[ERC] 2007 Rally Vinho Madeira [Archive] - Page 2

Jarek Z

4th August 2007, 11:51

Casier a solid 7th time on SS11, Czopik and Isik loose a lot of time. Wonder what Loix will do in Superally.Aparantly he starts very late, or he is allready out?

Both Czopik and Isik had punctures on SS11. Czopik lost 2 minutes and Isik even more, because he decided to change the wheel on the stage.

Ojeda is gaining 3-4 seconds on each stage to Travaglia. I'm afraid the Italian driver will not win this ERC round if Ojeda continues this pace...

Where can we see stage times for Loix and Navarra?

Jarek Z

4th August 2007, 12:03

Where can we see stage times for Loix and Navarra?

OK, I found them. When you click a stage number on "Super Rally SS" menu bar, you can see results for leg 2. But both Navarra and Loix are not doing top stage times, they are slower than Travaglia in a group N Lancer.

Tom206wrc

4th August 2007, 12:19

The whole rally is better for S2000's than GrN's. S2000 on 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and Group N on 2 and than a big gap to the second Group N.

That, is rather due to drivers than cars !!! :mark:

Both Bernardo Sousa and Fernando Peres were faster in their GrN cars(Sousa was 6th overall and best portuguese once) but both had to early retired !!

Tom206wrc

4th August 2007, 12:26

15.1s gap between Travaglia and Ojeda with 4 stages to go(after SS15 just in)...what a suspense for the 2nd place :D

Jarek Z

4th August 2007, 12:36

Let´s try to reach second place. The weather conditions are better than yesterday, let´s see what we can do - says Enrique Garcia Ojeda.

http://www.ralivm.com/depot/galleryPhotos/1722-Ojeda02.jpg

Jarek Z

4th August 2007, 12:38

I´m satisfied to have passed Jean-Joseph. Things are going well, now let`s fight to try to reach Bernd Casier, at the sixth place - says Corrado Fontana.

http://www.ralivm.com/depot/newsPressFiles/1814-2007-News_357-Image.jpg

Tom206wrc

4th August 2007, 12:43

No time for Tomasz Czopik in SS15 :confused:

Tom206wrc

4th August 2007, 13:38

Twenty minutes before SS16 to start ;)

HaCo

4th August 2007, 13:40

15.1s gap between Travaglia and Ojeda with 4 stages to go(after SS15 just in)...what a suspense for the 2nd place :D
Jep, very exciting. But, they had to change gearbox of Ojeda in the service park, just saw it on Eurosport. Hope casier can remain 6th position!

Jarek Z

4th August 2007, 13:48

Czopik is out with electrical problems.

Tom206wrc

4th August 2007, 13:54

OK with 20s penalty(two minutes late out of service) Ojeda has no chance anymore to catch Travaglia now :mark: ;(

Tom206wrc

4th August 2007, 14:12

Where is Enrique Garcia-Ojeda in SS16 ??? :eek:

harriswrc

4th August 2007, 14:13

Where is Enrique Garcia-Ojeda in SS16 ??? :eek: Due to his penalty he will start after Pedro Fontes

Tom206wrc

4th August 2007, 14:20

OK thanks Harris, he just appareared on the leaderboard ;)

I was so scared he retired whereas many big points are to be taken this week-end in IRC :mark:

Tom206wrc

4th August 2007, 14:28

50s more penalty for Ojeda !!!! :eek:

NOOOOOOOOO !!!!! ;( ;(

Fiorio

4th August 2007, 14:47

The weather is good, sun and dry. maybe in last stage can rain or a little wet...

harriswrc

4th August 2007, 14:49

Seems that Navarra and Betti retired again in ss16.
They are not appeared in erc results.

Fiorio

4th August 2007, 14:51

Have start SS17 (13,12 km)
fight for 3º place Ojeda \ Magalhaes

Fiorio

4th August 2007, 14:54

Seems that Navarra and Betti retired again in ss16.
They are not appeared in erc results.

Yes, i don't out of service park... i don´t no the reason...

