Canadian GP thread

[ioan]

Given that they started running I thought I'll start a thread for this weekend.
There is live timing at http://www.f1.com , but most of you know it already.

[Garry Walker]

Both Toyotas doing many laps, whereas some drivers are still in pits. Probably very dusty still.

[ioan]

Alonso, Hamilton, Kimi, Felipe, Nick, Ralf, Jarno and Fisi.
Expecting Kubica to throw in a better time.

[blakebeatty]

Do any of the other Canadians on the board loathe the fact that the race is titled GP DU CANADA (In French, as it is in Montreal) whereas Near 70% of the population of the country claims English?

Is this due to the Quebec law that prohibits English in the predominant signing of a business?

I propose the CANADIAN GP

[ioan]

Well we call it Canadian GP in the forum and I think we should care less about what language is used as long as the racing is fine.

What happened to Kubica, only 2 laps after 85 minutes.
Did he become a champion? :D

[ioan]

MW threw in a qualy simulation at the end of FP1.

[Racehound]

i was lookin for ya!!!!....i posted elswher about lewis lookin like he had an off on about his 11 lap......fa set fl and lewis was chasin

[Racehound]

practice 1..........fa-1.17.759 lh-1.17.967 kr-1.18.136 fm-1.18.167.............aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhviva

[BriannaBee]

Do any of the other Canadians on the board loathe the fact that the race is titled GP DU CANADA (In French, as it is in Montreal) whereas Near 70% of the population of the country claims English?

Is this due to the Quebec law that prohibits English in the predominant signing of a business?

I propose the CANADIAN GP
Why shouldn't it be called the GP du Canada? The race is held in a predominantly francophone city in a primarily francophone province and the name is in one of the country's official languages. If it were called the GP du Canada despite being held in western Canada, you might have a point.

[blakebeatty]

Why shouldn't it be called the GP du Canada? The race is held in a predominantly francophone city in a primarily francophone province and the name is in one of the country's official languages. If it were called the GP du Canada despite being held in western Canada, you might have a point.

But it's not the GP du Montreal, or the GP du Quebec, it's the Canadian Grand Prix, a race that represents the country (a predominantly English speaking country) on the world stage.

[ioan]

But it's not the GP du Montreal, or the GP du Quebec, it's the Canadian Grand Prix, a race that represents the country (a predominantly English speaking country) on the world stage.

Maybe they should call it GP du Quebec, that way there would be nothing wrong about it! :D

[BriannaBee]

But it's not the GP du Montreal, or the GP du Quebec, it's the Canadian Grand Prix, a race that represents the country (a predominantly English speaking country) on the world stage.

Canada is an officially bilingual country so if a title is in French or English, what is the problem? The French is more suited to the local population, which makes up a big part of the market for the race and surrounding events. Bilingualism goes two ways - it's not just francophones learning English.

[aryan]

But it's not the GP du Montreal, or the GP du Quebec, it's the Canadian Grand Prix, a race that represents the country .

Yes, and last time I checked, Canada had both French and English as its official languages.

You not happy with that?

[aryan]

Anway, Webber is currently on top, and he had a respectable fifth place in the first practice as well.

Maybe his fortunes will change this race?

[davidalbert]

Morning or afternoon or what ever it is were ever you are.

Webber's Redbull is looking strong. Ihope they have got on top of their reliablity problems, Hamilton just keeps on surprising.

[davidalbert]

The Ferrari's don't seem to be going that well, maybe they are foxing.
Amased that Webber is staying up there that long. If he has genuine speed then qualy's will be very interesting.Go Mark Go.

[N. Jones]

I can't believe it! BOTH Toro Rosso's are in the top ten in the 2nd practice session!

I also can't believe that Kubica is screwing the pooch - 14th. I don't think he looked very good in prac1 either.

[donKey jote]

Whoa Sutil takes off but manages to land safely and avoid the wall :o

[N. Jones]

I guess Ralf gave up... 20th with a 1:20.9.

Anybody out there know why Kovalianen stopped on track?

[davidalbert]

Why did kovalainen stop, any one know.

[aryan]

Webber was admittedly running light when he posted those times. He is now down to 6th and could not improve on his time.

Ferarri is either 1+ s slower than McLaren, or sandbagging.

Renault seems to be getting closer to BMW.

