Silly Season 2026

[giu canbera]

Pajari's year has not been what I expected. Sure, - easy for me to say that from my couch, but I havent felt any glimpse of those "sparks" I (and some of us probably) were expecting. Thoughts?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another clue from Tanak about the future ?

Commenting on the Hyundai car:

"It’s the way it is at the moment and between Central Europe and this one it’s been difficult to do much difference as we have no testing and difficult to prepare only with the shakedown. But it’s more about next year, to be ready for next year.”

[EstWRC]

Let’s just wait for the official Toyota announcement on Monday and then all is clear.

He says so many different things to different journalists

[satnav]

Let’s just wait for the official Toyota announcement on Monday and then all is clear.

He says so many different things to different journalists

That's just Ott being Ott, plays everyone always have always will, the mischievous in him, class.

[Eli]

Let’s just wait for the official Toyota announcement on Monday and then all is clear.

He says so many different things to different journalists

does it also include them changing their ugly livery? (≧▽≦)

[flat_right]

Let’s just wait for the official Toyota announcement on Monday and then all is clear.

Has this been confirmed that it will come on Monday?

[rallyfiend]

There has never, ever been any kind of credible sign that Tanak is really going to Toyota.

For sure Toyota don't want him, and haven't tried to hire him because he is a poor team mate / team player.

Even the Hyundai team / staff don't really want him around because of the way he treats people, and they still resent him for throwing away the manufacturers championship last year, and cost them all their winning bonus.....

But he's the best option for Hyundai compared to others.

It's just that Tanak will have to accept a pay-cut because he has nowhere else to go and no leverage to negotiate.

[bandit12]

There has never, ever been any kind of credible sign that Tanak is really going to Toyota.

For sure Toyota don't want him, and haven't tried to hire him because he is a poor team mate / team player...

Being a Tänak fan myself, I unfortunately have to agree with every word you wrote.

[TypeR]

Didn't know mr Lindströms are here in forum.. exactly know what or who Toyota wants :D
(Tell Colin Clark how things are and they can stop writinf articles :D )
Whole Toyota isn't teamplayer if you think how many times they have let other drivers fight against Evans and take points away..

Tanak was told to let Ogier go for wdc(in Ford) and was asked not to fight Neuville in Greece when he still had possibility for title some years ago.. but he isn't teamplayer lol
It is rally and they are world's top drivers, who fihjt for the only important thing - title. If you want teamsport, play volleyball or go cycling to bring sandwiches and water to teammates..

Have you forgotten that Hyundai had problems with differential homologation(faulty documentation)?
If Tanak hadn't crashed, I believe they had been dsq, not only fined..
Quite sure Toyota would have protested.

[EstWRC]

Yeah this “not being a team player” is such a BS

And how he treats the team then? Says something bad to them or slaps them or what is it? Would like to know

[trykmann]

Yeah this “not being a team player” is such a BS

And how he treats the team then? Says something bad to them or slaps them or what is it? Would like to know

I've understood most criticism is about his communication. He is there to win and is straightforward about the things he wants or is unhappy about. I don't see it as a bad thing, but a lot of people like to be more diplomatic.

Adamo seems to have a similar approach towards winning, where nothing else is important.

[EstWRC]

Has this been confirmed that it will come on Monday?

It has been so the last three years but the difference this time is that Japan isn’t the last rally.

Makes sense to announce as they all are there

[meh]

At the moment, it seems that Evans is not a favourite guy here because he is too nice, and Tänak is not a favourite guy because he is not nice :)

But one interesting comment from the last stage end interview (Rally Japan, SS13) that hinted quite a lot - after the usual "nothing to say" part:
Molly asked: do you still like to drive a rally car?
Tänak: yes, but the proper rally car.

We can assume that there is one and only proper rally car for him.

At the moment, I'm already in the state that I would be really-really surprised if Tänak will NOT go to Toyota.

And if he does, then comes the reality as well - is it actually about the car or not? He will lose "the car argument" and need to always deliver. At the same time, we can see that "a newbie" (compared to Tänak) Fourmaux can put the complained car to work as well.

[deephouse]

Does he honestly believe that he will be straight away superior in Toyota (if he will go there). How much time did he need to adopt to Puma or i20?

[Morte66]

Does he honestly believe that he will be straight away superior in Toyota (if he will go there). How much time did he need to adopt to Puma or i20?

The Yaris does seem like a relatively straightforward car that drivers get used to easily. But still, there will be some learning curve.

[trykmann]

The Yaris does seem like a relatively straightforward car that drivers get used to easily. But still, there will be some learning curve.

Oliver talked about Rally Estonia prepartions in the latest WRC podcast . He talked with Ogier about the car setup and his response was, that the car itself is already comfortable to drive, but you can still adjust it a bit.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

More drivers need Fourmaux's attitude...

“I’ll just forget all the complaining now and focus on driving. We’ll use what we have and push.'

[EstWRC]

More drivers need Fourmaux's attitude...

“I’ll just forget all the complaining now and focus on driving. We’ll use what we have and push.'

What this had to do with silly season?

[EstWRC]

The Yaris does seem like a relatively straightforward car that drivers get used to easily. But still, there will be some learning curve.

Exactly, it seems very easy to setup to whoever drives it. Just look at the history, whenever a fast driver jumps in it, he is fast and comfortable with it right away. Oliver is the best sample this year.

And my second assumption is that from Tanaks movie and interviews at that time, I have understood that he and Ogier liked pretty much the same setup and car. And seeing how well Ogier is driving with it then I’m pretty sure that Tänak would also.

Of course this isn’t guaranteed and we will see if we will find it out next year or not.

[focus206]

More drivers need Fourmaux's attitude...

“I’ll just forget all the complaining now and focus on driving. We’ll use what we have and push.'

If you push when driving style and car don't match, you go off. It's not a matter of psychology, it's a matter of Fourmaux's driving style suiting this Hyundai.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What this had to do with silly season?

Several earlier posts were about adapting to a (new) car re if Tanak moves to Toyota.

[Negaiss]

Uncorfirmed sources (my analaysis) points to Ogier full 2026 season in Hyundai. But only if Ogier wins 2025. If he does not win in 2025 (Championship), then he will only do Monte carlo for couple of years (in whatever car he is ofered to drive).

[deephouse]

Ogier can be the greatest driver of WRC:
-if he will win 9th title
-he will win it with Toyota (3rd different car and team)
-on a part season

But he will probably never drive Hyundai

[flat_right]

Uncorfirmed sources (my analaysis) points to Ogier full 2026 season in Hyundai.

This is so crazy that I haven’t even thought about it. But totally on topic.

[TypeR]

This is so crazy that I haven’t even thought about it. But totally on topic.
Twitter would ban his wife forever from there before Monte-Carlo can even finish :D

[1988senna]

That can only prove one thing, Tanak and Toyota will be together 2026



Uncorfirmed sources (my analaysis) points to Ogier full 2026 season in Hyundai. But only if Ogier wins 2025. If he does not win in 2025 (Championship), then he will only do Monte carlo for couple of years (in whatever car he is ofered to drive).

[rallyfiend]

The only thing Tanak will be driving next year is his Porsche and his tractor

[bandit12]

The only thing Tanak will be driving next year is his Porsche and his tractor

But tell me, what bit you? Constructive criticism is fine, but you’re being especially mean.

[EstWRC]

Tänak has a Porsche?

He doesn’t seem like a Porsche guy

[bandit12]

I don’t think he has a Hyundai Santa Fe either...

[flat_right]

There has never, ever been any kind of credible sign that Tanak is really going to Toyota.


Wanted to comment this old post that although it is true, then there are still some mixed signals. Hyundai saying that they still wait for Tänak’s signing, Ott saying that the team will announce the it when they are ready and the biggest mixed signal is that Tänak has been in a good mood for a couple of events while being in a title hunt with an underivable car.

[rallyfiend]

I just think he will not be competing. That’s all.

No Hyundai, and Toyota was never an option

[BlueStrike]

Well, retirement it is.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yep confirmed.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G5TeilSawAIhPb7?format=jpg&name=medium

[TypeR]

Oh, fu.

