporting? haven't heard himfor a while, good stuff, Allen Bestwick is good too :)

[harvick#1]

Fellows is lookin racey, hes flyin

[veeten]

Here comes Marcos! :D

[veeten]

Man, he is all over Pruett! :eek:

Great pass for the lead. :D

[Cole_Trickle]

He's going good!


I see 'Tapis' on the wall at Carl Edwards' garage area, a dig at Max Papis?

[Jonesi]

I see 'Tapis' on the wall at Carl Edwards' garage area, a dig at Max Papis?

I was wondering that myself. It was a directional with an arrow. Literal translation might be 'tarps' but that doesn't make sense. Google shows a bunch of references to oil, so it might be showing them where to dump used oil, my best guess.

[RaikkonenRules]

Nic Jonson doing very well in the #28 car. Coloeman also doing well.

[RaikkonenRules]

Jonsson leads.

[RaikkonenRules]

Ambrose leads

[Jonesi]

Too many cars were going off course in different places. Someone has to have put oil down.

[Jonesi]

Robby's been too quiet all race, it's time for him to do something brilliant/stupid! ;-)

[veeten]

130,000 attendance for the weekend. Not bad. :)

Looks and sounds like a successful event to me. :D

[veeten]

Man, all the action happens in the last few laps. :eek: :D

[veeten]

ooohhhh,... methinks Robbie be a bit mad at Marcos. ;) :p :

[Jonesi]

130,000 attendance for the weekend. Not bad. :)

Looks and sounds like a successful event to me. :D

How much better would have been if they were racing on Sunday too?

[Erki]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/busch/foxTrax
Andy Pilgrim is in 3rd place, but isn't that Olivier Beretta in that picture instead? :confused:

[Jonesi]

'Upon further review' it looks like Robby actually made a clean pass, a shame he's going to get moved to the back.

Pruett will have a "talk" with Harvick after the race ;-)

[Erki]

Damn they're swapping places like crazy there! Too bad Motors TV doesn't show NBS this year anymore. :(

[veeten]

Now, that's a finish! :D

[Jonesi]

Robby may just be looking at a suspension for his actions, including Cup.

[Erki]

More time for offroad racing? :D

[Erki]

I hope someone uploads this to youtube for poor souls like me. :)

[harvick#1]

Robby may just be looking at a suspension for his actions, including Cup.

yep, he better find a driver for tomorrow.

what a joke, hes easily getting suspended for that really stupid stunt

[Jonesi]

I hope someone uploads this to youtube for poor souls like me. :)

If you get Cup coverage tomorrow, expect to see several replays in both prerace and during the race.

[Aeronaut]

If we just saw Robbie Gordon's last race in NASCAR I would be fine with that.

[Erki]

If you get Cup coverage tomorrow, expect to see several replays in both prerace and during the race.

Indeed! Nearly forgot Pocono! At least I do get Cup races - that's good. Thanks for reminding me. :up:

[jeffmr2]

Great drive and a fantastic "win" for Robbie

[harvick#1]

you should know that hes gonna get disqualified for the finish (he took the checkers with a black flag)

Harvick won :D

[call_me_andrew]

I'm calling it. Saturday, August 4, 2007 19:94. Robby Gordon is a retard.

[harvick#1]

I can't wait to hear MD24's official statement when he comes back from the track, I believe he sat right by the start/finish line, so he saw everything.

I'm sure he was hoping Patrick would've knocked Harvick out of the lead and for the win, but couldn't

[harvick#1]

I'm calling it. Saturday, August 4, 2007 19:94. Robby Gordon is a retard.

:laugh:

[jeffmr2]

you should know that hes gonna get disqualified for the finish (he took the checkers with a black flag)

Harvick won :D

Yeah i realise that but i think Robbie was the moral winner,it was clear to see on tv the caution flag was being waved when Ambrose spun him out.
I'm suprised harvick wasnt black flagged as well for deliberately spinning out Pruet.

[El Sween]

Gordon should be banned.

Great drive by Carpentier even if he was a bit lucky at the end.

[call_me_andrew]

Yeah i realise that but i think Robbie was the moral winner,it was clear to see on tv the caution flag was being waved when Ambrose spun him out.

They were also waving before Robby passed him in the first place.

