2025 WRC News & Rumours

[AndersX]

It is 02.12., 7 weeks to Rally Monte Carlo, still no news neither from Hyundai nor M-Sport. Then, in the end of 2025 season Hyundai again would look back for answers how would they manage to lose to Toyota - but it all starts with small details - timely made and clear decisions, safe and well prepared driver lineup etc. We all remember how delayed came H decision to start to develop the HY car that led to wasted season both for Tanak and Neuville. I can understand M-Sport, never ending Cinderella story, but what is the Hyundai issue to be more serious about managing their things?

[becher]

It is 02.12., 7 weeks to Rally Monte Carlo, still no news neither from Hyundai nor M-Sport. Then, in the end of 2025 season Hyundai again would look back for answers how would they manage to lose to Toyota - but it all starts with small details - timely made and clear decisions, safe and well prepared driver lineup etc. We all remember how delayed came H decision to start to develop the HY car that led to wasted season both for Tanak and Neuville. I can understand M-Sport, never ending Cinderella story, but what is the Hyundai issue to be more serious about managing their things?

There is a difference between making decisions and telling the public.

[deephouse]

On some podcast there was some clues revealed, that there will be 3rd fixed driver at Hyundai (Fourmaux most likely, even he blamed everything on the car - Puma on the last few events), and that there is room for 3 simultaneously programmes withing the brand (so WEC, IMSA and WRC). Even updating that Rally2 car can give us some hope on stying in the series, at least for some time. M-Sport will indeed benefit now with hybrid unit taken out, maybe selling out the car or give out for the rent. And they are planning Puma Rally2 model if FIA will made it right. But they are really ones to blame, since all they do is being so undecided all the time and take decisions so late.

[AndersX]

There is a difference between making decisions and telling the public.

Do you think that sitting on very decisive info just to have fun or whatever is a PR and creditability mastermind? I would speculate that some level negotiations are still going on and are waiting for the final approval from Korea. Possibly there were 2 scenarios prepared - one, if WMC would be won and other - if lost. I am just speculating.

[Andre Oliveira]

I think they only will announce after Monza.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I think they only will announce after Monza.

Yep. Fourmaux is driving the M-Sport Puma and still under contact, so Hyundai wont announce him yet.

Negotiations for his replacement at M-Sport are still ongoing and they'll give the possible drivers as long as possible to find the required funding sponsors.

[BobJones]

Yep. Fourmaux is driving the M-Sport Puma and still under contact, so Hyundai wont announce him yet.

Negotiations for his replacement at M-Sport are still ongoing and they'll give the possible drivers as long as possible to find the required funding sponsors.

Great point!

It's a done deal - just waiting now to see if a fourth car can be ran by Hyundai, that's the main intrigue now I reckon.

[saco0o]

at this point im already assuming Fourmaux is in Hyundai and Msport is going with Sesks and Munster
i also read somewhere cyril talking really well about lappi. if they even run a 4th car in some events next year, i can see lappi being in one or two events tbh. probably 9 full timers.... not good yet imo but better than 6

[wyler]

Carlos Tavares, Stellantis Ceo resigned. repercussions on new Lancia programs to be evaluated.

[saco0o]

remind here that the FIA presidential electtions are next year.
i hope mohammed ben sulayem gets kicked out. he promissed in several interviews to help rally, the man did NOTHING.

[rallyfiend]

remind here that the FIA presidential electtions are next year.
i hope mohammed ben sulayem gets kicked out. he promissed in several interviews to help rally, the man did NOTHING.

He hasn't helped anything, not just rallying.

The FIA is a mess.

[deephouse]

Carlos Tavares, Stellantis Ceo resigned. repercussions on new Lancia programs to be evaluated.

As always when things go wrong, it's better to take all stolen money and run somewhere else and destroy new company.


remind here that the FIA presidential electtions are next year.
i hope mohammed ben sulayem gets kicked out. he promissed in several interviews to help rally, the man did NOTHING.

He is also all over media for various F1 affairs, so yeah, I think he really don't care.

[AndyRAC]

remind here that the FIA presidential electtions are next year.
i hope mohammed ben sulayem gets kicked out. he promised in several interviews to help rally, the man did NOTHING.

How long have you been following motorsport? The FiA President has very little time to concentrate on WRC, he even said this himself. The F1 world wants him to put them first - they've been out to get him, since he was elected; he's not one of them, he's an outsider, who comes from rallying.

[saco0o]

How long have you been following motorsport? The FiA President has very little time to concentrate on WRC, he even said this himself. The F1 world wants him to put them first - they've been out to get him, since he was elected; he's not one of them, he's an outsider, who comes from rallying.

eh, tbf maybe i believed too much in his words to dirtfish. re-reading his words "This is the beginning. I am here. I have to give more time to rallying, because we can fix it.” i can see more clearly now that is was just P.R. shit. he probably meant "im going to take money from the saudi king" haha

[deephouse]

Sami Pajari announced on FB, that he will be partnered with his previous co-driver for 2025. Marko Salminen.

Also Toyota will nominate Rovanpera and Evans to score manufacturer points and the third scoring will be nominated depending on the situation and how the season progress. Where Ogier will be present it will obvious be him, but on the remaining it could be Katsuta and also Pajari.

[becher]

eh, tbf maybe i believed too much in his words to dirtfish. re-reading his words "This is the beginning. I am here. I have to give more time to rallying, because we can fix it.” i can see more clearly now that is was just P.R. shit. he probably meant "im going to take money from the saudi king" haha

What could the FIA president changed for the better in recent years?

Pull a new entrant out of his hat? No. Make sure the promoter does his job? Don't think so. Singlehandedly change the regulations to something that people on the internet want? Definitely no.

[TypeR]

What could the FIA president changed for the better in recent years?

Pull a new entrant out of his hat? No. Make sure the promoter does his job? Don't think so. Singlehandedly change the regulations to something that people on the internet want? Definitely no.
Hi, Ben! :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I dont think anyone at the FIA could fix the problems with the future of WRC and rallying in general.

Until the car industry sorts its ideas out as to the future of car propulsion its impossible to make any decisions.

Everything is in a state of flux, even the Regs for Rally2 which is the most successful formula. Proposals to go with a spaceframe chassis (from Rich Millener of M-Sport) have been very negatively received by everyone on social media.

[becher]

Everything is in a state of flux, even the Regs for Rally2 which is the most successful formula. Proposals to go with a spaceframe chassis (from Rich Millener of M-Sport) have been very negatively received by everyone on social media.

This is purely because people have no idea what they are talking about. They think a Rally2 is a roadcar with some "go fast bits". The work required on the road car shell is huge, but they are not aware of that.

[becher]

Hi, Ben! :)

Nice joke, but seriously neither Todt nor MBS were/are dictators with a magic wand.

[TypeR]

Nice joke, but seriously neither Todt nor MBS were/are dictators with a magic wand.
They are, but there is just no interest in WRC for these bs bosses.. F1 is so wanted and prestigious, because team can make money out of every point and even more for Manus title.. Yes, ,,buy in'' is also many times higher, but there is a chance to earn big money..

Rallying is verrry popular in the world.. just change some rules etc and make WRC great again.

In private business, such ceo's or leaders, who don't achieve their goal, wpuld be sacked very fast..

E: don't remember who said it, but some top driver hinted that this fia boss guy hasn't visited wrc event for a long time in a row (heard it in autumn)..

[Eli]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/no-room-for-both-ireland-and-gb-on-wrc-calendar/

[240RS]

Next year's Safari Rally will include an extra stage and, as a consequence, even more mileage, apparently:

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/wrc-safari-rally-kenya-tipped-for-expansion-in-2025-amid-larger-changes/10678774/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/no-room-for-both-ireland-and-gb-on-wrc-calendar/

Just getting either Rally GB or Ireland in the WRC would be fantastic for the 'British Isles' rally fans.

[deephouse]

Just getting either Rally GB or Ireland in the WRC would be fantastic for the 'British Isles' rally fans.

It should be one of those events for the final and not Japan, Saudi or whatever overocean event.

[Andre Oliveira]

Fourmaux will be annouced tomorrow as Hyundai full 2025 driver, according Autosport.pt

He will do Rallye Devoluy as test.

[AndersX]

Interesting, but expected. Somewhere in September in one of interviews he used wording "...then I will explain my decision..." which clearly in that context meant that decision would be controversial and would require some extra explanation. I doubt that his stay at M-Sport would require "explanation" . If this will happen, expect some surprises from M-Sport - Munster stays on pay-drive, some "under the radar" pay driver for part season sharing the car with some youngster who pays for some events, like Sesks, Rosell or similar - thus 2 cars guaranteed plus some extra pay-drives on regional events.

[skarderud]

Fourmaux is in Hyundai then.
Is it a good move? I'm afraid not.

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[TypeR]

A bit random announcement to me.. noy even in Hyundai clothes :D

but anyway.. good luck for him! This is(proper manus contract) what rally drivers dream of!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GeBB6LDXEAAvOe7?format=jpg&name=small

(while Neuville's continuing was made like a big show :D )

[EstWRC]

Fourmaux is in Hyundai then.
Is it a good move? I'm afraid not.

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It really depends.

If the 25 Hyundai has much wider setup window and is better to drive, if not, then good luck to him.

Also deal wise, we haven’t heard Hyundai continuing after 25, if it’s just a one year deal then also not a good decision IMO, especially if he would have a bad year

[denkimi]

Fourmaux is in Hyundai then.
Is it a good move? I'm afraid not.

Od course it's a good move. He will finally start making some real money.

[TypeR]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/m-sport-responds-to-fourmauxs-departure/


“Finally, total respect to both of them – they have made this opportunity for themselves through hard work and determination and they fully deserve this next chapter of their story.”


“Thank you to Malcolm and the whole team for all the memories we had together. This is not a goodbye, but a ‘see you next time’.”

[deephouse]

It would be funny if Sesks would take his seat now in M-Sport and straight away win an event in this season and Adrien wouldn't in Hyundai achieve that.

Money wise great deal, but driver status not so much. He also stated that he could be back in a few years. I don't know if that will be the option (since he blame everything on the car for the last few events), and especially if he will do really bad at Hyundai, which is very likely.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I hope the move works out for Fourmaux as it was an offer he couldnt refuse. But if it doesn't he will be welcome back at M-Sport any time.

It's a tough one for M-Sport but they might at least get some kick-back from the deal after developing him. If so it could help fund the next young driver.

[Rallyper]

I think we all wish Fourmaux a very good season 2025. He has made a dream come true. Let´s enjoy it together.

[AndersX]

I think we all wish Fourmaux a very good season 2025. He has made a dream come true. Let´s enjoy it together.
Exactly! He got paid. How many rally drivers in the world get paid by the factory team? Plus, i am sure that Malcolm has a kick-back rule in his contracts with new drivers - developers fee or smth. Now Malcolm must find the next prospect.