Fiorio

4th August 2007, 15:06

B.Magalhes now is 3º place

CricketsFilm

4th August 2007, 15:13

New video inserted....

on

http://www.cricketsfilm.tv "Corrado Fontana Channel TV"

and Czopik Video on http://www.cricketsfilm.tv "ACE RACING TV ONLINE"

Fiorio

4th August 2007, 15:17

New video inserted....

on

http://www.cricketsfilm.tv "Corrado Fontana Channel TV"

and Czopik Video on http://www.cricketsfilm.tv "ACE RACING TV ONLINE"

Fontana is very close of 6º place ;)

harriswrc

4th August 2007, 16:31

1 ss to the finish.
Basso will take it easily, while Travaglia is in 2nd place.
Battles at last stage to the podium between Magalhaes and Ojeda, battle for sixth between Fontana and Casier, battle for the 1 ERC point of 2nd leg between Fontana and Ojeda.

HaCo

4th August 2007, 16:37

I think Ojeda will take Fontana if he has no problems and I hope Casier will take back 6th on the last stage, come on Bernd, you can do it!!! :D :D

HaCo

4th August 2007, 16:41

Last stage started 3 mins ago.. :)

HaCo

4th August 2007, 17:14

YES, Casier takes 6th!!! :D

Madeira

4th August 2007, 19:04

Let's wait a few hours to see if we have any surprise with the final standings after final verification of Mitsubishis.... :(

Madeira

4th August 2007, 20:01

Let's wait a few hours to see if we have any surprise with the final standings after final verification of Mitsubishis.... :(

Travaglia was disqualified, I think the reason was the Turbo.... :(

Madeira

4th August 2007, 20:35

Following the report made by the FIA Technical Delegate on his inspection for car number 5, before the regroup at Service G, and having given an opportunity of hearing to the drivers and team manager for car number 5 to explain why one of the pipes concerning the pressure regulator was disconnected, the Stewards after deliberation have decided:

- To exclude car number 5 for non conformity of Article 254/6.1.

Competitor is reminded of his right for appeal, according to Article 180 and following of the International Sporting code.

Wim_Impreza

4th August 2007, 20:41

The same story as in Ypres, the FIA has really problems with a fast Group N car. :( Travaglia was again so good and so friendly in interviews.

Tom206wrc

4th August 2007, 20:44

Enrique Garcia-Ojeda would be suspected to have got illegal assistance too, according to Autosport Portugal :mark:

When the FIA decision is made for his result ??? :confused:

Wim_Impreza

4th August 2007, 21:00

Kresta and Pech in their Evo9 cars can better not start in the Barum in a few weeks. Offcourse they can drive faster then much S2000's. Would they disqualified after the rally too? :(

Tom206wrc

4th August 2007, 21:23

Kresta and Pech in their Evo9 cars can better not start in the Barum in a few weeks. Offcourse they can drive faster then much S2000's. Would they disqualified after the rally too? :(

In Kenya GrN cars finished ahead of Navarra...were they disqualified ??? :mark:

It's only a matter of technical rules that aren't followed by teams, like we find, and as stupid as, in WRC...not a conspiracy against GrN to favour S2000s :rolleyes:

It's clear regarding Madeira rally that Renato Travaglia did a great job and deserved his podium, though

Madeira

4th August 2007, 21:30

Enrique Garcia-Ojeda would be suspected to have got illegal assistance too, according to Autosport Portugal :mark:

When the FIA decision is made for his result ??? :confused:

Ojeda OK!!!

Wim_Impreza

4th August 2007, 21:34

In Kenya GrN cars finished ahead of Navarra...were they disqualified ??? :mark:

It's only a matter of technical rules that aren't followed by teams, like we find, and as stupid as, in WRC...not a conspiracy against GrN to favour S2000s :rolleyes:

It's clear regarding Madeira rally that Renato Travaglia did a great job and deserved his podium, though

In the Safari couldn't the Subaru's take points away from Navarra... In newspapers and even on the IRC site there was no single word about the victory from Rautenbach.

No Tom, it is clearly that the FIA don't want real Group N cars on the podium in an international rally.