[harvick#1]

I'm suprised harvick wasnt black flagged as well for deliberately spinning out Pruet.

I guess you missed the part where Pruett ran him off the road before the hairpin right

[call_me_andrew]

I think it's likely Montreal could get a Cup date.

[jeffmr2]

I guess you missed the part where Pruett ran him off the road before the hairpin right


My take was that was an accidental racing incident,harvicks was intentional.
I've never been that sure about nascar running on road courses but this race has even convinced me that nascar should run more of them,it was a great race :)

[pdalbey]

I posted this on another forum but I will post it here as well....

If Robbie Gordon isn't parked for the rest of the season, NASCAR is actually the most incompotent sanctioning body of any sporting series on the planet. Actually the fact that they actually threw the green flag with Gordon still directly behind Ambrose pretty much solidifies that honor. Was there actually anyone who DIDN'T think that Gordon was going to spin Ambrose out? Basically, NASCAR just gave Ambrose a huge penalty as well.

[Jonesi]

A recap for those not watching. On a GWC restart to the finish Marcos Ambrose & Robby Gordon get through T1-2 clean, while pos3-10? get into each other, with Harvick mostly to blame, and a assist to Pruett. Before the caution comes out Robby makes a gutsy clean move over the curbs to pass MA. In the next Turn he gets spun out, probably after the yellow. Robby has dropped to about 10th by the time he gets going again. He quickly moves up to the front, gives MA a 'very mild' tap in the rear before getting behind the pace car. Nascar chooses not to penalize Ambrose, Harvick, Pruett and maybe a couple more for agressive driving, but wants Robby to move back to the spot he was in when he spun out. He refuses, (they don't red flag until it's sorted out) On the restart he punts MA and motors on to his "win".
Robby got screwed, but his tantrum will probably get him suspended. Harvick doesn't deserve the win (and I'm someone who rarely comments on that), but franky I don't know who does deserve it.
Some great driving by a few, some crappy driving also, some of the same drivers too. Mechanical failures to be expected on a road course. Not a great race, but an entertaining one. It will be a sell out next year.

[Jonesi]

I posted this on another forum but I will post it here as well....

If Robbie Gordon isn't parked for the rest of the season, NASCAR is actually the most incompotent sanctioning body of any sporting series on the planet. Actually the fact that they actually threw the green flag with Gordon still directly behind Ambrose pretty much solidifies that honor. Was there actually anyone who DIDN'T think that Gordon was going to spin Ambrose out? Basically, NASCAR just gave Ambrose a huge penalty as well.

I put the over/under at six week suspension. No Cup points since it was a Busch race, but they may just fine him as both driver & entrant.

[harvick#1]

the problem with this track is that its an F1 track, so most of those turns are 90 degrees, thats just asking for trouble with hevy stockcars with not much downforce compared to the F1 cars.

I liked the track though, the race was pretty good except for the long caution flags and Nascar really doing a piss poor job in not doing anything with the Robby/Marcos deal.

I knew that if Nascar wasn't gonna do something right away at the restart, Ambrose was getting turned, just because Robby's brain is so smallad revenge was the only thing on his mind

[call_me_andrew]

Before the caution comes out Robby makes a gutsy clean move over the curbs to pass MA.

Correction: AFTER the caution came out, Robby made a gutsy move over the curbs to pass MA.

EDIT: I thought it was a pretty good track. I just wish NASCAR wouldn't set pit road speed limits so low on road courses. What they needed the most was a faster pace car.

[Sparky1329]

A recap for those not watching. On a GWC restart to the finish Marcos Ambrose & Robby Gordon get through T1-2 clean, while pos3-10? get into each other, with Harvick mostly to blame, and a assist to Pruett. Before the caution comes out Robby makes a gutsy clean move over the curbs to pass MA. In the next Turn he gets spun out, probably after the yellow. Robby has dropped to about 10th by the time he gets going again. He quickly moves up to the front, gives MA a 'very mild' tap in the rear before getting behind the pace car. Nascar chooses not to penalize Ambrose, Harvick, Pruett and maybe a couple more for agressive driving, but wants Robby to move back to the spot he was in when he spun out. He refuses, (they don't red flag until it's sorted out) On the restart he punts MA and motors on to his "win".
Robby got screwed, but his tantrum will probably get him suspended. Harvick doesn't deserve the win (and I'm someone who rarely comments on that), but franky I don't know who does deserve it.
Some great driving by a few, some crappy driving also, some of the same drivers too. Mechanical failures to be expected on a road course. Not a great race, but an entertaining one. It will be a sell out next year.

