View Full Version : [WRC] Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2025
Andre Oliveira
15th March 2025, 12:45
https://scontent.fopo4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/483510492_122207641886085814_2829049380384273994_n .jpg?stp=dst-webp_e15_q70_s1180x1255_tt1_u&efg=eyJ1cmxnZW4iOiJ1cmxnZW5fZnJvbV91cmwifQ&_nc_cid=0&_nc_ad=z-m&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo4-1.fna&_nc_cat=109&_nc_ohc=72ps2MLbe6UQ7kNvgHpdTiy&_nc_gid=eqrcZ1PauP8-nxfk7BbeDA&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=833d8c&oh=00_AYG5KZ-5kS92qVx_h8m8M_3XABpOyHVwp0xVWhMkrzDQhg&oe=67DB4DBD
https://www.ewrc-results.com/timetable/90020-vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2025/
pedro16
15th March 2025, 13:49
So, after the first look
Arganil, same as 2019.
Mortágua, no idea where the 4km cut is made.
Lousã and Gois with no changes.
Curious to see the 2 new stages. It's a much needed refresh to the route. Shame that it's in the year after the fires that devastated the whole area. The last one will be a night stage for the late runners.
Vieira do Minho is back, might be the same layout as 2017.
Cabeceiras de Basto, same as last year. I miss the old layout. It had the best spectating spot of the whole rally.
Amarante with a huge cut. Mostly at the beginning, but wouldn't discard an earlier finish as well. Stage now starts near the Fridão hairpin. Still the longest stage of the rally.
Sunday with nothing new, only stages switching from Saturday to Sunday.
CeskyOndra
16th March 2025, 08:50
Nice kilometres in total but I miss some stage over 30kms.
Andre Oliveira
3rd April 2025, 13:25
Bulacia / Vallejo in Toyota GR Yaris Rally2
Dimitris
4th April 2025, 06:14
Friday will be one of the best days of the entire season!
Andre Oliveira
16th April 2025, 08:33
12 Rally1 in Portugal
Diogo Salvi in Ford Puma Rally1
https://www.autosport.pt/ralis/wrc/diogo-salvi-de-ford-puma-rally1-no-rali-de-portugal/
saepuru
23rd April 2025, 17:13
Was the entry list supposed to come out today?
Sardalense
23rd April 2025, 20:32
Was the entry list supposed to come out today?
It was published moments ago. 95 entries.
pedro16
23rd April 2025, 21:29
95 entries
12 Rally1s
55 Rally2s
25 Rally3s
2 Rally4s
1 Rally5
I think that it's the biggest Rally2/R5 list ever at a WRC event.
Andre Oliveira
23rd April 2025, 23:05
Entry list: https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/90020-vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2025/
EstWRC
24th April 2025, 05:14
Amazing entry list! I have to visit this rally finally
Fast Eddie WRC
24th April 2025, 12:14
It'll be great to see Sesks again, plus so many of the WRC2 contenders all at the same rally.
Odd
29th April 2025, 08:30
Hello, first post here. Im going to see this event, but i cant find any maps yet. Am I looking from the wrong place or they are not public yet?
Would like to plan our days.
Fast Eddie WRC
29th April 2025, 09:07
Hello, first post here. Im going to see this event, but i cant find any maps yet. Am I looking from the wrong place or they are not public yet?
Would like to plan our days.
Theres a map here:
https://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/wrc-rallye-portugal-2025/
Andre Oliveira
29th April 2025, 16:38
Entry list: https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/90020-vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2025/
#35 Potty Maxime * Herman Renaud - Škoda Fabia RS Rally2 DNS due accident recovery
#63 Simões Lucas * Cunha Gonçalo - Škoda Fabia Rally2 evo DNS due driver arm injury
Sardalense
29th April 2025, 21:13
Hello, first post here. Im going to see this event, but i cant find any maps yet. Am I looking from the wrong place or they are not public yet?
Would like to plan our days.
Next Friday ;)
Dimitris
1st May 2025, 09:50
Big fan of the event’s route, Friday is going to be a killer day!
https://www.powerslideblog.com/wrc-route-previews/2025/rally-portugal-2025-route-preview
pedro16
1st May 2025, 13:49
Big fan of the event’s route, Friday is going to be a killer day!
https://www.powerslideblog.com/wrc-route-previews/2025/rally-portugal-2025-route-preview
Big fan of the suggested changes to the route.
Luilhas instead of Paredes on Sunday would also remove a lot of KMs of road section.
Dimitris
2nd May 2025, 06:25
Thank you! I am not a big fan of Paredes, it feels a bit Mickey Mouse with how the layout is, with so many detours etc
JRodrigues
9th May 2025, 23:26
Passats de canto never disappoints!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO7_QtAb2Oc
Andre Oliveira
10th May 2025, 10:05
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GqlPhbWWQAARntH?format=jpg&name=medium
Photo by Tiago Rodrigues
Jarek Z
13th May 2025, 19:15
According to Dirtfish Rally Portugal has the largest WRC2 entry list ever. It's actually more interesting than Rally1:
https://www.facebook.com/DirtFishRally/posts/pfbid0trZ1S5hRwLyRVkh7JxCfSTvrXbmoMjPdKxGFiBhs5gNL A5yQq5uLpF1cGRVRk9r1l
https://scontent.fktw4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/496821597_1096143499208568_1003384558331156564_n.j pg?stp=dst-jpg_s640x640_tt6&_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=CDmipYiTrZoQ7kNvwHtmamJ&_nc_oc=AdmfiXEHELTFJFic5hL0MW13XVgfpAjDBTEHrpQ82bv ZIc6u_Z7UH9VYaLs-Xqwx8-0&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fktw4-1.fna&_nc_gid=FEt5ZT8wW-x6PukzFwy21w&oh=00_AfLkpnIFDXImAMnjWJDANw9H6LVRuTclp7tho0L8p0s-bw&oe=68298303
CeskyOndra
13th May 2025, 21:04
Portugal is just great
Andre Oliveira
14th May 2025, 09:17
43
2 are out.
