[ERC] Rally di Roma Capitale 2025

[PLuto]

[ERC] Rally di Roma Capitale 2025

[PLuto]

I am surprised this topic was completely missing here. Maybe because moving the event from usual date at the end of July to the beginning?

[Andre Oliveira]

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[PLuto]

But today was published entry list - https://app-cdn.sportity.com/82b343e5-8e65-4914-81b6-e525076a185e/5919ca4f-cb3b-453c-a2f8-c632ccba8483_Entry%20List%20ERC%20ROM%202025%20ver %20C%2025%20June.pdf

[PLuto]

But today was published entry list - https://app-cdn.sportity.com/82b343e5-8e65-4914-81b6-e525076a185e/5919ca4f-cb3b-453c-a2f8-c632ccba8483_Entry%20List%20ERC%20ROM%202025%20ver %20C%2025%20June.pdf

BTW, there is more R5 cars that total number of cars on entry list to WRC Rally Estonia...

[WRCStan]

Who is Jump11? Did somebody copy and paste a password?

[saco0o]

basso is going to win... or at least be on podium
but eh, roope, llarena, lindholm, marczyk, ostberg, mabellini, jon, mille, tempestini, jos, max, phil, solans... what an amazing field.
tho i miss heikkila, he looked promising! and sean jonston, the american. he was a fun dude (tho he was in wrc2, not erc?)

[Jarek Z]

I am surprised this topic was completely missing here. Maybe because moving the event from usual date at the end of July to the beginning?

Or maybe because less and less people visit and paricipate in the forum?

[Jarek Z]

basso is going to win... or at least be on podium

Don't you underestimate Andrea Crugnola, who won the last 2 editions? ;)
https://www.fiaerc.com/en/events/erc-rally-di-roma-capitale-2025#4-recent-winners

[Fast Eddie WRC]

basso is going to win... or at least be on podium
but eh, roope, llarena, lindholm, marczyk, ostberg, mabellini, jon, mille, tempestini, jos, max, phil, solans... what an amazing field.
tho i miss heikkila, he looked promising! and sean jonston, the american. he was a fun dude (tho he was in wrc2, not erc?)

Quite a few of those ERC guys are more gravel-orrientated so wont challenge for the top.

Jon Armstrong should do really well after a big 'test' on the 3-day Donegal Rally. But he needs a reliable car as the Fiesta let him down there, plus a bit of luck which he rarely gets.

Of the others, Mabellini should go close, but I doubt anyone will beat the top Italians.

[PLuto]

Or maybe because less and less people visit and paricipate in the forum?

I know very well that people are visiting (every) forum less and less. Social media based mainly on pictures and videos and only few words of text are trendy. But I must say I dont like it. I prefer forum, where all messages are readable step by step as they were posted. Social media for me is usually full of chaotic messages from everywhere...

[Jarek Z]

I totally agree with you. I'm a memeber of several Facebook groups, but in the long run it doesn't work for someone who likes to read something more than just a bunch of stupid photos or silly videos.

[saco0o]

true! dedicated forums are great because theres so much knoweledge being shared directly. but even here the erc sub is way smaller than the wrc sub. its basically 8 of us here in every topic lol (and im always late - timezones).
anyway, long live erc! best rally championship out there imo

[WRCStan]

I totally agree with you. I'm a memeber of several Facebook groups, but in the long run it doesn't work for someone who likes to read something more than just a bunch of stupid photos or silly videos.

Do you not love multiple videos of a busy Chinese subway where the ignorant person won't give up their seat for the pregnant woman with shopping bags but another person does who then fake accidentally spills water on the ignorant person and they stand up in shock and then the good Samaritan takes their seat instead and its like some sort of justice has prevailed? It's brilliant stuff.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I use a few other sports and car forums and although users have decreased they're still fairly popular. I put this down to them being more modern than this one which probably hasnt changed since it started and certainly not in my 15 years.

I'm really glad this forum is still going but it would be great if a newer version could be found where it's much easier to post pictures, videos and social media. I think this would make it a lot more attractive both to use and to bring in new members.

[focus206]

I use a few other sports and car forums and although users have decreased they're still fairly popular. I put this down to them being more modern than this one which probably hasnt changed since it started and certainly not in my 15 years.

I'm really glad this forum is still going but it would be great if a newer version could be found where it's much easier to post pictures, videos and social media. I think this would make it a lot more attractive both to use and to bring in new members.