Robby did get screwed. I have the race tape that clearly shows his clean pass of Ambrose as the accident was happening behind them and the yellow flag waving when Ambrose spun him. At worse he should've restarted in either first or second. NASCRAP can't even follow it's own rules. He'll probably have h-e-l-l to pay for his actions but he stood up for what was right.

[harvick#1]

A recap for those not watching. On a GWC restart to the finish Marcos Ambrose & Robby Gordon get through T1-2 clean, while pos3-10? get into each other, with Harvick mostly to blame, and a assist to Pruett. Before the caution comes out Robby makes a gutsy clean move over the curbs to pass MA. In the next Turn he gets spun out, probably after the yellow. Robby has dropped to about 10th by the time he gets going again. He quickly moves up to the front, gives MA a 'very mild' tap in the rear before getting behind the pace car. Nascar chooses not to penalize Ambrose, Harvick, Pruett and maybe a couple more for agressive driving, but wants Robby to move back to the spot he was in when he spun out. He refuses, (they don't red flag until it's sorted out) On the restart he punts MA and motors on to his "win".
Robby got screwed, but his tantrum will probably get him suspended. Harvick doesn't deserve the win (and I'm someone who rarely comments on that), but franky I don't know who does deserve it.
Some great driving by a few, some crappy driving also, some of the same drivers too. Mechanical failures to be expected on a road course. Not a great race, but an entertaining one. It will be a sell out next year.


you are missing a couple pieces of info.

1.) Harvick made a clean move on Pruett on the outside, Pruett spotter might have said Harvick was there, but Pruett drove Harvick onto the grass, hense Harvick being angry and punting the 41.

2.) Robby and Marcos were bang bang. the rule book states that you have to maintain caution speed to keep your position, Robby was stopped on the track hense losing all his positions.

3.) Robby did a chickin **** move and took out the guy who deserved the win

[Jonesi]

Correction: AFTER the caution came out, Robby made a gutsy move over the curbs to pass MA.

Has it been officially mentioned? I was kinda of going on Nascar's usual 'slow to throw' reaction time.

[Chris Herr]

I've tried to like Robby since he started racing but he continually disappoints. My guess is a five race suspension and a handful of sponsor lawsuits for his struggling Nextel Cup team. It was really a shame for Marcose Ambrose who was very contained and mature after the race. Robby has always acted like a spoiled 12 year old brat.

[millencolin]

Move Over Sebastien Bourdais and Jacques Villeneuve, i have a new 'Most Hated' driver.

ROBBY GORDON IS A JOKE! A DISGRACE! And if he isn't sidelined after that, then NASCAR officials have rocks in their head. Why did they throw the green when he was right behind Marcos? that was just stupid

Now i'm not a massive NASCAR follower. but i do try to watch the Busch races early on a sunday morning. Marcos did a hell of a job, just that Robby Gordon is a F*CKTARD!!!

[Sparky1329]

Note the yellow flag waving and the yellow light on in the background in this screen shot.

http://www.boomspeed.com/rockysmom/08_04_07MONTRobbyWins.jpg

[muggle not]

I am surely not a Robby Gordon fan, however, he got a royal screwing by Nascar. It was one of the worst calls by Nascar that I have seen.

Robby is the real winner of the Montreal race.

[harvick#1]

I think Robby could've made a claim that he won, if he didn't flat out dump Ambrose on purpose, that was a disgraceful thing to do.

Nascar should've thrown the caution and park his ass from the race.

that was extremely stupid of Robbys behalf and now its almost certain he will be suspended for tomorrow's race

[harvick#1]

Statement from Ramsey Poston, NASCAR Managing Director, Corporate Communications:

“Once the caution came out on Lap 72 the field was frozen. Once the field is frozen, all cars must maintain cautious pace in order to be scored.

“At the time that the field was frozen, the 59 was in the lead. The 55 did not maintain cautious pace and by NASCAR rule, cars not maintaining cautious pace are scored only when they blend back into the continuous line. The 55 based on our scoring was ordered to blend back in behind the 33 in front of the 7.

