2025 Race 19 - USA

[F1nKS]

In two weeks, the USA Race in Austin. Turn 1 is a place where things can go a little crazy. Maybe we see the Battle of Turn One Heights erupt in the Papaya Civil War.

[airshifter]

I really enjoy the COTA track, and I think it's usually a great track for showing the all around performance of the cars on the grid. There is enough variation in corner speeds, elevation changes, and corner profiles to keep it interesting and keep the drivers on their toes. I wish I could find an old thread here where someone that lived local to the track gave impressions, early photos, etc.

And I agree that things could erupt with McLaren. Oscar's radio calls at Singapore made it clear that he wasn't happy, and I think the gloves will be off at some point.... maybe. Oscar is usually really calm and might be able to just chill and get things done on track. He doesn't seem the type to be easily shaken, and Lando usually isn't aggressive enough to push things much on track.

But with Red Bull having seemingly sorted some things out, Max might still be in the mix, potentially taking points from the lead drivers. This could end up being really important for the WDC, because if he is anywhere between the two McLaren drivers points can shift in bigger chunks than if they finish in consecutive positions.



Being that it's my bonus GP in FGP, I hope for a podium of Max, followed by Yuki and Isack.

[Matthew]

The FIA has issued a heat warning (https://www.news.gp/en/fia-issues-heat-warning-for-the-united-states-grand-prix) for Austin, with temperatures expected to climb past 30°C this weekend. The intense heat could really test drivers and teams, affecting tire wear, strategy, and endurance throughout the race.

Despite the heat, a big crowd is expected at COTA as always. Fans can look forward to plenty of events and activities (https://www.fanamp.com/tr/the-best-fan-zones-and-events-at-the-united-states-gp-2025), including concerts by Kygo, Garth Brooks, Turnpike Troubadours, and The Chainsmokers, plus fan zones, racing simulators, pit-stop challenges, driver Q&As, merch pop-ups, and great local food. It is shaping up to be a full F1 festival weekend.

[F1nKS]

The FIA has issued a heat warning (https://www.news.gp/en/fia-issues-heat-warning-for-the-united-states-grand-prix) for Austin, with temperatures expected to climb past 30°C this weekend. The intense heat could really test drivers and teams, affecting tire wear, strategy, and endurance throughout the race.


For Texas standards, this is normal and is not considered INTENSE. Sunday's race is only going to be 84 degrees, which is normal for Austin.

Sprint race pole goes to Max.

1. Max
2. Norris
3. Piastri
4. Hulkenberg

[airshifter]

With all of the driver seeming to have strengths in different sectors the Sprint race could be interesting.

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

[F1nKS]

Verstappen wins the sprint race. Piastri is taken out at turn 1, then hits Norris to creak open the door to Verstappen.

[F1nKS]

Verstappen has a provisional poll. Norris second. Piastri at 7.

[F1nKS]

Verstappen has a provisional poll. Norris second. Piastri at 7.

Final

1. Verstappen
2. Norris
3. Leclerc
4. Russel

Piastri is at 6.

[N. Jones]

That was the worst grand prix at Austin I have ever seen.

[F1nKS]

Verstappen wins. Norris wins. Piastri loses.

[airshifter]

I think one of the big winners was Ferrari. Leclerc rolled the dice with starting on softs, and almost pulled it off for a second place finish. Though Lando got him in the end, it wasn't easy and Charles still earned a solid podium finish. With Lewis in 4th and ahead of Piastri it was quite a change of form for him this weekend as well.

Max was the big winner with the McLarens coming together in the Sprint, and earning easy points while they were out. But taking the pole and converting it to a win once again showed he isn't going to give up without a fight, and the Red Bull is strong enough in his hands to still win races.

A bad weekend for Oscar, but he still retains the lead and most likely the real title challenge is still Lando. It will be interesting to see who keeps their head in the game with the final races, and if either of them will fade. But today as well as the last race proved that Red Bull, Mercedes, and Ferrari might be able to get in the mix enough to cost either leading driver points if they can't stay at the very front. This puts on more pressure if Max is performing, and can be a penalty for a driver having a bad weekend like Oscar did this week.