Fast Eddie WRC
14th May 2025, 10:21
It's actually more interesting than Rally1:
Especially with all the main WRC2 contenders here facing each other for once.
spyros
15th May 2025, 04:18
Morning all, i saw Ogier test and it was wet, any news about wheather during the rally?
flat_right
15th May 2025, 06:37
Rovanpera is totally back at it. Second on the road and only Thierry got close to him.
Rallyper
15th May 2025, 06:48
Morning guys. also some youngsters doing well.
jparker
15th May 2025, 07:07
43
2 are out.
Kris Meeke is not in the list.
TypeR
15th May 2025, 07:12
Kris Meeke is not in the list.
Yes, he is. #41
jparker
15th May 2025, 07:20
Yes, he is. #41
Not in the record entry list of 45 (DirtFish picture above).
Especially with all the main WRC2 contenders here facing each other for once.
One contender is missing. Emil Lindholm.
pedro16
15th May 2025, 07:40
Not in the record entry list of 45 (DirtFish picture above).
There are a few not registered for WRC2 points - Gryazin, Meeke and Sordo being the notorious ones.
55 Rally2s
4DNS
43 registered for WRC2 points
jparker
15th May 2025, 07:48
There are a few not registered for WRC2 points - Gryazin, Meeke and Sordo being the notorious ones.
Yes, that might be the case indeed, which makes the list even more impressive. According to Shakedown starting list we have 55 RC2 contenders.
Fast Eddie WRC
15th May 2025, 08:15
Sesks has done a good time (3rd fastest) on Run 2. Hopefully this bodes well for the rally.
Fast Eddie WRC
15th May 2025, 08:51
Remote servicing is back:
https://x.com/DirtFishRally/status/1922937480950497282
AndersX
15th May 2025, 09:06
Very smart PR and marketing move by Sesks team - to take an extra ride and set the fastest time. Works very well for his sponsors and supporters. Very smart!
EstWRC
15th May 2025, 09:07
3rd run very even between Kalle, Ogier and Tänak
Fast Eddie WRC
15th May 2025, 09:27
Morning all, i saw Ogier test and it was wet, any news about wheather during the rally?
Not sure of the forecast but Ogier said he doesn't want any rain as the Hankook tyre was scary in the wet !
Typ85
15th May 2025, 11:16
Impressive time and 3.5s faster then Fourmaux 4th run who takes extra ride as well. Anyone knows why 10:00:0 for Sesks in the 3rd SD run? Also for Neuville, McErlean and Pajari?
Fast Eddie WRC
15th May 2025, 11:35
Impressive time and 3.5s faster then Fourmaux 4th run who takes extra ride as well. Anyone knows why 10:00:0 for Sesks in the 3rd SD run? Also for Neuville, McErlean and Pajari?
Runs with a VIP passenger ride not timed.
Fast Eddie WRC
15th May 2025, 11:44
Scott Martin @scottmartinat
Well that’s shakedown complete today and everything feels good. We recced some of tomorrow stages in the wet so it’s difficult to know what the surface is like.
Either way it’s a long long day tomorrow. There will be a lot of cleaning on some stages and hopefully less on others.
tbazsi95
15th May 2025, 14:36
58. Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2025 Shakedown
2633
FULL SHAKEDOWN ONBOARD - Sesks/Francis | WRC Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmekBGyqprs
Fast Eddie WRC
15th May 2025, 16:40
The long (not so good) Friday according to some drivers...
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/no-time-to-eat-portugal-itinerary-concerns-wrc-drivers/
spyros
16th May 2025, 04:50
I predict a big battle between Toyota drivers.
EstWRC
16th May 2025, 05:05
Morning.
So let the mega day begin, let’s see who survives
CeskyOndra
16th May 2025, 06:10
This stage is not really representative IMO. The road isn't cleaning too much.
Neuville already hitting a bank.
Rallyper
16th May 2025, 06:15
Mawning, friends. Exciting day ahead.
Rallyper
16th May 2025, 06:17
Ogier saying setup is too soft. Katsuta already + 2 secs early on stage. Tanak -0,2 on Kalle at finish.
EstWRC
16th May 2025, 06:18
The times are so close between everyone to be honest
flat_right
16th May 2025, 06:25
Everyone is quite close, so no Rally Islas Canarias repeat! :D It’s looking promising.
EstWRC
16th May 2025, 06:25
This is Tanaks 398 stage win. 2 to go until 400.
But good to see Hyundai back, will be a nice rally if they hold together
tbazsi95
16th May 2025, 06:27
SS2 Sesks puncture :/
focus206
16th May 2025, 06:37
If all stages will be like this, then Evans lucky again with the road condition. But let's see
EstWRC
16th May 2025, 07:32
If all stages will be like this, then Evans lucky again with the road condition. But let's see
Yep and even some damp patches on ss3
focus206
16th May 2025, 08:00
If anything, the stage seems to be getting slower, Pajari and the Pumas slower than usual
Fast Eddie WRC
16th May 2025, 08:20
A lot drier on this one, Evans could suffer more with cleaning the road.
EstWRC
16th May 2025, 08:37
Finally a stage that’s cleaning
trykmann
16th May 2025, 08:38
Ott said to Martin that it feels like a completely different car, lots of understeer.
EstWRC
16th May 2025, 08:39
Ott said to Martin that it feels like a completely different car, lots of understeer.
Understandable. Totally different stage surface wise than the two previous ones
Fast Eddie WRC
16th May 2025, 08:39
Great time by Fourmaux.
Fast Eddie WRC
16th May 2025, 08:45
Some SS4 Quotes
Katsuta Takamoto
Johnston A.
"It's okay. All good."
Fourmaux Adrien
Coria A.
"Really beautiful stage. The tyre choice was interesting, we'll see. Great success!"