Why all that theater then..

[denkimi]

So both rovanpera and tanak retiring. Ogier can go win another 5 titles if he wants.

[realtimati]

Can't believe it happened. From Pirelli Star Driver up to this point, man... as a fan of motorsport, this era will stay with me forever. Could talk for hours how there was this big void after Markko's premature retirement and emergence of Ott, but no need. Damn. I'm gonna be in a real state for a while.

[Tauri_J]

Thats not retirement.

Break from full time rallying.

[BlueStrike]

Copium says Ott can’t be bothered with Hyundai anymore and driving in 2026 would be basically worthless for 2027 onwards anyway. So he‘ll take the year off, enjoy family life and see if anything worthwhile lands on his desk in six to nine months‘ time.

Regular brain says this is more likely to be a Häkkinen sabbatical situation and wishes him and his family all the best.

[Morte66]

Lol.

[Odd]

Haha not even a part time drive. Dont worry he owns RedGrey which is competing in wrc2 already. He can do some outings in the future with his own team. Thank you for everything Ott.

[spyros]

Something is wrong here, 1st Kalle and now Ott, wrc is dying.

[EstWRC]

I’m in shock at the moment, don’t even have any words to say

This is the last option I was expecting

[focus206]

I guess that is what's best for him, he smiled much more recently. I can imagine Ott being glad of not having to drive this village team's car again.
I think it's still possible to see him back in 2027 with the new cars, if not then it's full retirement.

[EstWRC]

“This is not a final goodbye to rallying. It’s simply a chance to reset, recharge and refocus. I still love the sport deeply and I’m sure I’ll continue to be around in one way or another. Rallying will always be a part of me and I’ll always be proud of what we’ve achieved together.

This sounds like he would do some rallies?

[denkimi]

Who knows. Maybe he will be bored out of his mind in 6 months. Or maybe he won't, and he'll never return.

[dimviii]

amazing words at Otts announcement,very emotional.Wish the best to him.

[spyros]

If Seb leaves also that means 3 WDC out of the sport and only 1 (Thierry ) stay. The lack of Manus and FIA mistakes destroys our sport,shame.

[Kras]

Gotta feel sorry for Solberg and Formaux. Imagine emerging as top new talent in a dying sport.

I can't even imagine how boring next year is gonna be

[Morte66]

1 (Thierry ) stay.

The month is young. And he's been smiling a lot this year too, as cars fell apart under him. ;)

[spyros]

Look at moto gp (I'm fan all these years ) and the sport grows and every year new talents came in and is very competitive.

[Tauri_J]

Hopefully Estonia and Finland with Toyota.

[becher]

The month is young. And he's been smiling a lot this year too, as cars fell apart under him. ;)

I think he was smiling because it dawned on him that 2024 really was his last chance to win a championship and he took it.

[Dontcut]

Hopefully Estonia and Finland with Toyota.
Actually my first thought was shared part time with Ogier in Toyota

[Morte66]

I think he was smiling because it dawned on him that 2024 really was his last chance to win a championship and he took it.

You might be right. And that would make him a wise man.

[240RS]

With Tanak gone, what does he know that we don't???

For one, it raises the real possibility that Hyundai may be walking away at the end of 2026. Toyota is the only manufacturer looking assured of continuing with a proper program. I can only hope that that won't be the case. We need more, not less,

[BlueStrike]

DirtFish just put the word out that Hyundai offered Tänak a ginormous amount of money to stay, and Ott still walked away.

Tells you everything you need to know, I think. Other than that, I think Colin Clark really summed my thoughts up well in the first minute or so.

https://youtu.be/7ySjefw9DMU

[focus206]

I think he was smiling because it dawned on him that 2024 really was his last chance to win a championship and he took it.

I've thought of that as well. Neuville must be very glad that he took the (probably) last chance of his career, everything that comes after is a bonus. And seeing this year's trash Hyundai and he not fitting with the new car/tyres, he must be feeling "Whew, just in time".

[AndersX]

Well, i am one of those who still remembers teenager Tanak with Saaremaa built Golf II, then saga with russian Syrus team yellow Clio gearboxes , his Pirelli Star drive qualification drives and so on. All this long ride was a massive growth of him as a personality. And his driving was from the fastest we have ever seen in rally.

I say: this is very interesting decision by OT, expect him back with one of the new brands under new rules. His friend Ogier showed him that taking some time off, can bring even more out later.

[Rallyper]

Also remember Ott in Pirelli shoot out in Jyväskylä 2009. First time I saw his name on a rallycar (I think Mitsubishi Evo IX, or so). It has been a pleasur watching him during the years. Also met him personally back in the Ford days.
For those who think Ogier is so stupid he´d go for WDC next year, I´d say, forget it. It´s like stealing candy from a child going for WDC 2026.

[Odd]

I will just leave this here…
https://youtu.be/kiZQDUDdooI?si=msUJboJ5tViBvmXe

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I’m in shock at the moment, don’t even have any words to say

This is the last option I was expecting

I'm only surprised due to all the rumours of Toyota, but in my own mind I thought retirement was more likely. I never saw him going to Toyota and his demeanor meant a big change was coming so that was only quitting.

A huge blow to WRC as the guy is a star and generated so much interest and discussion. And TBH I dont see him coming back as a full-time driver in a WRC2027 or Rally2 car after the performance he's experienced in Rally1.

[WRCStan]

If Seb leaves also that means 3 WDC out of the sport and only 1 (Thierry ) stay. The lack of Manus and FIA mistakes destroys our sport,shame.

Not destroyed, everyone calling for Rally2 and local drivers every podium is getting what they campaigned for.

[giu canbera]

Safer cars that could be adapted to acommodate SUV bodies were the plan. It didnt worked
Hybrids engines were the plan. It didnt worked.
RedBull had 30min highlights from EACH DAY of the events FOR FREE on their website. It didnt worked
WRC tried to ramp up social media. It didnt worked
Dirt Fish entered the game doing an awesome jobe on the events. It didnt worked (well it did for us hardcore fans)
Seb dont want to do full seasons anymore, Kalle took a year off and now is leaving, Ott is taking a year off or so,
Hyundai wanst to leave, Msport dont have money. Manufacturers dont care about rallying

I have no idea what anyone can do to help WRC.
Maybe its just a "timming" thing. Maybe things get cooler again in 3 years "Just Because".
Who knows.

[saco0o]

Not destroyed, everyone calling for Rally2 and local drivers every podium is getting what they campaigned for.

theres no other option tbf. i doubt fia just sat with every shareholder one day and said "rally2s, screw it". they did tried other ideas, but no one wanted

[Morte66]

I think he was smiling because it dawned on him that 2024 really was his last chance to win a championship and he took it.

Or... since we have, in this thread, in the last 24 hours, learned that Ogier is going to Hyundai, perhaps Neuville is smiling because he knows he'll drive for Toyota next year?

:)

[Dimitris]

I would not bet on that

[WRCStan]

Neuville already signed with Hyundai according to the Wikipedia contract tracker.

[Morte66]

Neuville already signed with Hyundai according to the Wikipedia contract tracker.

I was poking fun (I find this thread very silly), but there's a contract tracker? Wow, cool.

[deephouse]

I came across this video on YT with headline, Ott leaving WRC from DirtFish. Just shocked. We finally have got 4,5 title contenders, and now it will reduce again, and if Ogier will leave too, it will be down to 1 or 2. I don't see anyone else right now or in the next 2, 3 years challenging enough to say, they are on the same level than all of those guys... Except if Neuville and Evans will walk out too. Then it will be between Katsuta and Fourmaux (and maybe Solberg)

[saco0o]

I was poking fun (I find this thread very silly), but there's a contract tracker? Wow, cool.

when the wrc2026 wiki's page gets an update they gotta post the sources. this is the source they used for tierry's contract
https://rallyjournal.com/major-driver-deal-sealed-in-the-world-rally-championship/

[WRCStan]

I came across this video on YT with headline, Ott leaving WRC from DirtFish. Just shocked. We finally have got 4,5 title contenders, and now it will reduce again, and if Ogier will leave too, it will be down to 1 or 2. I don't see anyone else right now or in the next 2, 3 years challenging enough to say, they are on the same level than all of those guys... Except if Neuville and Evans will walk out too. Then it will be between Katsuta and Fourmaux (and maybe Solberg)

I wouldn't be surprised if there are more A-list announcements yet. Nobody is certain but Neuville.