[aryan]

I guess Ralf gave up... 20th with a 1:20.9.

Anybody out there know why Kovalianen stopped on track?

Ralf really does like that number 20, doesn't he?

He is clinging to it with teeth and nails :D

[N. Jones]

Yeah, I'm bashin' Ralf again - only 11 laps on track? Trulli only did 13... Is the Toyota THAT bad???

Webber still in the top ten but what happened to DC - 15th?

[donKey jote]

I missed Kova... I only heard them commenting on Piquet's grin whenever Heikki makes a mistake ...

[aryan]

Hurray.....Ralf moves up..................to 19th!

Yep, that Toyota is that bad.

DC isn't having a fine day, is he?

[donKey jote]

Trulli on 3 wheels again :s

Toyota can't take the kerbs !!! :s

Toyota's are unsafe - drive into the kerb and the wheel falls off :eek:

[donKey jote]

Ferrari's all over the place... Kimi goes lawnmowing and Massa with massive locks

[keysersoze]

It looks like the li'l feller got some good brakes. :D If he hadn't he'd have tasted Ralf's right rear Bridgestone.

Reckon he's using Brembos?

[N. Jones]

Trulli lost a wheel??

I think it was '05 when Trulli's brakes gave up the ghost on the back straight.
I also seem to remember he was either 3rd or 4th at the time...

[aryan]

Good job by Rosberg, Sato and Rubens in the end.

[donKey jote]

Lost it twice apparently, though I only saw the last one. FR suspension desintegrated...

[ioan]

Toyota's are unsafe - drive into the kerb and the wheel falls off :eek:

Now we know why Ralf isn't willing to push it any harder! He had big ones in better cars, so he is playing it safe!

[andreag]

You're right; he was in a confortable 3rd position, with 7 or 8 laps to go.

[N. Jones]

Hopefully SpeedTV will show the practice later tonight so I can see these mishaps (plus FA's 1:16.5!).

[blakebeatty]

Since TSN carries the broadcast in Canada, practice was blacked out on SPEED, but TSN was showing women's bowling. I was very disapointed to miss what sounded like an eventful practice

[waitey]

can someone please post the full list of times for both friday practise session 1 and 2? My internet isn't working well and i can't check it anywhere.

Also, what happened to Kubica? I don't know his final placings but it didn't sound like he was going to well and he has been quick all season so it would be strange if he was far back.

[N. Jones]

Since TSN carries the broadcast in Canada, practice was blacked out on SPEED, but TSN was showing women's bowling. I was very disapointed to miss what sounded like an eventful practice

It was? Their program schedule said it was on at 2:00est... Looks like I will have to wait for qualifying to see if they show some highlights from practice...

[blakebeatty]

I think in the US, that you would likely still see it on Speed, just in Canada we get robbed on TV coverage when canadian networks buy the rights to programming. like the superbowl for example will be carried on a canadian network (CTV) with advertising sold by CTV, so that we miss all of the hilarious commercials you guys see, and instead get commercials for Main Street Mattress Source and such... Same with the Daytona 500, and such.

[pino]

can someone please post the full list of times for both friday practise session 1 and 2? My internet isn't working well and i can't check it anywhere.


Practice 1 :

1 F Alonso (ESP) McLaren Mercedes 1:17.759
2 L Hamilton (GBR) McLaren Mercedes 1:17.967
3 K Raikkonen (FIN) Ferrari 1:18.136
4 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1:18.167
5 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1:18.301
6 G Fisichella (ITA) Renault 1:18.620
7 N Heidfeld (DEU) BMW 1:18.634
8 R Schumacher (DEU) Toyota 1:18.652
9 D Coulthard (GBR) Red Bull 1:18.717
10 A Davidson (GBR) Super Aguri Formula One 1:18.896
11 T Sato (JPN) Super Aguri Formula One 1:18.898
12 J Trulli (ITA) Toyota 1:18.925
13 J Button (GBR) BAR Honda 1:18.932
14 H Kovalainen (FIN) Renault 1:18.997
15 S Speed (USA) Red Bull 1:19.234
16 K Nakajima (JPN) Williams BMW 1:19.273
17 R Barrichello (BRA) BAR Honda 1:19.937
18 V Liuzzi (ITA) Red Bull 1:20.331
19 C Albers (NLD) Spyker 1:21.251
20 A Sutil (DEU) Spyker 1:21.630