Tänak Ott
Järveoja Martin
"Interesting. Totally different car." (Right after stage end)
Neuville Thierry
Wydaeghe M.
"Difficult. I'm trying hard. The balance wasn't great and I don't know.. we'll see."
Ogier Sébastien
Landais V.
"We are trying our best. Not having a mega rhythm in the first two stages and we'll have to keep fighting.
becher
16th May 2025, 09:18
So Neuville finally woke up?
Edit: No
focus206
16th May 2025, 09:22
So Neuville finally woke up?
He just doesn't seem as fast/comfortable with hybridless + Hankook compared to hybrid + Pirelli of last year.
Some stages good, some stages not so good...
jonkka
16th May 2025, 09:23
So Neuville finally woke up?
Edit: No
No, not until tomorrow. His habit is to lazy down on first proper day, then stage more or less successful comeback later.
jonkka
16th May 2025, 09:24
Fourmaux to take the lead? He's already even with Tanak at split 4.
EstWRC
16th May 2025, 09:26
Great morning, very close gaps and battles thanks to the fact that it’s not cleaning as much.
Rallyper
16th May 2025, 09:29
Rovanpera on hard tyres? And the rest on soft?
Interesting to see what Rovanperä and Evans can do on the 2nd loop. Ogier did a really good stage for his road position, and Tänak did a good stage considering incorrect tyre choice.
Fast Eddie WRC
16th May 2025, 10:12
Not a bad loop for Evans opening the road. Lets see if he can bring back any time and places on the second run of some stages.
E. Mads Ostberg reckons not and he'll lose more time.
Fast Eddie WRC
16th May 2025, 10:31
Tanak says his last 2 stages were very different and quite terrible with understeer.
EstWRC
16th May 2025, 11:48
Again wrong tyre choice for Tänak ?
flat_right
16th May 2025, 12:59
Again wrong tyre choice for Tänak ?
I didn't see what he took compared to the others. Was there any information about it?
For tomorrow, maybe it's not bad at all if Tänak drops from 1st to 4th.
edit: nvm, brain-error.
Is the old maps solution lagging or Tänak is stopped.
edit: panic is over, maps was lagging.
EstWRC
16th May 2025, 13:24
Why the hell isn’t Fourmaux moving?
jonkka
16th May 2025, 13:24
Fourmaux isn't moving either nor producing splits.
TypeR
16th May 2025, 13:25
Just staying in the middle of the road..
EstWRC
16th May 2025, 13:26
This is such a brain fade from Fourmaux
focus206
16th May 2025, 13:26
Ah, come on Adrien...
Rallyper
16th May 2025, 13:27
Are spectators not allowed to put the car aside? Are marshalls crazy?
Rallyper
16th May 2025, 13:29
Are spectators not allowed to put the car aside? Are marshalls crazy?
Just sayin´, in Finland the car woould´ve been away for thirty seconds.
JRodrigues
16th May 2025, 13:31
it's not the mashalls... it's the militaries that are just put there and don't know what to do, so they don't let anyone near the car.
CeskyOndra
16th May 2025, 13:37
Yeah it's the police. I've been spectating exactly in this spot last year and there were loads of them.. Also there is a rock on the inside of that corner but it shouldn't damage a healthy steering arm..
EstWRC
16th May 2025, 13:40
it's not the mashalls... it's the militaries that are just put there and don't know what to do, so they don't let anyone near the car.
He could have reversed himself!
Just to be like a offended baby there and do nothing was just stupid
TypeR
16th May 2025, 13:40
Sordo had accident - lost over 30min and Meeke had puncture, but still leading national overall
CeskyOndra
16th May 2025, 13:41
Neuville woke up nicely, it was important for him to not lose more than 30 seconds overall.
For 8 stages, 6 different stage winners.
https://www.wrc.com/en/events/wrc-vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2025/wrc-rally-portugal-2025-results?page=results&tab=stage-winners
JRodrigues
16th May 2025, 14:07
Yeah it's the police. I've been spectating exactly in this spot last year and there were loads of them.. Also there is a rock on the inside of that corner but it shouldn't damage a healthy steering arm..
just like here:
https://www.facebook.com/100012183615007/videos/1870345153735885/?rdid=qmgR4A3w7hXKN85z#
they only got to the car when the militaries let them
Fast Eddie WRC
16th May 2025, 15:12
I'm gutted for Fourmaux and also for us with spoiling the battle. Such an innocuous looking mistake took out the Hyundai suspension but that isn't unusual.
I think the car was stuck in some way and couldn't be driven or even rolled away. The crowd had a hard job pushing it eventually when allowed.
linni
16th May 2025, 15:18
I'm gutted for Fourmaux and also for us with spoiling the battle. Such an innocuous looking mistake took out the Hyundai suspension but that isn't unusual.
I think the car was stuck in some way and couldn't be driven or even rolled away. The crowd had a hard job pushing it eventually when allowed.
The nose dig in. Would have been enough to reverse it or for the crowd to push sideways.
Managarium
16th May 2025, 16:38
Toyota has two different side air intakes: on the left side there are two ducts, on the right side only one.
https://i.postimg.cc/3NnjQYy7/498930059-17956811606939805-6491668206963021309-n.jpg (https://postimg.cc/V000jyBH)
Fast Eddie WRC
16th May 2025, 16:55
Sesks was pretty lucky which made up a bit for his bad luck this morning.
With tyres slightly off the rim, can crews fix them ?
jonkka
16th May 2025, 17:01
Toyota has two different side air intakes: on the left side there are two ducts, on the right side only one.
Smaller ones are, my guess, for rear brake cooling. Last year, I would have guessed larger to be for hybrid unit but that's no longer needed.
linni
16th May 2025, 17:30
Theoretically, if you give a big sudden inflation push, it is possible. And crews have co2 bottles in the car. Has it be done practically - no idea.
Edit - to fast Eddie.
