Rally Chile Biobio 2025

[KiwiWRCfan]

Less than 2 months until more of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv7hvwa9I88

[KiwiWRCfan]

Just after conclusion of Rally Finland Seb Ogier indicated he will be seen at the next WRC round in Paraguay. This might be an indication he will chase title number 9.
Hopefully he will do the double header in South America and also start Rally Chile 2 weeks later.

[flat_right]

Just after conclusion of Rally Finland Seb Ogier indicated he will be seen at the next WRC round in Paraguay. This might be an indication he will chase title number 9.
Hopefully he will do the double header in South America and also start Rally Chile 2 weeks later.

He already confirmed that he will participate next 4 rallies and potentially in Saudi if he has a chance for the title.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/ogier-commits-to-2025-title-fight/

[KiwiWRCfan]

Entries for Rally Chile Biobio 2025 close today

[KiwiWRCfan]

Alberto Heller livery for Rally Chile
MSport Ford Puma Rally 1 https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1170743058413817&set=a.555128869975242

[Steve Boyd]

Alberto Heller livery for Rally Chile
MSport Ford Puma Rally 1 https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1170743058413817&set=a.555128869975242That's a hybrid car livery not a current car. Is it last year's?

[KiwiWRCfan]

Rally Chile entry list is due to published Tuesday August 19th

[Andre Oliveira]

49 entries

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/90026-rally-chile-biobio-2025/

[CeskyOndra]

https://www.yr.no/nb/v%C3%A6rvarsel/daglig-tabell/2-3893894/Chile/Regi%C3%B3n%20del%20Biob%C3%ADo/Provincia%20de%20Concepci%C3%B3n/Concepci%C3%B3n

There is awful lot of rain forecasted for the days before the rally. It's a long term forecast, but still, it counts.

Could be a great opportunity for Evans to start first in CER and get finally his first WDC.

[KiwiWRCfan]

Forecast for Jueves (Thursday) shakedown & ceremonial start and Viernes (Friday) stage 1 to 6 is now much improved.

[KiwiWRCfan]

Thursday and Friday forecasts

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC2 Rally Chile PET on Monday:

https://youtu.be/aGQrAlXP41E?si=FsAFDRdOntqtt_xh

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Recce interviews...

https://youtu.be/S0GNxDpET1g?si=m4wnkGEqdQhM5NQv

[spyros]

Who will benefit if its rainy?

[CeskyOndra]

Who will benefit if its rainy?

It probably won't rain on Friday but iťs definitelly not going to be full dry...

[Rallyper]

SD now started in Chile.

[Eli]

Didn’t miss Mike Chen ,ffs…..I hope the new promoter whenever it arrives, sends him off, him and company…

[Rallyper]

Ogier playing games?

[Rallyper]

Ogier playing games? +10 secs first loop

[drive]

8 roadside cameras just for the shakedown ? :)

[Rallyper]

Neuville had a spin +16 secs to Evans.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville had a spin +16 secs to Evans.

Feeling after that ? "Shit !"

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Drivers are saving tyres for the rally, says Fourmaux.

[meh]

Choose your pickems!

And do it in the format descibed in the pickems thread, following users should revisit their entries:
* fantastic.priit - wrong format (use spaces instead of dots)
* Rallyest - ä > a

[PLuto]

Ogier playing games?

When he finished his first run, he just told "useless shakedown".

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0lIAtrXkAArnbe?format=jpg&name=small

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-hankook-has-changed-chile-tire-allocation-twice/

[Rallyest]

Choose your pickems!

And do it in the format descibed in the pickems thread, following users should revisit their entries:
* fantastic.priit - wrong format (use spaces instead of dots)
* Rallyest - ä > a

fixed it, thanks

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0o_XMxasAA90It?format=jpg&name=small

[meh]

So, fellow-rally-slaves, it is time!

I hope to see pure speed-fest, and hopefully it will not be some (avoiding) puncture-lottery again.

[Rallyper]

Here i am, at least. :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Seems slightly damp so not so bad as it could be for the first cars.

[CeskyOndra]

Ogier so slow this time.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kalle is flying, Ogier not so much.

[becher]

It's early days, but I have a feeling there will be some controversy at Toyota this weekend. Possible sone whinging from a multiple world champion even.

[jonkka]

How come Tanak was slower than Evans?

[becher]

How come Tanak was slower than Evans?
It' damp, don't think there is cleaning really.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kalle Rovanperä @KalleRovanpera

SS1 Pulpería⏱️10:00.4!

"Not a good run from me. I don't know, I just don't really like these Friday stages, especially this one. At least a clean start !"

:D :D :D

[Rallyper]

McErlean dropped a lot from beginning

[becher]

McErlean dropped a lot from beginning

High speed spin yes.

[Rallyper]

Seems Solberg lost some 10 secs after 5TC

[Rallyper]

spin for Solberg

[meh]

I reuse my comment from Paraguay topic:
Solberg 110; 1 event left (Chile); max to earn 135
Rossel 99; 1 event left (Chile); max to earn 124
Greensmith 57; 3 events left; max to earn 132
Gryazin 30; 4 events left; max to earn 130

Solberg-Rossel-Greensmith-Grazin are all in the fight here.