I think that's fighting a losing battle. Forums are obsolete, we may like them, but that's just how it is. They've been dying a slow death since 10 years, and I mean almost every forum of every topic, not just motorsport.
Even if you modernize them a bit, I don't think users on the younger side will bother signing up and stuff, they probably prefer having social medias account where they can follow all their interests in the same place, even if worse.

[saco0o]

tbf it is possible to create a reddit sub and keep it 'private', just accepting people 'from here' or ok people that one knows from other forus. it is possible to use it like we use here, with basic topics, with rules allowing only the creation of 'next event' topics (to avoind infinite topics for each subject). and since it would be private anyway, we wouldnt have fb-insta-x freaks posting new topics all the time asking "where should i watch wrc?"
BUUUUUUUUUUUUT i'd prooobably vote for 'no' because im lazy and dont want to get sucked into more internet lol

[PLuto]

But back to topic. I am happy that organisers has made a significant changes in the route this year, lot of stages is different, opposite direction or completely new. I am happy that they have more than 200 km of SS and each day they have one stage which has over 30 kms. It will be a big challenge!

[Jarek Z]

PLuto, do you have anything to do with this? ;)
https://en.italiani.it/Italy-in-the-grip-of-the-African-heat-arrives-the-anticyclone-Pluto-the-details/

[Jarek Z]

Miko Marczyk wins a small rally in Italy, a good test before Roma Capitale:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/91698-rally-montecatini-terme-e-valdinievole-2025/

[PLuto]

PLuto, do you have anything to do with this? ;)
https://en.italiani.it/Italy-in-the-grip-of-the-African-heat-arrives-the-anticyclone-Pluto-the-details/

Yes, they are correct. I am starting my trip to Italy tomorrow :)

[wyler]

But back to topic. I am happy that organisers has made a significant changes in the route this year, lot of stages is different, opposite direction or completely new. I am happy that they have more than 200 km of SS and each day they have one stage which has over 30 kms. It will be a big challenge!

preparing for wrc next year(s)?

[Jarek Z]

New livery for Simone Campedelli :)
https://www.fiaerc.com/en/news/campedelli-returns-to-erc-driven-by-nature

[PLuto]

On the start there are missing (from priority drivers) Lindholm, Verstappen and Sandrin.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No Philip Allen on the QS ?

[focus206]

There has been an explosion in a gas deposit / distributor in Roma today, many people injured, smoke clouds. As far as I can tell, it's not far from SS1, so don't be too surprised if it's cancelled. Maybe PLuto can say more.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It sounds a really bad incident, but I dont think there's a danger of any further explosions so hopefully SS1 can still go ahead.

[focus206]

It sounds a really bad incident, but I dont think there's a danger of any further explosions so hopefully SS1 can still go ahead.

Not explosions, but there could be toxic gas hanging around, they might not want spectators staying outdoors... but we'll see

[Jarek Z]

Mabellini fastest on the qualifying stage. That's a surprise to me. I thought Crugnola or Basso would win it.
https://www.fiaerc.com/en/news/home-hero-mabellini-fastest-in-roma-erc-qualifying

[saco0o]

i cheer for max (for obvious reasons haha) but im yet to see that SPARK, u'know? its always "oh, he's learning, take it easy". and i know and agree, but im yet to see that "sPARK haha.

basso had a rear-right flat basically at the start of the qualy, but he was fastest on the free practice, i think we can expect that car on the front during the weekend

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mabellini fastest on the qualifying stage. That's a surprise to me. I thought Crugnola or Basso would win it.
https://www.fiaerc.com/en/news/home-hero-mabellini-fastest-in-roma-erc-qualifying

It was no surprise to me. Although the other top locals didnt want to be first on the road.


Of the others, Mabellini should go close, but I doubt anyone will beat the top Italians.

[focus206]

No news about SS1 one hour away, so I imagine the smoke has dissipated or is not a problem in the SS1 area

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Coverage has started so all looks good for SS1.

[saco0o]

51 cars separated by 10 secs! no car is more than 0.4 behind the car ahead, or something like that.
cool

[RS]

Why didn't Lindholm & Verstappen start?

[dimviii]

Marczyk impressive so far!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Why didn't Lindholm & Verstappen start?

Lindholm postponed for ERC later in the year.

Not sure about Verstappen, maybe didnt fancy the extreme heat at his age ?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Marczyk impressive so far!

And another win on SS3 ! Didnt expect this, can he keep it up ?

But what's happened to Armstrong, he's way off the pace ?

[Jarek Z]

And another win on SS3 ! Didnt expect this

Me neither! It will be difficut to keep those 3 Italians behind his back!

Also very good stage time for Ostberg on this 34-km stage 3. It's not his type of rally.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

After all that Miko overshot a junction and lost the lead. Still a great morning though.