Fast Eddie WRC
16th May 2025, 17:32
Theoretically, if you give a big sudden inflation push, it is possible. And crews have co2 bottles in the car. Has it be done practically - no idea.
Edit - to fast Eddie.
Thanks. And Ostberg just answered in commentary.
EstWRC
16th May 2025, 17:36
Ogier has been mega in the end on the rally cross tarmac
focus206
16th May 2025, 17:38
Rookie McErlean passes Munster...
linni
16th May 2025, 17:53
Man, what a pacenotes for Kalle - might heard wrong, but the note was like -"älä usko" - "do not believe". Maybe jonkka can verify.
denkimi
16th May 2025, 17:55
Theoretically, if you give a big sudden inflation push, it is possible. And crews have co2 bottles in the car. Has it be done practically - no idea.
Edit - to fast Eddie.
Some brake cleaner and a lighter.
But tyres don't just come off the rim without good previous reason. And that reason is almost always that the tyre was deflated due to damage first.
And even if they would come of the rim without being damaged, you would need to stop quite immediatelly or you would destroy them still.
linni
16th May 2025, 17:59
Some brake cleaner and a lighter.
But tyres don't just come off the rim without good previous reason. And that reason is almost always that the tyre was deflated due to damage first.
And even if they would come of the rim without being damaged, you would need to stop quite immediatelly or you would destroy them still.
Yes, works also, if the stars are aligned right.
But Sesks - I believe at least one tyre was ok, the one that came off hitting the bank. Happened even to some wannabe streetracers :)
EstWRC
16th May 2025, 18:12
Congrats Tänak, 400th stage win and leading the rally
Fast Eddie WRC
16th May 2025, 18:13
Ogier didn't lose much time on the last two stages and saved his Soft tyres. Ominous for the others tomorrow.
jonkka
16th May 2025, 18:16
Man, what a pacenotes for Kalle - might heard wrong, but the note was like -"älä usko" - "do not believe". Maybe jonkka can verify.
Unfortunately, I didn't catch that (I mostly watch *irated stream muted as commentary is in languages I don't understand).
However, it is plausible note because it's used in situations where road seems to do one thing but actually is doing something else so driver should not trust what he sees.
Dontcut
16th May 2025, 18:18
Unfortunately, I didn't catch that (I mostly watch *irated stream muted as commentary is in languages I don't understand).
However, it is plausible note because it's used in situations where road seems to do one thing but actually is doing something else so driver should not trust what he sees.
"Deceptive" in english what they mean.
Virves stopped at SS10? Between split 3 and split 4.
jonkka
16th May 2025, 18:21
"Deceptive" in english what they mean.
Yes, exactly.
EstWRC
16th May 2025, 18:22
Ogier didn't lose much time on the last two stages and saved his Soft tyres. Ominous for the others tomorrow.
To the honest there doesn’t seem to be much of a difference between the tyre compounds
focus206
16th May 2025, 18:26
Tanak vs Ogier for the win it seems. Can Kalle reel them in and join the fight with some monster times?
Good job to all the drivers, I expected much more carnage today.
The cap for Rovanperä is not small, but.. he is not the guy you don't count on. If he finds the sweetspot for setup and feeling, then he can climb to the fight. Neuville is not far away from him either.
becher
16th May 2025, 18:51
Unfortunately, I didn't catch that (I mostly watch *irated stream muted as commentary is in languages I don't understand).
However, it is plausible note because it's used in situations where road seems to do one thing but actually is doing something else so driver should not trust what he sees.
Are you looking for a stream in english?
drive
16th May 2025, 18:54
any more news on Fourmaux dnf? seen Dirtfish video, still not sure
Fast Eddie WRC
16th May 2025, 19:08
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrFusoGWgAE3uTs?format=jpg&name=medium
AnttiK7
16th May 2025, 20:14
Man, what a pacenotes for Kalle - might heard wrong, but the note was like -"älä usko" - "do not believe".
Rather than "älä usko", it was actually "älä, usko", so they are two separate pieces of information for the same corner. "Älä" means "don't" for "don't cut" and "usko" means "trust". And yeah, like jonkka said earlier Kalle uses "usko" for a deceptive corner where you need to trust the note and not drive with your eye.
WRCStan
16th May 2025, 22:14
Either of these are strange. Why not just write notes you trust always and every time?
TypeR
17th May 2025, 05:25
SS12-14
5 Soft:
Tanak, Neuville, Fourmaux, McErlean
1H 4S:
Evans, Ogier, Katsuta, Munster, Pajari, Sesks
2H 3S:
Rovanpera
EstWRC
17th May 2025, 06:05
Love this rally
The atmosphere is always great, many many fans, stages are great, awesome views from heli.
Such a contract with Canary Islands
There’s a reason why it has been awarded 5 times the best rally in the world
jonkka
17th May 2025, 06:12
Yes, these smooth forest roads look much nicer than the rough, dusty hills.
CeskyOndra
17th May 2025, 06:16
Will say it again, munster has nothing to do in Rally1
EstWRC
17th May 2025, 06:40
Horrible understeer for Tänak
EstWRC
17th May 2025, 07:24
Evans today with better road position is showing the same speed as first on the road yesterday. Weird
Rallyper
17th May 2025, 07:29
Evans only looking for Sunday points then?
denkimi
17th May 2025, 07:30
Evans today with better road position is showing the same speed as first on the road yesterday. Weird
he doesn't need better speed. he won't catch neuville on speed, nobody behind is a threat, and pajari will swap places. he can just cruise safely to 6th and hope someone in front get problems.
linni
17th May 2025, 07:35
Ott has gone full attack. Third split 1,4 sec to Ogier.
1988senna
17th May 2025, 07:36
what happened to sesks why so slow
jonkka
17th May 2025, 07:43
Tanak was well up on Ogier by mid-stage but lost in the end. Interesting.
Ott has gone full attack. Third split 1,4 sec to Ogier.
and lost 6.5 sec with last few splits. (puncture)
linni
17th May 2025, 07:44
Puncture for Ott.
denkimi
17th May 2025, 07:45
and only 1 spare. he will have to be careful on the next stage.