“The tower ordered the 55 multiple times to get in to position. The directive was acknowledged by the crew chief of the 55 and the crew chief also communicated the order to the driver of the 55. The driver ignored NASCAR’s directive.

“He was warned that he would be black flagged if he did not comply. Once the 55 crossed the start-finish line he was posted per the NASCAR rule book and at that time the directive to display the black flag was given.

“After contact with the 59 on Lap 73, NASCAR took emergency action per the rule book Section12-2 thus parking the 55, which was also ignored. The black flag with the white cross was displayed to the 55 when it crossed the start-finish line on lap 74. The 55 finished the race in the 18th position.”

[RaceFanStan]

The Busch Series Montreal race was an exciting race to watch. :D
If more of the Cup races in the States were as exciting NASCAR could hit a new level of popularity !
It was a good race & I found the driving with the front bumper very entertaining. :D

seen at Montreal :
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g202/gr8link/00/robby_can.jpg

[Jonesi]

There's a pole on Nascar.com main page on who people think should have won. Right now it's running RG, MA, KH.

[call_me_andrew]

Note the yellow flag waving and the yellow light on in the background in this screen shot.

http://www.boomspeed.com/rockysmom/08_04_07MONTRobbyWins.jpg

You know what would have helped Robby's case? Showing him ahead BEFORE the Yellow.

[mercury8]

A recap for those not watching. On a GWC restart to the finish Marcos Ambrose & Robby Gordon get through T1-2 clean, while pos3-10? get into each other, with Harvick mostly to blame, and a assist to Pruett. Before the caution comes out Robby makes a gutsy clean move over the curbs to pass MA. In the next Turn he gets spun out, probably after the yellow. Robby has dropped to about 10th by the time he gets going again. He quickly moves up to the front, gives MA a 'very mild' tap in the rear before getting behind the pace car. Nascar chooses not to penalize Ambrose, Harvick, Pruett and maybe a couple more for agressive driving, but wants Robby to move back to the spot he was in when he spun out. He refuses, (they don't red flag until it's sorted out) On the restart he punts MA and motors on to his "win".
Robby got screwed, but his tantrum will probably get him suspended. Harvick doesn't deserve the win (and I'm someone who rarely comments on that), but franky I don't know who does deserve it.
Some great driving by a few, some crappy driving also, some of the same drivers too. Mechanical failures to be expected on a road course. Not a great race, but an entertaining one. It will be a sell out next year.
You are joking aren't you mate.A gutsy clean move?Could of swore Ambrose had damage on the back of his car after being pushed out of the road.All things aside though that was disgraceful behaviour from Gordon to overtake all those cars under the yellow and ram him up the rear and then try and run him off the track when he should at the very least pulled into single file as he had been instructed to.Not surrendering his position and disobeying instructions from Nascar officials and his own crew is unexceptable.He should have the book thrown at him.

[harvick#1]

There's a pole on Nascar.com main page on who people think should have won. Right now it's running RG, MA, KH.

there can only be one, the King of the Busch Series, Kevin Harvick :D

[e2mtt]

Man. What a race to miss seeing.

It does sound & look (i watched replays on nascar.com) like he got screwed out of a victory here. Ambrose clearly spun him while yellow flags flying. If Robby could have resisting spinning Ambrose to pass him after the restart, they might have let him win, because he had a very good point.

However, we all know Robby is nuts with a bad temper. What a bummer.

[Sandfly]

I can't believe race fans take this seriously. This is a waste of gasoline and asphalt. It is obviously contrived - with the canadiens - up front to draw crowd.NASCAR does the yellow/white/checker thing just to cause chaos. I mean this is entertainment - like figure -8 school bus racing.

To call this Slug-fest "racing" is using the term very loosley.

[Jonesi]

You are joking aren't you mate.A gutsy clean move?Could of swore Ambrose had damage on the back of his car after being pushed out of the road.All things aside though that was disgraceful behaviour from Gordon to overtake all those cars under the yellow and ram him up the rear and then try and run him off the track when he should at the very least pulled into single file as he had been instructed to.Not surrendering his position and disobeying instructions from Nascar officials and his own crew is unexceptable.He should have the book thrown at him.