[Jarek Z]

Wow! That was scary!
https://rallypl.com/marczk-na-totalnym-limicie-polak-idzie-wszystko-w-rzymie-video/

[Jarek Z]

Rally di Roma Capitale is the 200th rally in the career of Sara Fernández, Effren Llarena's long time co-driver:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMvLOHRWBG8

[saco0o]

italians in italia, eh
shame motocross is not like that anymore, with locals beating the world/euro championship regulars

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I cant believe how poor today has been for Jon Armstrong. For driver and a team so familiar with their car to be so far off with the set-up is just ridiculous.

Plus he's had plenty of seat time and tarmac experience (in Donegal where he was so fast) that there's no excuses.

He should've been fighting for the top 5 here as a minimum.

[Steve Boyd]

I cant believe how poor today has been for Jon Armstrong. For driver and a team so familiar with their car to be so far off with the set-up is just ridiculous.

Plus he's had plenty of seat time and tarmac experience (in Donegal where he was so fast) that there's no excuses.

He should've been fighting for the top 5 here as a minimum.Hmmm - not sure that cold, damp & bumpy Donegal is that good a test for Italy!

[archie106]

The Fiesta is the slowest Rally2 car anyway, but that setup yesterday looked evil. Rare to see any team get a setup that wrong.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hmmm - not sure that cold, damp & bumpy Donegal is that good a test for Italy!

It wasnt cold or damp, it was warm and dry.

They aren't going any better today either. Very poor and hard to understand.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So a 3rd fastest for Armstrong on SS10. He said it's his favourite stage but it shows the car is capable and he should be doing better.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Possible 20s penalty for Crugnola (late check in to service) !

Seems confirmed and the fight for the win is over for him.

[saco0o]

basso is going to win...


ha

[Fast Eddie WRC]

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Despite finishing in 3rd behind Mabellini, Marczyk extended his championship lead to 22 points; assiisted by a powerstage win

[Jarek Z]

ha

Congrats, mate! :)

I didn't expect this win from Basso. This guy is 51 years old! :)

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[Jarek Z]

So the title will be decided between Marczyk and Mabellini this year. Ostberg seems too slow for those two and Korhonen has no speed on tarmac.

Standings:
https://www.fiaerc.com/en/results-and-standings/championship-standings

[Jarek Z]

Final Day Highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3UA82f2hO0

[saco0o]

Congrats, mate! :)

I didn't expect this win from Basso. This guy is 51 years old! :)

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haha but only because of Crognola's penalty. your guess was 'righter' than mine to be fair

[saco0o]

So the title will be decided between Marczyk and Mabellini this year. Ostberg seems too slow for those two and Korhonen has no speed on tarmac.

Standings:
https://www.fiaerc.com/en/results-and-standings/championship-standings

yeah, guess thats about right.
after czechia we can expect some budgets to run low, right?
then not maaaaany drivers do the UK round, probably...
hrvatska as the season finale will be more about the ones fighting for the title and locals

but ah, i still hope mads can get in this fight. aslo hoping for kopecky NOT to win next round hehe

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The drivers still have to drop their lowest score too, so there's not much to choose between Marczyk and Mabellini when you do that.

Still all to play for.

[PLuto]

Why didn't Lindholm & Verstappen start?

Verstappen crashed on pre-event test.

[PLuto]

Possible 20s penalty for Crugnola (late check in to service) !

Seems confirmed and the fight for the win is over for him.

It was not late check in to service, but late check in to regrouping out, which is even worse...

[PLuto]

yeah, guess thats about right.
after czechia we can expect some budgets to run low, right?
then not maaaaany drivers do the UK round, probably...
hrvatska as the season finale will be more about the ones fighting for the title and locals

but ah, i still hope mads can get in this fight. aslo hoping for kopecky NOT to win next round hehe

Lot of drivers were planning to miss the UK event. It is easy, from budget terms of view it is one of the most expensive round and also it brings issues with customs...

[PLuto]

But all in all, it was really nice event with amazing fights on all levels.

[PLuto]

For me one big fail from Toyota Italia...

https://i.imgur.com/5xf3CAil.png

[WRCStan]

For me one big fail from Toyota Italia...

At least they got the mileage. Better than stopping and going home.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lot of drivers were planning to miss the UK event. It is easy, from budget terms of view it is one of the most expensive round and also it brings issues with customs...

At least with the ERC Title being a battle the top few guys will be there. And with the BRC runners, some locals and some Irish, the Rally Ceredigion will still have a good entry.