EstWRC
17th May 2025, 07:46
This is such a deja vu from last years rally when Tänak had puncture and Ogier won the rally by 7.9 seconds in the end
Dontcut
17th May 2025, 07:46
and only 1 spare. he will have to be careful on the next stage.
Shit, that's bad
TypeR
17th May 2025, 07:50
Thousands of kilometres behind the wheel, but Solberg talking like he just sat in the car this morning.
New to reversing this car, new to stalling this car, new to driving on gravel in this car..
Rallyper
17th May 2025, 08:51
Thousands of kilometres behind the wheel, but Solberg talking like he just sat in the car this morning.
New to reversing this car, new to stalling this car, new to driving on gravel in this car..
Behind the wheel driving, not rehearsal spinning and reversing I guess.
BlueStrike
17th May 2025, 09:27
So I wasn‘t imagining that bad split from Ogier that popped up a couple of minutes ago. Doesn‘t look like there‘s anything wrong on the car, though.
focus206
17th May 2025, 09:33
If Tanak doesn't run into trouble he can win it, he's faster than Ogier
Rallyper
17th May 2025, 09:33
Tanak, old good Tanak!
Tauri_J
17th May 2025, 09:34
Thats some vintage Tänak
fantastic.priit
17th May 2025, 09:37
Ott Tänak! Lets Go! Not old Tänak. Its New! Always new!
EstWRC
17th May 2025, 09:38
great response from Ott
such a shame about the slow puncture on previous one, otherwise the gap would have been close to 20 secs
CeskyOndra
17th May 2025, 09:51
Ott will win it. I knew it.
Fast Eddie WRC
17th May 2025, 10:59
Good last stage from Tanak, but it was Ogier who was slow too being only 5th fastest. I wouldn't write him off yet though.
EstWRC
17th May 2025, 11:44
Cmon. Nothing isn’t decided
Fast Eddie WRC
17th May 2025, 13:57
Evans being beaten on every stage today by Pajari with very similar road positions isn't good.
jonkka
17th May 2025, 14:47
Somewhat embarassing to Munster and McErlean that Sesks is beating them both, in similar car and running in front of them on the road.
philippebugalski
17th May 2025, 15:13
Tanak in full “Tanak” mode for the afternoon with no spares 😎
Proper rough stage, with a lot of risks to be taken, enjoying the rally a lot so far…
denkimi
17th May 2025, 15:40
Tanak in full “Tanak” mode for the afternoon with no spares 😎
Proper rough stage, with a lot of risks to be taken, enjoying the rally a lot so far…
He has a spare now for the afternoon loop as far as i know
focus206
17th May 2025, 16:12
I don't think Ogier has what it takes speedwise to do anything against Tanak this weekend... Ott "just" has to keep it clean
denkimi
17th May 2025, 16:31
I don't think Ogier has what it takes speedwise to do anything against Tanak this weekend... Ott "just" has to keep it clean
This is not the ogier of 2013 anymore.
Fast Eddie WRC
17th May 2025, 16:33
I don't think Ogier has what it takes speedwise to do anything against Tanak this weekend... Ott "just" has to keep it clean
And that i20 has to hold together...
Fast Eddie WRC
17th May 2025, 17:00
And that i20 has to hold together...
Power steering has gone !
And that i20 has to hold together...
Tänak lost powersteering. F*cking hell.
EstWRC
17th May 2025, 17:01
Power steering done for Tänak
Rallyper
17th May 2025, 17:01
Power steering has gone !
seems so...
jonkka
17th May 2025, 17:01
You were saying? :/
CeskyOndra
17th May 2025, 17:02
Oh my god, that shitbox.. no words.. gutted....
EstWRC
17th May 2025, 17:02
Like I said. Deja vu like last year, then he had puncture and lost the win and now this
TypeR
17th May 2025, 17:03
Quality is amazing..
Fkin hell
CeskyOndra
17th May 2025, 17:03
How is that possible... Tanak is just cursed
And that i20 has to hold together...
& of Course the Hyundai had to give....ffs, it makes the C3 WRC seem realiable in comparisson...
focus206
17th May 2025, 17:04
And that i20 has to hold together...
And here we go...
Sorry for Ott, deserved the win this weekend.
Fast Eddie WRC
17th May 2025, 17:04
Martin is changing gear !
TypeR
17th May 2025, 17:06
Abibudu.. what do you say now?
focus206
17th May 2025, 17:06
& of Course the Hyundai had to give....ffs, it makes the C3 WRC seem realiable in comparisson...
The C3 was more reliable than the i20 (especially compared to the 2022-2023 version). Problem was, the C3 was even more difficult to drive and set up than the i20...
EstWRC
17th May 2025, 17:07
Fast Eddie cursed it
Abibudu.. what do you say now?
"Obvously the regulations are against us...let us use the IONIQ 5N for rallying"
Fast Eddie WRC
17th May 2025, 17:08
I had a feeling... and with others saying it was pretty rough.
Also they didn't take this new car to Safari.
Dontcut
17th May 2025, 17:09
Whatever happens tonight on last stage, tomorrow Ott will drive wheels off from that shitbox and goes for Kalle and Ogier.
BlueStrike
17th May 2025, 17:14
Potentially 5th after Lousada tonight.
I do wish "The quality is amazing" wouldn‘t be the greatest end-of-stage evergreen to come out of Ott‘s mouth.
stavrosGDB
17th May 2025, 17:20
As an Ott fan,this is getting very frustrating.
Fast Eddie WRC
17th May 2025, 17:24
Powerslide @PowerslideMedia
The Amarante curse strikes again for Tanak...
After 2017 and 2021, the Estonian has lost a win in Portugal for a third time on the same stage.
EstWRC
17th May 2025, 17:46
Even Thierry was so gutted :(
fantastic.priit
17th May 2025, 17:53
Ott gonna win tomorrow. Mark my words!