[WRC1]

I will just leave this here…
https://youtu.be/kiZQDUDdooI?si=msUJboJ5tViBvmXe

wow....nothing more to say, incredible ......hope he comes back 27

[macebig]

Maybe it's time for decisions. Doubtful WRC will make it through 2026 with only Toyota as a fully focused competitor. Hyundai are very clearly out and Ford's/M-Sport commitment is questionable. Go to Rally 2s with the current cars for a 2-3 year window and start a major restructure for 2028 or 29. It will at least give a Lancia vs Toyota headline that will help spark interest back. Plus the Fiesta Rally 2 is still very competitive while Skoda can provide a challenge. Ben Sulayem should stop bitching with Liberty and spend some time at the sport that made his name.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not destroyed, everyone calling for Rally2 and local drivers every podium is getting what they campaigned for.

What was your answer / alternative ?

Rally1 was too expensive. Hyundai were going to leave. M-Sport were struggling with only young pay drivers. Toyota cant carry the sport alone.

Rovanpera is leaving because he wants to race. And Tanak (he says) for personal reasons. Some new stars will emerge, they always have.

[Rallyper]

I think we are at a situation almost like in 1986 when GrB went out and we got GrA instead.

Now WRC will start maybe not from step one but in some sort in the same way we had in the 80´s.

I can see a freshening new order with new cars, new drivers mixed with some older comebacks. Just think. There might be an open road for guys liks Meeke, Sordo, Paddon, mixed with some new youngsters. And thsoe we already have and know of. More teams come with cheaper cars.

[EstWRC]

Järveoja also with a statement now and says it was their mutual decision

And mentions again that it’s not the finish line but rather like a break.

I really wonder what they will do, both him and Ott leave it open like they would so couple of rounds.

I hope they at least drive in Rally Estonia

[Eli]

Sad day for the sport honestly, really hope that 3rd seat at Hyundai will be something who has yet to sample WRC top class and if not, for the love of all things holly, can we have Paddon back please???

[spyros]

Wrc is dying, and nobody cares, except us hardcore rally fans, we are minority my friends.

[WRCStan]

What was your answer / alternative ?

Rally1 was too expensive. Hyundai were going to leave. M-Sport were struggling with only young pay drivers. Toyota cant carry the sport alone.

Rovanpera is leaving because he wants to race. And Tanak (he says) for personal reasons. Some new stars will emerge, they always have.

It's clear to me that a tour of paid elites isn't popular with many fans who say 'go to Rally2 and the elites will have to face larger fields and local privateers'. I and a small bunch of others have said for many years that this is the best way to drive the elites out of the sport. We lost 2 WDCs in the last weeks and there was the suggestion of the 8/9 timer too. That's all that was behind that post.

No need for us to firmly fix Tanak retiring with a move to Rally2 either, my post wasn't about tech specs, costs etc. And he may even return for WRC2027. If your question was how to retain the elites and continue as-was, then we're in the wrong thread.

[WRCStan]

Sad day for the sport honestly, really hope that 3rd seat at Hyundai will be something who has yet to sample WRC top class and if not, for the love of all things holly, can we have Paddon back please???

At least you're confident there will be a 3rd seat.

[Odd]

If it is true that Hyundai wanted to knock Tänak out cold with bricks of cash then one could assume that they still want to continue rallying.

[becher]

If it is true that Hyundai wanted to knock Tänak out cold with bricks of cash then one could assume that they still want to continue rallying.
Stuff like that used to give me hope for the team but this season it was clear that the team got sized down and there was a lack of investment.

Neuville already alluded to it this weekend that the technical trouble are not just bad luck.

Those conflicting signals tell me the whole team is in a similar situation as Alpine is in F1. Competent people held back by corporate indecision and utter missmanagement by the people at Hyundai it self not the people in the team.

Anyway hopefully there will be a third car, who will be in it doesn't really matter to me but I doubt it will be Rossel, he wouldn't make sense alongside Fourmaux. Neither would Gryazin in my opinion, but I believe he would have enough funding?

[mknight]

On second thought I also find it strange that Gryazin gets mentioned, for multiple reasons.

- He is neither youth nor experienced (in top tier)
- He got more stable last years but also lost a lot of speed
- His origin and the origin of his funding are a hidden PR bomb

Similarly I find it strange that somebody mentions Meeke. Paddon is also a long shot but would be interesting.

I expect at least two different drivers sharing the car, simply because there is no clean pick.
I also expect at least one to be experienced.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sad day for the sport honestly, really hope that 3rd seat at Hyundai will be something who has yet to sample WRC top class and if not, for the love of all things holy, can we have Paddon back please???

Definitely this. Paddon is the perfect choice with his huge experience. And even for 2027 in the i20 Rally2 car as he's the only one who's made it a winner (in ERC x2).

[AndersX]

Definitely this. Paddon is the perfect choice with his huge experience. And even for 2027 in the i20 Rally2 car as he's the only one who's made it a winner (in ERC x2).
Logic votes -Paddon, he deserves another chance, but Hyundai is Hyundai - who knows their logic.

[saco0o]

paddon last years were great
2 nz titles, 2 ERC titles and he just won the australian championship title - today!
theres this reaaaally small amount of fans telling him to go do the american championship next year...
but yeah, for us fans paddon back in wrc would be awesome! not sure he is interested tho.
maybe 2027

[denkimi]

On second thought I also find it strange that Gryazin gets mentioned, for multiple reasons.

- He is neither youth nor experienced (in top tier)
- He got more stable last years but also lost a lot of speed
- His origin and the origin of his funding are a hidden PR bomb

Similarly I find it strange that somebody mentions Meeke. Paddon is also a long shot but would be interesting.

I expect at least two different drivers sharing the car, simply because there is no clean pick.
I also expect at least one to be experienced.
Gryazin is the best available rc2 driver after solberg. The only thing that has held him back for many year now is him being russian.


Definitely this. Paddon is the perfect choice with his huge experience. And even for 2027 in the i20 Rally2 car as he's the only one who's made it a winner (in ERC x2).
Paddon's last wrc season was 2018, and even then only partially. He is done for it. He just doesn't have the experience needed anymore. He has never driven a new rc1 car, or done a wrc recce for 8 years.

People can dream, but some dream are just stupid.

[WRCStan]

Gryazin presumably also brings budget. If Hyundai do go the M-Sport route running out of Belgium, it's a good shout.

[giu canbera]

Gryazin (and Rossell) signed with Lancia... no?
Bad timming

[mknight]

Gryazin is the best available rc2 driver after solberg. The only thing that has held him back for many year now is him being russian.

.

I rank Rossel above Gryazin. Gryazin used to be very fast and unreliable, now he is reliable but not much faster than others.

In all those years in WRC2 Gryazin never had a real shot at title. Rossel was extremely close multiple times.

Anyway for both of them the questions is what they already signed and whether it can be cancelled.

Talking about the experienced drivers I really only count the 3 that drove Hyundai last year. Out of them Sordo has best chance if they go for part time, Mikkelsen if they want one for full season (which is unlikely) and Lappi if they want one just for fast snow/gravel.

Again it is hardest to pick a driver for tarmac, Rossel (or Gryazin) would fit that role.

Still the big part of the decision is what Toyota would do and what are Hyundai's actual aims for next season and future. Problem is they cannot seem to decide.

[becher]

Gryazin (and Rossell) signed with Lancia... no?
Bad timming
"Signed for" are big words for them having done a deal to drive the current Stellantis Rally2 for
another season.

If Hyundai comes knocking that deal is done for sure.

[Steve Boyd]

Järveoja also with a statement now and says it was their mutual decision

And mentions again that it’s not the finish line but rather like a break.