Mirek

4th August 2007, 22:33

Wim_Impreza (http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/member.php?u=88580): Sorry, but disconnected regulation of turbocharger is not such stupid thing like that homologation problems before (mostly caused by Mitsubishi factory). Because this violation of rules realy affects performance...

rwssport

4th August 2007, 23:35

In the Safari couldn't the Subaru's take points away from Navarra... In newspapers and even on the IRC site there was no single word about the victory from Rautenbach.

No Tom, it is clearly that the FIA don't want real Group N cars on the podium in an international rally.

Subaru cars couldnt score IRC points if I remember correctly... Hence no mention on the IRC website and I'd gues sit was that team who wrote the press releases etc...

HaCo

5th August 2007, 08:11

Wim_Impreza, you are mixing things up.
I think on one side it's a shame subaru wasn't mentioned in the Safari rally, because strictly they won. On the other side, IRC is an organisation where manufactures have to pay for sort of commercial time on Eurosport (and other media where IRC is mentioned), so if you don't pay, you cannot eat from the pie, it's that simple.
Now, the Mitsu and Subaru are true N4 cars like you say and so should meat the true N4 regulations. If not, they should be penalized. Okay, the punnishement should be in function of the infraction, disqualification for Cols was maybe too much. But, apparantly it was necessary to set an example as you can see there are problems again and again with those Mitsus.

Filip

5th August 2007, 08:11

Madeira

5th August 2007, 10:39

Who knows what the total distance of special stages is? I can't find it on the oficial website...

Here is: 285,68 Kms (SS) ;)

and total distance of rally is 936,87 Kms

Jarek Z

5th August 2007, 13:28

Here is: 285,68 Kms (SS) ;)
and total distance of rally is 936,87 Kms

Wow, thank you! I already thought everybody forgot about my question! :up:

HaCo

5th August 2007, 14:06

No more pics or amateur vidios of the rally?

Saw Travaghlia attacking yesterday on Eurosport, he went very hard and sideways, very spectacular.

Madeira

5th August 2007, 14:24

No more pics or amateur vidios of the rally?

Saw Travaghlia attacking yesterday on Eurosport, he went very hard and sideways, very spectacular.

Yes I can confirm, Travaglia was the most spectacular driver this weekend!

Madeira

5th August 2007, 15:08

Eurosport Videos
Day one- http://video.eurosport.com/2007/08/04/irc_madeira_com_47844_4_25001_0_320x240.wmv

Day two- http://video.eurosport.com/2007/08/04/irc_day2_com_47876_4_25001_0_320x240.wmv

CricketsFilm

5th August 2007, 16:19

Inserted video of 2. leg, on:

http://www.cricketsfilm.tv "Corrado Fontana Channel" or http://www.corradofontana.it

and

http://www.cricketsfilm.tv "ACE RACING ONLINE TV" (Czopik)

Jarek Z

5th August 2007, 17:32

Madeira

5th August 2007, 17:56

I have a strange question about the Spanish driver Enrique Garcia Ojeda.
I understand that Enrique is his first name and Ojeda is his last name. But what is Garcia? Is it another first name or part of his last name?

Forgive me this question, but I need to know it :)

ahahah, really strange question Jarek indeed.... :D . Garcia I think is not a family name, so it could be part of the first name. He has one name less than me.

Sergio-Rallymax

5th August 2007, 20:01

No no no, is name is Enrique and his surnames they are García Ojeda.

milly

6th August 2007, 14:58

Yes I can confirm, Travaglia was the most spectacular driver this weekend!

It's easy to be spectacular when you have so much power! If you don't have the turbo pressure regulator attached, you can get much more power.....

Same team - Top Run - as were thrown out from Rally Australia last year for breaking the turbocharger rules....

[Madeira-Rally]

6th August 2007, 16:26

It's easy to be spectacular when you have so much power! If you don't have the turbo pressure regulator attached, you can get much more power.....

Same team - Top Run - as were thrown out from Rally Australia last year for breaking the turbocharger rules....

I think it's a peculiar situation, the turbocharger from Travaglia's EVO.

Ok, it could be illegal, but, I think that doesn't bring any advantage to Travaglia in the stages...ok, you can call me innocent :)

I will try to explain.