CeskyOndra
17th May 2025, 17:59
Even Thierry was so gutted :(
Who isn't.. Disaster year for Hyundai.. They will be glad for a single win this season huh...
denkimi
17th May 2025, 18:05
Ott gonna win tomorrow. Mark my words!
He might beat rovanpera, but not ogier.
focus206
17th May 2025, 18:09
Ott gonna win tomorrow. Mark my words!
Only if Ogier runs into trouble. Ott will have to fight hard to take 2nd from Kalle.
EstWRC
17th May 2025, 18:23
Only if Ogier runs into trouble. Ott will have to fight hard to take 2nd from Kalle.
Hard? He was way faster than Kalle so far
TypeR
17th May 2025, 18:27
Hard? He was way faster than Kalle so far
I would say that if it rains tomorrow and roads are slippery, then it is hard to beat Kalle.. he is master with such conditions + Toyota had tests in wet
fantastic.priit
17th May 2025, 18:28
Ogier need to drive on limit. In day Ott was quite fast all day. Before the issue Ogier was 6 seconds back. And when everything is holding together. It can be hell of ride tomorrow. Rovanpera is easy. And still 70km to go . Long day tomorrow.
EstWRC
17th May 2025, 18:31
Wait, there is rain predicted tomorrow?
focus206
17th May 2025, 18:36
Hard? He was way faster than Kalle so far
8 seconds behind and one place worse in road position, I think Ott will indeed be flat out to pass Kalle
TypeR
17th May 2025, 18:37
Only Fafe region, but still some possibility
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrLHt93WcAAKMJ4?format=jpg&name=small
EstWRC
17th May 2025, 18:45
Ok if that comes true then Tänak has no chance
TypeR
17th May 2025, 19:44
Even if there was an impact.. it sounds like trying to push the ,,blame'' away..
“It’s a broken steering rack and the casing is just split,” Demaison told DirtFish. “A piece of aluminium is missing from the rack.”
Demaison went on to explain that a hydraulic blockage was caused by “an impact on the wheel, that’s for sure.”
+ such detailed description of the problem..
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyundai-identifies-cause-of-tanak-power-steering-failure
Fast Eddie WRC
17th May 2025, 20:32
But...
"Despite losing what was increasingly looking to be a likely victory, Demaison indicated he had no regrets over Tänak’s approach of pushing on regardless, suggesting it was essential they take such risks if Hyundai is to catch Toyota in either championship race.
“We are in a position where we have to close the gap, so we need to push and this can happen when you are in this situation,” he said.
"Username"
17th May 2025, 21:40
Tanak literally said he was comfortable in the car and didn't feel like he was taking any risks. That means he wasn't overdriving the car. How slow you must drive then, to not brake anything? Like serderidis? This is ridiculous.
Fast Eddie WRC
17th May 2025, 21:53
Elfyn Evans:
A frustrating day as I’ve won all of these stages in past years, but today it looked like I’d forgotten how to drive on gravel rallies !
It didn’t feel as slow in the car as what the times suggested, but we definitely need to find out what’s going on. We will have to study the data tonight to find some answers because if I drive tomorrow like I did today there won’t be any extra points !
We’ll work on it, and we won’t give up. Six more stages tomorrow.
denkimi
17th May 2025, 22:24
Tanak literally said he was comfortable in the car and didn't feel like he was taking any risks. That means he wasn't overdriving the car. How slow you must drive then, to not brake anything? Like serderidis? This is ridiculous.
Tanak never feels like he is overdriving, yet he breaks a lot of cars while "taking no risks".
But of course, he is driving a Hyundai. If he was driving a toyota, he might have gotten away with it.
There must be a reason why 6 out of 7 champions in the last years were driving a toyota.
"Username"
17th May 2025, 22:38
Oh, there have been multiple rallies where he has said that he is over the limit, so your point is wrong. The bright example that pops to my mind is his victory in Finland 2022. But still, how slow you must drive a Hyundai in order "not to brake the car"?
deephouse
18th May 2025, 04:57
Probably parked in garage. What I don't get why the hell did that thing do so well on Greece stages? That events is so rough on cars. And everywhere else it breaks a lot. I mean really a lot.
trykmann
18th May 2025, 05:35
Tanak never feels like he is overdriving, yet he breaks a lot of cars while "taking no risks".
But of course, he is driving a Hyundai. If he was driving a toyota, he might have gotten away with it.
There must be a reason why 6 out of 7 champions in the last years were driving a toyota.
If you want to win, then you have to be faster than anyone else. With higher speed all the components get also higher stress and stronger impacts. If the driver is cutting in the wrong places and breaks the car, then it is the drivers fault. If the car breaks while driving it fast, then I wouldn't blame the driver.
EstWRC
18th May 2025, 05:45
And the trend with Tanak continues this year. When it’s super Sunday then he suddenly doesn’t have that speed anymore as previous days. Same story in Sweden and Kenya
Rallyper
18th May 2025, 05:51
Wake up call for Ogier. Let´s see what happens...
And the trend with Tanak continues this year. When it’s super Sunday then he suddenly doesn’t have that speed anymore as previous days. Same story in Sweden and Kenya
If Hyundai retire at the end of this year, can we see him & Neuville in the Yaris and see who is best out of all 10(?) Yaris Rally1 Cars?
EstWRC
18th May 2025, 06:02
If Hyundai retire at the end of this year, can we see him & Neuville in the Yaris and see who is best out of all 10(?) Yaris Rally1 Cars?
Heh. This will never happen but would be cool
AndersX
18th May 2025, 06:30
Heh. This will never happen but would be cool
Why not - lets call it World Toyota Invitational Rally Chanpionship, i.e., where some Ford looka-a-likes from MSport are allowd to participate. Split the GR into 3 private teams, similar to Rally Raid and go on.