I really wonder what they will do, both him and Ott leave it open like they would so couple of rounds.

I hope they at least drive in Rally EstoniaMust be going off to do the Historic ERC with Jari Matti then! :)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Solberg confirmed with TGR
Munster out of M-Sport

[spyros]

Solberg confirmed with TGR
Munster out of M-Sport

where did you hear that ?

[deephouse]

Solberg confirmed with TGR
Munster out of M-Sport

Munster could do a season in WRC2 or BRC like many used to and come back stronger

[AMSS]

https://rallyjournal.com/toyota-reveals-2026-wrc-line-up-heres-who-replaces-kalle-rovanpera/

[TypeR]

Solberg full season with Toyota confirmed

[BobJones]

Solberg, Evans, Pajari, Katsuta for the full season, Ogier for "more than half" in Toyotas.

https://www.threads.com/@tgr_wrc/post/DQ3eQ2akcEW?xmt=AQF0vkhqAYHAFVvd2ZA_jc-CNk_bipgru0UXs500dHE3oucWHwXHIwKUDb0Z91H6OkTcqn8-&source_surface=35&slof=1

[CeskyOndra]

Solberg, Evans, Pajari, Katsuta for the full season, Ogier for "more than half" in Toyotas.

https://www.threads.com/@tgr_wrc/post/DQ3eQ2akcEW?xmt=AQF0vkhqAYHAFVvd2ZA_jc-CNk_bipgru0UXs500dHE3oucWHwXHIwKUDb0Z91H6OkTcqn8-&source_surface=35&slof=1

Ogier doing "part-time" program as always, hahahah, enough of jokes

[BobJones]

There's such a small talent pool for that third Hyundai seat I think... No one that stands out as the obvious choice.

[EstWRC]

So an Estonian joined Toyota after all ;)

Eighteen-year-old Estonian Jasper Vaher becomes the first non-Japanese driver to join Toyota’s WRC Challenge Program, and will compete in a GR Yaris Rally2 next season.

Two-time Estonian junior champion Vaher was chosen from a five-driver selection process held in Finland earlier this year, and he’ll take on a mixture of WRC, ERC and national championship events alongside third-generation Program drivers Shotaro Goto and Takumi Matsushita.

Keep an eye out on this guy I say!

[meh]

A bit offtopic, but...
https://x.com/TGR_WRC/status/1987777021242659242/photo/1

From a certain age, based on this picture from 36 to 40, you start wearing your shirt in pants.

[focus206]

I imagine Ogier will do exactly as 2024 and 2025: skip a couple of rounds and if the standings are looking good, go for the title.

[Dontcut]

And the older you get, the higher you wear trousers.

[becher]

I imagine Ogier will do exactly as 2024 and 2025: skip a couple of rounds and if the standings are looking good, go for the title.

For sure.

[GigiGalliNo1]

where did you hear that ?

It’s been in the works 🤭

[GigiGalliNo1]

Not really, it’s more professional and mature look. It’s how you present your self. Young people don’t feel comfortable with a tucked in shirt, I’m a mix of both but this instance better to have in. He’s also French.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So the obvious happened and Solberg joined Toyota in a straight replacement for Rovanpera. I cant believe anyone thought anything else would happen. They keep it simple and dont rock a steady ship.

[trykmann]

Translated interview with Jaspar Vaher from Estonian Powerstage.ee

This morning, November 10, the long-circulating rumor was officially confirmed — 18-year-old Japsar Vaher will become a member of Toyota Gazoo Racing’s WRC Challenge Program next season.
Powerstage got in touch with Vaher to find out how the Japanese team discovered the talented young driver, what happened during the test, and more.

How did the opportunity to take part in the WRC Challenge Program test come about?

A couple of weeks before the test, I was contacted and asked whether I would be interested in such an opportunity.

Jaspar, please tell us a bit about the WRC Challenge Program test, where you were ultimately selected.

The test, which had five participants in total, took place in Finland at the end of the summer. We spent a few days driving four-wheel-drive cars — the Toyota GR Yaris Rally2 and the Renault Clio Rally3.

In addition to the driving sessions, there were also physical endurance tests, which included running, strength exercises, and flexibility assessments.

How did you feel in the Toyota Rally2 car, and had you driven a Rally2 car before?

It was my first time driving a Rally2 car, and in general, I have very little experience with four-wheel-drive cars. However, I got a good feeling with the Toyota Rally2 very quickly, as it’s a great car with very logical handling.

According to Toyota’s press release, you’ll be competing in local championships as well as ERC and WRC events. How much do you know right now about, for example, your first rally of the season?

To be honest, I don’t know that yet. At the moment, I’m not signed up for any particular championship, but I think we’ll start the season in January with some winter rallies. I can’t say exactly which rally yet, since it depends a lot on snow conditions. As mentioned in the press release, I’ll definitely be seen at rounds of different national championships, and possibly at some ERC and WRC events as well.

Your first season will probably be something of a learning year, since you have no previous Rally2 experience and will also face new rallies you haven’t driven before?

Yes, since this will essentially be a training season, my progress will be closely monitored throughout, and based on that it will be decided which rallies I’ll be sent to. I don’t have a specific goal set for me yet — the main task will be to learn and gather experience. It would be unrealistic to expect crazy speed from me right away.

Before the season starts, have you already tested or will you get more testing time in the Rally2 car?

I’ve already had a bit of seat time in the Toyota GR Yaris Rally2, and I’ll have a few more test days before the season begins. With every kilometer, the feeling gets better and better.

This season, you competed in the ERC with Sander Pruul and in the Italian Championship with Rait Jansen. Which of them will be your co-driver in Toyota’s WRC Challenge Program?

Rait Jansen will be sitting next to me in the Toyota WRC Challenge Program tests and rallies.

Toyota’s press release mentioned that you’ll be supported and guided by experienced Finnish mentors. Who will your mentor be?

The mentors in Toyota’s WRC Challenge Program are Mikko Hirvonen, Jouni Ampuja, and Juho Hänninen. My mentor will be Hänninen.

https://powerstage.ee/eesti-autoralli/toyota-wrc-challenge-programmiga-liitunud-jaspar-vaher-tunnetus-tuli-toyota-gr-rally2-autoga-vaga-kiiresti/

[meh]

So the obvious happened and Solberg joined Toyota in a straight replacement for Rovanpera. I cant believe anyone thought anything else would happen. They keep it simple and dont rock a steady ship.

Well, before Tänak's announcement yesterday, there was a possibility or idea that Tänak may join the team one way or another, but it could change something in the current obvious scenario. It did not happen. Yet.

[macebig]

Guess if Ogier wins the WDC, he will go for the 10th title in 2026 to break Loeb's record. If Evans beats him, he will probably go full part time.

[saco0o]

taka full time again.
why?
he is NOT a rally1 driver imo. great character, but just nope for a rally1

[wyler]

taka full time again.
why?
he is NOT a rally1 driver imo. great character, but just nope for a rally1

why not? there's no one better at the moment, solberg and pajari are already in, and rally2 prospect are still in development.

[saco0o]

why not? there's no one better at the moment, solberg and pajari are already in, and rally2 prospect are still in development.

no idea tbf, sorry about the negativity
but 6 seasons on the best car out there and 'nothing'. i dont understand

[wyler]

no idea tbf, sorry about the negativity
but 6 seasons on the best car out there and 'nothing'. i dont understand

i think that's the general level of the "2nd tier" drivers: enough top5 placement, some podiums, maybe a lucky win...

[Morte66]

taka full time again.
why?
he is NOT a rally1 driver imo. great character, but just nope for a rally1

Is he full time driving, or full time driving for manufacturer points? That is the question.

With Evans + Solberg + Pajari + Katsuta + partial Ogier, and three drivers for manu points per team in any given rally, there is a lot still to be revealed.

Will they go for a second team again? This year Pajari drove for Toyota 2 for manu points, which blocked him from driving for main team, presumably to minimise mental pressure. Next year, who knows?

If Katsuta comes along as a "decorative" driver again, because marketing will pay the marginal cost of one extra driver, I'm not that bothered. Basically we get to see 10 cars instead of 9 because he's Japanese.