[spyros]

I'm very happy for him but alspo sad about Lappi, i hope he finds smg for next year.

[focus206]

Shame, I hoped for a strong driver at M-Sport... there are others with potential of course, but Fourmaux would have been proven fast and with one full good year already with the Puma. Good for him, though. Now he needs a consistent season at Hyundai.

[deephouse]

Shame, I hoped for a strong driver at M-Sport... there are others with potential of course, but Fourmaux would have been proven fast and with one full good year already with the Puma. Good for him, though. Now he needs a consistent season at Hyundai.

Yeah he is proven but for number 1 or 2 driver, but not for 3rd, especialy at Hyundai and their weird decisions.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yeah he is proven but for number 1 or 2 driver, but not for 3rd, especialy at Hyundai and their weird decisions.

Yep. The problem is that Fourmaux is ambitious and will want to prove himself even further but will now be tasked with just being the Hyundai full-back driver for Manufacturers points. This may not be easy for him to accept & accomplish... just look at Katsuta.

[saco0o]

if msport shows up with sesks on the 11LV car and oli on the monster car, that'd be a really good 2025

[saco0o]

https://speed.dhpplant.com/the-racing-community-has-shocking-news-fans-are-sorry-that-elfyn-evans-will-not-be-competing-in-monte-carlo-bonie/

Is this legit? Have anyone any more news about this, if it's true. Evans not competing in Monte Carlo...

yes, its because hes in UFC now
https://speed.dhpplant.com/ufc-elfyn-evans-an-amazing-journey-from-wrc-to-ufc-bonie/

[focus206]

yes, its because hes in UFC now
https://speed.dhpplant.com/ufc-elfyn-evans-an-amazing-journey-from-wrc-to-ufc-bonie/

lol saw this website few days ago. 99% of their WRC stuff is crazy clickbait about Neuville and Evans (only those 2, other drivers aren't interesting?) like "here's the obvious proof Neuville cheated to win the title" or "Evans becomes a UFC fighter" :D
I wish forum member NOT was around to call the writer "village subhuman sick dog" or something similar.

[becher]

Yep. The problem is that Fourmaux is ambitious and will want to prove himself even further but will now be tasked with just being the Hyundai full-back driver for Manufacturers points. This may not be easy for him to accept & accomplish... just look at Katsuta.
He will be the third driver on pace anyway. But of course it will take the spotlight off him and his season will probably be judged different even if he drives as well as this year because Neuville and Tänak are out of his reach.

It's always the same, strong teammates make one look worse than he is and vice versa.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

He will be the third driver on pace anyway. But of course it will take the spotlight off him and his season will probably be judged different even if he drives as well as this year because Neuville and Tänak are out of his reach.

It's always the same, strong teammates make one look worse than he is and vice versa.

It's all the other Rally1 drivers he'll be competing with and compared to. And he wont want to look slow, even though he's told by Hyundai to just finish in the points for the team.

A 3rd driver is better being an experienced guy on his way down than an ambitious youngster.

[AndersX]

It's all the other Rally1 drivers he'll be competing with and compared to. And he wont want to look slow, even though he's told by Hyundai to just finish in the points for the team.

A 3rd driver is better being an experienced guy on his way down than an ambitious youngster.

He was not a rally winner yet anyway; max 1 overnight lead after stadium in Japan - most of his podiums came on expense of mistakes of faster drivers. 1 season behind or in the mix with Tanak and Neuville will be a good learning curve - he will learn what does it take to win and then win again and again. Plus he gets paid; plus 3rd driver must finish, thus pressure will be on consistancy, not the end speed. In a sense - less pressure. As they say - you can teach a fast driver to drive consistant, but can not get slow driver to drive fast. In this level "slow" is relative, but noticable value.

[deephouse]

It's more or less the fact, if he will try to beat the god there, he will be destroyed, as many before. 🤣

[macebig]

That Hyundai team is one and done very clearly. Even if they continue after 2025, there is no way their line up can remain the same.

[EstWRC]

Here we go….

HYUNDAI TO DELAY 2025 WRC CAR DEBUT UNTIL AFTER MONTE CARLO

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/hyundai-to-delay-2025-wrc-car-debut-until-after-monte-carlo/10679678/

[Eli]

Here we go….

HYUNDAI TO DELAY 2025 WRC CAR DEBUT UNTIL AFTER MONTE CARLO

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/hyundai-to-delay-2025-wrc-car-debut-until-after-monte-carlo/10679678/

Well they did win with the current car in Monte-Carlo this year, perhaps they prefer waiting for the next events when the conditions aren't as mixed so they'll have a better understanding of what they got right and what they got wrong, just a theory of course. The only good news to come from Hyundai at this point would be them commiting (& actually keeping that promise) until 2030, but with all the uncertainty regarding the WRC moving forwards, even if up until now they would be as sturdy as a rock, I wouldn't blame them for having second thoughts about staying in the championship.

[deephouse]

I wonder what car will they use as base model if they actually decide to stay at the end.

[becher]

I wonder what car will they use as base model if they actually decide to stay at the end.

Something something Cross Over Stupid Usless Vehicle.

Or if allowed a pure prototype body?

[flat_right]

Here we go….

HYUNDAI TO DELAY 2025 WRC CAR DEBUT UNTIL AFTER MONTE CARLO

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/hyundai-to-delay-2025-wrc-car-debut-until-after-monte-carlo/10679678/

I actually think it is a good decision. They won in Monte last year + as we saw in 2024, on tarmac Hyundai is good. Monte is very specific with weather and set up, so it is better to start with one thing they know (the car).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

All the Rally1 Cars will be quite different for Monte-Carlo anyway, with the hybrid removed, new weight limit, smaller restrictor and some aero changes.

[Andre Oliveira]

FIA World Rally Championship

An evolution of the points-scoring system introduced at the start of the 2024 season has been voted for 2025 following a year of evaluation and review.

For each Championship or Cup title, points will be awarded based on the general classification of each rally using the following scale: 25 / 17 / 15 / 12 / 10 / 8 / 6 / 4 / 2 / 1 for positions 1st to 10th.

In the FIA World Rally Championships for Manufacturers, Drivers, and Co-Drivers, additional points (five for first place down to one for fifth) will be granted based on an accumulated general classification from Sunday only. This includes the section from the first time control after the overnight regroup to the final time control of the competition element, accounting for all time penalties accrued during this segment. Power Stage points (5 to 1) will also continue to be awarded, as is currently the case.

The revised format brings simplification by removing Saturday points, reduces the chances of a rally winner scoring fewer points than the second-placed competitor, and continue to enhance Sunday’s excitement and competitiveness. The "Super Sunday" format will maintain its role as a critical competition day, while the Power Stage remains a key element for broadcasters and fans alike.

On the side of promotion, media or VIP passenger rides in the third shakedown pass will now be offered on the basis of one P1 car per manufacturer in order to reduce the obligation on the teams to make all cars available, while maintaining exposure opportunities for WRC Promoter, the teams and organisers with rides available for high-value passengers.

To create new features within manufacturer teams and enhance storytelling, a competing crew performing service on the car during the competition will now be able to get physical assistance by another P1 crew entered under the same competitor license and nominated to score points

Furthermore, as part of the regulations updates implemented around the future introduction of a “command centre”, the transmission of data between a team and a competing vehicle or communication to/from the crew will be enabled if performed through WRC Promoter for non-sporting purposes, and controlled and administered by the FIA.

Regarding environmental management, the sporting regulations have been updated to include the objectives of the FIA's approved environmental strategy for the upcoming season and amended with the appropriate terminology.

[TypeR]

So it is still possibly to get more points than rally winner 25 vs 17+5+5=27.

Although 1st vs 2nd place difference went bigger by 1p. +-8p is pretty big gap..

[wwbroe]

It is better tough then last year's system

[CeskyOndra]

It sounds good to me.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So it is still possibly to get more points than rally winner 25 vs 17+5+5=27.

Although 1st vs 2nd place difference went bigger by 1p. +-8p is pretty big gap..

Surely the overall winner will place high enough in both Sunday and the PS to score more points in total.

[EstWRC]

Yesssssss! they did what I have said since the beginning of the year. Bring back the old system and keep super Sunday.

Amazing. Im satisfied

[saco0o]

better. good move.
it still bothers me P2 can outscore the winner by 2 points but eh, i dont think we are going to see that (?)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GeiRqZTWoAAhCOs?format=jpg&name=medium

[deephouse]

So it seems that teammate could help fixing the car. Wonder if they could swap some parts, if those who would be figthting for win or title could get some help from them.

[Steve Boyd]

I still don't understand why the gap from 3rd to 4th is 3 points when all of the other gaps (apart from 1st to 2nd) is 2 points. It would make more sense to me if it was 14 points for 3rd - 3 points behind 2nd & 2 points ahead of 4th like all of the lower placing gaps.

[focus206]

I still don't understand why the gap from 3rd to 4th is 3 points when all of the other gaps (apart from 1st to 2nd) is 2 points. It would make more sense to me if it was 14 points for 3rd - 3 points behind 2nd & 2 points ahead of 4th like all of the lower placing gaps.

True, it makes no sense. I've never seen that in any motorsport series that I know.

Overall, the good thing is that they got rid of the Saturday ghost classification and the main points are allocated for the actual final classification.

[Eli]

True, it makes no sense. I've never seen that in any motorsport series that I know.

Overall, the good thing is that they got rid of the Saturday ghost classification and the main points are allocated for the actual final classification.


Now all we need is a tarmac round in August 2026 and sorry that's the last time I mention this until they publish the calendar for that year.

[denkimi]

So it seems that teammate could help fixing the car. Wonder if they could swap some parts, if those who would be figthting for win or title could get some help from them.
That makes you wonder if they can enter a car, just to do service to others. Put 2 mechanics behind the wheel and pack as much parts as you can.

[saco0o]

That makes you wonder if they can enter a car, just to do service to others. Put 2 mechanics behind the wheel and pack as much parts as you can.

whaaaat? now THATS the kind of drama that would be fun to watch!! haha wait until its Portugal or Acropolis, everybody crashed out and the mechanic's car is in P2 to see if they are stopping to fix the other cars haha

[deephouse]

That makes you wonder if they can enter a car, just to do service to others. Put 2 mechanics behind the wheel and pack as much parts as you can.

I think they have only 3 drivers available for that, those who are scoring points for manufacturers title. Yeah but it would be cool.

[Backa]

I still don't understand why the gap from 3rd to 4th is 3 points when all of the other gaps (apart from 1st to 2nd) is 2 points. It would make more sense to me if it was 14 points for 3rd - 3 points behind 2nd & 2 points ahead of 4th like all of the lower placing gaps.

Standard 25-18-15-12-etc. makes 3 points gap starting from podium positions so it was sensible as there was gap upgrade starting for podium positions and additional gap upgrade for winner. Maybe they just changed 18 to 17 to reduce chances for winner not getting maximum points but if that is the case, they half-assed it. Evans would still beat winner Lappi in points in Sweden if 2025 system would be used in 2024.

Would prefer simple 6-5-4-3-2-1 for super sunday without power stage points. More simple and I am sure in vast majority of rallies there will be enough close battles on last stage to avoid borefest.

[CeskyOndra]

Honestly I don't care about a difference between 18 and 17. I'm just glad for a good points system.

The fact is, that crashing out with this system will be costly.

[deephouse]

Then Tanak, Ogier and Rovanpera shouldn't do it.

[saco0o]

i'd go with 10-6-4-3-2-1
easier to calculate, more difficult to open huge margins.

[denkimi]

I think they have only 3 drivers available for that, those who are scoring points for manufacturers title. Yeah but it would be cool.
"under the same competitor license and nominated to score points"

I don't know if someone would enter 2 teams, if they, would be under the same competitor license.

But they could also share spare parts amongst the cars, instead of having everyone carry everything.

[denkimi]

Standard 25-18-15-12-etc. makes 3 points gap starting from podium positions so it was sensible as there was gap upgrade starting for podium positions and additional gap upgrade for winner. Maybe they just changed 18 to 17 to reduce chances for winner not getting maximum points but if that is the case, they half-assed it. Evans would still beat winner Lappi in points in Sweden if 2025 system would be used in 2024.

Would prefer simple 6-5-4-3-2-1 for super sunday without power stage points. More simple and I am sure in vast majority of rallies there will be enough close battles on last stage to avoid borefest.
5 points for sunday and 3 for the powerstage. It never made sense to have one stage with that much impact, especially now with the super sunday concept.

[deephouse]

"under the same competitor license and nominated to score points"

I don't know if someone would enter 2 teams, if they, would be under the same competitor license.

But they could also share spare parts amongst the cars, instead of having everyone carry everything.

RallyJournal posted that sharing parts will not be allowed. It's just for purpose of story telling.

But they will need to do it right. In the way like More than machine series. So that those "videos" will not be lost somewhere in floods of other articles.

[deephouse]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/would-the-updated-points-system-have-changed-2024/ DirtFish already shows in practice how would 2025 point system work in this season. If anyone having any doubts and are against it.

[denkimi]

RallyJournal posted that sharing parts will not be allowed. It's just for purpose of story telling.

But they will need to do it right. In the way like More than machine series. So that those "videos" will not be lost somewhere in floods of other articles.
If sharing parts is not allowed, then what are they supposed to help each other with? Holding a flashlight?

[deephouse]

Haha probably. I assume some drivers or co-drivers can share some expertise than others, and could bring valuable lessons or help fixing the car for youngsters. I think that they are aiming at that, when Ogier will assist Pajari, or Tanak to Fourmaux (or vice versa) that the true sportsman spirit will be shown. Maybe we could see some friendly help even between rivals as Neuville helping Ogier, or Rovanpera helping Munster.

[Steve Boyd]

Haha probably. I assume some drivers or co-drivers can share some expertise than others, and could bring valuable lessons or help fixing the car for youngsters. I think that they are aiming at that, when Ogier will assist Pajari, or Tanak to Fourmaux (or vice versa) that the true sportsman spirit will be shown. Maybe we could see some friendly help even between rivals as Neuville helping Ogier, or Rovanpera helping Munster.Sounds like Evans will be busy helping everyone else - I think he's the best mechanic amongst the current drivers.

[Co-driven]

Maybe we could see some friendly help even between rivals as Neuville helping Ogier, or Rovanpera helping Munster.

I think this can't happen as the drivers must be entered under the same competitor.

[denkimi]

They can already help each other, as long as they don't touch each others car, tools or spare parts.

[Andre Oliveira]

MUNSTER AND LOUKA TO SPEARHEAD M-SPORT'S WRC CAMPAIGN IN 2025

M-Sport Ford World Rally Team is excited to confirm that Grégoire Munster and Louis Louka will continue with the team and the Ford Puma Rally1 for the full 2025 FIA World Rally Championship season.

Now heading up the team after a valuable year of experience in the championship’s top tier, Munster and Louka will look to make further achievements across 14 rounds of the 2025 season, which spans four continents and three different surface types.

Munster, who will be 26 years old on Christmas Eve, has exemplified the value of the progression opportunities available within the sport, graduating from Belgian national championships into WRC2 in 2022, before making his Rally1 debuts at the end of 2023 and his first full season in the top flight during 2024.

The Luxembourg and Belgian pairing delivered strong performances throughout 2024, building pace in their Puma Rally1 as the season progressed and their confidence grew. They would claim a career-best result on Rally Sardegna, finishing fifth overall after a tough battle in demanding conditions.

They would go on to finish fifth on two subsequent Tarmac events in Central Europe and Japan, adding a handful of top-five and top-three fastest stage times to their career rosters.

Munster’s resilience is testament to his abilities as a driver in the top level of the championship. Despite encountering challenges early in the season on unfamiliar events and surfaces, Munster has since made steady progression throughout his first full season in a Rally1 car.

Now with another full season in the top-flight category ahead of them, Munster and Louka's target will be a maiden podium finish in 2025. Determined to leverage their growing experience with the Ford Puma Rally1, the crew has already gained valuable insight into car setup, pace notes, and performance optimization, which they will carry forward as the championship transitions to new non-hybrid regulations in 2025.

Heading into 2025, Munster and Louka will lead M-Sport’s line-up alongside another promising junior crew, set to be announced tomorrow.

With Rallye Monte-Carlo already on the horizon, the team at M-Sport are preparing for a busy season and look forward to supporting Munster and Louka to achieve more strong results in the upcoming season.

Richard Millener, M-Sport Ford World Rally Team Principial, said:
“I have really enjoyed working with Grégoire and Louis this year, so to have them back again in 2025 is a big positive for me. They made some great progress over the course of their debut year, and although we must remain realistic with the goals and expectations for them in 2025, it is a great opportunity for them both. I am very happy to be working with them again for another full season and I believe they thoroughly deserve this opportunity.”

Grégoire Munster said:
“I’m really looking forward to next year and to have the opportunity to drive the Puma again, especially in the good team structure and atmosphere at M-Sport. I’m happy to be continuing with Louis as well, with the aim to continue our progress in the top category, and improving from where we finished in 2024.

“Of course, that means aiming to break a top five finish with fourth overall, and hopefully eventually some podium places too. I’m excited to see what we can do.”

Louis Louka said:
“I’m very happy to be back in the team for another year in 2025! I hope we will use the experience we got last year well to improve this year: that’s always the goal, to improve rally after rally and to continue like that for this upcoming season. It’s a real privilege to be one of the crews competing in the full championship, especially with a team like M-Sport with so much experience. For young crews like us it’s important to benefit from the experience that M-Sport has, so we can improve and keep learning. I’m really thankful to M-Sport and to Greg for trusting me to take on this adventure again! I’m really looking forward to Monte-Carlo and to take on this new season.”


https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-post/munster-and-louka-to-spearhead-m-sport-s-wrc-campaign-in-2025

[mousti]

According to someone from Autohebdo who posted a entry list for Monte Carlo. Sesks second driver for MSport and Gryazin back with Toksport Skoda.

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[Andre Oliveira]

Same guy that says the next M-Sport driver to be announced is british…

[deephouse]

Same guy that says the next M-Sport driver to be announced is british…

Ingram, McRae

[Destra quattro]

Same guy that says the next M-Sport driver to be announced is british…
Irish ...some can't tell the difference...

[Andre Oliveira]

M-SPORT AND MCERLEAN JOIN FORCES FOR RALLY1 CAMPAIGN IN 2025

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/89553f_16983d902d294ecf85794ae79156d31a~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_740,h_493,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/89553f_16983d902d294ecf85794ae79156d31a~mv2.jpg

M-Sport Ford World Rally Team is excited to announce that Josh McErlean and Eoin Treacy will join its ranks for the 2025 FIA World Rally Championship behind the wheel of a Ford Puma Rally1.

The Irish pairing will make their debut together in the sport’s top-flight after successful seasons across the WRC2 and ERC championships. Supported by the Motorsport Ireland Rally Academy, McErlean and Treacy will compete in the full season, tackling 14 rallies across four continents and three different surfaces.

McErlean, whose career began by claiming the Junior 1000 Rally Challenge title in 2015, has been building strong and steady foundations for his Rally1 debut over the last decade. After gaining early experience in Ford machinery with a Fiesta R2T in the British Rally Championship in 2017 and 2018, McErlean went on to claim the Great Britain Junior title in 2019, along with the Motorsport Ireland Billy Coleman Award as young Irish rally driver of the year. He also made his WRC debut on Wales Rally GB later that year.

Gaining more seat time in an R5 car in the WRC and European Rally Championships throughout 2020 and 2021, McErlean secured an impressive third in the WRC3 category on Rally Catalunya in late 2021.

Moving up into WRC2 in 2022, McErlean achieved three top-five finishes in the WRC2 Junior category and banked valuable experience at key European events in Portugal, Sardinia, Estonia, and Finland.

A busy season would follow in 2023 as McErlean took on five ERC events alongside a demanding WRC2 campaign. His achievements would include an impressive fourth overall on ERC’s Rally Latvia and several other top-ten finishes in both highly competitive championships throughout the year.

Thanks to the continued support from the MI Rally Academy, with the backing of John Coyne, the now 25-year-old has enjoyed a rapid rise throughout an impressive season in 2024 alongside James Fulton, claiming a stunning WRC2 second-place finish on his category debut in Portugal early in the season.

The Academy’s support has been vital to McErlean’s progression over the last five years and formed a crucial part of this new partnership with M-Sport.

McErlean will now partner up with co-driver Eoin Treacy, who has worked with the M-Sport team alongside Jon Armstrong in the ERC throughout 2024. Treacy has taken part in an Academy co-driver development programme over the last three years to prepare him for this next chapter with McErlean. With solid experience in the British Rally Championship and select WRC events, Treacy makes the perfect fit to partner McErlean as both make their top-level WRC debuts in 2025.

The Irish duo join M-Sport’s full-time line-up for the 2025 season alongside Grégoire Munster and Louis Louka. M-Sport is eager to welcome McErlean, Treacy, and the MI Rally Academy team to its Rally1 ranks as they embark on this new chapter together in 2025.

Richard Millener, M-Sport Ford World Rally Team Principal, said:

“M-Sport is renowned for giving opportunities to up and coming talents in the sport. With the backing of the Motorsport Ireland Rally Academy, that is exactly what we will be doing for Josh and Eoin. 2025 will be a huge challenge for them both, but a once in a lifetime chance to show the world that they have what it takes to forge a career at the pinnacle of the sport.

“We need to continue to invest in new and emerging talent in the WRC, I am proud to be able to give another two guys the chance to do this. The targets and expectations for the year will be very sensible, but I know that the team and all the Irish fans will be behind the pairing and this opportunity for them.

“I am really looking forward to working with them, and the Motorsport Ireland Rally Academy, to make this a positive season for us all.”

John Coyne, founder and patron of the Motorsport Ireland Rally Academy, said:

“The Academy’s purpose is to identify and develop young Irish athletes to compete successfully at the highest levels of the World Rally Championship. As key members of our Academy development programme, Josh and Eoin have made tremendous progress in applying their natural talents and developing their skills. I’m looking forward to continuing to guide and support their progress over the coming years at the top level of the sport.”

Josh McErlean said:

“Joining M-Sport Ford next year to drive the Puma Rally1 in the World Rally Championship is truly a dream come true. I’ve always aspired to compete at the highest level of motorsport, and now that opportunity is becoming a reality. I’m incredibly excited to be working with such a professional and dedicated team, and Eoin and I are ready to give it everything.

“This is a massive step in my career, and I want to express my sincere gratitude to everyone involved— Motorsport Ireland Rally Academy, John Coyne, supporters, family, and the team—for making this possible. I can’t wait to get behind the wheel.”

Eoin Treacy said:

“I’m really looking forward to 2025 with Josh, M-Sport, and the Motorsport Ireland Rally Academy. It’s a dream come true to start a season at the top level of the sport. Working with M-Sport in 2024 ERC alongside Jon Armstrong was a huge learning experience for me and I look forward to continuing to develop through 2025.

“I’d like to thank John Coyne, Josh, M-Sport, the Motorsport Ireland Rally Academy for their support.”

https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-post/m-sport-and-mcerlean-join-forces-for-rally1-campaign-in-2025

[Typ85]

money, money, money... shit team!!!

[Andre Oliveira]

Better have only Hyundai vs Toyota then?

[Typ85]

No difference.. anyway they will fight with r5 cars.. i really hope i'm wrong..

[deephouse]

Don't know which news is the bigger. Munster and McErlean to drive for M-Sport or Perez dropped (with newly signed 2-year deal) and replaced by Lawson (over crying Yuki).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loriaux is gone from Hyundai !!

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyundai-wrc-program-manager-loriaux-departs-team/

[TypeR]

No need for a new car..? 2 more years and bye Hyundai?

Anyway, it sounds bad for Hyundai..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

He said that 2027 was too soon to get a new car ready.

[Backa]

2 more years and bye Hyundai?

Good to have our monthly "is Hyundai quitting?" comment quotas filled. Hyundai seems to quite often be overdramatic hoping to influence decision makers to make things more convenient for them. I read "it's impossible for 2027" as "we would prefer 2028".

[EstWRC]

Toyota with the same livery

https://x.com/tgr_wrc/status/1878381413185073162?s=46&t=AWria8OgC1kV5QC61vX5Xg

[ictus]

Interns again responsible for marketing??
Worst livery in the history of the WRC.

[rallyfiend]

Interns again responsible for marketing??
Worst livery in the history of the WRC.

I think it looks poor on all their cars across all series. Pity they seem to be following the 'company line' everywhere.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

All eyes on the M-Sport Puma then, as usual.

After having purple, then blue and last year white, what's next ? Also, will it still be Red Bull ?

[TypeR]

Must have taken tens of hours of hard work and tons of money to match that Hankook sticker perfectly on black background...

[macebig]

Think M-Sport will use similar colours to the Dakar Raptor this year.

[Negaiss]

Mārtiņš Sesks rally program and plans for 2025 will be revieled on January 14.

[Tauri_J]

I guess 4 gravel events in Europe + Sweden

[Negaiss]

Sesks press conference, live, starting now. In latvian language - - - https://www.facebook.com/watch/live?ref=watch_permalink&v=616312140888271

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhPRtbOWMAAcT4a?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhPRhJEXMAAsueV?format=jpg&name=large

Confirmed.

[Negaiss]

Sesks also said, that Saudi Arabia is highly likely for him, but contract is not set. An he also said, that plan is to try to be good this season and aim for full season contract for 2026.

He also mentioned, that they are thinking also about Canarias rally and maybe will try do something to be able to do Canarias Also.

[WRC1]

Toyota with the same livery

https://x.com/tgr_wrc/status/1878381413185073162?s=46&t=AWria8OgC1kV5QC61vX5Xg

i would not call this a livery....this is a black car with stickers on it....shame for a manufactor entry...it is just ugly

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great news to have Sesks back for 6 WRC Rounds. Hats off to all who have contributed from M-Sport, Safety Culture and all his Latvian sponsors.

[Andre Oliveira]

Indonesia in WRC?


Raffi Ahmad

raffinagita1717 Today I attended a meeting regarding the plan to hold the World Rally Championship (WRC) in North Sumatra. This meeting was attended by the Minister of @kemenpora Mas @ditoariotedjo, the General Chairperson of @imi_id Mr. @bambang.soesatyo, the President Director of @injourney lbu@mayawatono, @musa_rajekshah, and representatives from @officialwrc
On that occasion, an MoU was also signed between the WRC, the Indonesian Motor Association (IMI), and the Sports Fund and Business Management Institute (LPDUK). This collaboration aims to make the WRC a success as one of the largest automotive sports events in the world.
An international event such as the WRC will have a significant positive impact, including as a medium for promoting tourism, driving the economy, and a great opportunity for the younger generation. The involvement of young people in various sectors, such as event management, technology, and innovation in the automotive world, will open up space for creativity and provide valuable experience for them to compete at the global level.
The government will continue to support the implementation of international scale events so that Indonesia can become a main destination for various world activities, while also improving people's welfare through empowering the younger generation.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhUrToBXQAAAzcA?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

Pic by IMI

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhUw8SxWkAAyphG?format=jpg&name=large

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Will we see the same Neuville now he’s world champion ?

From hunter to the hunted, will Thierry's approach change in 2025 ?

DirtFish spoke to him to find out...

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/will-we-see-the-same-neuville-now-hes-world-champion/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No-one with any comments on this ?

Well I think Neuville will feel under pressure despite now being a World Champion. This is due to the Rovanpera returning. If Kalle wins the Title again it may make fans feel like Neuville's win was because Kalle wasnt there full-time in 2024. Neuville will really want to win it again to prove he is truly worthy.

[AE1WRC]

I feel exactly the same way. Neuville so far has failed to challenge Kalle properly. Let's see if he can defend his title. Defending is more difficult than winning for the first time. Only 6 drivers in the history have done this.

With Rovanpera returning, Thierry for sure will not feel the same excitement that he had when he was fighting against Evans or Tanak last year. In contrast, it will be more stressful for him to be the hunted because Kalle is coming for him.

If somehow Thierry defends, I will put him ahead of Kalle in my all time ranking.

[Krigen]

My prediction is Kalle will crash a lot this year, starting in MC then another one in Sweden .. rom there we will see

[focus206]

I don't think Neuville will feel more pressure this year, I think in 2024 it was the biggest pressure for him, it was "now or never". He achieved his goal of being world champion, anything that comes after is a plus. I think he might enjoy it more and I doubt he'll think "if I don't beat Kalle, people will think I'm not a worthy champion", Neuville already had to beat former world champions to get the 2024 title. I don't know how enjoying it more will translate to results though.

If Kalle won't make many mistakes, he should become a 3 times champion in my opinion. But I see it being more fought than in 2022 and 2023, with Hyundai not being a garbage can on wheels, Neuville and Tanak should be able to put up a fight.

[EstWRC]

Interesting comment from Fourmaux

Fourmaux believes the i20 N is easier to drive now that hybrid power has been removed from the car as per the new 2025 technical regulations.
“We have lost a lot of weight so the handling of the car is easier and nicer [to] drive, but we have lost some power for sure, and drivers always want more power,” he added.

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/fourmaux-already-feeling-quite-comfortable-in-hyundai-wrc-car/10689240/

[AE1WRC]

I don't think Neuville will feel more pressure this year, I think in 2024 it was the biggest pressure for him, it was "now or never". He achieved his goal of being world champion, anything that comes after is a plus. I think he might enjoy it more and I doubt he'll think "if I don't beat Kalle, people will think I'm not a worthy champion", Neuville already had to beat former world champions to get the 2024 title. I don't know how enjoying it more will translate to results though.

If Kalle won't make many mistakes, he should become a 3 times champion in my opinion. But I see it being more fought than in 2022 and 2023, with Hyundai not being a garbage can on wheels, Neuville and Tanak should be able to put up a fight.

That is right. I hope we see a good title fight. If we see another domination (not talking about a particular driver) it would be very boring. We want head to head battles like Loeb vs Gronholm in 2007 for example.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tactical advantage to Toyota already according to Neuville...

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/is-toyota-already-tactically-ahead-of-hyundai/

[deephouse]

I believe that the battle for Manufacturer title will be over much sooner than previous season. Since Hyundai seems doesn't care at all. We just waiting what Lappi will bring to the table (he teases new co-driver on FB and it's assumed it's Malkonen). If he will announce driving rally1 car, then it's still hope it's Hyundai, if not it's a done deal, they will not field no more than 3 cars. Because I personaly don't think that even sharing that 4th car between many drivers will not give them any advantage at all, because lacking seat time.

[Rallyper]

I believe that the battle for Manufacturer title will be over much sooner than previous season. Since Hyundai seems doesn't care at all. We just waiting what Lappi will bring to the table (he teases new co-driver on FB and it's assumed it's Malkonen). If he will announce driving rally1 car, then it's still hope it's Hyundai, if not it's a done deal, they will not field no more than 3 cars. Because I personaly don't think that even sharing that 4th car between many drivers will not give them any advantage at all, because lacking seat time.

What I heard it´s Mälkönen...
Lappi, soon on your radars.

[Andre Oliveira]

Lappi

“Hi, we will participate in the Arctic Lapland Rally with Enni Mälkönen, and will drive Finnish Rally Championship by Skoda Fabia. More later on.”

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No-one with any comments on this ?

Well I think Neuville will feel under pressure despite now being a World Champion. This is due to the Rovanpera returning. If Kalle wins the Title again it may make fans feel like Neuville's win was because Kalle wasnt there full-time in 2024. Neuville will really want to win it again to prove he is truly worthy.

Neuville: 'Once you taste the WRC title, you want more...'

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/neuville-once-you-taste-the-wrc-title-you-want-more/10690067/

[TypeR]

Rovanpera is having a very proper preparations for this season.. at first a rally before Monte and now going to Arcric rally before Sweden.

[archie106]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frGo0QMiZaQ

Interview with Elfyn saying that the Hankook tyres are strong, with very few punctures seen in testing.

Hopefully that is the case over the season!

[denkimi]

Rovanpera is having a very proper preparations for this season.. at first a rally before Monte and now going to Arcric rally before Sweden.
I don't understand why most other drivers don't do this. If you are serious about winning you need km's in the car.

[meh]

I don't understand why most other drivers don't do this. If you are serious about winning you need km's in the car.

Are those drivers who decide this?

[PLuto]

I don't understand why most other drivers don't do this. If you are serious about winning you need km's in the car.

It is strange that only Rovanpera has this mileage. Not only testing, but also rallies. Then only Fourmaux had Devoluy, but others (including other Toyota drivers) has only tests...

[denkimi]

Are those drivers who decide this?
I assume if neuville, tanak or ogier say they want to do some local rally to prepare, the teambosses are not going to say no.

[EstWRC]

TANAK: 2025 RALLY1 CARS ARE HOW A "RALLY CAR SHOULD BE"

"Driving-wise I like it, it is like a rally car should be. The car is lighter which is great as in motorsport, weight is everything and if it is lighter the car is more playful, which is positive.

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/tanak-2025-rally1-cars-are-how-a-rally-car-should-be/10690412/

[TypeR]

TANAK: 2025 RALLY1 CARS ARE HOW A "RALLY CAR SHOULD BE"

"Driving-wise I like it, it is like a rally car should be. The car is lighter which is great as in motorsport, weight is everything and if it is lighter the car is more playful, which is positive.

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/tanak-2025-rally1-cars-are-how-a-rally-car-should-be/10690412/
Sounds promising from his side!

[Backa]

I assume if neuville, tanak or ogier say they want to do some local rally to prepare, the teambosses are not going to say no.

Neuville was complaining last year about not participating in Rally Lietuva before Latvia so I think costs are part of issue.

And if I would be team boss and Ogier asked me of tests, I would simply told him to do more official rounds.

[EstWRC]

Sounds promising from his side!

Totally. I got now pretty hyped for the new season which I didn’t care much for

I have really liked the videos where he is testing the “new” machine which they launch from Sweden.

Time will tell if another miserable year or finally a good one after 2019.

[CeskyOndra]

Tanak looks good, especially if his tarmac form from Japan and CER can continue.

The big question is the tires IMO. Who will adapt the fastest.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I don't understand why most other drivers don't do this. If you are serious about winning you need km's in the car.

Costs are a possibility but Kalle is also out of the car longer and needs practice more than the others.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

TANAK: 2025 RALLY1 CARS ARE HOW A "RALLY CAR SHOULD BE"

"Driving-wise I like it, it is like a rally car should be. The car is lighter which is great as in motorsport, weight is everything and if it is lighter the car is more playful, which is positive.

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/tanak-2025-rally1-cars-are-how-a-rally-car-should-be/10690412/

And McErlean said theyre like a big Rally2 car.

I can see them being more fun to drive, less complex and a bit easier.

Go Ott !!

[TypeR]

Let's hope, that Hankook will provide faster and better information about drivers' tyre choices for legs/days.

[EstWRC]

Let's hope, that Hankook will provide faster and better information about drivers' tyre choices for legs/days.

My guess is we will see the info right away now with the live command center. At least I hope so

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/what-we-know-about-wrcs-command-center/

https://x.com/llluis555/status/1874835093988208933?s=46&t=AWria8OgC1kV5QC61vX5Xg

[Rallyest]

Neuville was complaining last year about not participating in Rally Lietuva before Latvia so I think costs are part of issue.

And if I would be team boss and Ogier asked me of tests, I would simply told him to do more official rounds.

Neuville didnt get to participate in Rally Lietuva because Tänak crashed the test car big time in Estonia if i remember correctly. So that was not about asking and not getting from team side.

[Steve Boyd]

My guess is we will see the info right away now with the live command center. At least I hope so

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/what-we-know-about-wrcs-command-center/

https://x.com/llluis555/status/1874835093988208933?s=46&t=AWria8OgC1kV5QC61vX5XgThe Dirtfish article states

"Rally México. Friday morning, Ott Tänak driving for M-Sport. Everyone’s really excited.

“First stage of the morning, he has a problem on the stage. M-Sport themselves don’t know what was wrong with the car. We don’t know what’s wrong with the car. M-Sport didn’t have radio. There was no phone service, so nothing could be found out what was wrong."
If there's no phone service how is the
"smart antenna, supplied by Marelli, will be fitted to each car, transmitting data back to base via an LTE (4G) connection"going to work?

[denkimi]

Neuville didnt get to participate in Rally Lietuva because Tänak crashed the test car big time in Estonia if i remember correctly. So that was not about asking and not getting from team side.
which is also weird for a factory team with their budget. They should have a few finished cars just waiting in the factory.

The hyundai team is being run like they're on an M-sport budget.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ive heard Neuville say a few times recently about the importance of points for the Team this year. They are probably making the Manus title the priority after last year and to leave WRC as Champions.

EDIT: Seems confirmed by Abiteboul...

'...this year we have some different goals to work towards,” Abiteboul hinted, referring to a manufacturers’ title push.

“While all our crews have their own individual goals, as a team we will be working to bring home as many points as possible for our manufacturers’ efforts"

[TWRC]

which is also weird for a factory team with their budget. They should have a few finished cars just waiting in the factory.

The hyundai team is being run like they're on an M-sport budget.
In an ideal world, yes, the could have 1-2-3 spare cars ready to go if anything is wrong, but in the last couple of years, that was not the trend, quite the contrary. Maybe they allocated this "extra" budget (the set of parts in the cars, their rebuild, storeage etc) to development, or simply didn't do anything with it, but having it just sit there might not be the best way to use that money.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

They also dont have any spare customer cars around to use, unlike MSport & Toyota.

[becher]

Yes because if you don't plan to use a car to rent out or have a clear plan and allocated budget for a additional entry you don't build up a extra car you don't need just for a what if.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Strange story about Toyota looking to replace Evans..

https://speed.dhpplant.com/toyota-no-longer-trusts-elfyn-evans-they-are-looking-for-a-new-star-bonie/?utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1ahw1tQ_gpttMySTPO3fclz NlsMHV4OHH1W4lMxKYU0NRicKlEhCon9DM_aem_28ZPeP97yk3 ByOULAu5hEA

[focus206]

Strange story about Toyota looking to replace Evans..

https://speed.dhpplant.com/toyota-no-longer-trusts-elfyn-evans-they-are-looking-for-a-new-star-bonie/?utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1ahw1tQ_gpttMySTPO3fclz NlsMHV4OHH1W4lMxKYU0NRicKlEhCon9DM_aem_28ZPeP97yk3 ByOULAu5hEA

I've been noticing an increasing amount of articles and websites writing random sh!t on WRC drivers for clickbait. "Loeb goes back to M-Sport with a part time program!" and then there is a picture of Loeb and a picture of a Fiesta WRC, not even a Puma.
I think Toyota is absolutely fine with having Evans.

[deephouse]

Where would he go? Hyundai is almost out and also M-Sport's future is uncertain. Also there aren't any new interest since they introduce new rules.

There is even more strange rumour circling around, not here in WRC but in different series... But it heavily touches our world. Rovanpera pursuing F1 career after this season. I guess he could try it. He is still very young, probably isn't motivated so much in rallying anymore and also Toyota have ties to formula now.

Right after they release those new regulations, I kinda got some hope, the World Championship will be saved. But since then we got nothing but negative news (if we can call it news at all). So the dark cloud over championship got even darker, sadly. But at the end, maybe we will have multiple teams. Toyota GR WRT, Toyota GR WRT2, GR Toyota WRT, Printsport Toyota WRT, Toyota NGR WRT...

[Walach]

Strange story about Toyota looking to replace Evans..

https://speed.dhpplant.com/toyota-no-longer-trusts-elfyn-evans-they-are-looking-for-a-new-star-bonie/?utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1ahw1tQ_gpttMySTPO3fclz NlsMHV4OHH1W4lMxKYU0NRicKlEhCon9DM_aem_28ZPeP97yk3 ByOULAu5hEA

This whole website is nothing but AI generated texts, as you can check. https://www.scribbr.com/ai-detector/

[Morte66]

This whole website is nothing but AI generated texts, as you can check. https://www.scribbr.com/ai-detector/

Perhaps it reads this site and picked up the silly rumours about Evans to M-Sport last year, and now it's turned them into clickbait, which is in turn repeated here, and it goes on forever...

[saco0o]

no idea if this is true but lance stroll was testing some rally car in portugal? i've been kinda off the internet so eh, no idea
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1iks8e1/stroll_rally_testing_in_north_portugal_today/

[PLuto]

no idea if this is true but lance stroll was testing some rally car in portugal? i've been kinda off the internet so eh, no idea
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1iks8e1/stroll_rally_testing_in_north_portugal_today/

Yes, he was testing the car. Everywhere on internet are articles/pictures/videos (for example here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egge2UXb1yw)). But nothing extra special, driving for fun...

[tbazsi95]

Somebody is selling Tanak's lost rear part from Monte

2614
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0G2nh6AUynj5UwG6mKVK 4L83Xwat5VnmGY11igJeHmjLEHkZfPFcwNht8vN3NULqPl&id=61562468686906

[deephouse]

He should return it to Hyundai Motorsport, since they are really struggling with budget and so on.

[becher]

Somebody is selling Tanak's lost rear part from Monte

2614
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0G2nh6AUynj5UwG6mKVK 4L83Xwat5VnmGY11igJeHmjLEHkZfPFcwNht8vN3NULqPl&id=61562468686906

That cheap, I'd guess you keep that in a basement for a few years and the value would rise considerably.

[tbazsi95]

Some software developer collected data from Monte and try to make better telemetry than rally.tv
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/open-sourcing-rally-performance-data-william-bowler-6fz5c/?trackingId=ZG4LNuMsPISsFH%2FXsup75w%3D%3D

[deephouse]

Not exactly WRC related, but Sordo to take over "Meeke's" Hyundai Portugal programme. He will drive i20 Rally2 car there.

[BobJones]

Not exactly WRC related, but Sordo to take over "Meeke's" Hyundai Portugal programme. He will drive i20 Rally2 car there.

All 'third' 2024 drivers at Hyundai now out of the picture, seemingly, for Rally1 WRC 2024 - I reckon this really is now confirmation of no fourth Rally1 i20.

[macebig]

Hasn't it been confirmed that Sordo is doing Islas Canarias at the very least?

[deephouse]

Hasn't it been confirmed that Sordo is doing Islas Canarias at the very least?

Higely unlikely, they never were really keen to run more than 3 cars, it was just their big mouths. We will see, if Adrien will actualy score big points everywhere, then they got it right. But at the end if Hyundai will lose manufacturer title, it will be their fault again not to run additional cars.

[COD]

Hasn't it been confirmed that Sordo is doing Islas Canarias at the very least?

PR-wise that would be smart, Hyundai would get more media in Spain for sure. Maybe also run Lappi in Fnland?

[Jarek Z]

Dani Sordo confirmed as Hyundai Portugal driver:


Sordo and Carrera confirmed

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gjvj3jMXIAA4npR?format=jpg&name=large

[Jarek Z]

Hayden Paddon goes to Australia:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/why-paddons-new-plan-is-so-important/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIeoLFleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHfMt6SXKICHG 7pgy5BSLN_FpUHVY9V9lI0uNVg4QfzdOTDe37aWWqa-Sag_aem_h6qm_8RBnxycee3Z7jInsg

[240RS]

Just a few reflections from the weekend.

After Sweden, and with Toyota's traditionally strongest event next - Safari Rally - you have to hope there will be a big upset in Kenya. Otherwise the season may be lost before the summer.

Two consecutive 1-2 Toyota results, and confirmation that Hyundai will not field their new car in Kenya, doesn't inspire confidence. Tanak and Neuville are undoubted A-listers, while Fourmaux is proving he has stepped up. If that trio can't keep up, 2025 will be tough to watch.

Beauty about Rallying, though, is one tweak and a host of gravel events to follow may tilt that before the late asphalt rounds later on. I certainly do hope there will be a twist. . .

[BobJones]

Hasn't it been confirmed that Sordo is doing Islas Canarias at the very least?

Nope. Not saying it won't happen, but it hasn't been confirmed.

[Eli]

Just a few reflections from the weekend.

After Sweden, and with Toyota's traditionally strongest event next - Safari Rally - you have to hope there will be a big upset in Kenya. Otherwise the season may be lost before the summer.

Two consecutive 1-2 Toyota results, and confirmation that Hyundai will not field their new car in Kenya, doesn't inspire confidence. Tanak and Neuville are undoubted A-listers, while Fourmaux is proving he has stepped up. If that trio can't keep up, 2025 will be tough to watch.

Beauty about Rallying, though, is one tweak and a host of gravel events to follow may tilt that before the late asphalt rounds later on. I certainly do hope there will be a twist. . .
Just imagine if the calendar was like the one proposed in 2020 (before Chile went off & Covid interrupted) but with a spring Tarmac event like the year before, then perhaps the outcome would be different. However since that’s not the case I sincerely hope that whatever failures Safari will bring upon Hyundai (let’s face it, they’re not the ones who’ll finish with a 1-2 over there although I’ll gladly eat my hat if proven wrong) they’ll bounce back afterwards.

[CeskyOndra]

I'm worried guys that Toyota will lead by almost 80 points after Safari, which is just impossible to catch.. Kenya is crucial for Hyundai, they can't do a disaster rally like in every other years.. Then Canarias, where I think that Evans and Ogier will be strong..

[Backa]

I'm worried guys that Toyota will lead by almost 80 points after Safari, which is just impossible to catch.. Kenya is crucial for Hyundai, they can't do a disaster rally like in every other years.. Then Canarias, where I think that Evans and Ogier will be strong..

For now it's 48 points lead and 12 rounds to go. Last year Toyota score 44 points in Kenya and Hyundai only 4 point less. Toyota started good but come on, it's february.

[EstWRC]

Exactly, it’s only February and just two rounds so far.

The Sweden result could have been different if Tänak not having the issues on Saturday and he would have won or Thierry had and there wouldn’t be this talk at all here.

I’m not sure Canarias suiting only Evans and Ogier. Thierry is always good on tarmac and Tänak was very good on two last pure tarmac events last year.

Anyway, too soon to make all the conclusions at the moment.

[Jarek Z]

Current situation in the championship:
https://www.facebook.com/RallyTroll/posts/pfbid02DTB26QMV3mAvmLZppZMmmPKyc2y3TCrEUgWjJNhxbTe k6XvMQBzaLXmzmR7LP6Hyl?__cft__[0]=AZWdoqBQwoY2qzrr8Z59l9bihM51o3pG9RCeRmC-ffS332N1_SX_I6n5UpbcydjnTvVynTeSgJknKnnj26abgdPsRx QV8gUb4qLFDp33Y7qNITixRb3PZ_ZYdSpnPBBuTELQ-e3NGNpYYqFW3xTFQ_SdjQQevHpcpg4nDk2o0wFpRdHfVo8B6-96xAbQS9fKEGk&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R

[Steve Boyd]

And Seb is sitting at home thinking "I'm second after two rounds and I've missed one. I can win this championship. I wonder which extra rounds I should do"

[mknight]

Note that Hyundai is taking a beating in both championships even though Rovanpera is completely out of form.

In coming rounds Rovanpera likely goes back to charging for wins + Ogier with starting position advantage + Pajari with starting position advantage and taking points.

What does Hyundai have coming to counter that? New car already arrived, no big change. 4th car not coming. Fourmaux even without crashing is not scoring much more points than the 3rd drivers last year. Sure he might, but still that should be the only counter?

[Eli]

The only way for Hyundai to win is bring in the might of VW into the series…oh wait, never mind. On a more serious note, I hope they pick themselves up together after Kenya, as it’s still a long way to go and we still have 3 new events and we have yet to see the best of their 3 drivers.

[rallyfiend]

Christ - we're 2 events in to a 14-event season and people are deciding the championship.....

[Franky]

Christ - we're 2 events in to a 14-event season and people are deciding the championship.....

You don't polish your Crystal Ball on a regular basis?

[TypeR]

Also 2 rallies in and two technical issues with cars..

[AndersX]

Well, I think nobody really believs to Hyundai any more. Obviously, they built their operations and rally program on cracking/floating foundament. There is a reason why in 12 or so years they have managed only 2 WMC and 1 WDC. Look back - when VW came in - instant and dominant success, Toyota - same story, even M-Sport pulled of 2 WDC and 1 WMC during Ogier's stint. Might be smth with Korean Corporate Culture or smth. Therefore, possibly they will pull it still together, but only on ecpense of Toyota failure. Plus, seema that Neuville has chilled off a bit after the long fought title.

[Eli]

Well, I think nobody really believs to Hyundai any more. Obviously, they built their operations and rally program on cracking/floating foundament. There is a reason why in 12 or so years they have managed only 2 WMC and 1 WDC. Look back - when VW came in - instant and dominant success, Toyota - same story, even M-Sport pulled of 2 WDC and 1 WMC during Ogier's stint. Might be smth with Korean Corporate Culture or smth. Therefore, possibly they will pull it still together, but only on ecpense of Toyota failure. Plus, seema that Neuville has chilled off a bit after the long fought title.
Exactly, we lost faith in them & like you said, 12 years and only 3 of those they managed to get it, and less we forget, VW haven’t been in the championship since 2017 and Citroën didn’t mount any challenge in their last 6 years.

[deephouse]

We lost hope because they said they will stop develop car from march onwards. So that's clear clue they don't care about it too much anymore. They will drive till the end and what happens, happens.

[106 sport]

And Seb is sitting at home thinking "I'm second after two rounds and I've missed one. I can win this championship. I wonder which extra rounds I should do"

We expect to see him in Gran Canaria. Fingers crossed.

[106 sport]

Exactly, it’s only February and just two rounds so far.

The Sweden result could have been different if Tänak not having the issues on Saturday and he would have won or Thierry had and there wouldn’t be this talk at all here.

I’m not sure Canarias suiting only Evans and Ogier. Thierry is always good on tarmac and Tänak was very good on two last pure tarmac events last year.

Anyway, too soon to make all the conclusions at the moment.

I agree with you. We must not forget Fourmaux won in Gran Canaria, in 2020 (ERC)
That same year Munster and McErlean were also in Gran Canaria...

[fantastic.priit]

Tänak takes the titel. There is no questions. He is just in casual Estonian winter sleeping mode. Like bear in winter. Sleeping. And name Ott is in Estonia casual bear name.In march when the sun rises and the waters get flowing in the river. Ott wakes up and start to win. Mark my words. Then no worries! When the bear Ott is waking up. Then the foxes and rabbits are done!
Wish you a good day and lets go!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

To be fair, Toyota gave them a great chance to win in 2024 and Hyundai blew it with putting Mikkelsen on tarmac and Tanak's crashes. Only a great season by Neuville kept them close.

Toyota wont be so generous again with as many Ogier and Rovanpera mistakes, so Hyundai are really up against it anyway.

[denkimi]

Look back - when VW came in - instant and dominant success, Toyota - same story, even M-Sport pulled of 2 WDC and 1 WMC during Ogier's stint.
When VW came in, Loeb retired en ogier was starting his prime. Without Ogier, there would have been no VW dominance, just like there was no Citroen dominance without Loeb.

[tbazsi95]

WRC fuel supplier goes bankrupt.
https://rallyjournal.com/source-wrc-fuel-supplier-goes-bankrupt/

[WRCStan]

WRC fuel supplier goes bankrupt.
https://rallyjournal.com/source-wrc-fuel-supplier-goes-bankrupt/

"By April’s WRC round in the Canary Islands, Aramco is expected to be the new fuel supplier."

I'm sure that'll go down well with some fans

[Co-driven]

Interesting that there was no official communication from FIA neither any new tender process started.

[PLuto]

Interesting that there was no official communication from FIA neither any new tender process started.

That is not true. Tender is normally in process.

https://i.imgur.com/YjbiQiul.png

[106 sport]

"By April’s WRC round in the Canary Islands, Aramco is expected to be the new fuel supplier."

I'm sure that'll go down well with some fans

You are sure that, Why?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC "in talks" for a 3-year deal in Scotland...

https://x.com/RallyingUK/status/1898044518139576541

Original source:
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/aberdeen-aberdeenshire/6706443/wrc-aberdeen/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC Rally GB revival in Scotland makes “fantastic progress”...

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/wrc-rally-gb-revival-in-scotland-makes-fantastic-progress/10702285/

[bearclaw]

WRC Rally GB revival in Scotland makes “fantastic progress”...

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/wrc-rally-gb-revival-in-scotland-makes-fantastic-progress/10702285/

sounds good.

here is my fantasy wrc rally scotland

https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?31525-Rally-Discussion-and-Bar-Talk-Thread&p=1360239&viewfull=1#post1360239

[FAlonso]

If this is true we are in for some interesting few weeks. And not in a good way.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1AFB7iM6NJ/

[tbazsi95]

According to some tweets and story, Hyundai will leave the WRC. Waiting for the official...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The main source in Belgium:

https://www.autotrends.be/fr/actualit%C3%A9/rallye/Lavenir-du-rallye-mondial-a-moyen-terme-doit-passer-par-le-Rally2-pour-deux-des-trois-constructeurs-encore-engages-en-WRC

[skarderud]

With Hyundai leaving, hopefully some private effort left with Neuville, its time to end the manufacturers impact on the WRC.
Who are they trying to decive? It has to be opened for private teams, running a wrc2+ and go for a european based championship.
Sorry to brake the news, but the manufacturers is clearly not interested anymore.
Sad day for my favorite motorsport.

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[Eli]

This is even worse than 2019….and it also said Škoda are out…yeah 2027 looks to be the end for this championship.

[denkimi]

If hyundai quits, toyota can win the title on a much lower budget. And thus, lowering costs can attract new manufacturers.

[flat_right]

Although I'm really sad that Hyundai leaves, we have to use this time to make our sport great again. This 2.5 manufacturers championship wasn't good for anyone. I think the healthy amount would be fully committed 4-5 teams.

[denkimi]

Although I'm really sad that Hyundai leaves, we have to use this time to make our sport great again. This 2.5 manufacturers championship wasn't good for anyone. I think the healthy amount would be fully committed 4-5 teams.
Getting rid of the whole homologation process that needs a manufacturerer should be the first step. Let anyone who has the means to build a car, build a car.
Why limit jourself to just a few possible partners when you could have many.

[Rallyper]

Getting rid of the whole homologation process that needs a manufacturerer should be the first step. Let anyone who has the means to build a car, build a car.
Why limit jourself to just a few possible partners when you could have many.

Because the high horses had to be fed with money.

[Managarium]

BIG CHANGES
Next year the cars used in the WRC will be Rally2 and Hyundai will not be there.
These are the rumors coming from Kenya.
But let's go in order, here's what happened:
•The WRC teams had an "emergency" meeting with the FIA ​​to talk about the immediate future and it was decided that starting from 2026 the Rally1 will be abolished and replaced with the current Rally2 (NOT Rally2 plus). This solution would be valid only for one year, that is, while waiting for the new technical regulation to arrive in 2027.
•Hyundai Motorsport will exit the WRC at the end of 2025 but there is still a small possibility that it will remain a private team for 2026. However, to be clear, if there were to be this private team it would have nothing to do with the current WRC team.
In this way, Hyundai Motorsport will be fully focused on the new WEC project.
All this information is rumor, it has not been confirmed but obviously it comes to us from sources that we consider very reliable.

https://www.facebook.com/wrctvitaly

[Rallyper]

What´s the difference in marketing between WEC and WRC? Isn´t WEC a sleeping thing, no one care much about, or am I completely wrong?

[tbazsi95]

Currently WEC has 8 manufacturers (Alpine, Aston Martin, BMW, Cadillac, Peugeot, Porsche, Ferrari, Toyota), 18 car in this year in the Hypercar category. WEC has a great rules now, because you can use the Hypercar and LMHd cars too. Ford is coming, Mercedes and McLaren "planing" to join. You cannot compare to the WRC sadly.

I was in Le Mans last year and it was a lifetime experience. If you can, visit any WEC round, highly suggested Le Mans.

[deephouse]

To me it sounds like that at the end that bloke Richards or what he is called will get his way... having Rally2 cars top category. Even if not liked by no one. But yes, they try stupid rules, no one likes it, they try other way, Hyundai leave no matter what, FIA not having no other option than to cancel all plans and destroy well accepted Rally2 formula in the national field. Well done to FIA, all key people for all decisions being on time, and of course Cyril to drive the crucial team out of the sport.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Why not see if Ford would come back to fully-funding the M-Sport team for one year (2026) and have a battle with Toyota ?

Or the FIA / Promoter could subsidise M-Sport with some cash for top drivers, if Toyota agree.

This would give us another season of Rally 1 Cars in WRC, even if just with 2 Manufacturers. It happened before when there was just Citroen and Ford...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville says the stories are unfounded...

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/neuville-claims-hyundais-wrc-future-is-still-undecided-despite-speculation/10704952/

[COD]

What´s the difference in marketing between WEC and WRC? Isn´t WEC a sleeping thing, no one care much about, or am I completely wrong?

Boring to watch on TV, but the appeal seems to be easy to bring customers etc to event, shampagne and good foor

[Tauri_J]

Why not see if Ford would come back to fully-funding the M-Sport team for one year (2026) and have a battle with Toyota ?



Stop with the pipe dream nonsense. One day its Ford coming back, then its Subaru, Lancia, Skoda, Opel etc. Why would any new manufacturer join this series?? Its a black hole of a series which sucks all the money in and doesnt give anything back.

[AndyRAC]

Boring to watch on TV, but the appeal seems to be easy to bring customers etc to event, shampagne and good foor

Boring? You don't watch it then? Or you simply can't grasp the whole point of Endurance racing...........At least it hasn't 'dumbed down' to gain more fans like the WRC has done in the last 15-20 years. And is no better off.....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Stop with the pipe dream nonsense. One day its Ford coming back, then its Subaru, Lancia, Skoda, Opel etc. Why would any new manufacturer join this series?? Its a black hole of a series which sucks all the money in and doesnt give anything back.

Theres more chance of Ford coming back full-time for a year than the other Manufacturers you mentioned joining... now that is a dream.

[Andre Oliveira]

Malcolm will get another magic moment and hire Neuville :)

[macebig]

Yeah, Hyundai is as good as gone. Give 2 years to the Rally 2s, imo. And open up the championship. No set teams, no nominations,nothing. Top 2 drivers of any manufacturer score points. That will instantly bring Skoda and Citroen back, allow Hyundai to maintain presence and let Toyota and Ford continue their involvement.

[wyler]

Yeah, Hyundai is as good as gone. Give 2 years to the Rally 2s, imo. And open up the championship. No set teams, no nominations,nothing. Top 2 drivers of any manufacturer score points. That will instantly bring Skoda and Citroen back, allow Hyundai to maintain presence and let Toyota and Ford continue their involvement.

and be a double of erc, with the same results in term of roi. Manufacturers will not invest money in it; they will just sell cars around.

[macebig]

There are no manufacturers left,icymi. Even Toyota only continues because of Akio Toyoda's will. The rest of the board is against the WRC program.

[saco0o]

hmmmm weird.
oh, btw... when does redbull gmbh contract with FIA/WRC ends? they are selling the wrc promoter but isnt kinda obvious that the other interested promoters would just wait until the contract is gone to sign up for a cheaper price?

[Eli]

Remember there were talks P1 fuels are going bankrupt & that Aramco would come instead starting next month? Well...guess what? Total Energies (what used to be Total up until 2021) will be the new fuel suppliers going forward: https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/fia-appoints-new-wrc-fuel-supplier-for-2025/10705741/...Call me optimistic but maybe having a french fuel supplier might fuel (sorry, pun intended) a french manufacturer down the line...(?)

[deephouse]

Citroen could come back, now they will not have excuse of not having any driver to choose from.

[M3 Jambo]

There are no manufacturers left,icymi. Even Toyota only continues because of Akio Toyoda's will. The rest of the board is against the WRC program.

Intersting POV, are you on the Toyota board or friends with senior management?

[PLuto]

But you all who loves coming Rally2 cars are forgotting one thing. Most of the Rally2 programmes are customer based. And more important thing - this three current Rally1 manufactures are bringing huge money, from which WRC Promoter and FIA are living. If they will loose manufacturers, they will loose their money. I am not sure if championship can survive without money from manufacturers...

[rallyfiend]

But you all who loves coming Rally2 cars are forgotting one thing. Most of the Rally2 programmes are customer based. And more important thing - this three current Rally1 manufactures are bringing huge money, from which WRC Promoter and FIA are living. If they will loose manufacturers, they will loose their money. I am not sure if championship can survive without money from manufacturers...

Are you sure?

Most in the service park understand that WRC Promoter provides significant money to the Manuf teams to pay for their logistics etc.

Just like they do even in WRC2 - lots of WRC2 teams allegedly 6-figure payments from WRC Promoter when they attend the events outside of Europe (if they do multiple).....

[saco0o]

Are you sure?

Most in the service park understand that WRC Promoter provides significant money to the Manuf teams to pay for their logistics etc.

Just like they do even in WRC2 - lots of WRC2 teams allegedly 6-figure payments from WRC Promoter when they attend the events outside of Europe (if they do multiple).....

wait, what? no, wait. manufacturers DO PAY a shit ton of money to compete, like pluto said. maybe the money to traveling comes from those fees? cuz the promoter's only focus is to make a buck $ out of the sport they are promoting. they invested some $ when they enterede the championship in order to grow it and attract sponsors and manufacturers, sure. but then they want their "RoI". i dont know how stuff work but it would be weird if redbull gmbh was paying more than taking. pointless i'd argue, tbf. no?

Edit: typo

[Steve Boyd]

2025 FIA WORLD RALLY CHAMPIONSHIP SPORTING REGULATIONS states:
5.2 PARTICIPATION – MANUFACTURER
A Manufacturer:
5.2.1 undertakes to take part in all the rallies of the championship with a minimum of two (2) world rally cars complying with the 2025 Appendix J, Article 262.
…
5.2.4 must pay the registration fee of €413 560plus the entry fee for each event of €56 100 for a three car team or €46 600 for a two car team.


5.3 PARTICIPATION – WRC TEAM
A WRC Team;
5.3.1 Undertakes to take part in a minimum of 7 nominated rallies including one outside Europe with up to two World Rally Cars of the homologation number 400/01 WRC or Ra1-22/XX.
…
5.3.4 Must pay a registration fee of €28 439 in order to score points irrespective of the number of rallies enteredplus the entry fee of €9 400 per car for each event.

[saco0o]

that anual "sustainability index" for racing championships is out!
ERC is on the top5 most "sustainable" championships out there... WRC got p7
i tried reading the thing but ahhh, its so much b.s.
that FIM e-xplorer thing with e-bikes only and like, 3 races. the tracks were basically "race around that hotel, whatever", the "public" were some fellas that were on vacation at those places and happened to watch the races. like. THIS IS LITERALLY the "greenest championship" out there. some of the teams were even sharing the bike's transportation (less CO2). nope. they are around position 60 or so, WAYYYYY behinda NASCAR in p8 (???? with +100 v8 petrol cars traveling on long hauls the whole year) this is all non sense.
WRC (and WorldRX ...and EuroRX?) scored better than last year because the "wrc promoter" did some stuff like... something... something green, i guess? anyway. other than that, heres the link to download

https://www.sustainablemotorsportindex.com/schi-2025-download

top3: formula-e, F1, motoGP

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The bottom line is that the WRC is up shit creek if Hyundai pull out at the end of this Season, both financially and competitively. The Championship just isn't sustainable (nothing to do with being green !) in any way.

[skarderud]

I fell the wrc is like the wrx, no one is interested of the manufacturers.
The wrx was best in the 80s and 90s, when it was a privateer european championship.
Maybe its time to go back for wrc?
Of course it would be a total different thing.
The most important thing is to get rid of the manufacturers homologate stuff, what is the point of that consept now?

If the next rally1 is a Rally2, a Rally2+ or a safetycell based car with rally2 parts and some aerodynamic build by competent builders i don't know, but for me was the Gr.A and early WRC the best championship sporting point of wiew, that should be the main goal for FIA. But i have low expectations, sadly enough.

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[WRCStan]

I fell the wrc is like the wrx, no one is interested of the manufacturers.
The wrx was best in the 80s and 90s, when it was a privateer european championship.
Maybe its time to go back for wrc?
Of course it would be a total different thing.
The most important thing is to get rid of the manufacturers homologate stuff, what is the point of that consept now?

If the next rally1 is a Rally2, a Rally2+ or a safetycell based car with rally2 parts and some aerodynamic build by competent builders i don't know, but for me was the Gr.A and early WRC the best championship sporting point of wiew, that should be the main goal for FIA. But i have low expectations, sadly enough.

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There's two sides to homologation, one being the mass production numbers. If you didn't have that, how and where would you draw the line if the motorsport industry turns up with a road legal cross cart (buggy)? Or even a sofa (https://youtu.be/aWfCczHfYSQ?t=454), to drill the point? Would you be expecting the industry to build something in the image of a touring car, even though it will never really be one, and with a design that will never be sent to production because that isn't the 'constructor's' business? The FIA would not stand to have a manufacturer's design being modified without the approval and involvement of that manufacturer.

And don't forget that rallying is a touring road sport. Rallycross is circuit racing.

[CeskyOndra]

The bottom line is that the WRC is up shit creek if Hyundai pull out at the end of this Season, both financially and competitively. The Championship just isn't sustainable (nothing to do with being green !) in any way.

Someone else noticed Cyril saying in after PS interview something like "Podium is good, but we have to comeback next year and finally win it"?

[flat_right]

Someone else noticed Cyril saying in after PS interview something like "Podium is good, but we have to comeback next year and finally win it"?

Didn't watch it that far during the broadcast but you are correct, he did say that they need to come back again.

[rallyfiend]

2025 FIA WORLD RALLY CHAMPIONSHIP SPORTING REGULATIONS states:plus the entry fee for each event of €56 100 for a three car team or €46 600 for a two car team.

plus the entry fee of €9 400 per car for each event.

If you check the Supplementary Rergulations of each event, you'll see that many (half?) of the events charge no entry fee to various WRC category under the terms of their contract with WRC Promoter...

[denkimi]

There's two sides to homologation, one being the mass production numbers. If you didn't have that, how and where would you draw the line if the motorsport industry turns up with a road legal cross cart (buggy)? Or even a sofa (https://youtu.be/aWfCczHfYSQ?t=454), to drill the point? Would you be expecting the industry to build something in the image of a touring car, even though it will never really be one, and with a design that will never be sent to production because that isn't the 'constructor's' business? The FIA would not stand to have a manufacturer's design being modified without the approval and involvement of that manufacturer.

And don't forget that rallying is a touring road sport. Rallycross is circuit racing.
Why are there no cross carts or sofa's in f1?

Just make a good set or rules about what is allowed and let everyone who has the means to build a car do that.

[TypeR]

Evand and Neuville both race in ERC 1st round in Spain - Rally Sierra Morena

[106 sport]

Evand and Neuville both race in ERC 1st round in Spain - Rally Sierra Morena

"The event will provide the title contenders with a chance to directly compare pace. However, the main objective of the test event is to fine-tune Rally1 car setups ahead of the next WRC round, which will be held on the tarmac roads of Gran Canaria at the end of April"
https://rallyjournal.com/toyotas-answer-to-hyundai-title-rivals-to-face-off-ahead-of-next-wrc-round/

[WRCStan]

Why are there no cross carts or sofa's in f1?

Just make a good set or rules about what is allowed and let everyone who has the means to build a car do that.

That was the question; what are the rules if you'd like a good set that deviates from the heritage of rally and the need for manufacturers and homologation? Would you want or not want cross carts, sofas or whatever else can be made in a shed?

[skarderud]

Quite far-fetched to think rally going to be running sofas if we stop the need for manufacturers homologation.

How can a safety cell based car with Rally2 technology end up as a sofa?

Every tuner buy that cell, engine, geometry etc is "free", no expensive materials, need a brand in front maybe, some extra aerodynamics, voila you have the new Rally1car. The cell has a worldwide certification so you can use it on normal roads as an purposebuild rallycar.

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[WRCStan]

Quite far-fetched to think rally going to be running sofas if we stop the need for manufacturers homologation.

How can a safety cell based car with Rally2 technology end up as a sofa?

Every tuner buy that cell, engine, geometry etc is "free", no expensive materials, need a brand in front maybe, some extra aerodynamics, voila you have the new Rally1car. The cell has a worldwide certification so you can use it on normal roads as an purposebuild rallycar.

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I'm not sure to what extent you mean "Rally2 technology" beyond power train; but if you want either a production touring car chassis or a "brand upfront" (ie current Rally1 lookalikes); you should still expect manufacturers and a homologation process, no?

A safety cell is not a chassis, so everything you've described so far could still be a buggy - no body panels, no windscreen etc, maybe something like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86VIaRy535g). If that's what you propose, fine, I'm just trying to understand your POV.

[skarderud]

No, it has to look like a car, of course.
Maybe safety cell is the wrong word, but a chassis like todays rally1 cars, standard piece from a producer of choice from FIA, with a approval for use on road as a car for competition use.

Rally2 engine, gearbox, diffs, dampers, brakes etc.

Every serious tuner, like M-sport, prodrive, toksport, Weavers, etc can build a car and run a team, free of choise what kind of car, but limited to critical measurements on roof, width, length, windscreen, spoilers etc.
A way to build a car that is affordable for tuners, importers and teams.

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[saco0o]

No, it has to look like a car, of course.
Maybe safety cell is the wrong word, but a chassis like todays rally1 cars, standard piece from a producer of choice from FIA, with a approval for use on road as a car for competition use.

Rally2 engine, gearbox, diffs, dampers, brakes etc.

Every serious tuner, like M-sport, prodrive, toksport, Weavers, etc can build a car and run a team, free of choise what kind of car, but limited to critical measurements on roof, width, length, windscreen, spoilers etc.
A way to build a car that is affordable for tuners, importers and teams.

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you mean like, these teams being able to choose ANY brand they want (like, I want to Run a 80's LADA) or you are talking about a "generic" car not related to any brand?
like this hatchback https://omse.se/vehicles/fc2
or this SUV https://omse.se/vehicles/fc1

[WRCStan]

No, it has to look like a car, of course.

This is where I could say that a buggy, or that sofa, is a car, but I think I get your point. The main point...


you mean like, these teams being able to choose ANY brand they want (like, I want to Run a 80's LADA) or you are talking about a "generic" car not related to any brand?
like this hatchback https://omse.se/vehicles/fc2
or this SUV https://omse.se/vehicles/fc1

I can't ever see the FIA allowing modifying cars of a brand, imitating a brand's car, or using a brand on an independent car design, without that manufacturer being involved. What you linked to here would be a lot more likely. Although, it would have to be zero manufacturers involved for the private tuner bespoke designs to be allowed in 2027. They're keeping options open now but business would get in the way of competition, as it always has.

[Steve Boyd]

No, it has to look like a car, of course.
Maybe safety cell is the wrong word, but a chassis like todays rally1 cars, standard piece from a producer of choice from FIA, with a approval for use on road as a car for competition use.

Rally2 engine, gearbox, diffs, dampers, brakes etc.

Every serious tuner, like M-sport, prodrive, toksport, Weavers, etc can build a car and run a team, free of choise what kind of car, but limited to critical measurements on roof, width, length, windscreen, spoilers etc.
A way to build a car that is affordable for tuners, importers and teams.

Sent fra min SM-S901B via TapatalkDidn't they try something very like this with the Oreca R4 Kit?

[denkimi]

Some people are thinking way too hard. Just think of the rules as if it were rallycross or dakar. It has to slightly resemble a streetcar, but there doesn't have to be a brand.

[WRCStan]

Well, there are side-by-sides, buggies, trucks and bikes besides the production and prototype cars in Dakar... and Rallycross doesn't have to worry about being road legal and is dying at world level. It's essentially the same sport as autocross with a joker lap and some tarmac; autocross is a growing sport and has cross carts as the promoted option for hitting the costs right.

This discussion is the identity of the rally sport under threat and question. The consequences of a rule change or not doing anything are huge.

[saco0o]

car brands are producing more suvs and thats a fact... so they gotta move into that direction. power train will have to allow simple ICE on renewable fuel otherwise rallying is dead. then its a matter of having, idk, skoda and msport building rally2 inside bigger models... and hoping for more brands (because homologation) and builders to start partnerships focusing on rally. i dont think its an impossible thing. skoda, msport will probably be there. maybe going after stellantis to choose a brand and find a race partner (prodrive?). idk, at least for the whole rally2 program, so we can keep slowly updating this fórmula in more countries/national chanpionships.

[WRCStan]

A point missed for those interested is that engines have to come from production runs whether for Rally1 or 2, thus still a homologation step.

[becher]

Rally2 engine, gearbox, diffs, dampers, brakes etc.

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So current Rally1 with a production based engine and a provision in the rules that allows manufacturer independent cars?

[saco0o]

https://youtu.be/4BQVtJB6Iug?feature=shared
these fellas were rallying SUVs 12 years ago haha we are always late with wrc eh?
(skip to 3:43 or so, when they start to push a little.) boy, i find SUVs so ugly haha these old ones are better for the eye tho

[TypeR]

Robert Reid has quit his role as FIA Deputy President for Sport, effective immediately ❌

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/reid-resigns-as-fia-deputy-president/

Actually not surprised.

Having different opinion about things and trying to improve smth aand
abracadabra sim-sala-ben.. bye.

[240RS]

Robert Reid has quit his role as FIA Deputy President for Sport, effective immediately ❌

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/reid-resigns-as-fia-deputy-president/

Actually not surprised.

Having different opinion about things and trying to improve smth aand
abracadabra sim-sala-ben.. bye.

This has to be a big hit for the FIA President.

Confidence is a major asset. Inspiring confidence, that is. Without it, even the best intentions can ebb away and be consigned to a garbage heap.

[EstWRC]

Finally a guy who has the balls to say something

[saco0o]

“When I took on this role, it was to serve the FIA’s members, not to serve power"

excellent comment by him. but theres no turning back now.
and the new fia president will probably be either as shitty as MBS ...or as shitty as MBS but more discreet. (idk which is worst)