Practice 2 :

1 F Alonso (ESP) McLaren Mercedes 1:16.550
2 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1:17.090
3 L Hamilton (GBR) McLaren Mercedes 1:17.307
4 K Raikkonen (FIN) Ferrari 1:17.557
5 N Heidfeld (DEU) BMW 1:17.827
6 N Rosberg (DEU) Williams BMW 1:17.992
7 R Barrichello (BRA) BAR Honda 1:18.108
8 G Fisichella (ITA) Renault 1:18.130
9 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1:18.181
10 T Sato (JPN) Super Aguri Formula One 1:18.309
11 D Coulthard (GBR) Red Bull 1:18.316
12 R Kubica (POL) BMW 1:18.399
13 J Button (GBR) BAR Honda 1:18.474
14 V Liuzzi (ITA) Red Bull 1:18.493
15 A Davidson (GBR) Super Aguri Formula One 1:18.545
16 S Speed (USA) Red Bull 1:18.602
17 A Wurz (AUT) Williams BMW 1:18.871
18 J Trulli (ITA) Toyota 1:18.895
19 R Schumacher (DEU) Toyota 1:19.331
20 C Albers (NLD) Spyker 1:19.453
21 A Sutil (DEU) Spyker 1:19.662
22 H Kovalainen (FIN) Renault 1:20.519

[Corny]

I saw the first practice and it seemed to me that there are a lot cars having oversteer, maybe something to do with the tyres?

[Garry Walker]

Unless they **** up, this will be an easy 1-2 for McLarens.

[andreag]

Not so easy. Right now they're 1-3.

And don't forget McLaren engines pushed more than neccesary at Monaco, and it can pay here.

I'm expecting a sudden "misterious" Ferrari recovery today.

[Garry Walker]

Not so easy. Right now they're 1-3.

And don't forget McLaren engines pushed more than neccesary at Monaco, and it can pay here.

I'm expecting a sudden "misterious" Ferrari recovery today.

McLarens will be 1-2 in qualy, im pretty sure of that (unless they decide to fuel up one driver a lot, which wouldnt make sense considering how hard this track is for brakes and tyres)

McLarens engines werent pushed more than the Ferrari engines at Monaco.

[andreag]

Well, there's only 4 hours to see it.

[Zico]

Congratulations on Hamilton winning his 1st Pole, and Hiedfeld on seperating the Mclarens/Ferraris... oh and Kimi beating Massa for a change.

Will be interesting to see what strategies the teams have chosen for tomorow.. and interesting to see how Lewis handles it from the front.. cant wait. :)

[jens]

Räikkönen seems to be the lightest if we compare the times of Q2 and Q3?

But anyway - it seems more and more obvious that Ferrari is missing Team Schumacher. Some have denied it, but to me it looks more and more undeniable.

My current thought is that the 2008 title battle will be between McLaren and BMW...

[trumperZ06]

Räikkönen seems to be the lightest if we compare the times of Q2 and Q3?

But anyway - it seems more and more obvious that Ferrari is missing Team Schumacher. Some have denied it, but to me it looks more and more undeniable.

My current thought is that the 2008 title battle will be between McLaren and BMW...

:D BMW's always had very STRONG ENGINES... well suited to high speed tracks. Sauber also has come a long way in chassis development since being aquired by BMW.

;) Still... I would rank them behind both McLaren & Ferrari and currently ahead of Renault. Renault may be suffering from the lack of having a good number 1 driver... but currently, BMW is a bit stronger, as a team.

[Corny]

But anyway - it seems more and more obvious that Ferrari is missing Team Schumacher. Some have denied it, but to me it looks more and more undeniable.

Exactly my thoughts!

Maybe it's not fair to say, and please don't complain me, but IF Michael would've been racing the ferrari this year, I'm sure he would kick McLaren's Ass

[aryan]

Pity the forum was down during the quali.

It was an exciting quali, and Hamilton did the job. Alonso made a msitake in his last attempt. He was beaten by LH today both in practice and quali.

Ferrari didn't pull out a rabbit out of their hat... I am surprised. Either they are very heavy (unlikely) or they have fallen behind McLaren. Interesting to see BMW mix it with the big 4. Nick has been very quick this weekend. His last quali attempt in Q2 was marvelous, after the stewards had deleted his previous time. It was a all-or-nothing lap, and boy did he dliver.