Also... for "not a rally 1 driver", he has too many podiums. He gave Evans a very close run in Sweden this year. I reckon Hyundai would consider him for their third car if he was at M-Sport now.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Well, before Tänak's announcement yesterday, there was a possibility or idea that Tänak may join the team one way or another, but it could change something in the current obvious scenario. It did not happen. Yet.

There was never a possibility. Toyota never had any intention of bringing in Tanak, it was all rumours by fans dreaming. Even Tanak himself said so early on.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

no idea tbf, sorry about the negativity
but 6 seasons on the best car out there and 'nothing'. i dont understand

He's Japanese, simple as.

Plus Toyota run 5 cars, so no-one can complain he's taking a seat when others only run 2 or 3 cars.

[deephouse]

I think if Rovanpera wouldn't retire, it would be different story with Taka. Because I don't think they would let go Ogier to bring Solberg onboard.

[BobJones]

Is he full time driving, or full time driving for manufacturer points? That is the question.

With Evans + Solberg + Pajari + Katsuta + partial Ogier, and three drivers for manu points per team in any given rally, there is a lot still to be revealed.

Will they go for a second team again? This year Pajari drove for Toyota 2 for manu points, which blocked him from driving for main team, presumably to minimise mental pressure. Next year, who knows?

Agreed, this is the key point - I suspect Solberg goes straight to the first team, and Katsuta drives alongside Sami in the 'b-team', apart from on rallies where Ogier skips.

[Morte66]

Agreed, this is the key point - I suspect Solberg goes straight to the first team, and Katsuta drives alongside Sami in the 'b-team', apart from on rallies where Ogier skips.

I think they'll have to be a little careful over eligibility, so their 4th driver can remain eligible to drive for manu points in the main team if there's an injury/illness in the top three. I think if you drive for manu points in the second team, that stops you doing it in the first team for the rest of the season.

I assume Evans and Ogier (when entered) will always be nominated for manu points, but it'll be interesting to see who else. I expect the de facto "#3" driver will be whoever else is nominated for manu points at Monte. And whoever they additionally nominate in Sweden (assuming Ogier skips it) will be #4.

[EstWRC]

Latvala to Delfi Estonia: "I think every driver, when their contract is about to expire, starts to look around and ask the teams what the options are. Ott also contacted us and asked about the situation, but we had the lineup together by then," Latvala commented.

[Sulland]

Ford/MSport
- ?
- ?
- ?

Maybe:
- Sesks
- Mikkelsen
- Brynildsen


Hyundai
- Neuville
- Fourmaux
- ?

Maybe
- Mikkelsen
- Gryazin

Toyota
- Evans
- Solberg
- Pajari
- ?
- Ogier, part time

Maybe
- Katsuta

Who have I forgotten and who else do you see in the race for a seat?

[AndersX]

Latvala to Delfi Estonia: "I think every driver, when their contract is about to expire, starts to look around and ask the teams what the options are. Ott also contacted us and asked about the situation, but we had the lineup together by then," Latvala commented.

Latvala killed all the buzz. If this is as they report, then most probably Tanak did not like to keep driving that Sh...Box and as Toyota was fully booked, he better spend time with the family, recharge and returns on white horse from Italy.

[EstWRC]

Latvala killed all the buzz. If this is as they report, then most probably Tanak did not like to keep driving that Sh...Box and as Toyota was fully booked, he better spend time with the family, recharge and returns on white horse from Italy.

Well that’s quite obvious, like dirtish said Hyundai offered him even more money but he still walked away.

He just had enough

[deephouse]

With Latvala said this and with Tanak/Jarveoja's claim "for now", it could be that they will be back in 2027. Maybe he will secretly prepare with Rally2 cars (Lancia, Toyota, Skoda maybe...) to instantly attack 2027 championship, when most of Rally1 drivers will not be ready (in case the championship will go down this route and seems more and more likely it will be that case)

[1988senna]

Colin Clark's full thoughts on Tänak's decision are available on Club DirtFish

https://www.patreon.com/posts/colin-clarks-to-143173871

Anybody have the subscribe member ? can tell us what's the Colin conclusion?

[BobJones]

Toyota
- Evans
- Solberg
- Pajari
- ?
- Ogier, part time

Maybe
- Katsuta


Katsuta is confirmed.

[Kenneth]

Agreed, this is the key point - I suspect Solberg goes straight to the first team, and Katsuta drives alongside Sami in the 'b-team', apart from on rallies where Ogier skips.

Iirc it's not possible to change a team mid season, so Taka will probably drive in main team, just won't be nominated when Ogi would skip an event.

[denkimi]

Latvala to Delfi Estonia: "I think every driver, when their contract is about to expire, starts to look around and ask the teams what the options are. Ott also contacted us and asked about the situation, but we had the lineup together by then," Latvala commented.
So toyota or retirement. How bad must hyundai be.

[becher]

Colin Clark's full thoughts on Tänak's decision are available on Club DirtFish

https://www.patreon.com/posts/colin-clarks-to-143173871

Anybody have the subscribe member ? can tell us what's the Colin conclusion?
I think it goes something like this: "Goodbye, now I have even more time to lick Ogiers boots"

[sti123]

So toyota or retirement. How bad must hyundai be.

More than ~5-6 000 000€ bad as this has been his estimated annual salary per last three years at Hyundai. For the 2026, team offered him more than ever has been paid. Respect to Ott for that, family comes first.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

If he doesn't believe he can win the Championship, I wonder if he thinks, is it worth the risk at these speeds, in a car I dont trust.

Life is too precious.

[rallyfiend]

More than ~5-6 000 000€ bad as this has been his estimated annual salary per last three years at Hyundai. For the 2026, team offered him more than ever has been paid. Respect to Ott for that, family comes first.

This salary took a very big reduction hit when he both left to go to M-Sport, and then again when he returned to Hyundai.

He had no leverage so had to take a hit when returning to Hyundai. So maybe they did offer him an increase to stay, but it was starting from a much, much lower base. The win bonus was high, but you need to be winning to get that benefit....

[flat_right]

This salary took a very big reduction hit when he both left to go to M-Sport, and then again when he returned to Hyundai.



Source?

[becher]

Source?

Common sense I guess. M-Sport was certainly not paying what Hyundai paid him when he was hired on a multi year deal as reigning (or soon to be world champion).

When he wanted to come back he had zero other options bar staying at home. You think Hyundai offered him the same as in 2019 when he was the beggar rather than the chooser in 2023/24?

[sti123]

This salary took a very big reduction hit when he both left to go to M-Sport, and then again when he returned to Hyundai.

He had no leverage so had to take a hit when returning to Hyundai. So maybe they did offer him an increase to stay, but it was starting from a much, much lower base. The win bonus was high, but you need to be winning to get that benefit....

You can get this turnover info even on the paying country level from the public Estonian companies registration database. Figures I posted are valid.

[EstWRC]

Common sense I guess. M-Sport was certainly not paying what Hyundai paid him when he was hired on a multi year deal as reigning (or soon to be world champion).

When he wanted to come back he had zero other options bar staying at home. You think Hyundai offered him the same as in 2019 when he was the beggar rather than the chooser in 2023/24?

With Msport it was Red Bull that paid his salary not Wilson alone.

At least this is what I have understood. The same was with Ogier when he was in Msport.

[becher]

With Msport it was Red Bull that paid his salary not Wilson alone.

At least this is what I have understood. The same was with Ogier when he was in Msport.

Sure it was sponsors money but i'd still guess his previous Hyundai contract was a lot more lucrative than his year at M sport.

[jonkka]

A perfect reminder for everyone, nobody inside the team is going to confirm anything before it's time to confirm it.

Quote from post Nov 5th:


Latvala says that he hasn't talked with Tänak: https://www.iltalehti.fi/ralli/a/286b0fbd-e704-4f8b-bee2-ebd9c947beb9

"I can honestly say that I have not been in any way with Tänak", Latvala says to Iltalehti. "Of course, there are other members of the team's management team, and I can't comment on what they're doing.