AndersX
18th May 2025, 06:35
Btw, i am ready to start 2025/26 Silly Season and prognoze that next year Sesks and McErlean will be teammates on full time. I really like what I see by both of them. Safety Culture could have been the first bird of companies that would appreciate the global brand visibility and provide necessary funds.
EstWRC
18th May 2025, 06:43
Cmon Ott. That’s more like it
trykmann
18th May 2025, 07:31
Thierry is talking alot about cleaning like he is first on the road. Does it really still have this kind of effect considering his starting position?
EstWRC
18th May 2025, 07:40
Tänak got past Kalle in Sunday standings.
Rallying is so harsh, he has been the man of the rally but in the end you get a 3rd place
I must say I’m impressed by Rossel on gravel, maybe he is becoming a real allround driver?
rallyfiend
18th May 2025, 07:52
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/ogier-faces-his-biggest-physical-struggle-ever-on-a-rally/
Isn't this why they get paid many millions of euros?
denkimi
18th May 2025, 08:24
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/ogier-faces-his-biggest-physical-struggle-ever-on-a-rally/
Isn't this why they get paid many millions of euros?
Ogier isn't even the oldest rc1 driver here, salvi is 55 years old.
EstWRC
18th May 2025, 08:59
The fight between kalle and Tänak is getting interesting now
focus206
18th May 2025, 09:02
Unless Kalle brings out something for the PS, Tanak can get him, but he has to be perfect
EstWRC
18th May 2025, 09:04
Sad to think that this should have been third win this season already for Tänak.
Issues in Sweden when leading, same in Kenya and now here
But bodes well for the rest of the gravel rallies until October. The speed is there
CeskyOndra
18th May 2025, 09:52
Neuville made a mistake between 1st and 2nd split..
Rallyper
18th May 2025, 09:58
Live timing isn´t working properly...
linni
18th May 2025, 10:01
Live timing isn´t working properly...
https://webapps2.wrc.com/2020/web/live/live.html
Workds fine.
Dontcut
18th May 2025, 10:05
Please no rain on Fafe
CeskyOndra
18th May 2025, 10:48
Please no rain on Fafe
I dont think there will be
EstWRC
18th May 2025, 11:03
Fourmaux withdrew, cooling problems apparently but my guess is that they just don’t see a point
CeskyOndra
18th May 2025, 11:18
Fourmaux withdrew, cooling problems apparently but my guess is that they just don’t see a point
Why would they even run yesterday and today and retire before PS? I mean there were some testing going on but one more stage to go doesn't seem like a big task to complete
Why would they even run yesterday and today and retire before PS? I mean there were some testing going on but one more stage to go doesn't seem like a big task to complete
I don't remember the details, but I think there are some more updates available to make changes for a retired car.
EstWRC
18th May 2025, 11:37
I don't remember the details, but I think there are some more updates available to make changes for a retired car.
They can change the engine now when they retire
CeskyOndra
18th May 2025, 11:48
Ah okey guys. Btw the clouds are looking a bit scary
Rallyper
18th May 2025, 11:49
https://webapps2.wrc.com/2020/web/live/live.html
Workds fine.
Well, I´m on WRC.com/livetiming, having modern (latest computer, and no problems during the weekend until this afternoon... splits coming and going...
mknight
18th May 2025, 11:52
They can change the engine now when they retire
They can retire easily before last TC in service after PS. Like they did with Loeb here in 2019 for example.
Retiring on purpose just before PS makes no sense unless forced to.
linni
18th May 2025, 12:02
Well, I´m on WRC.com/livetiming, having modern (latest computer, and no problems during the weekend until this afternoon... splits coming and going...
They are coming. Eventually.
It may happen here that Pajari takes the place back from Evans?
after first bad split Evans got the speed up and is faster now than Pajari
denkimi
18th May 2025, 12:13
They can retire easily before last TC in service after PS. Like they did with Loeb here in 2019 for example.
Retiring on purpose just before PS makes no sense unless forced to.
retiring means no point anyway, so why bother?
CeskyOndra
18th May 2025, 12:17
Stop talking about the rain it wont come in 10 minutes bro..
It is crazy how much everyone push, really intense and enjoyable to watch
Rallyper
18th May 2025, 12:31
God job from Tanak. Unlucky, he didn´t win.
EstWRC
18th May 2025, 12:35
Last year the gap was 7.9 and this year 8.7 between Ogier and Tänak
trykmann
18th May 2025, 12:38
It was good to see the raw speed from Tänak again. Also when Toyota isn't a lot better than Hyundai performance wise, then Kalle isn't super human anymore.
Should’ve known Ogier would take it, shame on the pickems, congrats for his 7th win, most impressive. Hopefully the Hyundai won’t fall to pieces next time out in Sardegna.
EstWRC
18th May 2025, 12:43
It was good to see the raw speed from Tänak again.
Yep, won half of the stages, 12. And was good to hear him saying the balance is good with the new chassis
But for me still a hard pill to swallow that he didn’t win
denkimi
18th May 2025, 12:48
Anyone has the standings now?
Anyone has the standings now?
pos pnt driver
1. 118 Evans
2. 88 Rovanperä
3. 86 Ogier
4. 84 Tänak
5. 78 Neuville
becher
18th May 2025, 12:52
Anyone has the standings now?
+1
Also for WRC2?
CeskyOndra
18th May 2025, 12:53
Widely opeeen championship. Sardegna and Greece coming (Evans should struggle) and then Tanak's home rally and Rovanpera's favourite one. Also Hyundai is strong in Sardegna and Greece.
trykmann
18th May 2025, 13:04
Widely opeeen championship. Sardegna and Greece coming (Evans should struggle) and then Tanak's home rally and Rovanpera's favourite one. Also Hyundai is strong in Sardegna and Greece.
Lets hope the updated Hyundai is also competitive in Estonia and Finland. Then we have a very interesting season ahead.