Truli P10 and Ralf at P18. No surprises there.

Good quali by Mark webber. DC has had a very ragged weekend, he isn't happy with the car and can't match mark. We'll see how the race goes, both in terms of Mark's long-run pace and his car's reliability.

Great job by Sato again. P11 is a good starting place, and a solid race might bring the team one or two more points. 'Mysterious' is the best word to describe what Ant claims has happened to him, suddenly losing tyre in his last attempt in Q1.

The Renault mechanics should be very disappointed after getting that car back on track, only to see their boy Heikki drop out of Q1. He is havivng a tough debut isn't he?

Good job by Roseberg as well, and Barichello outqualifying Button once more.

Now, it's time to wait and see...the race.

[VkmSpouge]

Nick Heidfeld posted a very good lap time to get 3rd place from the Ferraris. Mark Webber also did a good job, hopefully his car will hold together in the race.

[waitey]

congratulations to hamilton.

I think rosberg, webber etc are running quite light. Interesting with BMW, could heidfeld be on a light fuel load and kubica on a heavy fuel load in 8th. They seem to be mixing it up a lot.

Can't wait for the race tonight

[aryan]

I think rosberg, webber etc are running quite light. Interesting with BMW, could heidfeld be on a light fuel load and kubica on a heavy fuel load in 8th.


I don't think Nick is necessarily light. Remember that he beat Ferraris in Q2 to P3 as well, when everyone was running light.

[waitey]

I don't think Nick is necessarily light. Remember that he beat Ferraris in Q2 to P3 as well, when everyone was running light.


true, would be good to see bmw get on the podium, they deserve it.

[wmcot]

Why shouldn't it be called the GP du Canada? The race is held in a predominantly francophone city in a primarily francophone province and the name is in one of the country's official languages. If it were called the GP du Canada despite being held in western Canada, you might have a point.

Let's call it the GP of Canada du Quebec and make everyone happy (sort of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim????)

[ioan]

But anyway - it seems more and more obvious that Ferrari is missing Team Schumacher. Some have denied it, but to me it looks more and more undeniable.


Yep, I don't remember a season where Ferrari started with the fastest car just for them to be overtaken after 4 races! They were always able to improve faster than their competitors.

Let's hope for a good race.

[Garry Walker]

as always, my prediction was right for qualy.
My prediction for the race - The only chance Ferraris have to beat one of the McLarens is if that McLaren gets stuck behind Heidfeld after 1st corner. Otherwise, the maccas will run away with it.

Lets hope ron wont give team-orders again to help alonso.

[veeten]

Kubica! :eek: What a crash! :(

[N. Jones]

Oh lord - he wasn't moving when Fox went to break.
I hope he is ok.....

[gm99]

Kubica! :eek: What a crash! :(

I think we should all pray for Robert now - this was one hard crash that unfortunately reminded me very much of Greg Moore's crash at Fontana in 1999. Let's hope Kubica is luckier than Greg...

[Giuseppe F1]

My prayers are with Robert right now - please God let him be safe

[V12]

I think we should all pray for Robert now - this was one hard crash that unfortunately reminded me very much of Greg Moore's crash at Fontana in 1999. Let's hope Kubica is luckier than Greg...

My sentiments exactly - I haven't been this worried about a driver after seeing a crash since Moore's...I'll be keeping my fingers crossed...

[CART]

OMG :(

Did he go head on with the barrier? Oh I hope he is safe.

[Bezza]

Reminds me of Burti at Spa in 2001, thankfully he came away relatively unharmed. Lets hope Kubica is too. That was a nasty crash.

[dont_be_jack]

I missed the crash. What part of the track was it on and any idea of the speed at that time?

[dont_be_jack]

He was knocked out after that first impact. You could tell the way that he was just limp when it came to a stop. I hope that he's okay. that was a terrible crash.

[Kevincal]

I missed it too, but it sounds as if it was horrible... :( I hope he's ok. :( Oh no...I just saw it on replay. :(

[Hoss Ghoul]

That was an awful crash, he was airborn for a good portion of time before the impact.

[Kevincal]

He's ok! :D

[Hoss Ghoul]

Wow, Sato passes Raikkonen...

Fox just reported that Kubica was "stable".