And quote from post five days later:


Latvala to Delfi Estonia: "I think every driver, when their contract is about to expire, starts to look around and ask the teams what the options are. Ott also contacted us and asked about the situation, but we had the lineup together by then," Latvala commented.

[flat_right]

This salary took a very big reduction hit when he both left to go to M-Sport, and then again when he returned to Hyundai.

He had no leverage so had to take a hit when returning to Hyundai. So maybe they did offer him an increase to stay, but it was starting from a much, much lower base. The win bonus was high, but you need to be winning to get that benefit....

I don't know if there has ever been published how much WRC drivers earn but at least in Estonia, we do some proxy analysis. And for 2023 season, Finnish newspaper Kauppalehti wrote that it has been one of the most paid seasons for Tänak https://www.kauppalehti.fi/uutiset/a/37788257-8315-4388-b396-35786a3ce1cb

This news was also cited in Estonian media, where they say it was about 4.9M €. Which is as close what he earned in Hyundai. One thing I’ve learned about Tänak is that he’s just as fierce a businessman as he is a driver. He got this trait from his mentor, Markko Märtin, who was even more intense in that regard. Just look at Ott’s contract negotiations with Adamo when Adamo tried to bring him over from Toyota. I don't remember how many Excel revisions he had to make... something close to 100 if I recall correctly. So there was no chance that he accepted to go to M-Sport for pennies.

[TypeR]

Adamo

I think I exchanged 168 Excel files with Markko about the contract.

Just sending blank pdf files would have taken hours haha.. :D Adamo really was on a mission

[spark13]

I believe Jari-Matti is still honest 5 days later, because Ott had contacted "us", don't mean contacted him personally, because he is not a contact person for such decisions in the team.

[spark13]

A perfect reminder for everyone, nobody inside the team is going to confirm anything before it's time to confirm it.

Quote from post Nov 5th:



And quote from post five days later:

I believe Jari-Matti is still honest 5 days later, because Ott had contacted "us", don't mean contacted him personally, because he is not a contact person for such decisions in the team

[trykmann]

Munster not sure about his future, might drive a Rally2 next year.
https://www.rtbf.be/article/gregoire-munster-5e-au-japon-je-discute-un-peu-chez-tout-le-monde-en-vue-de-l-an-prochain-11629408

[jonkka]

I believe Jari-Matti is still honest 5 days later, because Ott had contacted "us", don't mean contacted him personally, because he is not a contact person for such decisions in the team

Semantics. Claiming not to know anything when he most certainly knew if potential hire contacted someone in the team. The lesson is, do not trust anything team members say until official word is out, they will call black white and not blink an eye.

[macebig]

What would M-Sport do if Munster is out, then? Sesks and Mcelrean? Armstrong isn't there yet. Doubtful they pay for anyone else, especially if RB/Ford don't greenlight a new car for 2027. Guess we will know more in January,when Ford and RB begin their partnership officially.

[WRCStan]

I suggest Romet for the M-Sport seat.

[trykmann]

I suggest Romet for the M-Sport seat.

IMO seems a bit early, WRC2 championship should be his target in 2026.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I believe Jari-Matti is still honest 5 days later, because Ott had contacted "us", don't mean contacted him personally, because he is not a contact person for such decisions in the team

This is true.

And just because Tanak contacted Toyota doesn't mean there was a discussion or any consideration, he might've just been told a straight 'No thanks, we're covered' ...

[Negaiss]

75,21 % chance Sesks at M-Sport full 2026 season - Red Bull backing.

[Rallyper]

This is true.

And just because Tanak contacted Toyota doesn't mean there was a discussion or any consideration, he might've just been told a straight 'No thanks, we're covered' ...

I guess he was just asking around, bcs he knew Hyundai wasn´t his next years option. He got an answer and took decision awaiting 2027... nothing bad with that.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What would M-Sport do if Munster is out, then? Sesks and Mcelrean? Armstrong isn't there yet.

Sounds about right. Another 2-car Team as no-one else has the money or experience.

Armstrong can wait til 2027 with Rally2 spec.

[rallyfiend]

He is not even a Red Bull athlete now.

I can’t see them remarkably upping the support of him to such an extent as to pay for a ride…..

[WRCStan]

Since the old guy died, it appears Red Bull aren't so much in love with motorsport. Although, they are everywhere so I don't know how true it is.

[GigiGalliNo1]

75,21 % chance Sesks at M-Sport full 2026 season - Red Bull backing.

The second seat will be shared between three drivers from UK/Ireland with Munster out.

Sesks might have a third car but not full season.

[denkimi]

What would M-Sport do if Munster is out, then? Sesks and Mcelrean? Armstrong isn't there yet. Doubtful they pay for anyone else, especially if RB/Ford don't greenlight a new car for 2027. Guess we will know more in January,when Ford and RB begin their partnership officially.
Rossel or gryazin.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rossel or gryazin.

It's no good just picking names from WRC2, they need to have serious financial backing too. And the desire to drive a Rally1 car for just a year when the Regs will go back to Rally2 (spec) in 2027.

[BobJones]

The second seat will be shared between three drivers from UK/Ireland with Munster out.

Sesks might have a third car but not full season.

And so who will be in the first seat, please? McErlean still?

[Sal yet again]

If its Motorsport Ireland money then Armstrong and Will Creighton I guess as for a UK driver Greensmith stepping back up as his plan to win WRC2 hasnt born fruit yet.

[COD]

If its Motorsport Ireland money then Armstrong and Will Creighton I guess as for a UK driver Greensmith stepping back up as his plan to win WRC2 hasnt born fruit yet.

Greensmith has been going downhill pretty fast. First few years back in WRC2 he was capable of winning the championship, recently not even close

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I'd be surprised if the MI Rally Academy funded a second Rally1 Puma for their drivers in 2026. The costs are huge and what will they really gain when they'll have to learn the car and WRC rallies in it ?

[GigiGalliNo1]

And so who will be in the first seat, please? McErlean still?

Yes.

[WRCStan]

Perhaps it could take a strong arm, plenty of will power and er... devine intervention to remove Munster from his seat.

[denkimi]

Perhaps it could take a strong arm, plenty of will power and er... devine intervention to remove Munster from his seat.
There is no reason to remove Munster. He's paying.
If anyone else is prepared to pay, they will also drive beside him.
If M-sport would finds enough drivers who want to pay, they would use 10 cars. Everyone could have a seat.

But unfortunately it's just way too expensive for almost everyone.

[deephouse]

That "paying" mode will be removed with budget cap. They just need to build a car or run a Rally2 model and they could go for good drivers which honestly and with no offense Munster is not, at least yet. Throwing him out of team would be waste of resources and their time (no matter if he payed for all), demote to championship, where Fiesta is still competitive and he could get back stronger. Munster is way more likeable and easier to watch than Loubet, who blame everything and everyone except himself for his failures.

[WRCStan]

There is no reason to remove Munster. He's paying.
If anyone else is prepared to pay, they will also drive beside him.
If M-sport would finds enough drivers who want to pay, they would use 10 cars. Everyone could have a seat.

But unfortunately it's just way too expensive for almost everyone.

Oh right, so alongside Munster maybe the other 3 Irish drivers are Leinster, Ulster and Connaught.

Lighten up Dougal, it's just a bit of fun. This thread is too serious for its name.

[GigiGalliNo1]

There is no reason to remove Munster. He's paying.



When one has more money to bring in.. the other with less, departs.

[CeskyOndra]

That "paying" mode will be removed with budget cap. They just need to build a car or run a Rally2 model and they could go for good drivers which honestly and with no offense Munster is not, at least yet. Throwing him out of team would be waste of resources and their time (no matter if he payed for all), demote to championship, where Fiesta is still competitive and he could get back stronger. Munster is way more likeable and easier to watch than Loubet, who blame everything and everyone except himself for his failures.

Do we watch the same Munster? Munster has no character, no fun at stage interviews, he is not helping the sport at all

[Managarium]

AG rally said that Sesks in also ina potential Hyundai move.