I think by the penultimate restart all the top cars had rear end damage. Robby may have contributed to Ambrose's but I don't think he touched him during the pass.
We are in agreement on his possible penalties.

[Sparky1329]

You know what would have helped Robby's case? Showing him ahead BEFORE the Yellow.

Regardless of where the pass was made Robby should have been restarted at the very least in 2nd. He didn't "maintain cautious pace" because he got turned around under the yellow flag. The #6 spun the #25 under the yellow a few Cup races back and Casey was allowed to return to the position he was in before the spin. But this was Robby so NASCAR hit the F-Robby button and they'll come up with whatever justification they want to because they can.

[Sparky1329]

Man. What a race to miss seeing.

It does sound & look (i watched replays on nascar.com) like he got screwed out of a victory here. Ambrose clearly spun him while yellow flags flying. If Robby could have resisting spinning Ambrose to pass him after the restart, they might have let him win, because he had a very good point.

However, we all know Robby is nuts with a bad temper. What a bummer.

I have a pretty bad temper when somebody tries to zoom me too. He's not nuts. He's also not a NASCRAP s*ckup. And therein lies the problem. Standing up for what's right is a no-no in NASCAR. No matter how that race played out there was no way NASCRAP would ever "let" Robby win.

[call_me_andrew]

I can't believe race fans take this seriously. This is a waste of gasoline and asphalt. It is obviously contrived - with the canadiens - up front to draw crowd.NASCAR does the yellow/white/checker thing just to cause chaos. I mean this is entertainment - like figure -8 school bus racing.

To call this Slug-fest "racing" is using the term very loosley.

I think the race only had 1 more full course caution than the F1 race this year (despite being longer), and a lot less crashes. And of course the Canadian drivers did well, they have a lot more expierience on road courses than most of the NBS regulars. The green white checker rule was created to appease fans who didn't like seeing races end in a caution. I don't like it, but it's not in my power to change it... yet.

[MD24]

I can't wait to hear MD24's official statement when he comes back from the track, I believe he sat right by the start/finish line, so he saw everything.

I'm sure he was hoping Patrick would've knocked Harvick out of the lead and for the win, but couldn't

It would have been great to see Carpentier win but not by spinning out Kevin Harvick.
I'm not a big Robby Gordon fan but I can understand some of his anger being spun out by Ambrose on a caution.
I think Ambrose should have been penalized and since he wasn't that probably was the fuel for Gordons anger.

Did Ambrose explain why he spun out Gordon on the caution?

I was sitting in turn 2

[call_me_andrew]

Did Ambrose explain why he spun out Gordon on the caution?

He'll do that when Gordon explains why he passed him under the caution.

[MD24]

My take was that was an accidental racing incident,harvicks was intentional.

That happened right in front of us and it sure looked like it was intentional by Harvick

[MD24]

He'll do that when Gordon explains why he passed him under the caution.

I wasn't aware that Gordon passed Ambrose under caution :eek:

[e2mtt]

He'll do that when Gordon explains why he passed him under the caution.

The only TV footage out there shows Robby alongside & ahead of Ambrose, then yellow flags & Ambrose spinning Robby.

Robby had a solid case for why he should at least be in 2nd at the restart. However, he threw it away by blantently spinning Ambrose.

[Galveston dunes]

Sparks I totally agree with you on Rubby starting at least 2end if not 1st. however in the end result Anbrose was on the lead and Rubby ruined any chance at a santion after the fact when he reacted the way he did. Maybe NASCAR wouldn't have changed the running order live but its been changed in the papers the follwing day before; and Rubby blew that oppertunity.IMO

[RaikkonenRules]

Robby is a complete and total tard for spinning Ambrose out intentionaly. Plus this caused yet another one of those bloody Cup Regulars to win. :p :

Wonder who will replace Gordon in Cup if he's suspended.

[blakebeatty]

Well, on a positive note for the weekend, If anyone made a bid for a cup race out of the USA, as it was a hot topic this weekend, it was the Montreal fans, cause that place looked PACKED!

[Jonesi]

Robby is a complete and total tard for spinning Ambrose out intentionaly. Plus this caused yet another one of those bloody Cup Regulars to win. :p :

Wonder who will replace Gordon in Cup if he's suspended.

PJ Jones is one guess.

[blakebeatty]

Jayski had PJ listed as the replacement.

