Hungarian Grand Prix thread

[ShiftingGears]

I'm tipping the McLarens to win this one - and I get the feeling that it might spell the end of Kimi's 2007 WDC campaign.

Thoughts and predictions for the race?

[Valve Bounce]

I'm tipping Ferrari one/two, and my pickems are there for all to see.

[Flat.tyres]

its an interesting track with lots of technical corners and undulations. Lewis made a bit of a hash here last year but fought well in the race so should have a good understanding of the circuit. there is also a lot of pressure at the top between Alonso and Lewis which will be interesting to see how the young gun handles it and whether Freddie can avoid taking them both off at the start :D

I expect Ferrari to be very strong but have a funny feeling that Lewis is going to pull something out of the bag.

Getting into that first corner first is what this race could be all about and we know how hard Freddie will commit to that. with the needle with Massa and the furore over these docs, I think we might just see some wheel banging before this race (or even first corner) is done.

[ioan]

I expect Ferrari to be very strong but have a funny feeling that Lewis is going to pull something out of the bag.

A pocket crane or something like that?! :p :

[donKey jote]

:laugh:

[andreag]

Thoughts and predictions for the race?
Yes; again a wet race this year:

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/HUXX0002?

It would be great, two in a row.

P.S.: Sorry, Felipe.

[donKey jote]

Well let's hope McLarens wheel nuts are better than Renault's from last year, and that their wheel guns are also up to it :D

[Donney]

I predict a boring race.

[Flat.tyres]

A pocket crane or something like that?! :p :

:laugh: not bad for you ;)

[truefan72]

This is a McClaren track. The Ferrari's will struggle with the tightness and reduced speed of hungary. There is als a reliabilty issue creeping up with Ferrari. But you never know. I am tipping a McClaren 1-2 or 1-3 .
I think the bMW will run very well here, as will the Renaults. I think they will get thier first podium here. The Super Aguri's will beat the honda's ( at least in quali) and the williams will do very well.

Yes, and if it rains, all bets are off. But one usually doesn't need rain to get a good Hungarian GP.

Is it Friday yet? :)

[Womble]

I've got my fingers crossed for another Super Aguri 1-2. :D

[ArrowsFA1]

It's just a relief to be able to get back to racing, and the on-track competition between McLaren/Ferrari and Hamilton/Alonso/Massa/Raikkonen.

[F1MAN2007]

I expect another touch between Alonso and Massa and this time one will be completly out. Guess who will be out?!

And the rookie finishing on podium again which will count 10 podium in 11 races started so far!!!

[Sleeper]

It's just a relief to be able to get back to racing, and the on-track competition between McLaren/Ferrari and Hamilton/Alonso/Massa/Raikkonen.
Couldnt agree more.

I think McLaren will have a slight advantage here, though nothing like at th other tight and twisty track, Monaco. If the predictions of rain are right then I expect to see firworks from Button again.

[ArrowsFA1]

1. Kubica BMW Sauber (B) 1:22.390 25
2. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:22.519 + 0.129 18
3. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:22.540 + 0.150 21
4. Alonso McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:22.585 + 0.195 18
5. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:22.654 + 0.264 19
6. Heidfeld BMW Sauber (B) 1:22.891 + 0.501 24
7. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:22.983 + 0.593 19
8. Button Honda (B) 1:23.294 + 0.904 20
9. Barrichello Honda (B) 1:23.601 + 1.211 20
10. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:23.802 + 1.412 27
11. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:24.102 + 1.712 13
12. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:24.318 + 1.928 30
13. Wurz Williams-Toyota (B) 1:24.321 + 1.931 12
14. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:24.474 + 2.084 17
15. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:24.733 + 2.343 18
16. Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:24.905 + 2.515 26
17. Fisichella Renault (B) 1:24.920 + 2.530 19
18. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:24.976 + 2.586 20
19. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:25.307 + 2.917 13
20. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:25.584 + 3.194 14
21. Sutil Spyker-Ferrari (B) 1:26.332 + 3.942 29
22. Yamamoto Spyker-Ferrari (B) 1:28.118 + 5.728 30

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61286

[F1MAN2007]

1. Kubica BMW Sauber (B) 1:22.390 25
2. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:22.519 + 0.129 18
3. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:22.540 + 0.150 21
4. Alonso McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:22.585 + 0.195 18
5. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:22.654 + 0.264 19
6. Heidfeld BMW Sauber (B) 1:22.891 + 0.501 24
7. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:22.983 + 0.593 19
8. Button Honda (B) 1:23.294 + 0.904 20
9. Barrichello Honda (B) 1:23.601 + 1.211 20
10. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:23.802 + 1.412 27
11. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:24.102 + 1.712 13
12. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:24.318 + 1.928 30
13. Wurz Williams-Toyota (B) 1:24.321 + 1.931 12
14. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:24.474 + 2.084 17
15. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:24.733 + 2.343 18
16. Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:24.905 + 2.515 26
17. Fisichella Renault (B) 1:24.920 + 2.530 19
18. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:24.976 + 2.586 20
19. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:25.307 + 2.917 13
20. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:25.584 + 3.194 14
21. Sutil Spyker-Ferrari (B) 1:26.332 + 3.942 29
22. Yamamoto Spyker-Ferrari (B) 1:28.118 + 5.728 30

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61286

BMW in front of Ferrari and Mclaren?! :rolleyes:

[Hawkmoon]

The live timing had Massa stopping at the end of the session. It then cleared and his times went up. Can anybody confirm he had a problem or was it a problem with the timing?

[555-04Q2]

The live timing had Massa stopping at the end of the session. It then cleared and his times went up. Can anybody confirm he had a problem or was it a problem with the timing?

JUST MCLAREN HAVING FUN WITH THE DESTROY FERRARI BUTTON AGAIN ;)

[leopard]

BMW in front of Ferrari and Mclaren?! :rolleyes:
Why not? Kubica ;)

[leopard]

The live timing had Massa stopping at the end of the session. It then cleared and his times went up. Can anybody confirm he had a problem or was it a problem with the timing?
He might ignore red light again

[555-04Q2]

Why not? Kubica ;)

Indeed. He's starting to make Heidfeld look slow lately :s hock:

[ArrowsFA1]

BMW in front of Ferrari and Mclaren?! :rolleyes:
According to the report: "A late run on super-soft tyres allowed Robert Kubica and BMW-Sauber to set the pace." :)

[ozrevhead]

Yes; again a wet race this year:

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/HUXX0002?

It would be great, two in a row.

After last week I agree compleately :D

**starts a rain dance**

[nightingalecars]

Yes; again a wet race this year:

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/HUXX0002?

It would be great, two in a row.

P.S.: Sorry, Felipe.


Only a 20% chance of rain BOO :( :( :( Everyone get doing their rain dance we need another interesting race to put the "spy scandal" on the back burner and get back to the proper thing!! what was it called erm racing I think!! ;)

[veeten]

Hmmmm... got caught out there by the Spyker, Lewis did.

[Mp3 Astra]

Did that really just happen? Very clever, but a bit unsporting and harsh. But it remains to be seen if Alonso's pit move was deliberate.

[tinchote]

Did that really just happen? Very clever, but a bit unsporting and harsh. But it remains to be seen if Alonso's pit move was deliberate.


If anyone wanted proof of McLaren favouring Alonso over Hamilton, it was there for everybody to see. When has anyone seen a team making the championship leader lose his last lap of qualifying? :down:

[Corny]

WHAT THE..??
Put him 10 places back that brave Spaniard!

[jonny hurlock]

Is Alonso doing schumi tactics?

also, alonso had made a civil war with mclaren now

[peewhee]

Now do you believe that Alonso is scared of Hamilton??

Go Lewis.. Thrash the Spaniard...

[Eyo]

If anyone wanted proof of McLaren favouring Alonso over Hamilton, it was there for everybody to see. When has anyone seen a team making the championship leader lose his last lap of qualifying? :down:


Well, somebody must have gave him the information what to do, but I hardly believe that it was the whole McLaren Team.

[Priorat]

[quote="jonny hurlock"]Is Alonso doing schumi tactics?

Well, he has parked the car there like Sch did at Monaco last year.

FA worst WDC ever

[Zico]

Yep.. deliberate, no question.. very unsporting, What can the FIA do though?

[Mp3 Astra]

If anyone wanted proof of McLaren favouring Alonso over Hamilton, it was there for everybody to see. When has anyone seen a team making the championship leader lose his last lap of qualifying? :down:

I don't think that was a team game. You could see they timed it well, they raised the lollipop as Hamilton came near the pitbox, but it was Alonso who waited. The mechanics were waving and shouting at him to move, but he didn't. He knew how long the outlap was and couldn't believe his luck when he saw Hamilton in his mirrors. Ron Dennis definately wasn't happy!

[VkmSpouge]

Hamilton was clearly the quickest driver (by some margin) but he needs to overtake Alonso into turn 1 from the dirty side of track, I think that will be too difficult and indeed Hamilton might have to be more concerned about Nick Heidfeld's BMW going past him.

Very unfortunate session for Felipe Massa. He has got a lot to do from 14th.

Also I think Giancarlo Fisichella should be punished for holding up Sakon Yamamoto at the last corner. The Renault driver showed no regard for Yamamoto being on a fast lap.

[jens]

There is another thread for McLaren intra-team battle, so I'm not going to mention it here again. :p :

I was surprised to see Trulli 3rd (!) in Q2. But he was only 9th in Q3, so is he fuelled heavier than the rivals? Ralf lost clearly to Jarno in Q2, but in Q3 was clearly ahead. So that's a bit strange and raises some questions for tomorrow about strategies.

And why on earth was Felipe struggling so much?

[edv]

I was surprised to see Trulli 3rd (!) in Q2. But he was only 9th in Q3, so is he fuelled heavier than the rivals? Ralf lost clearly to Jarno in Q2, but in Q3 was clearly ahead. So that's a bit strange and raises some questions for tomorrow about strategies.

Did you notice whether the 2 Toyotas were on different compounds?

On another note, I noticed that the Starting Grid has Fisi down as 'Provisional'. Is he under investigation for something? Anyone have info on this?

[jens]

Unfortunately didn't pay attention for the tyre compounds.

Jarno's opinion about Q3: "In the last part of qualifying, the car felt pretty heavy and a bit harder to drive. In general my lap was a bit slower than I expected and I’m not sure why."

What is interesting that during all years Hungaroring has never suited Trulli and he has always struggled there. Don't know the exact reason though - maybe as Jarno's driving style 'kills' tyres a lot (which sometimes creates troubles for him in races - as we have also heard on team radio quite often recently) and the track is quite abrasive, then that creates problems. In 1997 he even lost to team-mate Nakano there.

[edv]

Ah, I see that Fisi is still under investigation for holding up Yamamoto during Q1

[N. Jones]

Can anyone tell me who got the fastest lap of the race?

[Mikko]

Can anyone tell me who got the fastest lap of the race?

Kimi.

[donKey jote]

his last lap :p :

[Storm]

The commentators were not amused that Kimi took away Lewis's "grand slam" (what ever that is....fastest lap, pole and lead all laps or something similarly pointless)

[Daika]

Dissapointed about Massa. Yes ferrari screwed up big time, but he doesn't seems to be able to turn the corner. Making the best out of a bad situation, therefor unlikely to be crowned world champion. He seems to lose motivation when it all turns bad.

[N. Jones]

Kimi.
Thank you!

FGP results on the way....