[dont_be_jack]

Just awful crash. I'm hoping that enough of the car took the force and saved him a bit. Fox just reported that an F1 official said he was stable and gave a thumbs up.

[dont_be_jack]

He's ok! :D

Alive is one thing, in one piece is another.

[harvick#1]

good to see Kubica is ok, that was very scary

[tacksharp]

Damn, I hope that report was accurate and he's really OK. I was sick to my stomach for a while there. That HANS device really saved his ass (well, neck actually). Best piece of safety technology I've seen in a long time.

[dont_be_jack]

He has responded, is stable. Team has talked to him. Good nees.

[gm99]

Yeah, just heard he is responsive and can move his arms and legs alright. Thank God for that!

[harvick#1]

why did Fisi and Massa get black flagged :mark: I missed that

also Alonso is having a terrible time in the first turn, 4 times hes run off course

[janneppi]

Did Massa and Fisi pass someone stopped on the pitlane exit red lights?

[gm99]

Massa and Fisi exited the pitlane while the red lights were on - quite like Juan Pablo Montoya a few years ago...

[tacksharp]

Sato!!!!

[harvick#1]

Sato around Alonso :laugh: :D :up:

[gm99]

What an astonishing race - LH's first victory, surprise podium for Alex Wurz, 6th place for Sato - but most importantly, Kubica survived one of the most violent crashes I have ever seen. Even if his leg is broken, he can still consider himself very lucky, indeed.

[aryan]

What a race!

Well done Lewis. Well done Nick.

But imagine where Sato would have ended if not for that torrid pit stop.

Robert is alive, only with a broken leg :( Still, I say he really escaped. I was sick to my stomach watching that crash.

[Ian McC]

Well that really shows the performance of the tyres with that move, but hell, whatever the reason, it was great to see :D :beer:

[bovic]

http://lcn.canoe.com/cgi-bin/stream/player.pl

To see it.. And other news.. Frenchy..

[N. Jones]

I still don't understand why Alonso & Rosberg got 10 seconds but Massa & Fisi got the black flag...

[Big Ben]

I still don't understand why Alonso & Rosberg got 10 seconds but Massa & Fisi got the black flag...

because of the RULES probably

[Kevincal]

Alive is one thing, in one piece is another.

Well, I'm sure many thought he may have died...so when they said he was stable..That's "ok" in my book! ;)

[Kevincal]

And surely Alonso and Kimi's cars weren't running 100%... Still congrats to LH and Sato. ;)

[tacksharp]

And surely Alonso and Kimi's cars weren't running 100%... Still congrats to LH and Sato. ;)

I believe Alonso's problems were his own fault from going off track so many times and probably damaging his car. He's losing his cool. Hamilton is really getting to him!

[truefan72]

What an astonishing race - LH's first victory, surprise podium for Alex Wurz, 6th place for Sato - but most importantly, Kubica survived one of the most violent crashes I have ever seen. Even if his leg is broken, he can still consider himself very lucky, indeed.


couldn't have said it better

[ATF]

I still don't understand why Alonso & Rosberg got 10 seconds but Massa & Fisi got the black flag...

Different crime, different punishment... I think the FIA consider it more dangerous exiting ONTO the track when the red light is on, rather than pitting when the safety car is out. It was the same punishment JPM had 2 years ago so at least we can't moan about the FIA being inconsistent!!

Get well soon to Robert, it really was a terrifying crash, one of the worst i've seen for ages!

And finally, well done to Lewis for breaking the duck - I never thought he would be in contention for the title this year but I really can't see a reason why not, he's been the most consistent of the top 4 all year!! :up:

[N. Jones]

Yeah - I thought Massa & Fisi did the same thing FA & Rosberg did. Now the penalties make sense. It was the same one they gave JPM in 2005.

[Kevincal]

I believe Alonso's problems were his own fault from going off track so many times and probably damaging his car. He's losing his cool. Hamilton is really getting to him!

True, or his first off in the 1st turn caused damage to the car, thus all the following mistakes he made... Who knows. I don't think Hamilton is really getting to him...Alonso has already won 2 Championships...It's not like he's desparate for another...I doubt it. But, the season has a long way to go, I'm sure Hamilton will have a bad day or 2 somewhere along the way... If not, then maybe he really is the next MS...We shall see. :D