[jeffmr2]

Have nascar set a new dangerous precedent by making it ok to gain a postion by spinning out another car under caution? Be interesting to see if the likes of Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart apply this new approved strategy at pocono today!!

[jeffmr2]

Robbie is still imo rightly ahead in the nascar.com poll as to who was the race winner.

[e2mtt]

Have nascar set a new dangerous precedent by making it ok to gain a postion by spinning out another car under caution? Be interesting to see if the likes of Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart apply this new approved strategy at pocono today!!

One thing is showing to be consistant... NASCAR doesn't restore positions to drivers who get blatently spun. This could have long term ramifications, as a blantent spin to put a competitor well down the running seems to be tolerated. Let's hope this doesn't become a viable strategy.

If Robby wasn't supposed to be in 2nd when they restarted, then he should not have been able to spin Ambrose, therefore Ambrose should have been restored to the front of the pack. Harvick doesn't deserve this win.

[BenRoethig]

I think it's likely Montreal could get a Cup date.

I'd be more than okay with taking the fall date from New Hampshire, moving the second Pocono date to september, and running Montreal after Indy.

[harvick#1]

That happened right in front of us and it sure looked like it was intentional by Harvick

look at the replay on the big crash and you'll see Pruett put Harvick into the grass before Turn 2, what do you think was gonna happen.

Every Driver would've done the same thing to Pruett.

Harvick got a clean run on the restart and was outside, he was still there after turn 1 and Pruett just forced Harvick to the grass (maybe a spotter issue, but it is Pruett were talking about) and then Harvick dumped him for the chicken **** move Pruett was trying to take.

[Galveston dunes]

Well, on a positive note for the weekend, If anyone made a bid for a cup race out of the USA, as it was a hot topic this weekend, it was the Montreal fans, cause that place looked PACKED!

114,784 through the turnstiles over the two days.Nice crowd for a race.Gives a new meaning to the word Bushwackers also.

[muggle not]

I Fought The Law And The.......Law Won

[Lee Roy]

114,784 through the turnstiles over the two days.Nice crowd for a race.Gives a new meaning to the word Bushwackers also.

Just think what the crowd would have looked like had they had Tony Stewart, Matt Kenseth, Jeff Gordon and a few of the other major NASCAR stars there.

[bovic]

114,784 through the turnstiles over the two days.Nice crowd for a race.Gives a new meaning to the word Bushwackers also.

I think I saw somtn like 61k friday and 69k saturday.. It did lack grand stands.. There were like 4-5 GS missing from the GP week-end wich draws over 300k every year..

[Sparky1329]

I Fought The Law And The.......Law Won

And they always do.

[wedge]

Quite a few stuff on youtube

Lap with Carpentier:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfb4a_txkQo

Race:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC0XBfly_qc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQiH_ZZBC7M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th0q9bi4lL4

[wedge]

Wow! I'm very impressed! By NASCAR standards the Busch cars looked quite nimble on a race track with huge braking and tight and twisty corners.

On all the other tracks its quite apparant the stock cars are big, heavy, sluggish, body roll.

And only over 20secs slower than F1 cars!

[bovic]

The invasion has begun :D

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/nascar/nextel/39255/

[MD24]

Saturday the #9 of Boris Said had the Montreal Canadian logo on

[BenRoethig]

The invasion has begun :D

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/nascar/nextel/39255/

Not quite. George Gillet Jr. is from Wisconsin and lives in Colorado. He just own the Montreal Canadiens.

[bovic]

Not quite. George Gillet Jr. is from Wisconsin and lives in Colorado. He just own the Montreal Canadiens.


I know but we'll see what's next ;) I'd say, a NASCAR race inside the Bell center :p

[Lee Roy]

Not quite. George Gillet Jr. is from Wisconsin and lives in Colorado. He just own the Montreal Canadiens.

He also owns the Liverpool team in the Premier League.

[tassiedevilAB]

Robbie is still imo rightly ahead in the nascar.com poll as to who was the race winner.

He won't be after you see what i found. is this the true robby or just pr talk

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=2&id=2962002



These are his words with other vids also

enjoy his statements & somewhat unthinkable dribble.