Most of the better action was back in the pack more, but I did enjoy watching the Charles and Lando battle and seeing how it played out.

[Used to be Starter]

Max was the big winner with the McLarens coming together in the Sprint, and earning easy points while they were out. But taking the pole and converting it to a win once again showed he isn't going to give up without a fight, and the Red Bull is strong enough in his hands to still win races.


Max did a nice job, but the real winner was the factory and designer who found some decent up grades a couple races ago to make the car driveable.

[airshifter]

Max did a nice job, but the real winner was the factory and designer who found some decent up grades a couple races ago to make the car driveable.

No doubt that whatever they found has helped. They were struggling to compete with McLaren but have pulled things back. And they have been a bit tight lipped about what changed beyond the floor, but seem to indicate that somehow they found a wider setup window, so it's easier to adjust things from a baseline setting. Hard to say really if RB stepped up a lot or McLaren slowed down on development, but either way things are closer together. It will be interesting to see if the step up from Ferrari becomes a trend, or if it was more just a fluke. Though McLaren dominated at season start, the others are clawing back towards the front, and it makes things interesting again.

Right now, I think the RB and McLaren are fairly even, with either having possible advantages and disadvantages at differing tracks. I think RB is still better in the high speed and low downforce and McLaren good at the higher downforce tracks. It seems Merc and Ferrari can get in there now and then, but I think that is coming down to just nailing a setup and having a track a driver excels at being enough to challenge the frontrunners at times. Qually is more important than it's been for a while now I think, as well as the track conditions and weather impacting tire management.

And it seems all the front running cars are very temperamental about clean air. A great qually lap or early move by any driver can put the drivers behind on the back foot more so than in previous years. At COTA Lando essentially had the pace of Max, but the dirty air kept him from getting past Leclerc quickly and challenging at the front.

[Used to be Starter]

And it seems all the front running cars are very temperamental about clean air. A great qually lap or early move by any driver can put the drivers behind on the back foot more so than in previous years. At COTA Lando essentially had the pace of Max, but the dirty air kept him from getting past Leclerc quickly and challenging at the front.

Yes, that's the logical result of several years of refining the current formula. All the easy upgrades were found long ago and now its minor but sensitive tweaks that can make a difference. Next year will be interesting as we see who has guessed right and who hasn't. The engineers and designers will be earning their keep for sure.

[airshifter]

Yes, that's the logical result of several years of refining the current formula. All the easy upgrades were found long ago and now its minor but sensitive tweaks that can make a difference. Next year will be interesting as we see who has guessed right and who hasn't. The engineers and designers will be earning their keep for sure.

Part of me wishes we could see better racing on track and wheel to wheel, and I think the only real way to do that is to reduce the aero sensitivity of the cars. But that would mean slowing down development at some point, and that is usually not great for allowing the formula to be more about the car.

TBH I'm worried for next year and the impacts of the engine/motor deployment strategies. I think we are going to end up with cars that lack at times, even with the aero package developing in a new way. Energy management is going to become too big a part in my view. And the "green" fuels thing is just a myth... sure you can make green fuel but only using a lot of energy to make it, so it's more or less counter productive.

BUT.... with such big changes any manufacturer could be the one to put things all together and come out of the gate strong. I almost expect there to be at least one, maybe two, that have a huge advantage at the start of the season.

[Used to be Starter]

BUT.... with such big changes any manufacturer could be the one to put things all together and come out of the gate strong. I almost expect there to be at least one, maybe two, that have a huge advantage at the start of the season.

That's going to be the fun part of next year.

[F1nKS]

Max did a nice job, but the real winner was the factory and designer who found some decent up grades a couple races ago to make the car driveable.

Red Bull has been bringing upgrades each week. They look to have decided to "go for it" this year, and worry about 2026 later.

[Steve Boyd]

Red Bull has been bringing upgrades each week. They look to have decided to "go for it" this year, and worry about 2026 later.I wonder if that's a consequence of Horner's departure?