[denkimi]

When one has more money to bring in.. the other with less, departs.
M-sport is there to make money. Anyone who brings them more money than it costs them to run the car will get a drive, no matter how many cars they have to enter.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

AG rally said that Sesks is also in a potential Hyundai move.

Sesks will jump at a program with Hyundai if he gets paid. Him as their gravel driver and another for tarmac could work.

[Rallyper]

AG rally said that Sesks in also ina potential Hyundai move.

Really? Are Hyundai out of money?

[deephouse]

Seems not as they apparently offered Tanak the highest ever salary in WRC for staying.

[AndersX]

Really? Are Hyundai out of money?

Sesks is faster on gravel than other MSport drivers with less seat time, he is on Pajari's speed. Tarmac he would learn. He can be hired without big costs and they would get good publicity. Just that not everyone can drive that car - remember Solberg. If year would be 2021, Griazin would be natural choice.

[doubled1978]

Sesks is faster on gravel than other MSport drivers with less seat time, he is on Pajari's speed. Tarmac he would learn. He can be hired without big costs and they would get good publicity. Just that not everyone can drive that car - remember Solberg. If year would be 2021, Griazin would be natural choice.

Sesks would be an interesting choice, certainly for the gravel events. If they are serious about wanting to win the championship in 2026, they would want a tarmac guy for those rounds as they won’t have time for Sesks to learn…maybe Rossel could be an option in that case.
The Solberg example is in my opinion not a good comparison. So much was against him that season, put him in that car now and I’m sure he’d be fine relative to his team mates.

[deephouse]

If even two world champions can't firgure out that car, how could Solberg or Sesks could do it? Oh and one of them rather leaving WRC than drive another year with it. I think that rally1 i20 is hopeless case, even more with Hankook tires and without hybrid unit.

[WRCStan]

M-sport is there to make money. Anyone who brings them more money than it costs them to run the car will get a drive, no matter how many cars they have to enter.

Did you consider Munster and his backers aren't covering 100% of the costs?

[GigiGalliNo1]

M-sport is there to make money. Anyone who brings them more money than it costs them to run the car will get a drive, no matter how many cars they have to enter.

But how many cars do they have?

McErlean's car is being rebuilt for Saudi. Sooo.... they don't have any more than what they have.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Possible reveal from Munster's comments:

https://rallyjournal.com/wrc-teams-line-up-wide-open-did-a-driver-just-reveal-the-plans/#google_vignette

[saco0o]

hmmmm random thought, but what happens if nasser alAthya is right up to speed in his first rally1 event in saudi? could hyundai get interested?

[Dimitris]

No

[trykmann]

Possible reveal from Munster's comments:

https://rallyjournal.com/wrc-teams-line-up-wide-open-did-a-driver-just-reveal-the-plans/#google_vignette

“Their names are certainly on the list, but honestly it’s very risky to bring back guys who haven’t driven WRC in 2025. They don’t know how to drive these hybrid-less Rally1 cars and, above all, they don’t know the Hankook tyres. Not to mention new rallies like Saudi Arabia.”

Munster isn't wrong about this, but still seems to overvalue this experience over the lack of speed and consintency he has had so far. I believe Sordo or Lappi would have better speed and results even without having driven these new tyres.

[focus206]

hmmmm random thought, but what happens if nasser alAthya is right up to speed in his first rally1 event in saudi? could hyundai get interested?

Not even if by miracle he wins Rally Saudi Arabia... Nasser is 54. For Dakar is ok, for WRC no.

[WRCStan]

He's also never going to be anybody's employee unless it's conveniently what he wants to do, something which he could do now anyway without being anybody's employee. If you know what I mean.

[saco0o]

He's also never going to be anybody's employee unless it's conveniently what he wants to do, something which he could do now anyway without being anybody's employee. If you know what I mean.

hmmmmm spot on. hes literally one of the few humans out there that could have an entire wrc team if he wanted to do wrc

[skarderud]

A experienced fast driver, whoever driven last 5 years i wrc, would be fairly fast in the toyota.
In the hyundai its a little more complicated, since the car is not a easy one, to be fair.

And, who will possibly wreck his career in a year in a notorious tricky car?

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[Humber]

Paddon and Hankook Tyres have a new partnership for the 2025/26 seasons, with Hankook serving as the official tyre partner for Paddon Rallysport. The collaboration involves testing new high-performance Hankook rally tyres in real New Zealand conditions, from gravel to tarmac, to showcase their capabilities.

HP ran the Hankook tyres at the Ashley Forest Rallysprint with the 800 horsepower engine in the i20.

Most of the events in this year's Australian Rally Championship that Paddon won, HP had never been to before. He was against the Australian Toyota team that is built on the experience of running in Australian Rallies for over 30 years.

Sesks for the Hyundai team for the gravel. Someone like Crugnola(36) or other Italian tarmac specialist to try and give Italian rallying a bit of a lift. (Marbellini, 26)

Is there a Belgian autosector company or group of companies (chocolate?) that could sponsor Munster for a year? WRC should offer a sponsor a higher profile than some other forms of motrsport?

[Rallyper]

A experienced fast driver, whoever driven last 5 years i wrc, would be fairly fast in the toyota.
In the hyundai its a little more complicated, since the car is not a easy one, to be fair.

And, who will possibly wreck his career in a year in a notorious tricky car?

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If Paddon is whom you´re talking about, I think knowing the circumstances, a driver of his caliber can never wreck his career, trying for a year in Hyundai.

[deephouse]

Are we talking to Munster or Paddon here for wrecking his career? Paddon doesn't really having anything to lose, since he isn't in WRC for many years already. Also he is in Hyundai, just not internationaly. Tell me one driver who is more loyal to the manufacturer than Paddon is to Hyundai (even when brand isn't really supporting him, but like to brag about his achievements). He is only supported by Hyundai NZ as I know.

If Hyundai is serious about (which I highly doubt) for next year titles, they should decide soon and put the guy/guys in third car immediately, because it will be very hard as Monte will be here very soon.

[denkimi]

I don't understand why people still talk about paddon. he has no more relevant experience in the wrc. he hasn't done any of the wrc rallys in 8 years, he hasn't driven a top car since then.
he's out, and he's not going to come back.

[skarderud]

It was'nt paddon in my mind, more some young ones, not one particular.
But, if hyundai just need 1 driver for 1 year with ties to them, who can deliver somewhat ok, stable results, paddon is the one.
Sordo is not interested in full time driving, maybe 1 or 2 rallies.

Or hyundai can call mikkelsen or lappi for the seat.

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[deephouse]

He himself explicit says he is considering building his own team for WRC27 rules. If that will not happen, who the hell could stop him from renting or buying some car and running privately and try competing at highest level. The cars will be way more accesible than now. I do personaly have doubts he would be up to speed immediately with this Rally1 cars if he would be re-hired for 2026, but he have enough experience with previous generation of WRC cars, while Gryazin, Rossel combo doesn't have any. He is just amongst those who knows team and have some experience (Mikkelsen, Lappi, Sordo, Suninen). No one of those have any experience with Rally1-hybridless i20 which is by the way even more weird, unpredictable and unreliable car. I don't know if that car could beat 2017 version WRC car, but I think it's not far away either.

People still talk about him, because he is very active still and it's a shame that his talent isn't reconsidered again. From last time he drove in WRC he have many trophies collected and is practicaly one of the few who could actually win with i20 Rally2 car. And if Hyundai is really considering running rally2 car in 2027, who else could get them great results?

[trykmann]

What do you guys think? Is it possible that Tänak still might do a few gravel events with Hyundai? For example Estonia or Finland with a good starting position?

If Hyundai is really focusing on the manufacturers title, then this might be a solution.

["Username"]

Why going back voluntarily into a torture chamber named Hyundai again?

[deephouse]

I don't see a point neither why he stuck with brand for so long. He could swtich, don't know to Toyota maybe and I bet they would take care of him better.

[wyler]

I don't understand why people still talk about paddon. he has no more relevant experience in the wrc. he hasn't done any of the wrc rallys in 8 years, he hasn't driven a top car since then.
he's out, and he's not going to come back.

still, he was one of the most consistent rally2 drivers in the past few years in europe, with better results than most of the "youngsters" rumored (including gryazin).