I followed all the rally since the shakedown to the last stage, and everybody have to admit that Travaglia was pushing harder than other conventional N4. And there is no doubt that he was the best driver in a conventional N4.
If Travaglia's car hasn't the regulator, I suppose he would be much faster than he was... I think it was some irregularity in turbo, but nothing that give too much power to the car.

Doing Sideways, is the style of most Italian rally drivers :)

Mirek

6th August 2007, 18:08

You combine two different things... Noone says Travaglia is bad and not spectacular driver ;)

But, You should not say: "I think that doesn't bring any advantage to Travaglia in the stages." That may be true but also it may not. It is simply impossible to judge according to what they wrote in official news. But probably it realy did give him advantage. Of course it doesn't mean it gave him such more power that could be seen by spectator's sight. It could bring him just a better torque curve without boosting peak power very much but at almost 300 kilometers even a very little difference is enough to give You reasonable advantage.

It may have brought him advantage but it also needn't. It may have been done on purpose but it also needn't. Travaglia may have known about that but he also needn't. All we can write here is nothing more than speculation...

The fact is that if there is any non-homologated part, modiffication etc. than some punnishment is nercessary. And modiffied regulation of turbocharger is not such irrelevant thing like non-homologated door reinforcement...

Jarek Z

6th August 2007, 19:25

Were there any other disqualifications after the finish? I see that there are only two Lancers in the final results...

Fri

6th August 2007, 19:50

Some pics:
http://www.fotosralis.online.pt/rvm2e07/

Jarek Z

7th August 2007, 19:52

After his disqualification on Madeira Renato Travaglia was very angry and decided to part ways with Top Run Team. At this moment the Italian ace doesn't know what car he will drive in the remaining rallies.

N.O.T

8th August 2007, 07:43

where are the videos ?? Last year we had some really good ones :) :) :)

FAlonso

8th August 2007, 09:14

We can get them on:

http://www.ralismadeira.com

http://www.insidewebsports.com

The ralismadeira ones are just spectacular! Great effort made by them in all fronts this year: information, fotos, videos! Congratulations for the work they have been doing for the past years (and this rally in particular) promoting rallying in Madeira! My thx to them!

milly

8th August 2007, 11:06

]I think it's a peculiar situation, the turbocharger from Travaglia's EVO.

Ok, it could be illegal, but, I think that doesn't bring any advantage to Travaglia in the stages...ok, you can call me innocent :)

I will try to explain.

I followed all the rally since the shakedown to the last stage, and everybody have to admit that Travaglia was pushing harder than other conventional N4. And there is no doubt that he was the best driver in a conventional N4.
If Travaglia's car hasn't the regulator, I suppose he would be much faster than he was... I think it was some irregularity in turbo, but nothing that give too much power to the car.

Doing Sideways, is the style of most Italian rally drivers :)

There is a big difference when you have more turbo boost. It means you can really push the car - sometimes too sideways - and know that it has plenty of power to maintain momentum.

Typically, the problem with a GpN car is that the limited turbo pressure needs the car to be driven very precisely - not too much sideways if possible, because this robs the car of forward momentum.

If Travaglia has left Top Run then it shows what he thinks of them. A driver relies on his team, and Top Run have betrayed him.

8th August 2007, 14:35

as I remember, last season Team Tango from Argentina already had problems with TopRun, ending ir disqualification of Team Tango from PWRC

CricketsFilm

8th August 2007, 18:04

New Video OnBoard inseted on:

http://www.cricketsfilm.tv "Ace Racing Online TV" (Tomasz Czopik)

[Madeira-Rally]

8th August 2007, 18:15

New Video OnBoard inseted on:

www.cricketsfilm.tv (http://www.cricketsfilm.tv) "Ace Racing Online TV" (Tomasz Czopik)

What is your opinion about Madeira-Rally ?

CricketsFilm

9th August 2007, 10:15

]What is your opinion about Madeira-Rally ?

Fantastic place, fantastic race, Fantastic Foods!!!!
Not beautiful contest for me.... last fridays, during S.S. 5, I had fallen from a wall with the videocamera on the shoulder and now I am all broken..... I was successful however to end my job to Madeira....
;-) Appointment to next Year.....