[tassiedevilAB]

I wasn't aware that Gordon passed Ambrose under caution :eek:

Being in a spot like you were why didn't you at least have a camera or video going seeing that it was only a few laps from the end & you would have had the evidence that robby did pass Marcos under the yellow which is being stated in all the media

gee pity you didn't do that because i know i would never pass up an opportunity of getting the footage that could have put this mess to sleep!

Just amagine your footage would have been played all around the world!

[BobbyC]

They went to race a fancy road race, full of ringers, Busch regulars, and the Buschwhackers, and it seems it was not Circuit Gilles Villeneuve but Autodrome Saint-Eustache, and that's not a bad thing. (That's the Quebec track for the NASCAR Whelen promotion.)

All of the banging makes me think one thing:

Bring On Bristol!

[Sparky1329]

Being in a spot like you were why didn't you at least have a camera or video going seeing that it was only a few laps from the end & you would have had the evidence that robby did pass Marcos under the yellow which is being stated in all the media

gee pity you didn't do that because i know i would never pass up an opportunity of getting the footage that could have put this mess to sleep!

Just amagine your footage would have been played all around the world!

Without a video to show proof of that the point is moot. It also does nothing to justify the restart position Robby was ordered to assume.

[blakebeatty]

13th was last car on the lead lap, if that is what you meant by "justify the restart position Robby was ordered to assume"

[Mark in Oshawa]

Just think what the crowd would have looked like had they had Tony Stewart, Matt Kenseth, Jeff Gordon and a few of the other major NASCAR stars there.

Lee Roy, the crowd was what it was because there isn't much room on that island for much more unless the idiot promotor puts up bigger stands. Why he didn't use ALL the ones he uses for the f1 races is a mystery.

AS for big crowds, if anyone with balls and a lot of money wanted a big crowd, build a decent oval in Southern Ontario within easy distance of Toronto and then give it 150000 seats. It would sell. I know of a ton of NASCAR fans (and I include myself) that would go to more events if they were closer. Montreal is only 5 hours away, but it is a very expensive city to visit when there is a big event on, and the promotor in Montreal has a habit of cranking up the price of tickets. That said, I would suggest half the crowd was from Ontario.

The drivers were not the draw, the fact NASCAR legitimized and recognized the Canadian Market is the draw for many of us. We have been 10 percent of the crowds at Michigan, New Hampshire and Watkins Glen for years, and it is rare Canadians don't make the trek to every event on the sched.

This event was a success, and while I couldn't be there, it proved what I thought was valid all along, in that NASCAR has up til recently ignored the fanbase it had here, and by recognizing it, the fans showed their loyalty BACK.

[MD24]

I would suggest half the crowd was from Ontario.

That seems a bit high, I would probably say 20-30% max. It seems that most of the crowd was french.

[MD24]

Being in a spot like you were why didn't you at least have a camera or video going seeing that it was only a few laps from the end & you would have had the evidence that robby did pass Marcos under the yellow which is being stated in all the media

gee pity you didn't do that because i know i would never pass up an opportunity of getting the footage that could have put this mess to sleep!

Just amagine your footage would have been played all around the world!

From where I was sitting I couldn't see it. That's too bad, cause I could have shared the front page of the Journal de Montreal with Carpentier :(

[blakebeatty]

It looked to be a greater success than Mexico.

Are you from Montreal, MD24? I am just wondering if any of the Canadians on the board from Winnipeg to the west coast attended the race?

[tassiedevilAB]

From where I was sitting I couldn't see it. That's too bad, cause I could have shared the front page of the Journal de Montreal with Carpentier :(

WITH A GOOD FINISH LOOMING I THOUGHT AT LEAST YOU WOULD HAVE A SHOT of the 2 cars dicing for the lead , when i go to the race meatings here i make sure i can get some shots where the cars might make contact or some great passes!

yep not only in the montreal papers but probably in all the news madia, man you would have been popular!

bUT THE STRANGEST THING TO ME IS WHY ISN'T THERE ANY TRACK SNAPPERS GETTING A SHOT THAT WOULD SCOOP THE MEDIA WORLD.

If there was a pass under yellow by robby someone of the snappers should have produced it there had to be snappers on just about every corner!

[Mark in Oshawa]

To chastise someone for not getting a picture of someone passing under the yellow would be to assume that someone would sit there with a camera at every corner waiting for something like this to happen.

It is highly unlikely anyone realized the siginificance of what they were watching until after it happened.