[meh]

Buum, quite some fog in SS2 (at the end of the state).

[Eli]

flat_right, the pickems closing time was 14:05 CET so I did manage to avoid the deadline, however, I quickly found out stage 1 was running but I did not look at the result, I do understand however if Jaja disapproves my pickems.

[Rallyper]

flat_right, the pickems closing time was 14:05 CET so I did manage to avoid the deadline, however, I quickly found out stage 1 was running but I did not look at the result, I do understand however if Jaja disapproves my pickems.

Seems timing must be checked for more guys...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Only Fourmaux keeping his time up at the end in the fog.

[drive]

McErlean spin https://www.facebook.com/reel/796321783345325

[meh]

McErlean spin https://www.facebook.com/reel/796321783345325

Quite lucky.

And when I'm watching those wooden fence poles, I'm a bit nervous, to be honest.

[spyros]

Quite lucky.

And when I'm watching those wooden fence poles, I'm a bit nervous, to be honest.

Very very lucky.

[CeskyOndra]

Lot of roadside cameras, thats good.

[meh]

Seems a stage with a cleaning effect, Fourmaux and Pajari can shine here.

[meh]

Rovanperä 5.5 lost in split 4, mistake or puncture?

edit: rear-left puncture due the driving mistake and a bit off road

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tyre pressure alert but he hit a bank.

[CeskyOndra]

Kalle puncture. With a big mistake.

[CeskyOndra]

Why is he going so slowly? Ogier had a rear puncture in Paraguay and lost only 30-40 seconds..

[Rallyper]

Let´s see. Now 30 secs lost. But better than change wheel.

[CeskyOndra]

Let´s see. Now 30 secs lost. But better than change wheel.

It's gonna be more in the finish.. Way more

[CeskyOndra]

Looks like something more than just a puncture to me.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Early in the stage to keep going, but rear punctures aren't as bad as front.

[Rallyper]

It's gonna be more in the finish.. Way more

I think he "earned" some 40 secs by going on...

[meh]

All Hyndais lost 1.7sec+ in 1st split. and then took back 1 second to the 2nd split.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Seems a stage with a cleaning effect, Fourmaux and Pajari can shine here.

Not so far, no-one is quicker yet.

[meh]

Seems a stage with a cleaning effect, Fourmaux and Pajari can shine here.

Evans disagrees, setting fastest time (so far) from 1st on the road.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Dreadful first loop by Neuville. How can he still get the set-up so badly wrong ?

[TypeR]

Katsuta totally off the pace

[Rallyper]

Katsuta totally off the pace

Smth wrong?

[CeskyOndra]

Everyone is lost except Evans and Tanak.

[meh]

Dreadful first loop by Neuville. How can he still get the set-up so badly wrong ?

Not 100% sure about it, but it can be due to "fixed configuration for linked rallies" and if you decided something incorrectly a long time ago, you just lack the options to change it.

[240RS]

Probably a little premature to talk about the championship, but today may prove a turning point of sorts for Elfyn Evans he can keep it together. First on the road doesn't appear to be a handicap here, and, strangely, his direct rivals are all struggling. Two asphalt events coming next. Evans would be excused a smile or more at the moment.

[Rallyper]

Gearstick "wobling around" for MUnster. Only 2nd gear available... :)

[meh]

Probably a little premature to talk about the championship, but today may prove a turning point of sorts for Elfyn Evans he can keep it together. First on the road doesn't appear to be a handicap here, and, strangely, his direct rivals are all struggling. Two asphalt events coming next. Evans would be excused a smile or more at the moment.

Evans got the starting setup right compared to others. Now the question is, if and how much others can improve their pace. For example, I don't expect Ogier to struggle through the rally.

But for now, 1st loop was really well done!

[Rallyper]

Problems for Gryazin and Zaldivar it seems.

[meh]

Problems for Gryazin and Zaldivar it seems.

... and Solberg to the lead.

[JAM]

Why is he going so slowly? Ogier had a rear puncture in Paraguay and lost only 30-40 seconds..

is a question of luck.

Even when there's a spin the luck is needed.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville's slow times explained:

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/drivetrain-swap-compromising-neuvilles-chile/?%28function%28i%2Cs%2Co%2Cg%2Cr%2Ca%2Cm%29%7Bi%5B %27GoogleAnalyticsObject%27%5D=r%3Bi%5Br%5D%3Di%5B r%5D%7C%7Cfunction%28%29%7B%0A%20%20%28i%5Br%5D.q% 3Di%5Br%5D.q%7C%7C%5B%5D%29.push%28arguments%29%7D %2Ci%5Br%5D.l%3D1%2Anew%20Date%28%29%3Ba%3Ds.creat eElement%28o%29%2C%0A%20%20m%3Ds.getElementsByTagN ame%28o%29%5B0%5D%3Ba.async%3D1%3Ba.src%3Dg%3Bm.pa rentNode.insertBefore%28a%2Cm%29%0A%20%20%7D%29%28 window%2Cdocument%2C%27script%27%2C%27https%3A%2F% 2Fwww.google-analytics.com%2Fanalytics.js%27%2C%27ga%27%29%3B%0 A%0A%20%20ga%28%27create%27%2C%20%27UA-28289263-5%27%2C%20%27auto%27%29%3B%0A%20%20ga%28%27send%27 %2C%20%27pageview%27%29%3B

[denkimi]

Neuville's slow times explained:

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/drivetrain-swap-compromising-neuvilles-chile/?%28function%28i%2Cs%2Co%2Cg%2Cr%2Ca%2Cm%29%7Bi%5B %27GoogleAnalyticsObject%27%5D=r%3Bi%5Br%5D%3Di%5B r%5D%7C%7Cfunction%28%29%7B%0A%20%20%28i%5Br%5D.q% 3Di%5Br%5D.q%7C%7C%5B%5D%29.push%28arguments%29%7D %2Ci%5Br%5D.l%3D1%2Anew%20Date%28%29%3Ba%3Ds.creat eElement%28o%29%2C%0A%20%20m%3Ds.getElementsByTagN ame%28o%29%5B0%5D%3Ba.async%3D1%3Ba.src%3Dg%3Bm.pa rentNode.insertBefore%28a%2Cm%29%0A%20%20%7D%29%28 window%2Cdocument%2C%27script%27%2C%27https%3A%2F% 2Fwww.google-analytics.com%2Fanalytics.js%27%2C%27ga%27%29%3B%0 A%0A%20%20ga%28%27create%27%2C%20%27UA-28289263-5%27%2C%20%27auto%27%29%3B%0A%20%20ga%28%27send%27 %2C%20%27pageview%27%29%3B
so many issues and retirements are being caused by stupid FIA rules.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

so many issues and retirements are being caused by stupid FIA rules.

The Rules are the same for every team. Hyundai just need to make its parts better...

DF : "after Thursday’s shakedown stage Hyundai had reliability concerns..."

Neuville: “Obviously we detected some issues with the drivetrain from the shakedown yesterday, and I was told I had to change for today..."

[jonkka]

Evans' car doesn't sound so healthy, does it?

[meh]

The cleaning effect is now quite massive.

Pajari and Fourmaux can _now_ shine (attempt 2)

[meh]

haha, Taka was completely lost during the 1st loop, and set fastest times in first 2 splits

[240RS]

The cleaning effect is now quite massive.

Pajari and Fourmaux can _now_ shine (attempt 2)

Very interesting phenomena this. Suddenly even Katsuta is pretty quick!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Probably a little premature to talk about the championship, but today may prove a turning point of sorts for Elfyn Evans he can keep it together. First on the road doesn't appear to be a handicap here, and, strangely, his direct rivals are all struggling. Two asphalt events coming next. Evans would be excused a smile or more at the moment.

You spoke way too soon. Evans is doing all the sweeping this afternoon instead.

[Rallyper]

You spoke way too soon. Evans is doing all the sweeping this afternoon instead.

Yep. It´s up and down now...

[240RS]

You spoke way too soon. Evans is doing all the sweeping this afternoon instead.

True. . .Tale of two halves, I guess.

[focus206]

The big sweeping is more bad news for Kalle, might not get Taka and Munster today...

[240RS]

We could have a 1-2-3 Hyundai lead at the end of the day at this rate. What a turn around!!!!

[meh]

At least for those stages, Tänak can be happy with a bit of crappy Paraguay. Evans is punished quite a lot as Munster is also faster than him.

[Negaiss]

Wow, how did they find Heller ? What a driver, looks like at least a second a km faster then M-Sport factory driver Serderidis. M-sport should pay money to Heller to drive full season in 2026.

[Rallyper]

GG cooling problems, and now BIG problem for Rossel after stage 4. Oil leakage. Also big issue!!

[meh]

Rally2 is getting "interesting", it seems that Greensmith has an issue with the engine, and Rossel has oil leakage.

[meh]

Wow, how did they find Heller ? What a driver, looks like at least a second a km faster then M-Sport factory driver Serderidis. M-sport should pay money to Heller to drive full season in 2026.

M-Sport has its business and they rent their car to those who are able to pay for them. Local driver, home rally, enjoying the opportunity - what problem do you have with that?

[Rallyper]

Seems game over for Rossel.

[meh]

Seems game over for Rossel.

yap, based on all-live and Julian Porter on site.

[Rallyper]

Was it a oilfilter wrench he had in his hands?

[Negaiss]

M-Sport has its business and they rent their car to those who are able to pay for them. Local driver, home rally, enjoying the opportunity - what problem do you have with that?

I have no problem with that. I am just pointing out in somehow funny way that is IS possible for anyone to buy a seat and compete at Wold level in WRC. Do not get me wrong, - I like, that there are as much Rally1 cars as possible competing. I am just feeling sorry for young ang crazy rally drivers, who ar watching now rally Chile on iphone and will never compete at Rally1 level.

[jonkka]

Wow, how did they find Heller ? What a driver, looks like at least a second a km faster then M-Sport factory driver Serderidis. M-sport should pay money to Heller to drive full season in 2026.

What? Serderis is not a factory driver (whole M-Sport operation is not factory backed) nor is he any good by any standard. Heller... french makes of plastic models, nothing more to say about it.

[Lead]

I feel sorry for Evans already for the long stage

[meh]

I am just feeling sorry for young ang crazy rally drivers, who ar watching now rally Chile on iphone and will never compete at Rally1 level.

Heller nor Serdenidis takes anyone's position away. If they don't rent the car, the car is just parked somewhere. The sport is expensive and only really a few get the opportunity to try it out, but I think it is not fair to direct the anger towards those who pay for their hobbies.

[meh]

I feel sorry for Evans already for the long stage

Yes, although hoping everything good for Tänak, the road-position disadvantage can be frustrating. But, we don't know who will have the better road position tomorrow due to the weather conditions.

[Rallyper]

Confirmed. Game off for Rossel.

[Rallyper]

GG is not on full speed.

[Rallyper]

Gus G out. Stopped on stage. Engine out.

[CeskyOndra]

Coverage of Rally TV is overally great this weekend IMO.

[meh]

Seems that Ogier picked the stage to attack

[meh]

Is the "maps" a bit dead or Tänak is stopped...

[CeskyOndra]

Is the "maps" a bit dead or Tänak is stopped...

Hopefully dead

[Rallyper]

RallyTV is minutes away from breaking news. Bad!

[meh]

Hopefully dead

But, he is stopped. Took ages for all-live to figure it out.

[CeskyOndra]

Tanak stopped, crashed?

[Eli]

Is the "maps" a bit dead or Tänak is stopped...

Stopped….ffs. game over for 2025.

[BlueStrike]

Congratulations to Toyota, then. Clean sweep of the titles again.

[CeskyOndra]

Congratulations to Toyota, then. Clean sweep of the titles again.

..... I don't know. Rallies where Tanak struggled last years went well for him this year.. But now, his fav Finland and Chile ended his championship..

[Rallyper]

Neuville faster tha Ogi.

[Kras]

I hope it's not a technical issue

[Rallyper]

Tanaks car looks alright. No big visible damages.

[archie106]

Looks like a mechanical failure for Tanak, unless the left front is broken.

[CeskyOndra]

Tanaks car looks alright. No big visible damages.

Left side? Was 3G impact apparently

[tbazsi95]

Tanak stopped

[NoBudgetWRT]

For what reason Hyundai continue next season?

[Rallyper]

Left side? Was 3G impact apparently

Wasn´t visible. But car looked straight.

[Kras]

For what reason Hyundai continue next season?

Probably subsidised by the promoter somehow

[archie106]

Engine issue for Ott. What a shame

[Rallyper]

OK, then. Engine issue for Tanak.

[CeskyOndra]

Oh my... Engine issue?!

[focus206]

Was about to say after today that it was Tanak's chance... if it's a technical retirement, very bad luck for him

[Dontcut]

I fucking hate watching rally as Tänak fan.

[Kras]

Fuck Hyundai and this Mickey Mouse Toyota cup

[BlueStrike]

So just Hyundai doing Hyundai things then.

Puts me in a great mood heading to CER in a month‘s time…

[meh]

At least top3 is close: Fourmaux, Neuville, Ogier in 2.3 sec.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hyundai 1-2... but not Tanak. Tough one to take.

[focus206]

Only hope for Kalle is that the rain wets the stages enough to give him an advantage over the top 4 tomorrow, especially over his title contenders teammates.

[EstWRC]

What a shitbox.

Please be the Toyota rumor true, even with half season I would be happy.

This move to Hyundai has been miserable and one of the worst ever in Motorsport history

[meh]

As some drivers already pointed out tire-ware tomorrow, I think it is logical to expect that Ogier is doing well. But if this is some slippy mud-show, then Rovanperä may have a chance.

[meh]

Tweet from Hyundai: Disaster for Ott and Martin, they've been forced to stop from the lead on the final stage of the say with a suspected engine issue.


https://x.com/HMSGOfficial/status/1966592912730271919

[Kras]

What I'd give to see Tanak or Neville in a Yaris

[CeskyOndra]

So McErlean lost 38 seconds with rear puncture and Rovanpera over a minute. Strange. Rovanpera's tire even looked well. Probably Kalle was just playing it more safe..

[CeskyOndra]

Tomorrow is well-opened. But difficult and wet conditions indicate another win of Ogier. Maybe Evans could climb back. I can't see Kalle climbing back to TOP 4 with pure speed, just TOP 5 is possible.

[Eli]

So just Hyundai doing Hyundai things then.

Puts me in a great mood heading to CER in a month‘s time…

you’re heading to CER? thought I was the only one here lol, hopefully the faulty engine will be his las faulty engine this year.

[CeskyOndra]

you’re heading to CER? thought I was the only one here lol, hopefully the faulty engine will be his las faulty engine this year.

I'm going to CER too

[NoBudgetWRT]

I'm going to CER too

Same

[Rallyper]

Oliver leads WRC2, Gryazin 2nd +10,4 secs

[EstWRC]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DOhDTxOjNWk/?igsh=MW1iOWxpdWNjcXlidQ==

[CeskyOndra]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DOhDTxOjNWk/?igsh=MW1iOWxpdWNjcXlidQ==

As I wrote in the comments, it looks like Leclerc at Zandvoort

[TypeR]

As I wrote in the comments, it looks like Leclerc at Zandvoort
Only that he wasn't leading the race or not chasing WDC :D and was forced/crashed out by youngster :D

[Dontcut]

Is there news if Tänak continues today with superrally?

[Eli]

What a shitbox.

Please be the Toyota rumor true, even with half season I would be happy.

This move to Hyundai has been miserable and one of the worst ever in Motorsport history

I think Hamilton's move to Ferrari is the second worst, and there at least he got 7 titles...here this was wayyy too premature :(

[Eli]

I'm going to CER too

Let me know when you're there, could be cool meeting people from the forum in real life after 14 (& a half) years in this forum :)

[Lead]

Let me know when you're there, could be cool meeting people from the forum in real life after 14 (& a half) years in this forum :)

I could probably join also.

[DrLill]

What a shitbox.

Please be the Toyota rumor true, even with half season I would be happy.

This move to Hyundai has been miserable and one of the worst ever in Motorsport history

I am not a regular here anymore. What is this rumor about? Really a chance to see Tänak at at Toyota? I thought it is impossible after 2019.

[Tauri_J]

Think I'm gonna pass the last three rallies. Every time it ends in tears.

This cant be normal anymore, how many engine failures or another technical gremlins he could have?

[CeskyOndra]

Neuville can easily pass Tanak in championship standings, if he won't restart, which is quite likely.. Cruel.

On the other hand, Tanak's teammates can hold others of being 1-2. It's in their hands

Rain has allready fallen in Chile overnight, it's going to be wet in the morning and I wouldn't eliminate a chance of fog.

[CeskyOndra]

Tanak is in the starting list for today

[satnav]

Is there news if Tänak continues today with superrally?

The engine can be replaced for a car nominated to score manufacturers points, so i'd expect Ott to restart today

[WRCStan]

This move to Hyundai has been miserable and one of the worst ever in Motorsport history

It's up there with Tanak's first move to Hyundai, Tanak's move to Toyota or Tanak's last move to M-Sport.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

FX Demaison:

"Unfortunately, an engine failure brought his day to an early end. He will be back with a different engine and a clear mission to score points on Sunday.”

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak's move to Toyota

What ?!

[Rallyper]

In RallyTV they try to talk us away from the fact the stage already started.

[Rallyper]

Heller stopped 800 m in to SS7

[CeskyOndra]

Difficult conditions

[Rallyper]

Problems for McErlean also (engine)

[Rallyper]

Heller also engineproblems

[meh]

Difficult conditions

and McErlean as well. Seems that Hyundai's engines are not the only ones that gives up

[meh]

... and misting windscreen for Tänak.

[CeskyOndra]

It's wide open even Rovanpera can get into the mix

[meh]

Heller is moving again.

... but not anymore. I wonder did he went off the place where Rovanperä and Munster had their moments, just before McErlean

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good time by Evans, as it should be in Wales Rally GB conditions! ;)

[focus206]

Great time by Evans. Neuville and Ogier weren't comfortable with the wet parts of the stages yesterday, so not surprising they're losing time.
Kalle will not recover enough time to pass anyone else on speed beyond Katsuta, I think...

[archie106]

8 seconds covering the top 4! Incredible battle for the lead

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great to have these wet muddy conditions and another type of test for the drivers. It's been too long.

[CeskyOndra]

Evans loosing a lot now, is the road really getting too bad?

[archie106]

Seems like the road might be getting a bit polished with all the mud? Just making it really slippery.

[tbazsi95]

The engine can be replaced for a car nominated to score manufacturers points, so i'd expect Ott to restart today

As I remember, Neuville had engine change during this season and they said it was an already used engine, so Hyundai could change it.

[Dontcut]

Is there rain change tomorrow sunday? First running Ott is washing the floor with others.

[CeskyOndra]

Neuville and Fourmaux will loose a lot.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fourmaux defying the conditions and going well.

[CeskyOndra]

Neuville and Fourmaux will loose a lot.

E: prob. just Neuville

[focus206]

28 Km abrasive stage incoming, they say... could we see some punctures?

[KKS]

It feel like good old days when Loeb post fastest time being 1st on a road and the rest just fighting for 2nd

[trykmann]

Tänak is not starting?

[NoBudgetWRT]

On the maps Tanak is moving towards service

[focus206]

Kalle to open the road then, good news for him if it stays wet, bad news if it dries out...

[Dontcut]

W T F
This can't be tactical right? What a piece of shit of a car.

[TypeR]

Car is often worse than Ford.. just 5x more money invested :D

[meh]

Tänak just got tired and went to prepare for Super Sunday.

[wyler]

W T F
This can't be tactical right? What a piece of shit of a car.

on the opposite, team stated was to prepare for tomorrow.

[CeskyOndra]

Neuville struggling like hell

[CeskyOndra]

Neuville puncture? Losing more than usual

[rallyfiend]

W T F
This can't be tactical right? What a piece of shit of a car.

With 2 x fords retired earlier in the day, he knows he won't be first car on the road for Super Sunday now.

so why flog the car and engine any more than needed?

[COD]

W T F
This can't be tactical right? What a piece of shit of a car.

Of course it is. Why use car and tyres for nothing today, tomorrow is when points get awarded

[satnav]

Evans 3.7 up on Fourmaux at split 5

[satnav]

Toyota 1-2 after this stage going on the splits atm

[CeskyOndra]

Total disaster for Hyundai

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville's tyres werent destroyed he was saving them ! And been off the road.

[CeskyOndra]

Neuville's tyres werent destroyed he was saving them ! And been off the road.

Then what is Fourmaux doing?

[Lead]

Rovanpera back into it. If there is a less cleaning in the afternoon he can climb closer to leaders as well.

[satnav]

This makes the afternoon interesting to say the least, set-up, tyres make your mind up guys.....

[CeskyOndra]

Fourmaux sounds positive towards the afternoon. Interesting..

[denkimi]

Neuville's tyres werent destroyed he was saving them ! And been off the road.
Saving tyres before going to service?

Something wrong with the Hyundais i assume.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The spare engine Tanak's using also has an issue, so he's retired again in order to protect it.

Explaining that decision back in Concepción, Tänak said: “By regulation you’re allowed two engines per year. This is actually also the engine which we had a problem in Sweden and it’s also not in a good shape. So it was already getting on the limit on these two stages. So yeah, we try to save it for Super Sunday and hopefully it can take us through four stages.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-tanak-retired-from-rally-chile-again/

[trykmann]

The spare engine Tanak's using also has an issue, so he's retired again in order to protect it.

Explaining that decision back in Concepción, Tänak said: “By regulation you’re allowed two engines per year. This is actually also the engine which we had a problem in Sweden and it’s also not in a good shape. So it was already getting on the limit on these two stages. So yeah, we try to save it for Super Sunday and hopefully it can take us through four stages.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-tanak-retired-from-rally-chile-again/

Does he have an working engine till the end of this season? Is it forbidden to carry out major repairs to the engine during the season? If this engine was still not working properly from Sweden, then there probably are some kind of restrictions. Also we don't know if the broken engine from yesterday is repairable.

[Dontcut]

Does he have an working engine till the end of this season? Is it forbidden to carry out major repairs to the engine during the season? If this engine was still not working properly from Sweden, then there probably are some kind of restrictions. Also we don't know if the broken engine from yesterday is repairable.

Isn't it like that, two engine limit is connected to certain chassis or body. If they take new car or chassis then they get to use new engines? I might be totally off but I remember smthng like that.

[Dontcut]

And if backup engine is already having doubts then my money is on Tänak not finishing PS on 5+5p situation .

[KKS]

Isn't it like that, two engine limit is connected to certain chassis or body. If they take new car or chassis then they get to use new engines? I might be totally off but I remember smthng like that.
It's gearbox linked with two specific rallys. Engine could be fitted anyone of 2 "homologated" per season. But using 3rd engine in year it's 5 min time penalty on a rally where it's newly fitted

[KKS]

Physically broken cylinder for Tanak.... yeah... really not good news

[WRCStan]

Physically broken cylinder for Tanak.... yeah... really not good news

Which being the serial numbered part, explains why there's only so much repair they can do since Sweden 7 months ago.

[COD]

So Kalle all hards, saving softs for tomorrow.

[KKS]

Which being the serial numbered part, explains why there's only so much repair they can do since Sweden 7 months ago.
Yep that about yesterday engine, not about Sweden one. Mean yesterday unrepairable.. and if 'sweden one' brokedown tomorrow - it's 5 min at CER already

[TypeR]

Amazing rules invented.. mega money saving :D
Spend tens of millions to fight for wins and titles, but unable to repair or use proper engines and therefor lose wins and titles :D

I would limit the engines 1 per two seasons :D

[WRCStan]

Well, it did save money on a new engine and they weren't rewarded for having a supply of new engines that shouldn't need to be built. The cost saving rules prefer endurance over performance and their engine failed that. They might want to look at the design, materials and manufacturing process.

[Rallyper]

The spare engine Tanak's using also has an issue, so he's retired again in order to protect it.

Explaining that decision back in Concepción, Tänak said: “By regulation you’re allowed two engines per year. This is actually also the engine which we had a problem in Sweden and it’s also not in a good shape. So it was already getting on the limit on these two stages. So yeah, we try to save it for Super Sunday and hopefully it can take us through four stages.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-tanak-retired-from-rally-chile-again/

Is this the way championship`should be decided?

[WRCStan]

Is this the way championship`should be decided?

Manufacturers? Absolutely.

[KKS]

Brilliant stage from Ogier. Joy to watch

[KKS]

BTW by the Rules if Ott will use 3rd engine tomorrow +5min will apply in Chile? If yes so why they didn't fit new engine today, get +5min today and go for full points at Sunday.
If they still fit new engine for Sunday they scrap Sunday with +5min penalty already, but got 3 rally with new engine.
If they not - any of 3 next rally will be under threat of 'another engine failure'

[becher]

Is this the way championship`should be decided?

Reliability is part of the game, normally people can deal with it but if it happens at the "right" moment everybody is up in arms like sport should be different. This isn't sport, it is motorsport.

[WRCStan]

BTW by the Rules if Ott will use 3rd engine tomorrow +5min will apply in Chile? If yes so why they didn't fit new engine today, get +5min today and go for full points at Sunday.
If they still fit new engine for Sunday they scrap Sunday with +5min penalty already, but got 3 rally with new engine.
If they not - any of 3 next rally will be under threat of 'another engine failure'

Ah you made me look. No, the penalty applies to the next rally - CER.

Only if a car fails to finish a Power stage they can have a third engine penalty free but the retired engine does not get used again, so they'd have to sacrifice this result to be penalty free in CER and use a new engine, as I think Tanak has finished every Power stage, and like he says, they have used two this season.

[Rallyper]

Reliability is part of the game, normally people can deal with it but if it happens at the "right" moment everybody is up in arms like sport should be different. This isn't sport, it is motorsport.

Agree fully. Almost. But what should be proved? And where do you set the limitation? Why not one engine, then? No, excusé moi, that wouldn´t work, would it? Three then? Well, maybe get the fans more for their money, or how to look at it?

[denkimi]

Most of the homologation and reliability rules are adding nothing and just ruining rallies.

[Rallyper]

Most of the homologation and reliability rules are adding nothing and just ruining rallies.

Yeah. Smth like that, I mean.

[WRCStan]

Porter to Pajari: "You always ask me lots of questions".

Pajari: " "

:D Look who's talking.

[becher]

Agree fully. Almost. But what should be proved? And where do you set the limitation? Why not one engine, then? No, excusé moi, that wouldn´t work, would it? Three then? Well, maybe get the fans more for their money, or how to look at it?

If I remember correctly it was just one engine until this year and the only reason it changed was Tänaks issue at Estonia last year.

Of course there is the argument that cost saving measures like this don't change a thing as manufacturers spend the money they have, but if it wasn't for this regulation we still would have teams changing engines every other weekend.

So I'd say regulations like this actually are technically advantageous.

[denkimi]

If ogier wins this one, he deserves to be champion. He just is and remains the best.

[Rallyper]

If I remember correctly it was just one engine until this year and the only reason it changed was Tänaks issue at Estonia last year.

Of course there is the argument that cost saving measures like this don't change a thing as manufacturers spend the money they have, but if it wasn't for this regulation we still would have teams changing engines every other weekend.

So I'd say regulations like this actually are technically advantageous.

I wouldn´t say they could change engine every other weekend either- Where is the golden spot?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Everyone knows the rules and regulations. All have to abide by them and adjust their car / parts and way of using them accordingly.

[becher]

I wouldn´t say they could change engine every other weekend either- Where is the golden spot?

That's called the million dollar question isn't it?

[COD]

Ah you made me look. No, the penalty applies to the next rally - CER.

Only if a car fails to finish a Power stage they can have a third engine penalty free but the retired engine does not get used again, so they'd have to sacrifice this result to be penalty free in CER and use a new engine, as I think Tanak has finished every Power stage, and like he says, they have used two this season.

Hyundai has some thinking to do. Sacrifice potential points here and have a new engine for the last events penalty free?

[WRCStan]

Hyundai has some thinking to do. Sacrifice potential points here and have a new engine for the last events penalty free?

Or complete Chile and swap cars with the lackey Fourmaux. Or even Neuville.

[denkimi]

Or complete Chile and swap cars with the lackey Fourmaux. Or even Neuville.
Is swapping even allowed?

[WRCStan]

Is swapping even allowed?

Before an entry list is published, I can't see why not. I'll stand corrected if I get corrected.

[EstWRC]

Fourmaux put into his place again when starting positions are equal, just like in Paraguay

[JAM]

Agree fully. Almost. But what should be proved? And where do you set the limitation? Why not one engine, then? No, excusé moi, that wouldn´t work, would it? Three then? Well, maybe get the fans more for their money, or how to look at it?

The WRC has some stupid rules.

The manufacturers spent 60 miilions a year or more to win titles, and then they limite engines to only two?
A third one would blow the budgets? Seriously?

Basicly, they sent 40 miillions on R&D, almost 20 doing rallies, and then they couldn't spend 300.000 Euros on a third engine? Are these 300.000 on one more engine and 200.000 on one more gearbox that will blow the budget?

They blow the championship chances by saving 500.000Eur on a 60 milion budget?!?

[Steve Boyd]

Basicly, they sent 40 miillions on R&D, almost 20 doing rallies, and then they couldn't spend 300.000 Euros on a third engine? Are these 300.000 on one more engine and 200.000 on one more gearbox that will blow the budget?Where do you set the limit?

Do you allow a new engine and a new gearbox on every day of every event?

Using your figures that would be €1.5 million in engines and gearboxes every event!

[JAM]

Where do you set the limit?

Do you allow a new engine and a new gearbox on every day of every event?

Using your figures that would be €1.5 million in engines and gearboxes every event!

Answer: NO

WRC Regulations

17.1.1 Each Manufacturer must use no more than 2 engines per car
name per season (see also Art.17.2.2 and Art. 17.2.3).

But

17.2.3 When a car does not finish the Power Stage, an extra engine
per car name may be allowed without incurring a penalty. No
more than one extra engine per car name and per season may
be sealed without incurring any penalty.
When an extra engine is used, the engine which was fitted on
a retired car (car name) may not be used any further during
the season (see Art. 17.1.4).

If Tanak does not finish Sunday they can use a new engine replacing on of these two damaged

[TypeR]

Aren't engines linked with certain chassis numbers?

[deephouse]

Or complete Chile and swap cars with the lackey Fourmaux. Or even Neuville.

What if some drivers are good destroying the engines more, some do destroy tires more, some do destroy whole cars more... I don't say Tanak do that. But last year he either was very good or bin it completely. This year he is very good but his engines fail often. It's also Hyundai's fault and their constant reliability issues from the beginning. But what other options do he have? Getting again back at M-Sport and can't achieve much. Toyota have too any drivers and it seems every one of them is somehow important to them. The best chance of getting out of team is in 2027. He could also step into Lancia's office and maybe persuade them into bringing the car on a Rally1 field, but I think they already have that plan.

[Dontcut]

Aren't engines linked with certain chassis numbers?

I think yes and manufacturer team can use up to 9 chassis per season. I don't know what's fuzz about here. Hyundai just puts this Tänak chassis into garage after this and take new car with new two engine slots.

[Rallyper]

I can´believe those high figures around engines and gearboxes. It can´t be per unit, only an average of total costs... including development etz. So one more engine wouldn´t be that much as mentioned above, and should make championship more reassuringly.

[COD]

I think yes and manufacturer team can use up to 9 chassis per season. I don't know what's fuzz about here. Hyundai just puts this Tänak chassis into garage after this and take new car with new two engine slots.

If this was so easy, why would they have a used engine + damaged spare in Chile? I think there is more to the rule

[wyler]

If this was so easy, why would they have a used engine + damaged spare in Chile? I think there is more to the rule

during season, there are some "linked" rally, where you have to keep the same component for 2 consecutive round.

[KKS]

If this was so easy, why would they have a used engine + damaged spare in Chile? I think there is more to the rule
It's complicated somehow in a sporting regulation... on 'engine block' they say that engine count link to a 'car name' and car name - driver name list should be given to FIA before entrylist was published. So in that case they can give to Tanak Fourmaux car.

But than 'chassis' block come.. and they allow 9 chassis per year, so chassis=car name and 9*2=18 engines allowed per year?

[KKS]

during season, there are some "linked" rally, where you have to keep the same component for 2 consecutive round.
only for gearbox and diffs. And that link ends in Chile. Another one is CER/Japan

[WRCStan]

I think yes and manufacturer team can use up to 9 chassis per season. I don't know what's fuzz about here. Hyundai just puts this Tänak chassis into garage after this and take new car with new two engine slots.

Yeah lol.


If this was so easy, why would they have a used engine + damaged spare in Chile? I think there is more to the rule

The first probably wasn't a concern when they shipped it before it broke. The second (Sweden) engine is probably OK, just being protected yesterday with nothing to run for.


only for gearbox and diffs. And that link ends in Chile. Another one is CER/Japan

The link also applies to the chassis through 'per car name' in that rule. So the same car and engines were used in Paraguay.

[becher]

The WRC has some stupid rules.

The manufacturers spent 60 miilions a year or more to win titles, and then they limite engines to only two?
A third one would blow the budgets? Seriously?

Basicly, they sent 40 miillions on R&D, almost 20 doing rallies, and then they couldn't spend 300.000 Euros on a third engine? Are these 300.000 on one more engine and 200.000 on one more gearbox that will blow the budget?

They blow the championship chances by saving 500.000Eur on a 60 milion budget?!?
You cannot look at one part of the regulations individually, it is far more complex than that.
You take away all the cost saving regulations because each is only worth peanuts, but all of them together not only are a significant cost saving factor, but they also steer the development in certain directions.

Yes manufacturers are gonna spend what they gonna spend, but if you were to open everything up, manufacturers would have left already or cried even louder than they do now.

Your numbers are also off as the rule limiting the amount of engines has a direct effect on the R&D cost. If you suddenly change the regulations to allow one engine per rally the manufacturers would start a new development war and spend a shit ton as this would change the requirements for an engine completely.

[JAM]

I think yes and manufacturer team can use up to 9 chassis per season. I don't know what's fuzz about here. Hyundai just puts this Tänak chassis into garage after this and take new car with new two engine slots.

My understanding is that the car number 1 is always the car number one on the events, no matter the chassis.

The chassis used in Sweden by Tanak is not the same used in Chile, tthe plate number is dfferent.

[WRCStan]

The chassis used in Sweden by Tanak is not the same used in Chile, tthe plate number is dfferent.

Unless they changed the plates to the chassis number (the car name)?

17.1.2 Each engine will be assigned to a specific car name.

Ouch.

[Dontcut]

My understanding is that the car number 1 is always the car number one on the events, no matter the chassis.

The chassis used in Sweden by Tanak is not the same used in Chile, tthe plate number is dfferent.

Okay, different plate number mixes up my understanding.

[Rallyper]

It´s time to decide the winner, or most pointscoring driver...

[Eli]

So it seems Ott won’t make it with this engine until the end of the day…

[Corcaíoch]

Doesn't sound good for Tanak already here, such a shame because his time seems ok!

[Tauri_J]

Whats the issue this time? Not watching it

[Dontcut]

Engine is "ending" already.

Is some idiot putting these logs on the road? Evans onboard looked uncomfortable with these little logs.