+1
Also for WRC2?
https://www.wrc.com/en/events/wrc-vodafone-rally-de-portugal-2025/wrc-rally-portugal-2025-results?page=results&tab=standings
1. 67 Rossel
2. 60 Solberg
3. 40 Greensmith
4. 29 Korhonen
5. 27 Solans
focus206
18th May 2025, 15:57
Widely opeeen championship. Sardegna and Greece coming (Evans should struggle) and then Tanak's home rally and Rovanpera's favourite one. Also Hyundai is strong in Sardegna and Greece.
Hyundai has to improve reliability and speed on tarmac or the championship will be open only for Evans and Kalle
Stellar job by Tanak, would have deserved the win but this is motorsport. As expected, Ogier is not as fast as he used to be, but he wasn't going to blow such a lead on Sunday.
Kalle did what he should, bring it home and take points from Evans.
Evans not impressive but also the road position was against him, in the end it's not reasonable to expect a much better result with so few retirements.
Thierry still misses some speed and confidence with this hybridless + Hankook car... he is fast only on certain stages.
Morte66
19th May 2025, 06:04
Not my kind of rally, I only watched a couple of hours in the end. But Hyundai's car looked better, so it may be a fun summer for gravel fans. And it was nice/scary to see Tanak on form.
See you guys for the Barum, maybe. o/
Fast Eddie WRC
19th May 2025, 14:25
Rally Portugal itinerary criticism forces re-think...
https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/rally-portugal-criticism-causes-wrc-fia-to-address-event-schedules/10724341/
And Ogier says it was most demanding of his career !
https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/ogier-rally-portugal-among-most-physically-demanding-of-wrc-career/10724214/
WRCStan
19th May 2025, 14:32
Moving some stages to the Thursday should be an acceptable compromise.
pedro16
19th May 2025, 15:16
Moving some stages to the Thursday should be an acceptable compromise.
It's hard when there are contracts in place and money involved, and it will most likely not happen, but...
Change the cerimonial start. Scrap the SSS. Bring the 2 new stages from this year to Thursday. Closer to Porto and the liaison distance to Mortágua on Friday morning would actually be reduced. Keep the Friday remote service. It would still be a long day, but much more bearable.
Saturday could be a much shorter day with remote service, but then what would be the point of those mega structures and a central service park?
That's a dillema that all the parties involved have to solve.
Sunday could be a lot shorter if Paredes only ran once. The crews needed to go almost halfway back to run the 2nd pass. There are options around Fafe to do another stage if that's needed.
EstWRC
19th May 2025, 17:59
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk7uw4PL9JM
denkimi
19th May 2025, 18:53
Moving some stages to the Thursday should be an acceptable compromise.
The stages are not the issue, the huge distance between them is. They didn't do more km's of SS here, just more road sections. Move the stages closer together and everything is solved.
Fast Eddie WRC
20th May 2025, 09:43
I have to agree what Ogier said regarding people not watching at 7am and even earlier. None but a few fanatics will be wanting or able to be sitting down and viewing sport at this time of day. Surely there's no need to start so early if theres hardly any viewers.
AndyRAC
20th May 2025, 10:06
The stages are not the issue, the huge distance between them is. They didn't do more km's of SS here, just more road sections. Move the stages closer together and everything is solved.
And that's because of the central service park....If events were allowed more freedom then you could have another service park elsewhere - even an overnight halt elsewhere. But, the current WRC can't begin to allow that.......
Franky
20th May 2025, 10:27
I have to agree what Ogier said regarding people not watching at 7am and even earlier. None but a few fanatics will be wanting or able to be sitting down and viewing sport at this time of day. Surely there's no need to start so early if theres hardly any viewers.
Are you talking about people by the roadside or behind the screens?
WRCStan
20th May 2025, 11:12
I have to agree what Ogier said regarding people not watching at 7am and even earlier. None but a few fanatics will be wanting or able to be sitting down and viewing sport at this time of day. Surely there's no need to start so early if theres hardly any viewers.
I wonder what the thoughts of 80~ crews who weren't screened at all are, those guys who chose to be there. I like old man Seb, and I'm sure Ott has a valid point behind his "treated like animals" outburst; but plenty of other people don't seem to mind at all.
Fast Eddie WRC
20th May 2025, 12:51
Are you talking about people by the roadside or behind the screens?
TV / online where the vast majority of fans watch the events.
Plus the Sundays often start especially early and I'm sure most people dont want to get up super-early to watch then. Four stages from 9am - 12pm would be better.
Franky
20th May 2025, 13:14
TV / online where the vast majority of fans watch the events.
Plus the Sundays often start especially early and I'm sure most people dont want to get up super-early to watch then. Four stages from 9am - 12pm would be better.
I don't know, that 6:43am start time is 8:43am in Estonia. Like no issues. The thing with TV/online audience is that they are everywhere and you can't base a claim on one time zone only. I'm sure there are plenty of people who dislike being awake all night to follow some rally on the other side of the globe.
And when it comes to spectating, I am sure there are plenty of us who've started driving in the middle of the night to get to some morning stage.
EstWRC
20th May 2025, 16:17
Tänak not sounding too confident and happy to Estonian media after the rally
Says that over a long time he really enjoyed driving the car but the car is still fragile and the setup window is too small. He hit the setup this time since Saturday morning but says it doesn’t mean it will click also on the next rounds.
focus206
20th May 2025, 18:56
Says that over a long time he really enjoyed driving the car but the car is still fragile and the setup window is too small. He hit the setup this time since Saturday morning but says it doesn’t mean it will click also on the next rounds.
So... difficult to setup and too fragile. Sounds like the i20 in a nutshell.
EstWRC
21st May 2025, 08:16
So... difficult to setup and too fragile. Sounds like the i20 in a nutshell.
As far as my memory goes then the idea with the 2025 machine was to expand the setup window. With the 2022-2024 car it has always been very narrow.
But this could be also only Tänaks problem although Thierry now said after Portugal that he will try Ott’s setup cause he was struggling with the loose rear
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