MD, I assume you were there. 20 % were Ontario? Ok, I can buy that since I know that Quebecois would be there in force. I still stand by though you would get the same fans and more if the race was in a good facility in Ontario. The French fans would be more likely to travel to see one of their guys like Carpentier compete. I suspect there will be a few now making plans to go to the Glen now that he is entered there...

[MD24]

Are you from Montreal, MD24? I am just wondering if any of the Canadians on the board from Winnipeg to the west coast attended the race?

I'm in Quebec but only a few minutes from Ottawa

[bovic]

Hull Gatineau ;)

[MD24]

Close, Chelsea

[MD24]

Hull Gatineau ;)

:D

[Sparky1329]

:D

I've been there. It was back in the late 70s. We knew two couples from Hull so we visited them on the way north and had to go through Ottawa to get to Hull. One of the couples joined us on our camping trip to the Baskatong reservoir. The women camped with the kids while the guys went off fishing to Clova. That was one of the best trips we ever took.

[MD24]

Never been to the Baskatong reservoir but I've heard its a very nice area and also a good fishing spot

[Sparky1329]

Never been to the Baskatong reservoir but I've heard its a very nice area and also a good fishing spot

I loved it there, MD. It's pure wilderness. Beautiful place.

[The Phantom]

To chastise someone for not getting a picture of someone passing under the yellow would be to assume that someone would sit there with a camera at every corner waiting for something like this to happen.

You'll have to excuse TassieDevilAB... he's a Tasmanian :D Not a lot goes on down there, unless you either log oldgrowth forests for a living or are a motorcyclist from the mainland on holidays :p

[tassiedevilAB]

To chastise someone for not getting a picture of someone passing under the yellow would be to assume that someone would sit there with a camera at every corner waiting for something like this to happen.

It is highly unlikely anyone realized the siginificance of what they were watching until after it happened.

MD, I assume you were there. 20 % were Ontario? Ok, I can buy that since I know that Quebecois would be there in force. I still stand by though you would get the same fans and more if the race was in a good facility in Ontario. The French fans would be more likely to travel to see one of their guys like Carpentier compete. I suspect there will be a few now making plans to go to the Glen now that he is entered there...

If you go to a race meating you know that you want your own shots rather than some snappers that allways get the best spots & that is usually on the 1st corners of RC & a few were they always pass, all i was saying is that i would never have lost an oppurtunity to get some shots for myself, & with a tasty morsel like was could have happened in the 2nd to last re-star the atmosphere was electric on the tv & so would have been high yoltage at the track, so yeah something was going to happen at it sure did, it just would have been a great few shots for your own vertion of what took place between the 2 of them!

go aussie go to the glen !

[tassiedevilAB]

You'll have to excuse TassieDevilAB... he's a Tasmanian :D Not a lot goes on down there, unless you either log oldgrowth forests for a living or are a motorcyclist from the mainland on holidays :p
heah Mate no i am not from the apple isle Ambrose is, i have that tag because it is his homeland, the AB stands for after bathurst & he is a ford driver.

I do not barrack for any chebby's .

Go aussie go !

[blakebeatty]

Hull Gatineau ;)

Never have I crossed the bridge, but Ottawa is a beautiful city.

Though I do wish you guys would get your Football team back :(

[Mark in Oshawa]

heah Mate no i am not from the apple isle Ambrose is, i have that tag because it is his homeland, the AB stands for after bathurst & he is a ford driver.

I do not barrack for any chebby's .

Go aussie go !

He doesn't Barrack? I gotta get an Aussie to English dictionary out every time Tassie gets a wind up....

[blakebeatty]

not to mention chebby. Also i have heard the term "massager" thrown around. I can't figure out for the live of me it’s a hooker, a manager, a yes-man, or a legitimate masseuse!?!?!?

[Mark in Oshawa]

Blake, we are better off NOT knowing....

[The Phantom]

He doesn't Barrack? I gotta get an Aussie to English dictionary out every time Tassie gets a wind up....

LOL, yep Tassie is an excellent proponent of Aussie slang :)

'Barrack for' means the same as support, and it's a term used in Victoria a lot (where Australian Rules Football is very popular).

Tassie I'm going to guess based on that that you're a Mexican? :D

You lost me with chebby, too... :confused: