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schmenke
18th December 2006, 20:13
I figure it's about time that we revive this thread :)

Usual rules... answer a Q, post a Q... (Googling discouraged ;) )

O.k. for starters...

A fourth place finish in the constructor's championship may seem like a rather uneventful achievement, but what was notable about this team's result in the 1977 championship?

jonny hurlock
18th December 2006, 20:34
wolf ford finished 4th place that year, the highest postion the team got to in their history

schmenke
18th December 2006, 21:13
Yes, Wolf finished 4th (highest in their brief ;) history), but what made that achievement even more notable?

jonny hurlock
18th December 2006, 21:24
Harvey Postlethwaite designied the wolf wr1

schmenke
18th December 2006, 21:30
Not what I'm looking for.

jens
18th December 2006, 21:52
Achivement was notable, because it was the team's first season in F1?

Dazz9908
18th December 2006, 22:11
they won on debuting the car.

schmenke
18th December 2006, 22:45
Mmm... sorry, perhpas the question was a tad vague :mark: ...

I'll try to rephrase... what was impressive about the 55 points that the "team" scored that season?

jonny hurlock
18th December 2006, 23:21
jody Scheckter was the only driver at wolf that time,
he scored the 55pts for that season

sonic_roadhog
18th December 2006, 23:22
All one driver??? at a guess

jonny hurlock
18th December 2006, 23:29
looking at books

schmenke
18th December 2006, 23:34
jody Scheckter was the only driver at wolf that time,
he scored the 55pts for that season

Yeah, that's what I was looking for. Team Wolf had only one driver, Scheckter, for the duration of the 1977 season, yet they still managed 4th in the constructors championship.

jonny hurlock
18th December 2006, 23:59
Jacques Villeneuve became only the third Formula One driver in history to achieve a pole in his maiden grand prix. who was the other two drivers?

D-Type
19th December 2006, 00:13
Reutemann and Andretti (snr)

jonny hurlock
19th December 2006, 00:16
Reutemann and Andretti (snr)


yes and yes, next
villenunve melbourne 96
reutemann burno aries 72
mario andretti walkers glen 68

D-Type
19th December 2006, 00:26
Who first drove a rear-engined car in a championship GP?

schmenke
19th December 2006, 00:26
Auto Union?

D-Type
19th December 2006, 00:32
By 'championship' I meant World Drivers' Championship, not the prewar European championship. Sorry I wasn't clear.

schmenke
19th December 2006, 03:43
Cooper?

Ranger
19th December 2006, 05:21
Who first drove a rear-engined car in a championship GP?

Brabham - Cooper F2 in Monaco '57.

Rollo
19th December 2006, 05:50
2nd GP ever!

Harry Schell drove a rear-engined Cooper-JAP at the 1950 Monaco GP. Unless there was one at Britain a week before hand...?

D-Type
19th December 2006, 12:34
2nd GP ever!

Harry Schell drove a rear-engined Cooper-JAP at the 1950 Monaco GP. Unless there was one at Britain a week before hand...?
Correct - Your question

Mallen,
The 1957 Coopers at Monaco (Brabham) and Silverstone (Salvadori) were Formula 1 cars - they had 2 litre engines in the F2 chassis hence had F2-**** chassis designations.

Rollo
20th December 2006, 03:56
Let's re-write history:

Michael Schumacher debuted at the Belgian GP at Spa in 1991. If Michael wasn't driving, who then was Eddie Jordan's alternate choice?
and for bonus points: Name the terrorist whose name was on the side of that Jordan? :D

Hawkmoon
20th December 2006, 06:56
Let's re-write history:

Michael Schumacher debuted at the Belgian GP at Spa in 1991. If Michael wasn't driving, who then was Eddie Jordan's alternate choice?
and for bonus points: Name the terrorist whose name was on the side of that Jordan? :D

I don't know the driver but Jordan had "Osama" on the cars up until '94 or '95.

ArrowsFA1
20th December 2006, 09:17
Michael Schumacher debuted at the Belgian GP at Spa in 1991. If Michael wasn't driving, who then was Eddie Jordan's alternate choice?
Weren't there a couple of possibles - Stefan Johansson was one, but I also remember seeing a very unlikey name mentioned...the name escapes me though :p : I think it may have been Dave Coyne :dozey:

Rollo
20th December 2006, 10:55
Yes to both Hawkmoon and Arrows. It was Osama on the side of those Jordans and Stefan Johansson. After being at Onyx he appeared at both AGS and Footwork (which perhaps explains why Arrows knew who it was) and I suspect that being in line being that plucky little German convinced him to join CART in 1992.

Go on.

ottostreet
23rd December 2006, 21:06
i thought it was the williams of the mid 80's that had osama written on the side? due to their saudi sponsors? or am i madly off course here?

D-Type
24th December 2006, 20:33
i thought it was the williams of the mid 80's that had osama written on the side? due to their saudi sponsors? or am i madly off course here?I think you are generally on course. The Williams had sponsorship from the Bin Laden construction company and had Bin laden on the side. Osama Bin Laden is a member of the family that owns the firm.

ArrowsFA1
4th January 2007, 12:11
IIRC Osama were/are an Italian writing instruments producer, and they also sponsored the Leyton House March team.

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/f1pictures/gugelmin89leytonhousespa33-1.JPG

Anyway...how about another question :cool:

The 2007 season will see Ferrari racing with their youngest driver pairing since when, and who were their two main drivers that year?

4th January 2007, 13:20
IIRC Osama were/are an Italian writing instruments producer, and they also sponsored the Leyton House March team.

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/f1pictures/gugelmin89leytonhousespa33-1.JPG

Anyway...how about another question :cool:

The 2007 season will see Ferrari racing with their youngest driver pairing since when, and who were their two main drivers that year?

1974, Lauda & Regazzoni

ArrowsFA1
4th January 2007, 13:44
1974, Lauda & Regazzoni
No.

CarlMetro
4th January 2007, 14:23
Arnoux & Alboreto 1984?

ArrowsFA1
4th January 2007, 14:28
Arnoux & Alboreto 1984?
No. Earlier than both answers so far.

4th January 2007, 17:43
Ickx & Merzario

ArrowsFA1
4th January 2007, 19:35
Ickx & Merzario
One is right which may well help with the year ;)

4th January 2007, 21:45
Ickx & Andretti, 1971

ArrowsFA1
4th January 2007, 22:22
Ickx & Andretti, 1971
No, but one is right again ;)

This is beginning to remind me of that Mastermind game with the pegs :)

Mihai
4th January 2007, 22:44
Ickx & Amon, 1968

ArrowsFA1
5th January 2007, 09:07
Ickx & Amon, 1968
Correct :cool: Well done Mihai :up:

Mihai
5th January 2007, 21:28
I read the story yesterday on AtlasF1 about Ferrari's youngest line-up. :)

My question: Which drivers finished both 2nd and 3rd in the same F1 race ?

ChrisS
13th January 2007, 17:13
Nino Farina and Maurice Trintignant at the 1955 Argentine Grand Prix, José Froilán González also finished 2nd and Umberto Maglioli also finished 3rd

It was so hot that almost everyone was using substitution drivers

Mihai
14th January 2007, 18:51
Yes, it's Farina and Trintignant! :up:
Your turn.

ChrisS
15th January 2007, 23:19
Erm...

Who was the last driver personally picked by Enzo Ferrari to race for the Scuderia

schmenke
16th January 2007, 00:00
Gilles Villeveuve?

Ranger
16th January 2007, 01:35
Nigel Mansell.

ChrisS
16th January 2007, 21:05
Nigel Mansell.

:up: Your turn

18th January 2007, 21:57
Quite happy to cede to Mallen when he arrives, but in the mean-time, who was the driver who was sponsored by Mickey-Mouse and who was announced as a race driver for a team but never raced?

ArrowsFA1
19th January 2007, 10:21
Would that be the same man who exchanged his Bell lid for something that sounded very similar :p : ?

24th January 2007, 20:29
Not quite. The guy you're thinking of did test the car but the team couldn't afford him.

Somebody very knowledgable told me that, but for reasons I am not at liberty to divulge at this moment in time that 'somebody' has disqualified himself from the competition.

jclab
27th January 2007, 22:50
Quite happy to cede to Mallen when he arrives, but in the mean-time, who was the driver who was sponsored by Mickey-Mouse and who was announced as a race driver for a team but never raced?

Fulvio Maria Ballabio was the sponsored driver and Emerson Fittipaldi was the annonced driver.

"After a three-year hiatus Emerson was tempted back to motor racing early in 1984. The year began in Rio where Emerson tested a Disney-sponsored Spirit-Hart Formula 1 car. The man who had brokered the Disney deal – the little known Fulvio Maria Ballabio – never got the superlicence necessary to race at this level, so out went Ballabio and with him the Disney money. The Formula 1 comeback was over before it started."

Source 8W

28th January 2007, 00:24
Fulvio Maria Ballabio was the sponsored driver and Emerson Fittipaldi was the annonced driver.

"After a three-year hiatus Emerson was tempted back to motor racing early in 1984. The year began in Rio where Emerson tested a Disney-sponsored Spirit-Hart Formula 1 car. The man who had brokered the Disney deal – the little known Fulvio Maria Ballabio – never got the superlicence necessary to race at this level, so out went Ballabio and with him the Disney money. The Formula 1 comeback was over before it started."

Source 8W

Give that man a cigar.

Fulvio Ballabio's papa owned the distribution rights to Disney films in Italy, hence the Mickey-Mouse logo.

Your go.

jclab
28th January 2007, 20:32
Thanks tamburello

Why didn't Peter Collins score any points in the 1957 British GP?

sonic_roadhog
28th January 2007, 23:06
At a guess he handed his car over to team mate.

Sonic :)

Cozzie
28th January 2007, 23:30
Yeah, he handed the car over to Fangio so he could win the championship although he was still in contention himself.

Vitesse
28th January 2007, 23:34
Erm .... no.

On all counts.

Might I suggest you check?

Mihai
29th January 2007, 00:18
Collins took Trintignant's car, but the Frenchman received all 3 points for fourth place as it was determined that Collins did not drive a significant number of laps. Trintignant/85 laps and Peter Collins/3 laps.

jclab
30th January 2007, 00:34
Collins took Trintignant's car, but the Frenchman received all 3 points for fourth place as it was determined that Collins did not drive a significant number of laps. Trintignant/85 laps and Peter Collins/3 laps.

Exactly, Mihai :up:

The new ruling for 1957 was that every driver that spared a car had drive that car at least 1/3 of the GP distance. ;)

Your question :)

Mihai
30th January 2007, 10:02
OK, sounds a bit easy, but it's not quite: Name the F1 teams for which Fernando Alonso drove in his career (including his latest).

jclab
31st January 2007, 04:53
5 teams: Minardi, Renault and McLaren; he also tested a Benetton in 2000 and a Jaguar in 2002. ;)

Mihai
31st January 2007, 15:47
That's correct. :up: His minor test role at Jaguar is very often overlooked.

jclab
1st February 2007, 02:15
Which was the first tobacco sponsor advertized on a F1 car in a WDC GP?

Cozzie
1st February 2007, 03:35
Which was the first tobacco sponsor advertized on a F1 car in a WDC GP?

Gold Leaf? On the Lotus.

Cozzie
1st February 2007, 07:12
Erm .... no.

On all counts.

Might I suggest you check?

Wrong GP!!!

Vitesse
1st February 2007, 14:07
Which was the first tobacco sponsor advertized on a F1 car in a WDC GP?
Gunston

Vitesse
1st February 2007, 14:09
Wrong GP!!!
Wrong year too. You were thinking of Monza in 1956.

jclab
1st February 2007, 15:16
Gunston

Excellent Vitesse ;)

Your question

Vitesse
1st February 2007, 23:50
Who was the first American to race in a WDC event? (Excluding the Indy 500)

D-Type
2nd February 2007, 00:33
The South American driver Juan Manuel Fangio in the 1950 British GP

Vitesse
2nd February 2007, 09:23
It wasn't a trick question. If it had been, I'd have asked for the first driver from the Americas ....

Just to clarify, I'm looking for the first driver from the United States.

ChrisS
2nd February 2007, 21:27
Harry Schell in the 1950 Monaco Grand Prix

Vitesse
2nd February 2007, 23:07
Correct. 'Arree was also the first to drive a rear-engined car in a WDC GP.

Mihai
3rd February 2007, 10:14
Wasn't it Ernst Klodwig with his Ruck-BMW the first to race a rear-engined car in a points-scoring GP ?

Vitesse
3rd February 2007, 11:33
Sorry, Mihai, but no. Schell's very short participation at Monaco in 1950 was in a rear-engined Cooper T12 powered by a 1 litre JAP V2 motorcycle engine.

Klodwig's car, which ran in the 1952 German GP, was known as the Heck-BMW, not Ruck. Although as you're neither an English nor German native speaker I can see how you could have made that mistake!

Mihai
3rd February 2007, 18:36
I was thinking about 'Rucksack' (those Eigenbaus had weird names). I always thought that East-german Klodwig drove the first rear-engined car in an F1 championship race.

D-Type
9th February 2007, 00:28
While we're waiting for ChrisS to think up a question, let's go through the alphabet - no looking up!

Alfa Romeo
BMW Eigenbau
C?

ChrisS
9th February 2007, 01:44
Oops, Sorry, I though someone had already asked a question

When Lancia withdrew from Formula 1 who took their cars?


continuing going through the alphabet...

Cooper
Dallara
Eagle
Ferrari
G?

Cozzie
9th February 2007, 23:34
Ferrari!

DazzlaF1
9th February 2007, 23:41
Gordini

ShiftingGears
10th February 2007, 05:58
Honda

Vitesse
10th February 2007, 12:02
Iso-Marlboro
Jordan
Kurtis
Ligier
McLaren
Onyx
Pacific
Rebaque
Scarab
Tecno
Vanwall
Wolf
Zakspeed

Amazingly, there are none for N and Y. Less amazingly, none for Q, U and X!

10th February 2007, 12:07
For the 'I' in the alphabet, the ISO as run by Frank Williams in 1974.

It latter became designated as an FW for the 1976 season.

Funny how a bloke who is now crying about customer cars rebadged somebody else's for his first eponymous effort.

ChrisS
10th February 2007, 16:16
Ferrari!

:up:

D-Type
10th February 2007, 22:39
~
Amazingly, there are none for N and Y. Less amazingly, none for Q, U and X!

Well, scraping the barrel and going outside Formula 1,there's

the Novi at Indianapolis (well it was a Championship race in those days)
Quasar - an Italian F3 car in the early seventies
a U2 occasionally ran as a F2 car
Yimkin produced a stripped version of their sports car for Formula Junior in the early sixties

But I can't come up with anything for X.

So let's see what Cozzie comes up with to follow the Lancia-Ferrari

ShiftingGears
11th February 2007, 01:36
Quick trivia question...


Which former grand prix circuit was nicknamed "a mini Nurburgring"?

Mihai
11th February 2007, 12:16
Mosport ?

Not a Grand Prix track, but Cadwell Park is also nicknamed "(Britain's) mini-Nuerburgring".

D-Type
11th February 2007, 22:09
Quick trivia question...


Which former grand prix circuit was nicknamed "a mini Nurburgring"?
Solitude and Clermont Ferrand both were, but solitude never hosted a WDC race so I'll go for Clermont Ferrand

And an XK120 once ran in an Italian non-champioship F1 race (probably Syracuse) to complete the alphabet.

ShiftingGears
12th February 2007, 11:47
Solitude and Clermont Ferrand both were, but solitude never hosted a WDC race so I'll go for Clermont Ferrand

Bingo.

ChrisS
12th February 2007, 16:54
And an XK120 once ran in an Italian non-champioship F1 race (probably Syracuse) to complete the alphabet.

isn't that J for Jaguar XK120 though?

Vitesse
12th February 2007, 18:27
For the 'I' in the alphabet, the ISO as run by Frank Williams in 1974.

It latter became designated as an FW for the 1976 season.

Funny how a bloke who is now crying about customer cars rebadged somebody else's for his first eponymous effort.
Not quite the same thing. The Iso-Marlboros were built to Frank's order, just as the de Tomasos were in 1970. Between those two he ran Marches - the classic "customer car" of the 70s.

D-Type
12th February 2007, 23:45
isn't that J for Jaguar XK120 though?It depends how desperate you are to find an X doesn't it!

And we are waiting for Cozzie to ask his/her question.

Cozzie
12th February 2007, 23:56
Ok sorry about the wait. (his by the way).
Other than the fact that both were only held once what did the 1957 Pescara and 1958 Morrocco Grands Prix have in common?

ShiftingGears
13th February 2007, 11:45
Both won by Stirling Moss

Cozzie
13th February 2007, 23:33
Yes, can you elaborate on that eg. car he was driving, grid position.

ShiftingGears
14th February 2007, 08:10
Yes, can you elaborate on that eg. car he was driving, grid position.


Vanwall, started from 2nd position both times I think. I know Fangio got pole at Pescara.

Cozzie
15th February 2007, 05:50
Yes that is completely right!

ShiftingGears
20th February 2007, 10:00
I better go then aye?

Right, why were Ligier model numbers preceded with the letters JS?

ChrisS
20th February 2007, 19:46
in memory of Guy Ligier's good friend and team mate Jo Schlesser

ShiftingGears
21st February 2007, 07:54
Correct, your go ChrisS!

ChrisS
21st February 2007, 18:08
name the f1 drivers that were nicknamed

The Monza Gorilla, The Farnham Flyer, Il Leone, and The Shunt

chap
21st February 2007, 18:18
The Monza Gorilla was Vittorio Bambrilla
The Shunt --> James Hunt
The Farnham Flyer --> Mike Hawthorn
Il Leone --> Nigel Mansell :0

jedii
21st February 2007, 18:18
The Monza Gorilla is v brambilla
, The Farnham Flyer i aint got a clue?,
Il Leone is mansell of course
and The Shunt is james hunt

jedii
21st February 2007, 18:20
just remmbered the farnham flyer is mike hawthorne

ChrisS
21st February 2007, 20:07
Correct
The posts were made at the same time but chap got all 4 right away while jedii had to add Hawthorn latter so its chap's turn

chap
22nd February 2007, 17:37
ok an easy one (but be aware, I'm cheating a little bit) the sole girl who won a F1 GP?

SGWilko
22nd February 2007, 17:59
None?

ChrisS
22nd February 2007, 18:12
No woman has ever won a Formula One Grand Prix ;)

Desire Wilson won an Aurora F1 race, a domestic series with old F1 cars but the races were not considered a GP

chap
22nd February 2007, 18:20
well ... I said I was cheating a bit ;)

Desire won at Brands Hatch in British Aurora F1 series so she became the only woman to win a "F1 race of any kind"

ChrisS
23rd February 2007, 17:49
what unusual thing happened on the podium of the 1989 Brazilian Grand Prix?

23rd February 2007, 19:15
what unusual thing happened on the podium of the 1989 Brazilian Grand Prix?

Mauricio Gugelmin made his one and only appearance?

ChrisS
25th February 2007, 15:08
no, thats not what I'm looking for

K-Pu
27th February 2007, 05:42
Mansell fainted?

ChrisS
6th March 2007, 20:34
OK, so its been a week since anyone tried to answer this, should I give the answer and ask another question?

CarlMetro
6th March 2007, 21:05
Yep.

ChrisS
8th March 2007, 19:18
what unusual thing happened on the podium of the 1989 Brazilian Grand Prix?

Mansell cut his hand on the trophy.

If anyone else wants to post a question, please go ahead

8th March 2007, 19:25
OK, try this one.....

Which Brabham drivers slept with each other?

jclab
8th March 2007, 22:12
Piquet and Patrese in South Africa in 1982 ;)

LeonBrooke
8th March 2007, 22:52
Lombardi and someone else...?

ChrisS
9th March 2007, 01:01
I think I read Amati and Lauda had a thing, they both raced for Brabham, but not at the same time

9th March 2007, 13:23
I think I read Amati and Lauda had a thing, they both raced for Brabham, but not at the same time

Damn, you saw through my cunning trick. Yep, it was Amati & Lauda.

Piquet & Patrese shared a camp bed, but I don't believe they ever consumated the relationship.

ChrisS
14th March 2007, 21:00
Who is the only driver to win with front-engine and mid-engine cars by the same manufacturer?

Osella
14th March 2007, 23:38
I think it's Phil Hill for Ferrari, I believe it was also the last win for a front-engined car. Was it 1959? And then he won with the Sharknose in '61, along with the title.

K-Pu
14th March 2007, 23:49
Just a guess, I haven´t checked it...

Could it be Phil Hill?

ChrisS
15th March 2007, 07:37
Correct Phil Hill for Ferrari,

His first win was with a front-engined car at the 1960 combined oval/road monza GP that was boycotted by the British teams and it was the last win for a front-engined car

ShiftingGears
11th April 2007, 09:51
Since noones responded...

Who was the World champion with the least amount of pole positions during his time in F1, and how many pole positions did he score?

LeonBrooke
12th April 2007, 09:15
Um, Denny Hulme? One?

ShiftingGears
12th April 2007, 09:58
Yes and yes. Your turn Leonbrooke!

LeonBrooke
12th April 2007, 10:08
Yeah!

An easy one: Which current F1 driver has won Le Mans?

ChrisS
12th April 2007, 20:10
Wurz in 96

LeonBrooke
13th April 2007, 09:01
Yep. Sorry I couldn't think of anything harder. I'll do better next time ;)

ArrowsFA1
13th April 2007, 16:34
Which team owner sacked his two drivers for breach of contract (one of whom hadn't yet even driven for his team) shortly after their arrival at the circuit for the opening race of the season, only to reinstate them in time for the qualifying session?

EuroTroll
13th April 2007, 16:56
Bernie E?

ArrowsFA1
13th April 2007, 17:03
Bernie E?
Quick and also correct studiose :up: :s mokin:

Do you know when, where and why this happened?

EuroTroll
13th April 2007, 17:37
Quick and also correct studiose :up: :s mokin:

Do you know when, where and why this happened?

I was thinking of 1982, but can't be more specific.. Just something I seem to remember from somewhere. :)

EuroTroll
13th April 2007, 18:11
I'll also be away for the next few days, so please, whoever wants to, ask the next question.

ArrowsFA1
13th April 2007, 19:20
I was thinking of 1982, but can't be more specific.. Just something I seem to remember from somewhere. :)
1982 is right, so that makes it the season opening South African GP...

N. Jones
13th April 2007, 22:47
Name the two drivers who won the least number of races en route to winning the WDC. (an example - Michael won 13 races in 2004 en route to winning the WDC I think that is a record # of wins. I want to know who won the WDC by winning the least amount of races).

ChrisS
14th April 2007, 02:19
Mike Hawthorn and Keke Rosberg only won one race each

ChrisS
14th April 2007, 02:33
What is the 2nd most successful Italian F1 team?

N. Jones
14th April 2007, 06:40
Mike Hawthorn and Keke Rosberg only won one race each

Sorry - had to go to work or else I could have said - You're Right!

I didn't look but I was surprised to see that Hawthorne won that year when Stirling Moss won four races that year ('58)...

Ranger
14th April 2007, 08:09
What is the 2nd most successful Italian F1 team?

Depends on how specific that question is. It would be Benneton, but they had a British license during their entire winning period, if I'm right.

Otherwise, probably Maserati or Alfa Romeo.

D-Type
14th April 2007, 09:12
What is the 2nd most successful Italian F1 team?Depends how you measure success:

Alfa Romeo - 10 wins, 214 points, 2 World Driver' Championships, Best Constructors 6th, 1 prewar World (manufacturers') Championship
Maserati - 9 wins, 312.92 points, 1 1/2 World Drivers Championships, Best Constructors 5th

I would say Alfa as the objective of racing is to win not to accumulate ponts

GJD
14th April 2007, 10:25
Sorry - had to go to work or else I could have said - You're Right!

I didn't look but I was surprised to see that Hawthorne won that year when Stirling Moss won four races that year ('58)...

That was the year that showed many people - with the very greatest of respect to Mike Hawthorn - that the 'World Championship' was a silly and misleading notion... as Jenkinson had been saying for yonks!

ChrisS
14th April 2007, 18:22
Depends how you measure success:

Alfa Romeo - 10 wins, 214 points, 2 World Driver' Championships, Best Constructors 6th, 1 prewar World (manufacturers') Championship
Maserati - 9 wins, 312.92 points, 1 1/2 World Drivers Championships, Best Constructors 5th

I would say Alfa as the objective of racing is to win not to accumulate ponts

I was thinking race wins

Alfa Romeo is correct

ChrisS
14th April 2007, 18:41
Sorry - had to go to work or else I could have said - You're Right!

I didn't look but I was surprised to see that Hawthorne won that year when Stirling Moss won four races that year ('58)...

Hawthorn partly owes his championship to the fairness of Moss. at the Portuguese Grand Prix, Hawthorn was disqualified for pushing his car, against the rules. Moss defended Hawthorn and he kept his 2nd place.

Hawthorn won the championship by 1 point so without the points from Porto, Moss would have won the championship

D-Type
14th April 2007, 23:29
Thanks,

Now for my question:
The Pescara GP was generally a non-championship race, although in 1957 the 50th race was a Championship qualifier. The circuit included the 5.25 m (8.5 km) Montesilvano straight on which the organisers set up a timed kilomatre and offered a 200,000 lira prize for the fastest speed. In the 1950 event Fangio in an Alfa Romeo Type 158 won the prize. What average speed did he record? I'll accept within 5 mph or 10 kph.

ChrisS
15th April 2007, 00:15
I'm not sure you want the top speed or his lap average speed

his best lap was 10:37.6 with an average speed of 145.69 km/h

the top speed recorded was 288km/h

D-Type
15th April 2007, 11:06
I'm looking for his average speed over the timed kilometre on the long straight.

ShiftingGears
15th April 2007, 11:29
190 mph?

D-Type
15th April 2007, 22:22
Close enough.

In his biography "Fangio, The Life Behind the Legend", Gerald Donaldson quotes a figureof 192.84 mph which i reckon translates as 310.57 kph.

I asked the question as I was amazed when I read it. Just think about it - nearly 200 mph on a road circuit over 50 years ago!

I find the figure almost incredible as the International Class F record for the flying kilometre was set by Goldie-Gardner's MG in 1939 at 204.2 mph. I wonder what might a streamlined Alfetta have achieved?

ChrisS, where did your figures come from?

Your question theugsquirrel

ChrisS
16th April 2007, 14:32
his lap time and speed came from a results archive I have, the wrong top speed came from Italian Wikipedia

ShiftingGears
18th April 2007, 13:54
Ok, which racing driver had the nickname of "The Rat Droppings"?

Vitesse
19th April 2007, 00:15
So let's see if anyone apart from me, D-Type and GJD knows this one ....

ChrisS
19th April 2007, 01:21
So let's see if anyone apart from me, D-Type and GJD knows this one ....

He is the same person who said "Racing is life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting" and no I dont mean Steve McQueen ;)

Vitesse
19th April 2007, 12:02
I think we should open a bottle of wine for that answer ....

19th April 2007, 14:04
Maurice Trintignant.

ShiftingGears
19th April 2007, 15:38
Correct! Your go Tamburello.

20th April 2007, 16:58
OK...name the only driver to have raced a twin-chassis Formula One car?

ChrisS
20th April 2007, 17:18
Mansell? But as far as I know he only ran at Friday practice before the car was banned

20th April 2007, 19:23
Mansell? But as far as I know he only ran at Friday practice before the car was banned

Nope.

It was that very car that was raced....just not quite where or when it was originally supposed to.

ChrisS
17th May 2007, 17:08
tamburello, can you give the answer and ask another question please

Its been a month, no-one answered and the thread isn't even in the first page anymore

DBell
17th May 2007, 17:46
tamburello, can you give the answer and ask another question please

Its been a month, no-one answered and the thread isn't even in the first page anymore

I'm curious to the answer for this also. I looked, but could not find that it was actually raced unless you mean Steve Hitchins in the Thoroughbred Grand Prix Championship in 2001.

D-Type
17th May 2007, 23:39
:idea: Alternative answer: Stirling Moss in the 1960 Monaco GP. At the end of the race the chassis had cracked and the front and rear of the Lotus 18 were only connected by the water hoses ;)

18th May 2007, 18:22
I'm curious to the answer for this also. I looked, but could not find that it was actually raced unless you mean Steve Hitchins in the Thoroughbred Grand Prix Championship in 2001.

The answer is............

Katsuaki Kubota

He finished second at the Thorough-bred Grand Prix race at Mugello earlier this year, which, according to Autosport, was the first time that the Lotus 88B had raced.

But, since you reckon it was raced previously by Steve Hitchins, and the Classic Team Lotus website doesn't say that Kubota's podium was the first time it was raced, it's your go.

DBell
18th May 2007, 20:25
The answer is............

Katsuaki Kubota

He finished second at the Thorough-bred Grand Prix race at Mugello earlier this year, which, according to Autosport, was the first time that the Lotus 88B had raced.

But, since you reckon it was raced previously by Steve Hitchins, and the Classic Team Lotus website doesn't say that Kubota's podium was the first time it was raced, it's your go.

I found a article through googeling that was a detailed history of the 88B and it stated that Hitchins raced it that year in TGP. I don't know how acurate that is.

So to get this going again,

I'm sure this will be easy, but here it is..

Porsche only won 2 F1 races, one official and one non-points.
Name year(s), tracks, and driver or drivers.

D-Type
18th May 2007, 20:58
1962 French GP, Rouen les Essarts, Dan Gurney
1961 Coppa Italia, Vallelunga, Giancarlo Baghetti
1962 Solitude GP, Solitude, Dan Gurney
and there may be more

DBell
18th May 2007, 21:09
1962 French GP, Rouen les Essarts, Dan Gurney
1961 Coppa Italia, Vallelunga, Giancarlo Baghetti
1962 Solitude GP, Solitude, Dan Gurney
and there may be more

The article I saw had the 2 Gurney victory's in 62. It had said those were Porshes only 2 wins, but looks like that may have been inacurate.

Anyway, you got Gurney in both Rouen and Solitude in 62 and that's the answer I was looking for, so it's over to you D-Type.

D-Type
18th May 2007, 22:05
In 1947-48 and 1950-51 Alfa Romeo were almost unbeatable in F1 racing. What colour was the first Ferrari to beat the Alfettas in a Formula 1 race? Race and driver as well please.

Vitesse
18th May 2007, 23:04
The article I saw had the 2 Gurney victory's in 62. It had said those were Porshes only 2 wins, but looks like that may have been inacurate.

Anyway, you got Gurney in both Rouen and Solitude in 62 and that's the answer I was looking for, so it's over to you D-Type.
Those were the only two works Porsche victories. Baghetti's car was a private entry.

jedii
19th May 2007, 00:48
the ferrari was green but that is all i can remmeber

AAReagles
19th May 2007, 02:29
He is the same person who said "Racing is life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting" and no I dont mean Steve McQueen ;)





Maurice Trintignant.


Sorry for stumbling upon this late, but I couldn't help but notice how similar this sounded like Rudi Caracciola was quoted as saying, though worded a bit different I suppose.


Not trying to start a copyright/plagiarism war between any respected MT & RC parties/relatives mind you. :D

D-Type
19th May 2007, 11:25
the ferrari was green but that is all i can remmeberCorrect - all we need now is the race and driver



Those were the only two works Porsche victories. Baghetti's car was a private entry.The question didn't say 'WORKS' Porsche. Possibly the article that DBell read was about the works cars or maybe about the 804. (Baghetti's win was in one of the older 4-cylinder cars)

AAReagles,
I have never seen that quote attributed to Trintignant - only to Caracciola

GJD
19th May 2007, 13:09
the ferrari was green but that is all i can remmeber

Correct - all we need now is the race and driver


Jedii's answer, and your response, has got Peter Whitehead writ large. But at risk of ending up with a custard pie in the face, I beg to differ.

I base my recalcitrence on the reference to beating the Alfas. D-Type... tricky as ever.

I think Luigi Villoresi's win in the Ferrari 125 at the 1949 Zandvoort Grand Prix was the first Ferrari win in a car to F1 specs. And it was red.

Later that same year, Peter Whitehead won in the Czech race in his green one. That's the green herring.

But no Alfas on offer.

No, I maintain the first time Ferrari beat the Alfettas in a Formula 1 race was the occasion of Gonzales' famous win at the 1951 British Grand Prix. Hitherto, either the Alfas had prevailed, or were absent.

Oh, and the colour was red.

Custard pie throwers, I'm ready!

D-Type
19th May 2007, 13:35
You're very nearly there. The Alfas didn't race in 1949. I mentioned 1947-48 to emphasise that I am not necessarily looking for a World Championship race, and [big hint] not necessarily a national Grand Prix.

There definitely was a Formula 1 race before the 1951 British GP where a Ferrari beat the Alfas.

GJD
19th May 2007, 14:04
Hmm. You thinking of the Lake Garda race?

ChrisS
19th May 2007, 23:58
Reg Parnell 1951 International Trophy?

D-Type
20th May 2007, 00:57
Yes, that's the one. The race was run in two heats and a final. The Alfas won their heats so had the top grid positions for the final. Then a cloudburst coincided with the start of the final. The powerful Alfas backed off as they found the wet conditions well nigh impossible and Reg Parnell in the green Vandervell-owned Thin Wall Special Ferrari won the race. So, the first defeat of the 'invincible' Alfa Romeos was a freak one by a privately-owned Ferrari and a privately-owned Talbot at the non-championship Daily Express International Trophy. Two months later, Gonzalez beat them fair and square in the British Grand Prix, also at Silverstone.

Your question ChrisS

GJD
20th May 2007, 05:52
Of course. Overlooked that race. Good question, D-Type.

Vitesse
20th May 2007, 23:14
So, the first defeat of the 'invincible' Alfa Romeos was a freak one by a privately-owned Ferrari and a privately-owned Talbot at the non-championship Daily Express International Trophy.

Ahem.

The first post-war defeat of the Alfettas was in the Coupe René le Bègue at St Cloud, Paris on June 9th 1946. It was their first race since 1940.

Alfa were over-confident and only entered two cars, for Wimille and Farina. Both retired with gearbox problems and the race was won by Sommer's Maserati 4CL. It was technically a Formule Libre event, but all the main protagonists were in cars which would conform to the forthcoming new Formula:

http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/archive/f1/nc/1946/1946.html#begue

D-Type
21st May 2007, 01:39
Ahem.

The first post-war defeat of the Alfettas was in the Coupe René le Bègue at St Cloud, Paris on June 9th 1946. It was their first race since 1940.

Alfa were over-confident and only entered two cars, for Wimille and Farina. Both retired with gearbox problems and the race was won by Sommer's Maserati 4CL. It was technically a Formule Libre event, but all the main protagonists were in cars which would conform to the forthcoming new Formula:

http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/archive/f1/nc/1946/1946.html#begue
Valid point, but, I did put 'invincible' in inverted commas and in the original question said 'almost unbeatable'.

GJD
22nd May 2007, 08:55
Oi! Oi! Vitesse, as ever, presents can impeccable argument but like a politician he answers a different question from the one wot was put in the first bleedin' place!

D-Type's question stated "What colour was the first Ferrari to beat the Alfettas in a Formula 1 race?"

Vitesse, perhaps distracted by hay fever from the West Country spring apple blossom, has focussed on some bloomin' car from Bologna instead of the one from Modena.

ChrisS
26th May 2007, 22:28
the "not necessarily a national Grand Prix" hint really helped to answer that question :D

OK here is an easy one

Who is the most dominant F1 Champion in terms of points

ioan
27th May 2007, 00:47
You mean compared to the 2nd placed one in that years championship?

ShiftingGears
27th May 2007, 04:57
the "not necessarily a national Grand Prix" hint really helped to answer that question :D

OK here is an easy one

Who is the most dominant F1 Champion in terms of points

Micheal Schumacher.

What was the longest grand prix circuit during the Silver Arrows Era of grand prix racing?

LeonBrooke
27th May 2007, 09:04
The Nurburgring?

ShiftingGears
27th May 2007, 11:09
Nope. Try again!

GJD
27th May 2007, 12:03
Brno.

ShiftingGears
27th May 2007, 13:28
Brno.

Correct. Heres a map with the kilometre markings - it looks terrifying! Seperated the men from the boys I should think! I wish there was an onboard camera of the whole lap at speed, that'd be amazing.

http://www.formula2.net/brno1931.jpg

ioan
27th May 2007, 17:06
Correct. Heres a map with the kilometre markings - it looks terrifying! Seperated the men from the boys I should think! I wish there was an onboard camera of the whole lap at speed, that'd be amazing.

http://www.formula2.net/brno1931.jpg

Imagine an 8 laps race with pitstops every 2 or 3 laps! :D

ChrisS
27th May 2007, 21:12
Micheal Schumacher.

What was the longest grand prix circuit during the Silver Arrows Era of grand prix racing?

Not the answer I was looking for

to clarify a bit, each season a driver can score a maximum number of points who won the championship coming closest to scoring the max points possible.

Cozzie
28th May 2007, 00:02
Not the answer I was looking for

to clarify a bit, each season a driver can score a maximum number of points who won the championship coming closest to scoring the max points possible.

Alberto Ascari?

ChrisS
28th May 2007, 00:23
Alberto Ascari?

I was thinking of Jim Clark scoring the max of 54 points in 63 and 65 (best 6 results, 9 points per win) but Ascari is also right with 36 points in 52 (best 4 results, 8 points per win, 1 point for fastest lap)

GJD
28th May 2007, 05:15
So who goes next? I'm happy to defer to Cozzie on the grounds that theugsquirrel's answer to ChrisS's question was 'Not the answer ChrisS was looking for'... and besides, I'm overseas only only intermittant web access during that time.

Cozzie
30th May 2007, 10:05
Ummm if I am free to go next, here is the question:
In 1986 one frustrated driver claimed his car was "About as useful as an ashtray on a motorcycle".
Who was the driver quoted and what car was he talking about?

30th May 2007, 16:39
Keke Rosberg. Mclaren MP4/2C. It understeered like a pig on occasions.

Sounds like the sort of thing he'd say.

Or Allen Berg. Not that he was outspoken, but it's a fair description of the 86 Osella.

Vitesse
30th May 2007, 19:22
Alan Jones on the Lola THL2?

futuretiger9
30th May 2007, 21:22
Martin Brundle on the Tyrrell?

Cozzie
31st May 2007, 08:36
Alan Jones on the Lola THL2?

Quite correct Vitesse, well done!

Vitesse
31st May 2007, 11:29
It was pretty much a guess, based on the knowledge that:

1 Jonesy calls a spade a bloody shovel.

2 The Lola was more likely to go "woof" than "vroom".

Okay - a teaser. What does "backing into a garage" have to do with a multi-talented driver who took part in 15 WDC races and started his circuit racing career in an Austin 7 at Donington Park in 1935?

GJD
31st May 2007, 14:33
Over the years, he must have backed his racing cars into his Ford garage at Smethwick, what... hundreds of times?

And in the end, what a terrible tragedy Ardmore was. 40 years old... too young.

Vitesse
31st May 2007, 17:37
You got the man, but only half the answer. Nothing to do with Smethwick.

GJD
31st May 2007, 17:58
Hmm. A guess but I therefore imagine that as well as every conceivable type of motoring competition, your reference to "backing into a garage" suggests that he also competed in what I used to know as driving tests.

Vitesse
31st May 2007, 20:47
Autotests, yes. Remember those on TV in the mid-60s? And how Northern Ireland always did so well?

Nowadays it's Ireland who seem to do rather well in the Ken Wharton Trophy:

http://www.motorsportireland.com/index.cfm/archives/yes/loc/4-1/spPage/16/articleId/43287D82-DE14-C3A2-DF90083019EE7002.htm

"Backing into a garage" was just one of the tests drivers had to do.

D-Type
5th June 2007, 21:30
Now, why do I keep thinking of a Ford 10 engined Austin 7 trials car? :)

D-Type
3rd July 2007, 18:32
OK
The answer to Vitesse's question was Ken Wharton.
To expain a couple of references - The 'Wharton Special' trials car was originally a an Austin Seven chassis with a Ford Ten engine. He was killed in an accident at Ardmore, NZ.

So here's another

Which Grand Prix driver was an apprentice blacksmith in his youth?

Cozzie
5th July 2007, 08:21
Stirling Moss?

D-Type
5th July 2007, 15:18
No, not Stirling Moss.

I think he had some training as a hotel manager, but nothing as physical as being a blacksmith.

Cozzie
6th July 2007, 07:43
OK I just thought maybe someone from that era.

D-Type
6th July 2007, 19:16
You're in about the right era - Moss did race against this driver.

D-Type
11th July 2007, 19:54
Hint: The driver in question very soon changed jobs to become a trainee mechanic,and later a mechanic, at the local garage.

D-Type
12th July 2007, 22:40
Todays hint: He reportedly had bow legs (bandy legs)

ShiftingGears
13th July 2007, 02:08
Fangio?

D-Type
13th July 2007, 21:43
:champion: Yes! :champion:

Your question.

ShiftingGears
14th July 2007, 04:57
Splendid! When and where was the last non championship Formula 1 race and who won it?

imported_jedii
14th July 2007, 17:51
Splendid! When and where was the last non championship Formula 1 race and who won it?

1983 brands hatch keke rosberg in a williams beat danny sullivan

ShiftingGears
15th July 2007, 03:48
1983 brands hatch keke rosberg in a williams beat danny sullivan

Right you are! I've always wondered how a non championship grand prix would go in this era...

Your go!

D-Type
16th July 2007, 00:20
Does this (http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/archive/f1/bologna.html) count? - Formula 1 cars competing against each other, but only in pairs and not on a regular track - so maybe not.

imported_jedii
17th July 2007, 00:11
alberto ascari led the most combined laps between 1952 and 1953 but which driver led the second most between those seasons

GJD
17th July 2007, 14:27
Bill Vukovich?

imported_jedii
17th July 2007, 17:48
Bill Vukovich?

aye it is i was hopeing it was harder than that

GJD
18th July 2007, 17:08
Och, i_j but it had trick question written all over it. Very late here in Oz. I'll retire now and try and think up a bar steward of a question before sleep washes over me. Stand by your 'puter!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

D-Type
29th August 2007, 01:32
While we are waiting:

Which Formula 1 engine noise would be most likely to wake GJD up? :grenade:

ShiftingGears
5th September 2007, 10:48
Probably the loudest one :p :

I'll try to get the ball rolling again...

Who is the only driver to score points in both Formula One and the World rally championship?

ChrisS
12th September 2007, 12:24
do you mean post 1979 when the WRC drivers championship was established? Because I found 2 drivers that won rallies and scored in F1 in the 60s

ShiftingGears
12th September 2007, 12:48
do you mean post 1979 when the WRC drivers championship was established?


Yep.

ChrisS
12th September 2007, 17:26
Carlos Reutemann

ShiftingGears
13th September 2007, 08:48
Yes! Your go.

ChrisS
14th September 2007, 18:44
I cant think of a good question so if anyone wants to ask a question to keep this going please do

D-Type
25th September 2007, 13:04
Here's a nice one:

Who made his Formula 1 debut in a Lotus and went on to win [World Championship] Grands Prix in 4 other makes of car and World Championships in 2 of them?

imported_jedii
25th September 2007, 18:17
graham hill

D-Type
26th September 2007, 10:36
Good try

But...
Hill debuted in a Lotus
As far as I recall, he only won races in Lotus and BRM cars - so not in 4 cars other than Lotus
His two World Championships were in BRM and Lotus cars - so only one in a non-Lotus.

Hint: re-read the question as I chose my words with care.

ShiftingGears
26th September 2007, 11:00
Jackie Stewart!

D-Type
26th September 2007, 14:05
:champion: Correct

Explanatiobn:
Jackie Stewart made his Formula 1 debut in a Lotus in the non-championship Rand GP in South Africa
He won World Championship GPs in BRM, Matra, March and Tyrrell cars
He won World Championships in the Matra and the Tyrrell

FIA
1st October 2007, 14:31
Jackie Stewart!

Post a question?

ShiftingGears
1st October 2007, 14:34
Who has led the most laps in championship grands prix without ever winning?

FIA
1st October 2007, 14:43
If you mean in total, I would say Chris Amon.

Or do you mean in one race.

ShiftingGears
1st October 2007, 14:48
Total, and yes it is Amon. Your go.

FIA
1st October 2007, 16:11
In 1965, aswell as winning Formula One World Championship and Indy 500. What other championship did Jim Clark win in 1965?

ChrisS
1st October 2007, 17:40
Tasman Series

FIA
1st October 2007, 17:42
Tasman Series

Correct ChrisS, your go.

ChrisS
1st October 2007, 17:56
erm... OK

Formula One world champions and their brothers that also raced in F1

list the champions and their brothers

FIA
1st October 2007, 18:16
erm... OK

Formula One world champions and their brothers that also raced in F1

list the champions and their brothers

Emerson & Wilson Fittipaldi
Jody & Ian Scheckter
Michael & Ralf Schumacher

Sorry! Me Again.

ChrisS
1st October 2007, 18:26
one more ;)

FIA
1st October 2007, 18:49
one more ;)

Was it Andretti, Jon may be. (I'm not using the net)

ChrisS
1st October 2007, 18:53
no, not Andretti

FIA
1st October 2007, 18:56
Stewart maybe, Paul, James, John.

ChrisS
1st October 2007, 19:51
yes

Jimmy Stewart took part in the 1953 British Grand Prix

FIA
1st October 2007, 20:01
yes

Jimmy Stewart took part in the 1953 British Grand Prix

Who was the last Formula One driver to do at least 75% of a Formula One Season and participate the Indy 500 in the same year?

D-Type
1st October 2007, 23:35
Mario in 1981?

FIA
2nd October 2007, 17:42
Mario in 1981?

No Mate!

FIA
2nd October 2007, 19:09
You've got the right idea, though.