[trykmann]

Why going back voluntarily into a torture chamber named Hyundai again?

The car wasn't that bad on gravel, good starting position, favorite rallies and enough €€€.

[TypeR]

He was offered millions and he turned it down, it must have been that bad and not worth driving over the sensible risk..

Going back just to remember why he left would be quite harsh :D

[Rallyper]

Why going back voluntarily into a torture chamber named Hyundai again?

Man - you´re exaggerating a lot.

[saco0o]

not wrc related but
stellantis having another brand back into rallying eh? vauxhall
https://dirtfish.com/rally/vauxhall-returns-to-rallying-with-mokka-gse/

[GigiGalliNo1]

As I said Munster out of MSport

He’s better off getting the money he needs for a top car in Rally2, be equal playing field and ready to kick ass in 2027’s new regs.

[deephouse]

In a DirtFish article he really claims he have huge lake of options, and that he doesn't want to continue with-Sport as the car is not competitive. Man, he should be quiet because he will go the same path than Loubet.. into nowhere

[macebig]

Loubet showed more speed and had better results in a smaller program with the Puma. Munster had 2 full seasons and can't keep clearly ahead of McElrean,after being thoroughly beaten by Fourmaux. That's not a very positive outcome.

[focus206]

Loubet showed more speed and had better results in a smaller program with the Puma. Munster had 2 full seasons and can't keep clearly ahead of McElrean,after being thoroughly beaten by Fourmaux. That's not a very positive outcome.

Munster is almost always faster than McErlean, but too many mistakes... He also really doesn't like this Hankook + hybridless car, but I'm afraid it's just not enough after more than 2 full seasons.
Munster's chance to continue a career at the top level is probably to go down to WRC2 in 2026 and do very good there, if he can. Then maybe someone could be interested in him in 2027.

[wyler]

Munster is almost always faster than McErlean, but too many mistakes... He also really doesn't like this Hankook + hybridless car, but I'm afraid it's just not enough after more than 2 full seasons.
Munster's chance to continue a career at the top level is probably to go down to WRC2 in 2026 and do very good there, if he can. Then maybe someone could be interested in him in 2027.

Comparing the difference in previous career and experience, mcerlean is far too close to munster.

[flat_right]

I’m not sure which thread I posted this in, but for next year’s Rally Estonia, the organizer and promoter will support one young Estonian rally driver with a chance to drive a Rally1 car. The candidates are Virves, Linnamäe, and Jürgenson. Since Georg Linnamäe has just announced that he will pause his career for at least half a year to finish his studies and Jürgenson is probably still too inexperienced the most likely choice is Robert Virves.

[wyler]

I’m not sure which thread I posted this in, but for next year’s Rally Estonia, the organizer and promoter will support one young Estonian rally driver with a chance to drive a Rally1 car. The candidates are Virves, Linnamäe, and Jürgenson. Since Georg Linnamäe has just announced that he will pause his career for at least half a year to finish his studies and Jürgenson is probably still too inexperienced the most likely choice is Robert Virves.

virves is the most realistic choice, but jurgenson is already in m-sport, could be easier to set up...
(maybe be a rally2 season + 1 rally1 outing for him in m-sport?)

[saco0o]

i doubt Ott will not enter the event.
Rally1 or R5... no idea

[deephouse]

Ott will win it 🙈 no matter the car

[saco0o]

brandon semenuk leaving subaru to compete in europe in 2026
i hope the "R5 is the new top class in 2027" is one of the reasons

oh! lia block also coming to europe to do rally!
SURE, this is not RALLY1 news, probably rally3 and rally2 silly season.
but heyy, always interesting to see some potential futures

[Sulland]

MSport Puma has potential, as it has shown before.

For 2026 I would like to see Sesks and Greensmith, and Crown oil as a real sponsor.
If so they could fight for points and podiums!!

[flat_right]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/ogier-confirms-hell-do-10-wrc-rounds-in-2026/

Now that Ogier has publicly stated that he will go for the 10th but will miss 4 instead of 3 rallies like this year, then which one he will skip?

This year it was Sweden, Kenya and Rally Estonia. In 2026 we will add Saudi to this list? In Dirtfish article he says that: "I had to miss, for the first time, one holiday week of my son and it was during Rally Japan.". Rally Japan was 6-9 Nov this year. Saudi is 11-14 Nov next year. And considering the statements he said this year, this would have been my guess also without the "hint". But let's see..if he is in the lead or behind with couple of points, will he change his mind or not.

[AndersX]

I think this is not fair-play and should not be welcomed by FIA. He picks out rounds that could make his situation better against competition. If he would have driven all rounds this year, Evans would be champion.

Plus that constant whining about roads, start orders etc is "so old news". He is 9 time champion! Should be having fun.

[eib1]

Now that Ogier has publicly stated that he will go for the 10th but will miss 4 instead of 3 rallies like this year, then which one he will skip?

According to German school system, the skipped events would be:

Croatia
Japan
Paraquay
Chile

I believe, he is not allowed to skip Japan

[WRCStan]

I think this is not fair-play and should not be welcomed by FIA. He picks out rounds that could make his situation better against competition. If he would have driven all rounds this year, Evans would be champion.

Plus that constant whining about roads, start orders etc is "so old news". He is 9 time champion! Should be having fun.

Did you just whinge about road order, then say a man shouldn't whinge about road order?

[deephouse]

I hope that all title contenders will go the same route as Ogier. So Evans and Neuville also, and maybe then FIA will re-rule that hole in the their law.

[Tauri_J]

I think this is not fair-play and should not be welcomed by FIA. He picks out rounds that could make his situation better against competition. If he would have driven all rounds this year, Evans would be champion.



Lol that is one ridicilous statement. If that would be the case then everyone would pick their preferrable events and complete part time. He absolutely owned everyone this year with three less rounds competed.

[WRCStan]

I hope that all title contenders will go the same route as Ogier. So Evans and Neuville also, and maybe then FIA will re-rule that hole in the their law.

Was it ever a rule? Do they put shackles on Tanak and force him to drive?

[macebig]

It's not Ogier's problem that others can't beat him. And he pretty much did the whole season and didn't have a significant road advantage after Sardegna.

[Typ85]

Total Bullsh*t :D Not starting in an event is the same as retiring from an event. I he had retired after the 1st time control, then you would be happier?

[240RS]

It's not Ogier's problem that others can't beat him. And he pretty much did the whole season and didn't have a significant road advantage after Sardegna.

Interesting stat from Dirtfish. Evans only outscored Ogier once all season - at CER!!!!!

Even allowing for road cleaning, that's a telling stat. I rate Evans highly, but not anywhere near Ogier, or Tanak. As much as it pains me to see a part-time champion in our sport, we have to admit his star quality is real.

[trykmann]

If Ogier would have contested in all events then he probably would have been champion already in Japan. His form this year has just been remarkable.

[deephouse]

Deep down he is afraid he might get it harder if he would contest all events. Well it doesn't matter. He should stay here untill those ''almost winners'' step their game up (Fourmaux, Katsuta, Pajari, Sesks). Oh and of course, Evans should too. This season he was excellent in consistency, but on some events try a little harder and he might have won it. All in next year and maybe not be afraid of Seb finally.

[Negaiss]

In one video on social media Sesks at the end said - Tiekamies nākamgad ! ---- tha means see You next year.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

In one video on social media Sesks at the end said - Tiekamies nākamgad ! ---- tha means see You next year.

Fingers crossed.

Someone, anyone, FIA, Promoter, needs to get him into a Puma seat next season and give M-Sport a chance of some success. Plus his personality is great for the sport.

[deephouse]

It would be utterly stupid to not sign Sesks for full season. Even if he would be driving i20 he would not be complete unexperienced youngster, like Munster did prove.

[Rallyper]

It would be utterly stupid to not sign Sesks for full season. Even if he would be driving i20 he would not be complete unexperienced youngster, like Munster did prove.

Sesks, yes. But one more youngster needed (Solberg already counted)